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(Telegraph) Interesting "The failure of the Occupy Wall Street movement and its descent into Lord of the Flies-style chaos, and in many instances thuggery and criminality, is emblematic of the dramatic decline of the Left in the United States"   (blogs.telegraph.co.uk) divider line 268
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2011-12-06 09:14:55 AM
Not gonna click. Guessing.... Andrew Sullivan?
 
2011-12-06 09:15:27 AM
Damn! It must be the new Die Hard spinoff, 'TROLL HARD'.
 
2011-12-06 09:16:50 AM
Online, a wealth of conservative news and blog sites including National Review Online, The Weekly Standard.com, Andrew Breitbart's Big Government, Townhall.com, Commentary, and most recently ConservativeHome USA have successfully broken the stranglehold of the liberal mainstream media.

Tells me all I need to know about this article.
 
2011-12-06 09:16:53 AM
What Lord of the Flies-style chaos.
 
2011-12-06 09:17:12 AM
Alphax: Damn! It must be the new Die Hard spinoff, 'TROLL HARD'.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk

Yup.
 
2011-12-06 09:17:15 AM
I don't know, Nile, have you seen the GOP candidates? The primaries are going to ruin the Republican party, the "Left" is doing fine.
 
2011-12-06 09:17:19 AM
coeyagi: Not gonna click. Guessing.... Andrew Sullivan?

Nile Gardiner is Director of The Heritage Foundation's Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom.

Do people who give things names like "Center for Freedom" realize how Orwellian that sounds? Reading that would only waste precious seconds.
 
2011-12-06 09:17:27 AM
That stuff that never happened sure is emblematic of the decline of the left in the US.
 
2011-12-06 09:17:30 AM
And the infighting in the GOP Congress as they slowly absorb and convert the Teatards into Standard Issue Republicans is the same on the Right.
 
2011-12-06 09:18:01 AM
coeyagi: Not gonna click. Guessing.... Andrew Sullivan?

No, but he is quite past white and a little chubby.
 
2011-12-06 09:19:04 AM
Cool narrative, bro.
 
2011-12-06 09:19:11 AM
Jake Havechek: I don't know, Nile, have you seen the GOP candidates? The primaries are going to ruin the Republican party, the "Left" is doing fine.

The "Left" has been dead since at least 1980. The center-right is doing fine.
 
2011-12-06 09:19:45 AM
THUGGERY. What a grand dog whistle that is. Union thuggery. ACORN thuggery. Black Panther thuggery.
 
2011-12-06 09:20:02 AM
I'm fascinated. Tell me more.
 
2011-12-06 09:20:57 AM
Black Friday shoppers committed more acts of violence in one day than the entire OWS movement has in months.
 
2011-12-06 09:22:03 AM
thurstonxhowell: Nile Gardiner is Director of The Heritage Foundation's Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom

Wow. There are 32 kinds of red alert "conservative douchebag" signals in that name.

.
 
2011-12-06 09:22:22 AM
"'Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!'"
 
2011-12-06 09:22:23 AM
woofie1.pixiq.com

What "Lord of the Flies" style chaos may look like

i.huffpost.com
Go be American somewhere else!



/First Amendment, anyone?
 
2011-12-06 09:22:27 AM
Aarontology: Black Friday shoppers committed more acts of violence in one day than the entire OWS movement has in months.

Yeah, but that was in the name of consumerism, so it's ok. OWS is about tax reform and banking regulations, aka satanism and pederasty.
 
2011-12-06 09:22:34 AM
After an historic mid-term election victory

is that bad grammar or just the queen's english?
 
2011-12-06 09:23:05 AM
blogs.telegraph.co.uk
Overdramatic much, you little concern troll?
 
2011-12-06 09:23:21 AM
Aarontology: Black Friday shoppers committed more acts of violence in one day than the entire OWS movement has in months.

Yeah, but they bought stuff, so their tents are Freedom Tents, while the OWS tents are Communist Training Camps.
 
2011-12-06 09:23:31 AM
Aarontology: Black Friday shoppers committed more acts of violence in one day than the entire OWS movement has in months.

Which says something sad about our society as a whole. Or maybe just Black Friday Walmart shoppers as a whole.
 
2011-12-06 09:23:59 AM
Headso: After an historic mid-term election victory

is that bad grammar or just the queen's english?


queen's english
 
2011-12-06 09:24:05 AM
Since when did the OWS movement encompass, symbolize, represent, or otherwise typify the entire left? I'm very liberal, in fact if I lived in Europe, I'd probably be considered a socialist. I don't feel the OWS spoke for me, or represented me. While I felt there were many legitimiate gripes to be had concerning Wall St., the way most of these people have gone about protesting it is not IMO, going to get anyone's attention save the police. Which they've found out.

So keep your broad-based, broad brush opinions to thineself.
 
2011-12-06 09:25:42 AM
Headso: After an historic mid-term election victory

is that bad grammar or just the queen's english?


Discrimination between a and an

The choice of "a" or "an" is determined by phonetic rules rather than by spelling convention. "An" is employed in speech to remove the awkward glottal stop (momentary silent pause) that is otherwise required between "a" and a following word. For example, "an X-ray" is less awkward to pronounce than "a X-ray," which has a glottal stop between "a" and "X-ray". The following paragraphs are spelling rules for "an" that can be used if the phonetic rule is not understood.

The form "an" is always prescribed before words beginning with a silent h, such as "honorable", "heir", "hour", and, in American English, "herb".[9] Some British dialects (for example, Cockney) silence all initial h's (h-dropping) and so employ "an" all the time: e.g., "an 'elmet". The article "an" is sometimes seen in such phrases as "an historic", "an heroic" and "an hotel of excellence" in both British and American usage, although usually violating the phonetic rule in such cases.[9] Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage allows "both a and an are used in writing a historic an historic".[10]
 
2011-12-06 09:25:52 AM
So the take-away from that seems to be:

1) Author doesn't like liberals.

2) Right-wing media is a dominant force in America.

3) Markets FTW!

What value has been added?
 
2011-12-06 09:25:59 AM
what_now: Yeah, but that was in the name of consumerism, so it's ok. OWS is about tax reform and banking regulations, aka satanism and pederasty.

Yep. Violence in the name of greed is noble.

Demetrius: Which says something sad about our society as a whole. Or maybe just Black Friday Walmart shoppers as a whole.

Oh yeah. I forgot about how they occupied mall parking lots, too. While ignoring their families.

Demetrius: Which says something sad about our society as a whole. Or maybe just Black Friday Walmart shoppers as a whole.

Walmart is one of the keywords there. But goddammit, if I have to mace a biatch for forty bucks off a tv, then so be it!
 
2011-12-06 09:26:26 AM
Coco LaFemme: Since when did the OWS movement encompass, symbolize, represent, or otherwise typify the entire left? I'm very liberal, in fact if I lived in Europe, I'd probably be considered a socialist. I don't feel the OWS spoke for me, or represented me. While I felt there were many legitimiate gripes to be had concerning Wall St., the way most of these people have gone about protesting it is not IMO, going to get anyone's attention save the police. Which they've found out.

So keep your broad-based, broad brush opinions to thineself.


You're right. It got nobody's attention but the police. That's why we're talking about wait what are we talking about?
 
2011-12-06 09:28:53 AM
coeyagi: Headso: After an historic mid-term election victory

is that bad grammar or just the queen's english?

Discrimination between a and an

The choice of "a" or "an" is determined by phonetic rules rather than by spelling convention. "An" is employed in speech to remove the awkward glottal stop (momentary silent pause) that is otherwise required between "a" and a following word. For example, "an X-ray" is less awkward to pronounce than "a X-ray," which has a glottal stop between "a" and "X-ray". The following paragraphs are spelling rules for "an" that can be used if the phonetic rule is not understood.

The form "an" is always prescribed before words beginning with a silent h, such as "honorable", "heir", "hour", and, in American English, "herb".[9] Some British dialects (for example, Cockney) silence all initial h's (h-dropping) and so employ "an" all the time: e.g., "an 'elmet". The article "an" is sometimes seen in such phrases as "an historic", "an heroic" and "an hotel of excellence" in both British and American usage, although usually violating the phonetic rule in such cases.[9] Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage allows "both a and an are used in writing a historic an historic".[10]


Reminds me of the Monty Python "fish license" sketch where John Cleese is talking about "an halibut." Always cracks me up.
 
2011-12-06 09:29:09 AM
OWS as a movement doesnt equal isolated acts by people who happen to be at an OWS site. Typical right wing stuff, ignore the big message, isolate the actions of a few.

I swear, if these punks (the torygraph / breitbart, not OWS) were around 240 years ago, they'd be cheering the british soldiers shooting civilians in Boston.
 
2011-12-06 09:29:22 AM
www.sabinabecker.com
 
2011-12-06 09:31:51 AM
Generation_D: OWS as a movement doesnt equal isolated acts by people who happen to be at an OWS site. Typical right wing stuff, ignore the big message, isolate the actions of a few.

I swear, if these punks (the torygraph / breitbart, not OWS) were around 240 years ago, they'd be cheering the british soldiers shooting civilians in Boston.


Guess we know who the Loyalists were. Well, what type of personality at least, only Newt has been around that long.
 
2011-12-06 09:32:10 AM
CPennypacker: Coco LaFemme: Since when did the OWS movement encompass, symbolize, represent, or otherwise typify the entire left? I'm very liberal, in fact if I lived in Europe, I'd probably be considered a socialist. I don't feel the OWS spoke for me, or represented me. While I felt there were many legitimiate gripes to be had concerning Wall St., the way most of these people have gone about protesting it is not IMO, going to get anyone's attention save the police. Which they've found out.

So keep your broad-based, broad brush opinions to thineself.

You're right. It got nobody's attention but the police. That's why we're talking about wait what are we talking about?


How concerned we all are?
 
2011-12-06 09:32:34 AM
Aarontology: Black Friday shoppers committed more acts of violence in one day than the entire OWS movement has in months.

But OWSers - ALL of them - SHAT on CARS! And they're running around RAPING EVERYTHING IN SIGHT! This is absolute PROOF that ALL LIBERALS are SUBHUMAN ANIMALS!
 
2011-12-06 09:33:01 AM
blogs.telegraph.co.uk

I sniff policemens' gloves.



// tip of the hat to Diogenes
 
2011-12-06 09:33:26 AM
excessive public spending and heavy borrowing have fueled the biggest budget deficit since World War Two, pushing the United States onto an economic precipice.

Curious if this guy is like the typical teabagger who didn't care about spending until 2009.
 
2011-12-06 09:34:57 AM
Pants full of macaroni!!: Aarontology: Black Friday shoppers committed more acts of violence in one day than the entire OWS movement has in months.

But OWSers - ALL of them - SHAT on CARS! And they're running around RAPING EVERYTHING IN SIGHT! This is absolute PROOF that ALL LIBERALS are SUBHUMAN ANIMALS!


Aww, sweet nostalgia. I remember when winterwhile used to come in here every day in October and talk about OWS poop / cop car interactions like it was truly the end of the world. Sweet memories.
 
2011-12-06 09:35:15 AM
The idea is to tell people what you want, instead of incessantly biatching about what you do not want.
 
2011-12-06 09:35:19 AM
CPennypacker: Coco LaFemme: Since when did the OWS movement encompass, symbolize, represent, or otherwise typify the entire left? I'm very liberal, in fact if I lived in Europe, I'd probably be considered a socialist. I don't feel the OWS spoke for me, or represented me. While I felt there were many legitimiate gripes to be had concerning Wall St., the way most of these people have gone about protesting it is not IMO, going to get anyone's attention save the police. Which they've found out.

So keep your broad-based, broad brush opinions to thineself.

You're right. It got nobody's attention but the police. That's why we're talking about wait what are we talking about?


We're not talking about how Wall St. has suddenly realized the error of their ways, and due to the protestations of young people, have decided to completely revamp their entire way of operating, are we? No, we're not. So while many of them had good intentions, they still pave the road to hell.

We're talking about it, but we don't have the ability and/or the capacity to enact the changes that need to be made.
 
2011-12-06 09:35:28 AM
Failure? They changed the conversation in this country in the short term, at least... That's more than Nile Gardiner has done in his whole career as a bobble head.

Where does it go from here? Don't know, but there seem to be a number of individuals already helping to define where the OWS movement goes once all the camps are dismantled.
 
2011-12-06 09:35:37 AM
Headso: excessive public spending and heavy borrowing have fueled the biggest budget deficit since World War Two, pushing the United States onto an economic precipice.

Curious if this guy is like the typical teabagger who didn't care about spending until 1/20/2009 (12:00 pm approx).


FTFY
 
2011-12-06 09:36:07 AM
If the 99% really felt like OWS, OWS would never have been necessary.

Yes, NECESSARY.
 
2011-12-06 09:36:14 AM
atomic-age: How concerned we all are?

My concern has reached rock
 
2011-12-06 09:36:29 AM
It seems any street crime in a city with an OWS encampment has been directly connected by the media with the OWS. Cities are saying this means the camps must be closed and the protesters moved out.

Once the camps are closed and street crime continues will that mean that the cities must be closed and all residents moved out?
 
2011-12-06 09:36:53 AM
Failure? They've been more effective than I could have imagined.
 
2011-12-06 09:37:19 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-06 09:37:21 AM
Shadowknight: coeyagi: Not gonna click. Guessing.... Andrew Sullivan?

No, but he is quite past white and a little chubby.


This is the same guy who took Obama's quote about the "English Embassy" (referring to the crashing of British Embassy in Iran) and spun it into an outright rejection of the US-UK relations (new window).

Yea, he's a lunatic.
 
2011-12-06 09:37:32 AM
blogs.telegraph.co.uk
I'm a cheeky boy - aren't I?
 
2011-12-06 09:37:57 AM
s2s2s2: The idea is to tell people what you want, instead of incessantly biatching about what you do not want.

Kind of like the teabaggers.

"Taxed Enough Already!"

"Get your government hands off my medicare!"

"Reduce the debt!"

Complete cognitive dissonance in a movement is more troubling than a lack of focus and inability to ask for specific change rather than point out faults.
 
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