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2011-12-06 12:42:49 AM  
Either I'm having a stroke or that article makes no sense.
 
2011-12-06 01:24:54 AM  
FTFA: "I hope no children saw it while it was up. I think it's really disturbing."

Paintings and sculptures of a half-naked man with bloody hands and feet nailed to a cross: fine for children to see all the time
Plastic skeleton in a Santa suit 'nailed' to a cross: think of the poor children!
 
2011-12-06 01:39:24 AM  
They should have used one of these.

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2011-12-06 01:40:12 AM  
i.imgur.com

I think I remember seeing this video back in the early 1990's. It won some MTV awards. So like, people are getting back into it or something, man? She should run though the city council meeting yelling "I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn black !"
 
2011-12-06 02:03:10 AM  
And the tower bell chimes
Ding dong it chimes
Santa died
for somebody's sins
but not mine.

/dnrtfa
 
2011-12-06 06:04:16 AM  
Wow, that's a pretty douchetastic move. Sorry you don't believe in anything that would warrant a display, Atheists, but that doesn't mean you need to shait on everyone elses Holiday.
 
2011-12-06 06:31:55 AM  
We all know Santa's a sinner anyway

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2011-12-06 06:32:35 AM  
imgcache.ifans.com

and I'm his friend Jesus
 
2011-12-06 06:39:55 AM  

CanisNoir: Wow, that's a pretty douchetastic move. Sorry you don't believe in anything that would warrant a display, Atheists, but that doesn't mean you need to shait on everyone elses Holiday.


Actually, it kinda does. I'll shiat all over your holiday all I want. And I'll be protected by a pesky little thing you like to forget about whenever anyone in America says something you don't like. The first commandment.
Your God is pretend. Your traditions are stupid. And a skeleton Santa nailed to a cross has just as much to do with spirituality as a stupid nativity scene.
 
2011-12-06 06:40:24 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-06 06:42:21 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-06 06:44:37 AM  
Excerpt from The Pause of Mr. Claus
Words and music by Arlo Guthrie


You must think Santa Clause weird
He has long hair and a beard
Giving his presents for free
Why do police guys mess with peace guys?

Let's get Santa Claus 'cause;
Santa Claus has a red suit
He's a communist
And a beard, and long hair
Must be a pacifist
What's in the pipe that he's smoking?

Mister Claus sneaks in your home at night.
He must be a dope fiend, to put you up tight
Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

©1968,1969 Appleseed Music Inc. (ASCAP)
 
2011-12-06 06:45:51 AM  
In before tinfoil hats. Or does that only apply to evolution?
 
2011-12-06 06:46:11 AM  

CanisNoir: Wow, that's a pretty douchetastic move. Sorry you don't believe in anything that would warrant a display, Atheists, but that doesn't mean you need to shait on everyone elses Holiday.


What does Jesus have to do with shopping and Santa Clause? Xmas is a pagan holiday.

There is no evidence god exists. There is no evidence that the crucifixion and resurrection Jesus happened. No evidence about the Holy Ghost. This is what you believe in. Do you believe in Unicorns, Fairies or Trolls? On godchecker.com they list over 3000 gods. How many of those gods do you believe in? But, you do believe in a talking snake, a man living in a big fish, and a man taking a male and female of 1.8 million different (named) species on a big boat. Your beliefs are not rational. They are delusional. An excerpt from the Encyclopedia of Mental Disorders states: Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief.
 
2011-12-06 06:48:56 AM  
Hey, hey mamacita....donde esta Santa Claus....they guy with the hair on his jaws....
 
2011-12-06 06:49:20 AM  
CanisNoir: Wow, that's a pretty douchetastic move. Sorry you don't believe in anything that would warrant a display, Atheists, but that doesn't mean you need to shait on everyone elses Holiday.

Then, would you care to explain why Christians co-opted the pagan celebrations of the Winter Solstace in the early 1800s as an expy of the birth of Christ, and how according to historical study of religion documents and the bible itsself it's been seen as neigh-impossible for Christ to have been born in December, had he actually existed at all?

Christmas is as Christian as Halloween is Islamic.
 
2011-12-06 06:52:37 AM  
img33.imageshack.us

i call it "the ho of babylon babbylon"
 
2011-12-06 06:54:42 AM  
Why does it cause Christians so much heartburn to be told that they cannot erect their religious displays on public land? Nobody is telling them that they cannot display their religious imagery; they just can't do it there. Go put it up on church property, where it belongs. It does not hurt you to keep our places of governance and our places of worship separate, so why all the fuss?
 
2011-12-06 06:55:58 AM  

TigerStar: There is no evidence god exists. There is no evidence that the crucifixion and resurrection Jesus happened. No evidence about the Holy Ghost.


As someone who prefers to be technically correct, you are wrong. There is plenty of EVIDENCE. Just no PROOF. They aren't even remotely the same thing. For example:

I declare that God exists. Also that the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus happened. Also that the Holy Ghost exists.

There, I just invalidated your claim all by myself. Again, it's evidence, but not proof. Just sayin'. You should really learn what common words such as "evidence" mean if you're going to use them in conversation. Especially if you'd prefer to appear more intelligent than religious people, which is what it seems like you're trying really hard for. Let's get a couple things straight: Religion *is* awful, and it *should* be denigrated. But you have to be intelligent about it. Making absurd and obviously false statements isn't exactly the way to do that, chief.
 
2011-12-06 06:57:02 AM  
I predict that this thread will be about as well reasoned and rational from both "sides" as the lunatic rants in TFA.

/Is it too early for popcorn? Popcorn for breakfast it is!
 
2011-12-06 07:00:43 AM  
Maybe 10 years ago I recall a news story about a guy who put up a crucified Santa in his front yard as a protest against the commercialization of Christmas.

As I recall he got some inquires about starting up a business to manufacture and sell copies.
 
2011-12-06 07:03:44 AM  

FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR: CanisNoir: Wow, that's a pretty douchetastic move. Sorry you don't believe in anything that would warrant a display, Atheists, but that doesn't mean you need to shait on everyone elses Holiday.

Actually, it kinda does. I'll shiat all over your holiday all I want. And I'll be protected by a pesky little thing you like to forget about whenever anyone in America says something you don't like. The first commandment.
Your God is pretend. Your traditions are stupid. And a skeleton Santa nailed to a cross has just as much to do with spirituality as a stupid nativity scene.


Sure, free speech says you CAN. But it doesn't mean you aren't a douche for doing so. Westboro Folks make that same argument douchebag. Lady was an attention whoring ass.

The whole point of being atheist is that these symbols don't matter a damn bit. I get why a Wiccan Jew or Muslim gets pissy over Xmas. They have their own jealous invisible sky being to answer to. But an atheist who makes this an issue is just being an ass.
 
2011-12-06 07:04:32 AM  
Faith and knowledge have two very different definitions and there is plenty of proof of that.

I wouldn't trust a King James dictionary, though.
 
2011-12-06 07:05:40 AM  

TigerStar: Your beliefs are not rational. They are delusional


The universe is nearly infinite, and by your assumed point of view, would likely have existed for billions of years before you were born. It likely came from an infinite regression of inexplicable explosions into existence from causes unknown. You are a finite being who is less than one hundred years old, and the combined "knowledge" of your peers and priors could barely even come close to examining maybe 1/10th of 1,000th of a % of what can even be known about the present, much less the past. Do you really think that you know enough about every cause in every dimension in every moment of time immemorial to assume that your tiny fraction of viewing of four dimensions is even close to enough information to come to such an absolute conclusion with such a complete lack of knowledge?

The only rational point of view is agnosticism; you are worse than a lunatic, you are a highly opinionated asshole know-nothing lunatic that wants to feel superior to people who are no different than you. Not only are you just as irrational, you're a hypocrite to boot.
 
2011-12-06 07:09:00 AM  

wmoonfox: Why does it cause Christians so much heartburn to be told that they cannot erect their religious displays on public land? Nobody is telling them that they cannot display their religious imagery; they just can't do it there. Go put it up on church property, where it belongs. It does not hurt you to keep our places of governance and our places of worship separate, so why all the fuss?


It's the douchebaggery of how it was done. And yes, those who defaced the protest display were equally douche-tastic.
 
2011-12-06 07:09:59 AM  
We really need to bring back the public asylums.
 
2011-12-06 07:10:49 AM  

Digitalstrange: Wiccan Jew


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-12-06 07:11:34 AM  

FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR: Your God is pretend. Your traditions are stupid. And a skeleton Santa nailed to a cross has just as much to do with spirituality as a stupid nativity scene.


\and a whole lotta THIS...
 
2011-12-06 07:11:38 AM  
thespindrifter: The only rational point of view is agnosticism; you are worse than a lunatic, you are a highly opinionated asshole know-nothing lunatic that wants to feel superior to people who are no different than you. Not only are you just as irrational, you're a hypocrite to boot.

Agnosticisim and Atheism are not mutually exclusionary. One can be an agnostic atheist. You can remain skeptical of the existance of God, and hold the belief there is NO GOD based on the evidence at hand. And I hate to point this out, one is only a hypocrite when they go against their own belief system. Since you honestly have no idea of what his ethos and beliefs are, as he ascribes to Atheism by his own confession, which includes multiple schools of philosophy and secular humanism, calling him a hypocrite demonstrates a profound lack of understanding and ignorance of this.

Only a sith deals in Absolutes. - Obi Wan Kenobe

wmoonfox: Why does it cause Christians so much heartburn to be told that they cannot erect their religious displays on public land? Nobody is telling them that they cannot display their religious imagery; they just can't do it there. Go put it up on church property, where it belongs. It does not hurt you to keep our places of governance and our places of worship separate, so why all the fuss?

Because Christians in America hold several important beliefs. The first is that their religion is superior to any other religion on the face of the earth, and the one true religion to rule them all. Why? Because the bible says so, and circular logic is a powerful tool when combined with a profound ignorance of history. The second, and this is key, is that there are "more" Christians than anyone else, and since there are more of them, they don't have to abide by the same rules and laws that everyone else does. The constitution selectively applies to them, after all - which brings us to the third point - the American people have a poor understanding of the United States Constitution, and the way it sets the basic principals of law and governance in the United States.
 
2011-12-06 07:12:35 AM  

thespindrifter: It's the douchebaggery of how it was done. And yes, those who defaced the protest display were equally douche-tastic.


Indeed... but the whole scenario could be avoided by simply dictating no religious displays on public land. Problem farking solved, and the outcome is better for everyone. Why is it such a contentious issue?
 
2011-12-06 07:12:36 AM  

thespindrifter: TigerStar: Your beliefs are not rational. They are delusional

The universe is nearly infinite, and by your assumed point of view, would likely have existed for billions of years before you were born. It likely came from an infinite regression of inexplicable explosions into existence from causes unknown. You are a finite being who is less than one hundred years old, and the combined "knowledge" of your peers and priors could barely even come close to examining maybe 1/10th of 1,000th of a % of what can even be known about the present, much less the past. Do you really think that you know enough about every cause in every dimension in every moment of time immemorial to assume that your tiny fraction of viewing of four dimensions is even close to enough information to come to such an absolute conclusion with such a complete lack of knowledge?

The only rational point of view is agnosticism; you are worse than a lunatic, you are a highly opinionated asshole know-nothing lunatic that wants to feel superior to people who are no different than you. Not only are you just as irrational, you're a hypocrite to boot.




Yes, the Easter Bunny may be a quantum fluctuation. I'm not sure that validates its existence however.
 
2011-12-06 07:14:40 AM  

untaken_name: As someone who prefers to be technically correct,


Best kind of correct, I'm told.

untaken name: you are wrong. There is plenty of EVIDENCE. Just no PROOF. They aren't even remotely the same thing. For example:

I declare that God exists. Also that the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus happened. Also that the Holy Ghost exists.

There, I just invalidated your claim all by myself. Again, it's evidence, but not proof. Just sayin'. You should really learn what common words such as "evidence" mean if you're going to use them in conversation.


Holy fark, you must be in law school because that would get you laughed out of any first year philosophy or science class. What you have there is mere assertion, son.
 
2011-12-06 07:16:29 AM  
The only religious display mentioned was the one put up by the retarded atheist. I don't force my agnostic beliefs on atheists, it would be appreciated if they could keep their demented religious beliefs to themselves too.
 
2011-12-06 07:17:12 AM  

BronyMedic: Christmas is as Christian as Halloween is Islamic.

bluemonkeybutt.com
It's not??
 
2011-12-06 07:20:54 AM  
wmoonfox: thespindrifter: It's the douchebaggery of how it was done. And yes, those who defaced the protest display were equally douche-tastic.

Indeed... but the whole scenario could be avoided by simply dictating no religious displays on public land. Problem farking solved, and the outcome is better for everyone. Why is it such a contentious issue?


Because, persecution complex is a hard thing to ignore. If you want a case and point, look at what's happening in Ellwood, PA. One of the local residents compained to the Freedom From Religion Foundation about a purely religious display at their city hall - a crucifix with Jesus hanging from it - and when the mayor got a letter in the mail complaining about it, he made a public press statement that "busloads of Atheists" were coming to the town to "rip the display apart", and borderline started a riot the next day with over 300 armed people showing up to "welcome" any Atheists from the non-existant invasion. The FFRF facebook page is still getting death and rape threats from people in that area.
 
2011-12-06 07:20:58 AM  
Mine is up:

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2011-12-06 07:21:01 AM  

david_gaithersburg: I don't force my agnostic beliefs on atheists


There's a whole lot of "religious independents" these days that think agnosticism and atheism are two different things. They're not.

There are agnostic and gnostic atheists . . and
There are agnostic and gnostic theists

Agnosticism is not some 'third way' you're making it out to be.
 
2011-12-06 07:21:08 AM  
Hey kids! It's time for the "Atheists and Christians Scream at Each Other" Show!

Yayyyyyyy!

I just want to know...did the reindeer cast lots for Santa's clothes? Did they did a sponge in milk and hold it up to his lips? (I guess a skeleton doesn't have lips.)
 
2011-12-06 07:21:39 AM  

david_gaithersburg: The only religious display mentioned was the one put up by the retarded atheist.


Certainly not the only one mentioned...

TFA: Christmas has become contentious in Loudoun County after the constitutionality of the annual Nativity scene was questioned.

Not only is an annual religious display mentioned, but it's also purported to have caused a lot of grief in the Christian community when somebody pointed out that it may be unlawful, quite possibly prompting this outpouring of douchebaggery. So... ban them all. Problem solved.
 
2011-12-06 07:23:18 AM  

david_gaithersburg: The only religious display mentioned was the one put up by the retarded atheist. I don't force my agnostic beliefs on atheists, it would be appreciated if they could keep their demented religious beliefs to themselves too.


I guess it's time to kick off that argument.

Atheism isn't a religion. It does make a statement about the existence or non-existence of supernatural beings but that statement isn't limited to deities. You may as well state that not believing in faeries is a religion.
 
2011-12-06 07:25:02 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: untaken_name: As someone who prefers to be technically correct,

Best kind of correct, I'm told.

untaken name: you are wrong. There is plenty of EVIDENCE. Just no PROOF. They aren't even remotely the same thing. For example:

I declare that God exists. Also that the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus happened. Also that the Holy Ghost exists.

There, I just invalidated your claim all by myself. Again, it's evidence, but not proof. Just sayin'. You should really learn what common words such as "evidence" mean if you're going to use them in conversation.

Holy fark, you must be in law school because that would get you laughed out of any first year philosophy or science class. What you have there is mere assertion, son.


Hmmm. Evidence. I don't think that word means what you think it means.


ev·i·dence [ev-i-duhns] Show IPA noun, verb, -denced, -denc·ing.
noun
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. Law . data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.


Your declaration of the existence of God, etc., is merely an expression of belief . It does not count as evidence nor invalidate his claim.
 
2011-12-06 07:26:41 AM  

untaken_name: TigerStar: There is no evidence god exists. There is no evidence that the crucifixion and resurrection Jesus happened. No evidence about the Holy Ghost.

As someone who prefers to be technically correct, you are wrong. There is plenty of EVIDENCE. Just no PROOF. They aren't even remotely the same thing. For example:

I declare that God exists. Also that the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus happened. Also that the Holy Ghost exists.

There, I just invalidated your claim all by myself. Again, it's evidence, but not proof. Just sayin'. You should really learn what common words such as "evidence" mean if you're going to use them in conversation. Especially if you'd prefer to appear more intelligent than religious people, which is what it seems like you're trying really hard for. Let's get a couple things straight: Religion *is* awful, and it *should* be denigrated. But you have to be intelligent about it. Making absurd and obviously false statements isn't exactly the way to do that, chief.


If I ever kill someone I hope the jury is filled with foolish people just like you.
 
2011-12-06 07:28:18 AM  

DarnoKonrad: david_gaithersburg: I don't force my agnostic beliefs on atheists

There's a whole lot of "religious independents" these days that think agnosticism and atheism are two different things. They're not.

There are agnostic and gnostic atheists . . and
There are agnostic and gnostic theists

Agnosticism is not some 'third way' you're making it out to be.


=============

Wrong. Atheism is a belief system in which one claims to have special knowledge as to the existence of god. Just like with other religions they proselytize and annoy the fark out of people. Hell, some even have Sunday gatherings and bake sales.

Agnostics do not claim to have any special knowledge (see any difference?), and they could care the fark less what you do or think (see the difference again?).
 
2011-12-06 07:31:30 AM  
david_gaithersburg: DarnoKonrad: david_gaithersburg: I don't force my agnostic beliefs on atheists

There's a whole lot of "religious independents" these days that think agnosticism and atheism are two different things. They're not.

There are agnostic and gnostic atheists . . and
There are agnostic and gnostic theists

Agnosticism is not some 'third way' you're making it out to be.

=============

Wrong. Atheism is a belief system in which one claims to have special knowledge as to the existence of god. Just like with other religions they proselytize and annoy the fark out of people. Hell, some even have Sunday gatherings and bake sales.

Agnostics do not claim to have any special knowledge (see any difference?), and they could care the fark less what you do or think (see the difference again?).


Um. No. Atheism asserts that there is no objective proof of the existance of God, only subjective claims. The encouragement of reasoned thought is not the same as telling someone they're going to burn in eternal damnation if they don't believe in your One True Way (TM). There are no roving bands of Atheists visiting the malls and homes of America, saying "Let me tell you about our lord and savior, Richard Dawkins! He mocked for your sins!"

Agnosticism only states that one is open to the posibility of God's existance, while not purporting to know or believe in which God or Gods are the true creator.
 
2011-12-06 07:31:33 AM  

chaosangel: Hmmm. Evidence. I don't think that word means what you think it means.


Did you even read my post or did you just hit "reply", paste in dictionary dot com, and then repeat what I said?
 
2011-12-06 07:31:40 AM  
thespindrifter    

The only rational point of view is agnosticism; you are worse than a lunatic, you are a highly opinionated asshole know-nothing lunatic that wants to feel superior to people who are no different than you. Not only are you just as irrational, you're a hypocrite to boot.


Despite the vast expanse of the universe and the history of time do you at all hold out for the possibility that there are indivisible pink elephants directly in front of you this very moment? If so, how can you manage to drive down a highway with the possibility of such threats looming? If not, how is that it any way different from dismissing the possibility of the Abrahamic god?

Acknowledging that something cannot be disproving and that there is a finite non-zero probability of something does not take you from the realm of atheist to agnostic. That is just pedantry. An atheist doesn't necessarily say "I know there is know god" an atheist can say "I don't believe in god for the same reason I don't believe in the tooth fairy or the randomly appearing invisible pink elephants."

If you believe that god does not belong in the same category as those things it's up to you to explain why...
 
2011-12-06 07:33:28 AM  

Digitalstrange: I get why a Wiccan Jew or Muslim gets pissy over Xmas. They have their own jealous invisible sky being to answer to.


You should inform yourself better on what other religions believe before you open your mouth. Otherwise, you just look foolish.
 
2011-12-06 07:33:47 AM  
At some point we are going to realize that it's more trouble than it's worth to decorate public buildings for the holidays.
 
2011-12-06 07:34:08 AM  

FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR: And I'll be protected by a pesky little thing you like to forget about whenever anyone in America says something you don't like. The first commandment.


2/10
 
2011-12-06 07:35:07 AM  

BronyMedic: ctive proof of the existance of God, only subjective claims. The encouragement of reasoned thought is not the same as telling someone they're going to burn in eternal damnation if they don't believe in your One True Way (TM). There are no roving bands of Atheists visiting the malls and homes of America, saying "Let me tell you about our lord and savior, Richard Dawkins! He mocked for your sins!"


The saying is true, you can not reason with religious people. Atheist are religious people. Goodbye.
 
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