ZAZ: coffee cup-shaped warning

I don't like coffee. I would risk killing you and me and a busload of school children rather than drink coffee.

More importantly, I have enough driving experience to know when I'm tired. The car doesn't have to tell me. I don't trust a car that can steer itself when it thinks it knows better than me. I try to imagine what it would do in a typical work zone. Four lane road, then no pavement markings for a while, then little white squares instead of normal dashed lines, then eight sets of dashed lines instead of four because they forgot to wipe out the old ones.

I think the point here is that do you really think that someone that can't tell when they are tired/distracted is going to notice a small coffee cup icon and think, well, think anything?

I doubt it.

"Keep your eyes on the road and off the redhead's cans."

I'm probably the most distrac...Wow, did you see that Porche. Hey, there's three deer in that field. Oh crap, that lady in the Tahoe was Fuuuugly. Anyway, what was I talking about?

The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

Is this thing going to go off every time I update Facebook from my laptop or try to get my breakfast out of the microwave?

They should outlaw billboards.

I test drove a MKS recently. I love technology but there is too damn much of it in that front seat.

More things I asked for in my new car.

/s

This thing will steer you and your family under a semi without so much as blinking!

ZAZ: coffee cup-shaped warning

I don't like coffee. I would risk killing you and me and a busload of school children rather than drink coffee.

More importantly, I have enough driving experience to know when I'm tired. The car doesn't have to tell me. I don't trust a car that can steer itself when it thinks it knows better than me. I try to imagine what it would do in a typical work zone. Four lane road, then no pavement markings for a while, then little white squares instead of normal dashed lines, then eight sets of dashed lines instead of four because they forgot to wipe out the old ones.

i valet part time at dfw airport. i HATE that people have become such incompitent drivers that these cars have TOO MANY safety features! seriously, i'm all for safety, but nothing is safer than someone actually knowing how to operate the huge hunk of metal and plastic they're driving...nothing can compensate for knowledge!

when i'm navigating in and out of spaces and all these beeps get louder and faster, it pisses me off! i KNOW i'm "near" other objects, but i'm well aware the size of the vehicle and know how NOT to hit stuff! and the worst is putting them in reverse and the mirrors angle down to show me the curbs/pavement? FARK YOU! i need to see other cars and people who may be behind me, not a cigarette butt and a curb!

/end rant

Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

i never really quite understood all the separate brands anyway. whatever happened to K.I.S.S. (keep it simple, stupid)? you're right, lincolns are now essentially slightly more high-class versions of fords, but ford has plenty of models that are pushing that anyway, so why not just have high-end, middle, and lower end fords and cut the extra names?

rhiannon: According to a recent study by the AAA Foundation more than two in five drivers admit they've fallen asleep, even for a moment, when driving.

Umm, so 3 then? 4?

More than 2 but not 3? What was the remainder--a midget?

bungle_jr: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

i never really quite understood all the separate brands anyway. whatever happened to K.I.S.S. (keep it simple, stupid)? you're right, lincolns are now essentially slightly more high-class versions of fords, but ford has plenty of models that are pushing that anyway, so why not just have high-end, middle, and lower end fords and cut the extra names?

Brand association. People won't buy a $70k Ford (well, most people). Rebadge it as a luxury brand and they will. Same reason Honda has the Acura brand, Toyota the Lexus, etc. The "main brand" is associated with a certain type of car, and people are more reluctant to buy something outside of that expected type.

"Damnit Mona, this isn't the fastest way to Country Kitchen Buffet!"

stryker4526: bungle_jr: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

i never really quite understood all the separate brands anyway. whatever happened to K.I.S.S. (keep it simple, stupid)? you're right, lincolns are now essentially slightly more high-class versions of fords, but ford has plenty of models that are pushing that anyway, so why not just have high-end, middle, and lower end fords and cut the extra names?

Brand association. People won't buy a $70k Ford (well, most people). Rebadge it as a luxury brand and they will. Same reason Honda has the Acura brand, Toyota the Lexus, etc. The "main brand" is associated with a certain type of car, and people are more reluctant to buy something outside of that expected type.

well, true. but look at mercedes and bmw...neither have a true economy model, but both have an extremely wide range of options, from around $30k on up to around $150k. yet they're all considered luxury, whereas ford, honda, toyota, nissan have economy, mid-range, and luxury with their main names, as well as lincoln, acura, lexus, and infinity offering luxury. acura's a weird one though...not all "luxury", a mix between sport and luxury.

Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

You shut your whore mouth when men are driving Lincolns!

/ MKZ
// Two Town Cars before that
/// And one day, a Continental convertible.
/V Not an addict.
V Die Caddy Die!

Cool. People biatch about drunk driving to the point of messing up the US constitution. That kills nothing close to distracted, tired driving, or DWO. Citation needed is the US gov's own stats.

bungle_jr: ford, honda, toyota, nissan have economy, mid-range, and luxury with their main names,

Nissan made an interstingl move when they put the GTR out as a Nissan. Whereas Honda and Toyota put their high end super car stuff out under the higher end subbrand.

MrBonestripper: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

You shut your whore mouth when men are driving Lincolns!

/ MKZ
// Two Town Cars before that
/// And one day, a Continental convertible.
/V Not an addict.
V Die Caddy Die!

MKZ represent!

/Love this car...but may upgrade to the MKS or MKX in a few years.

justanotherfarkinfarker: bungle_jr: ford, honda, toyota, nissan have economy, mid-range, and luxury with their main names,

Nissan made an interstingl move when they put the GTR out as a Nissan. Whereas Honda and Toyota put their high end super car stuff out under the higher end subbrand.

yes...too bad the powers-that-be at my valet job recognize the gtr for what it is and the rare occasion we get one they have it listed as a "supervisor only" car so i don't get to drive it :(

bungle_jr: stryker4526: bungle_jr: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

A countdown to a countdown. I approve of this.

i never really quite understood all the separate brands anyway. whatever happened to K.I.S.S. (keep it simple, stupid)? you're right, lincolns are now essentially slightly more high-class versions of fords, but ford has plenty of models that are pushing that anyway, so why not just have high-end, middle, and lower end fords and cut the extra names?

Hyundai does this actually. The Equus and Genesis are high end sedans that carry no separate marque.

Brand association. People won't buy a $70k Ford (well, most people). Rebadge it as a luxury brand and they will. Same reason Honda has the Acura brand, Toyota the Lexus, etc. The "main brand" is associated with a certain type of car, and people are more reluctant to buy something outside of that expected type.

well, true. but look at mercedes and bmw...neither have a true economy model, but both have an extremely wide range of options, from around $30k on up to around $150k. yet they're all considered luxury, whereas ford, honda, toyota, nissan have economy, mid-range, and luxury with their main names, as well as lincoln, acura, lexus, and infinity offering luxury. acura's a weird one though...not all "luxury", a mix between sport and luxury.

It's all marketing. The funny thing is the marketing works. People have come to associate certain marques with certain images, stereotypes and expectations. For instance, take Audi, BMW, Mercedes: performance and luxury, German R&D, expensive maintenance. Infiniti: Japanese German fighters that are just Nissans back in Japan. Wannabe Fast and Furious drivers like riced-out G35's as much as they like the Nissan Z and GT-R cars. Lexus: tuxedoed-up Toyotas plus some performance models. Acura: Speedy Hondas with big beaks and wood trim on the inside. Cadillac: Grandpa cars that have taken a turn for the better because of the CTS. Lincoln: A top-trim level Ford for an extra $15,000.

Lincolns are still the one luxury brand glued to the image elderly drivers more than any other though, so I think they'll continue to limp along until Ford needs to cut overhead again, and then Lincoln will finally join Oldsmobile in the ash heap of history.

I sell Nissans and don't even get to drive the GT-R.

Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

Yep, Ford really seems like they lost the high end. You can say what you want about GM, and there is a lot to say, but Mecury/Lincoln really gave a lot of ground to Buick/Caddy in recent years.

Why do I get the feeling this will wind up being used against people in a court of law. Your honor, the car's logs show that the distracted driver warning went off 10 seconds before the accident, clearly the driver was too distracted to react to the car that ran the red light and clipped him in the intersection.

2009 called. They want their Mercedes ad back.

Next up, a fapping warning light.

blackmtnmantheonly: Next up, a fapping warning light.

Followed by side windows that tint when you drive by a pretty girl.

Will it have something that grabs the phone out of the driver's goddam hand and refuses to return it while the car is moving? If not, this technology won't make any difference.

Put down the phone and drive, assholes.

But is it stuffed with eagle feathers?

Thundercougarfalconbird.

MrBonestripper: You shut your whore mouth when men are driving Lincolns!

Say hi to my grandpa when you get back to the rest home, and try not to drive through any farmers markets on the way.

dforkus: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

Yep, Ford really seems like they lost the high end. You can say what you want about GM, and there is a lot to say, but Mecury/Lincoln really gave a lot of ground to Buick/Caddy in recent years.

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Yeah, Mercury gave a lot of ground. The brand no longer exists. Yes, Mercury models where always based on Ford models, but they use to do it with class. Remember the 1967 Cougar? Based on the Mustang but better.

Fissile: dforkus: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

Yep, Ford really seems like they lost the high end. You can say what you want about GM, and there is a lot to say, but Mecury/Lincoln really gave a lot of ground to Buick/Caddy in recent years.

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Yeah, Mercury gave a lot of ground. The brand no longer exists. Yes, Mercury models where always based on Ford models, but they use to do it with class. Remember the 1967 Cougar? Based on the Mustang but better.

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one of the educators in my hometown of hope, ar, had a cougar that looks exactly like that one in the picture

I currently drive a 2010 Acura MDX tech/sport and love it. Previously I was driving a 2006 Lexus RX330 and loved that car too. After recently riding in a friends 2011 Lincoln MKT I really regret not getting on of those instead.

Yep....that Cougar brought back some memories. Big smiley.

GnomePaladin: MrBonestripper: You shut your whore mouth when men are driving Lincolns!

Say hi to my grandpa when you get back to the rest home, and try not to drive through any farmers markets on the way.

Will do, sonny.

By the way, you shouldn't pay for his weekly escort delivery with a personal check. This might be a bit before your time, but look up Jerry Springer on your intarweb phone game to see what comes of that.

/It ain't easy...
//But having a purple Lincoln helps.

bungle_jr: one of the educators in my hometown of hope, ar, had a cougar that looks exactly like that one in the picture

My pary are with his chrilden.

blackmtnmantheonly: Yep....that Cougar brought back some memories. Big smiley.

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Relative owned one. I remember it had tasteful, understated styling and was damn quiet and comfy. Went off to the big Turnpike up in the sky before I was old enough to drive.

Loaf's Tray: bungle_jr: one of the educators in my hometown of hope, ar, had a cougar that looks exactly like that one in the picture

My pary are with his chrilden.

huh?

dforkus: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

Yep, Ford really seems like they lost the high end. You can say what you want about GM, and there is a lot to say, but Mecury/Lincoln really gave a lot of ground to Buick/Caddy in recent years.

Government Motors is crap on wheels, and Caddy is nothing more then a shiny turd.
MoPaR is worse. (but they do look NICE)

Ford is the only decent American car maker left. I love my 01 Lincoln Continental (black on black baby) that I picked up in 04. A much better ride then my Audi (more dependable, cheaper to maintain / fix, more comfortable to drive). I also test drove a Benz, BMW, a Caddy and Jag and not only was the Lincoln the best 'drive' of them all.....it was also cheaper to boot.

The best part about driving a Lincoln Continental....I am invisable to police. I have never once been pulled over driving it (and I have had MANY chances what with how I drive).

If you are over 21 and think that Lincoln is just for old men, you are missing out on a LOT of fun. I picked mine up when I was 28 and at first my friends where like "why did you buy an old man car", then I took them for a ride...they now understand completely. :-)

Divinegrace: dforkus: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

Yep, Ford really seems like they lost the high end. You can say what you want about GM, and there is a lot to say, but Mecury/Lincoln really gave a lot of ground to Buick/Caddy in recent years.

Government Motors is crap on wheels, and Caddy is nothing more then a shiny turd.
MoPaR is worse. (but they do look NICE)

Ford is the only decent American car maker left. I love my 01 Lincoln Continental (black on black baby) that I picked up in 04. A much better ride then my Audi (more dependable, cheaper to maintain / fix, more comfortable to drive). I also test drove a Benz, BMW, a Caddy and Jag and not only was the Lincoln the best 'drive' of them all.....it was also cheaper to boot.

The best part about driving a Lincoln Continental....I am invisable to police. I have never once been pulled over driving it (and I have had MANY chances what with how I drive).

If you are over 21 and think that Lincoln is just for old men, you are missing out on a LOT of fun. I picked mine up when I was 28 and at first my friends where like "why did you buy an old man car", then I took them for a ride...they now understand completely. :-)

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I'm 23, and I have a Buick. I know what you're talking about.

Fissile: dforkus: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

Yep, Ford really seems like they lost the high end. You can say what you want about GM, and there is a lot to say, but Mecury/Lincoln really gave a lot of ground to Buick/Caddy in recent years.

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Yeah, Mercury gave a lot of ground. The brand no longer exists. Yes, Mercury models where always based on Ford models, but they use to do it with class. Remember the 1967 Cougar? Based on the Mustang but better.

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The beauty of the Cougar and most Mercury cars of the late '50s and 1960s is that while they shared chassis and engines with Fords, they shared little or no body panels with their Ford counterparts. By the 1970s through the end, Mercurys became more and more just grille and taillight jobs.

GM used to differentiate the models that shared bodies as well. You could tell a '64 Chevy from a Pontiac, Buick or Olds instantly from a block awayeven when they were built on the same A Body platform (Chevelle, LeMans,Skylark or Cutlass) or B Body (Impala, Catalina, LeSabre or 88). They too lost their individual identity in the '70s culminating with the ultimate insult to brand identity of the 1982 J-Car - Chevy Cavalier, Pontiac J-2000, Buick Skyhawk, Olds Firenza and Cadillac Cimmaron. Thus ended the Sloan Hierarchy.

/Nice XR7

Divinegrace: dforkus: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

Yep, Ford really seems like they lost the high end. You can say what you want about GM, and there is a lot to say, but Mecury/Lincoln really gave a lot of ground to Buick/Caddy in recent years.

Government Motors is crap on wheels, and Caddy is nothing more then a shiny turd.
MoPaR is worse. (but they do look NICE)

Ford is the only decent American car maker left. I love my 01 Lincoln Continental (black on black baby) that I picked up in 04. A much better ride then my Audi (more dependable, cheaper to maintain / fix, more comfortable to drive). I also test drove a Benz, BMW, a Caddy and Jag and not only was the Lincoln the best 'drive' of them all.....it was also cheaper to boot.

The best part about driving a Lincoln Continental....I am invisable to police. I have never once been pulled over driving it (and I have had MANY chances what with how I drive).

If you are over 21 and think that Lincoln is just for old men, you are missing out on a LOT of fun. I picked mine up when I was 28 and at first my friends where like "why did you buy an old man car", then I took them for a ride...they now understand completely. :-)

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I currently own a Cadillac. Bought it because it looked nice. Despite being very gently used, it's falling apart. I didn't mean for this to become a GM v Ford thread. In bashing Lincoln, I was trying to point out that Lincoln has lost it's way from a Lincoln should really be. Something like this:

Fissile: Divinegrace: dforkus: Fissile: The Lincoln brand probably won't be around for much longer. Until recently Ford had 3 North American brands: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. Mercuries were little more than tarted up Fords, and Lincolns were, well, Lincolns....big fat old fashioned American iron. Mercury is now dead, and Lincoln's are nothing more than tarted up Fords. Brand death count down starts in 10, 9, 8, 7.......

Yep, Ford really seems like they lost the high end. You can say what you want about GM, and there is a lot to say, but Mecury/Lincoln really gave a lot of ground to Buick/Caddy in recent years.

Government Motors is crap on wheels, and Caddy is nothing more then a shiny turd.
MoPaR is worse. (but they do look NICE)

Ford is the only decent American car maker left. I love my 01 Lincoln Continental (black on black baby) that I picked up in 04. A much better ride then my Audi (more dependable, cheaper to maintain / fix, more comfortable to drive). I also test drove a Benz, BMW, a Caddy and Jag and not only was the Lincoln the best 'drive' of them all.....it was also cheaper to boot.

The best part about driving a Lincoln Continental....I am invisable to police. I have never once been pulled over driving it (and I have had MANY chances what with how I drive).

If you are over 21 and think that Lincoln is just for old men, you are missing out on a LOT of fun. I picked mine up when I was 28 and at first my friends where like "why did you buy an old man car", then I took them for a ride...they now understand completely. :-)

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I currently own a Cadillac. Bought it because it looked nice. Despite being very gently used, it's falling apart. I didn't mean for this to become a GM v Ford thread. In bashing Lincoln, I was trying to point out that Lincoln has lost it's way from a Lincoln should really be. Something like this:

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I really wish they would have put the Continental concept car into production...