Believe what you want about voted ID laws, but biatching because you need a birth certificate to get an ID is stupid

FTFA:
"Governor Scott Walker has said there's no reason to worry about the new law because the state has more people with photo ID's than it does registered voters."


WTF??

Also, this is a really simple concept: If you're going to require an ID to vote (which is a good idea), then the IDs need to be free. Otherwise, it's a poll tax, and those are illegal.

Stupid legislators are stupid.

so it'll cost money to vote AND to protest against the government and unions aren't permitted to bargain collectively.

hmm.

I really need to get moving on the federal firearms dealer license. I suspect I could do some business in Wisconsin soon.

Weaver95: so it'll cost money to vote AND to protest against the government and unions aren't permitted to bargain collectively.

hmm.

I really need to get moving on the federal firearms dealer license. I suspect I could do some business in Wisconsin soon.

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Grand_Moff_Joseph: Also, this is a really simple concept: If you're going to require an ID to vote (which is a good idea), then the IDs need to be free. Otherwise, it's a poll tax, and those are illegal.

Stupid legislators are stupid.

They're free in Georgia, if you can't afford one, as part of the Voter ID law. They'll even come to your house and pick you up and drive you over to get one. Do you think that has done anything to stop them from biatching about it and screaming "RACISM!"??

ArkAngel: Believe what you want about voted ID laws, but biatching because you need a birth certificate to get an ID is stupid

I don't have a birth certificate, as far as I know. And even if I do, it's not one that a Wisconsin municipal clerk can read.

hubiestubert: Weaver95: so it'll cost money to vote AND to protest against the government and unions aren't permitted to bargain collectively.

hmm.

I really need to get moving on the federal firearms dealer license. I suspect I could do some business in Wisconsin soon.

BEST DEMOCRACY YOU CAN BUY!

Its like Gov. Walker is daring people to storm his castle and behead hiim in the town square. is he really so arrogant as to believe that the local GOP won't face a massive backlash over his actions?

its enough to make me think there's something wrong with the guy. I mean physically wrong, like he's legitimately brain damaged or something

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Also, this is a really simple concept: If you're going to require an ID to vote (which is a good idea), then the IDs need to be free. Otherwise, it's a poll tax, and those are illegal.

That is a true series of statements that have nothing to do with the article.

ArkAngel: Believe what you want about voted ID laws, but biatching because you need a birth certificate to get an ID is stupid

Do you have a copy of your birth certificate? What if you didn't, where would you go to get one? What if, like the woman in the story, your birth certificate had incorrect information? Is it right to have to pay $200 in order to be able to fulfill one of this country's most fundamental rights, the right to vote?

So when is he recalled?

BravadoGT: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Also, this is a really simple concept: If you're going to require an ID to vote (which is a good idea), then the IDs need to be free. Otherwise, it's a poll tax, and those are illegal.

Stupid legislators are stupid.

They're free in Georgia, if you can't afford one, as part of the Voter ID law. They'll even come to your house and pick you up and drive you over to get one. Do you think that has done anything to stop them from biatching about it and screaming "RACISM!"??

Emphasis mine. Georgia's doing all the right things, except for the "if you can't afford one" part. A non-driver ID that is good only for basic ID and authentication at the voting booth should be free to all legal residents of a state. No income checks, no nothing. Want to vote but not drive? Then get your free ID.

timujin: Is it right to have to pay $200 in order to be able to fulfill one of this country's most fundamental rights, the right to vote?

You're not paying $200 to fulfill the right to vote. You're paying $200 to obtain and/or correct your birth certificate. Does having to pay for gas or public transportation to get to the polling location constitute paying to vote?

Weaver95: Its like Gov. Walker is daring people to storm his castle and behead hiim in the town square. is he really so arrogant as to believe that the local GOP won't face a massive backlash over his actions?

its enough to make me think there's something wrong with the guy. I mean physically wrong, like he's legitimately brain damaged or something

He's not handling the recall thing too well...

hubiestubert: He's not handling the recall thing too well...

Gee, an authoritarian control freak getting upset about a voter backlash... whodda thunk it?

the more Walker cracks down on voters and citizen rights the worse the backlash gets. if he had half a brain he'd find a way to defuse the tension, give up a few concessions to the other side and then ride out the wave of discontent until he's up for re-election.

FTFA "In Wisconsin's 2004 election saw seven fraudulent votes out of three million, all of them felons who'd lost their voting rights" How does having photo I.D. make the process any better?

Weaver95: hubiestubert: He's not handling the recall thing too well...

Gee, an authoritarian control freak getting upset about a voter backlash... whodda thunk it?

the more Walker cracks down on voters and citizen rights the worse the backlash gets. if he had half a brain he'd find a way to defuse the tension, give up a few concessions to the other side and then ride out the wave of discontent until he's up for re-election.

Getting the voters riled seems to be his forte. Not the best strategy...

kronicfeld: timujin: Is it right to have to pay $200 in order to be able to fulfill one of this country's most fundamental rights, the right to vote?

You're not paying $200 to fulfill the right to vote. You're paying $200 to obtain and/or correct your birth certificate. Does having to pay for gas or public transportation to get to the polling location constitute paying to vote?

But that's hardly the standard to use, right? I thought the standard is whether the law places a substantial burden on the voter's right to vote or whether it represent an increase in the usual burdens to fulfill that right?

Put it this way, suppose the fee to obtain a certified copy of your birth certificate from the hypothetical state of Lone Star is suddenly increased to $1500 dollars per copy. Is paying that $1500 dollars used to "fulfill the right to vote?" No, of course not, you're correct in noting that it isn't. However, does it place a substantial burden on the voter's right to vote? Maybe. Does it represent an increase in the usual burdens to fulfill the right to vote? Probably, yes.

GOP, why u hate America?

RexTalionis: But that's hardly the standard to use, right? I thought the standard is whether the law places a substantial burden on the voter's right to vote or whether it represent an significant increase in the usual burdens to fulfill that right?

Sorry, that should be "significant increase."

hubiestubert: Getting the voters riled seems to be his forte. Not the best strategy...

either Walker doesn't think it's a problem (in which case he's a weapons grade moron) or he thinks it doesn't matter (in which case he's just gonna cheat and win anyway). Not good anyway you look at it.

I wonder what Walker is like in person? I'd have a better idea of his position if i could observe him in action.

BravadoGT: if you can't afford one,

How do you prove that you can't afford one?

/Just curious.

Republicans: proudly denying Americans the right to vote and questioning your patriotism

A "solution" to a problem doesn't exist

RaceDTruck: FTFA "In Wisconsin's 2004 election saw seven fraudulent votes out of three million, all of them felons who'd lost their voting rights" How does having photo I.D. make the process any better?

It makes the process much better for Republicans, and those improvements eventually trickle down onto the rest of the voters.

timujin: ArkAngel: Believe what you want about voted ID laws, but biatching because you need a birth certificate to get an ID is stupid

Do you have a copy of your birth certificate? What if you didn't, where would you go to get one? What if, like the woman in the story, your birth certificate had incorrect information? Is it right to have to pay $200 in order to be able to fulfill one of this country's most fundamental rights, the right to vote?

Yes. The Oregon Vital Records office. Then I would write a letter to the office pointing out the mistake and they would change it; there is a fee but that includes new copies of the birth certificate for each one I send back. Changing vital records is an irritating thing - Wisconsin has only one method for changing a birth certificate - but there needs to be standards for how it is accomplished.

Babwa Wawa: BravadoGT: if you can't afford one,

How do you prove that you can't afford one?

/Just curious.

I haven't heard any actual stories of people trying to get the free ID. It was a simple solution to the theoretical problem that the naysayers where railing against--that all of these alleged poor people who are living in in society's shadows, without any picture form of ID or ability to get one, but who nevertheless want to vote --don't get disenfranchised.

It was a phony argument in the first place, so it never really played out in any meaningful way.

Marcus Aurelius: GOP, why u hate America?

democrats, why u favor voter fraud in America?

Lionel Mandrake: A "solution" to a problem doesn't exist

Yep.

Lionel Mandrake: A "solution" to a problem doesn't exist

Came to say this.

EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: GOP, why u hate America?

democrats, why u favor voter fraud in America?

I thought you were a small government Republican?

Nothing to see here people.

Gov. Scott Walker's administration is working on finalizing a plan to close as many as 10 offices where people can obtain driver's licenses in order to expand hours elsewhere and come into compliance with new requirements that voters show photo IDs at the polls.

One Democratic lawmaker said Friday it appeared the decisions were based on politics, with the department targeting offices for closure in Democratic areas and expanding hours for those in Republican districts.

TheGreatGazoo: You can't get a job without a birth certificate and Social Security card.

This is completely false. I've never had to produce either of these to get a job.

BravadoGT: Babwa Wawa: BravadoGT: if you can't afford one,

How do you prove that you can't afford one?

/Just curious.

I haven't heard any actual stories of people trying to get the free ID. It was a simple solution to the theoretical problem that the naysayers where railing against--that all of these alleged poor people who are living in in society's shadows, without any picture form of ID or ability to get one, but who nevertheless want to vote --don't get disenfranchised.

It was a phony argument in the first place, so it never really played out in any meaningful way.

Meh, ID is the state's burden if they require it to exercise rights. A fee levied to exercise the right to vote is a poll tax. Just because it can be waived for financial hardship doesn't make it not a tax.

This is different than say, the ID necessary to certify someone's ability to operate a motor vehicle. A fee is fine for that.

Since most people requiring ID also need a license, this should be almost no additional cost to the state. Therefore I have no idea why people oppose free identification.

As for it not being "real". It is legally a "real" tax, even if it's low, and even if the intent is not to disenfranchise voters.

Weaver95: EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: GOP, why u hate America?

democrats, why u favor voter fraud in America?

I thought you were a small government Republican?

I thought those were extinct.