But don't forget. After 9/11, they're not just cops, they're heroes!

Cops shouldn't be able to locally investigate complaints against their own.

As a union supporter, I say bust the police unions.

Let those of you who have not used sex toys on a 14 year old cast the first stone

These are not minor infractions,

They're infractions of minors... so...

ubermensch: Let those of you who have not used sex toys on a 14 year old cast the first stone

Does a sharpie count?

Having just read this^, I am getting a ki... no... sad, raging feeling...

sexy-fetus: ubermensch: Let those of you who have not used sex toys on a 14 year old cast the first stone

Does a sharpie count?

Only to one.

cbackous: Can you really trust DNA that is 14 years old?


Don't worry, it won't tell. Promise.

skinink: But don't nevar forget. After 9/11, they're not just cops, they're heroes!

/fixed for accuracy

liberal media trying to paint a picture of a corrupt system when its nothing more than a few thousand bad apples.

This type of cop behavior happens all over the US now.....and they get away with it all over the US. American police are now very much like the Gestapo, only without the intelligence, and classy looking uniforms. Keep that in mind if you ever have to deal with cops.

FTFA:

Thousands of Florida officers remain on the job despite arrests or evidence implicating them in crimes that could have landed them in prison ...

The majority of the state's 83,000 law enforcement officers ...

One in 20 active law enforcement officers in Florida has committed a moral character violation ...

The number of officers with serious violations is much higher than state records show ...

Just a few bad apples; right? As in, 5-20% of those apples should be in prison right now and the rest continue to turn a blind eye.

I have yet to meet the cop who didn't richly deserve a severe beating at the very least. In NYC they are cowardly, trigger happy liars who seem to have an agreement among themselves that no suspect, even once known to be innocent, can be allowed to live once any cop has fired upon him. That's why when you hear about someone being killed by cops it's never a story about 1 or 2 or 10 shots being fired - it's always 20 or 30 or 50. They wantt that guy dead so that they are the only ones with a story to tell.

angstycoder: Having just read this^, I am getting a ki... no... sad, raging feeling...

I really wanted to do that program in HS. My parents wouldn't let me, which pissed me off to no end. They were afraid I would get shot or hurt some way. I doubt "raped by my cop-mentor" entered their minds.

In hindsight, THANKS Mom and Dad.

In 2004, according to court records, a 15-year-old Explorer told Brownwood Police Chief Virgil Cowin that Ariaz had forced himself on her one night when they were alone in the station house [possibly NSFW language here] Cowin also knew of text messages Ariaz had sent the girl bragging about the size of his penis and how he intended to use it on her.

"You're just a child," the girl recalls Cowin telling her. "You're just making it up."

Her complaint went nowhere.


Urge to kill rising...

The California State patrol had this issue about 15 years ago. I can't find any articles on the subject but there was one of their patrol officers who was a serial rapist, pulling young attractive girls over directing them to secluded areas and extorting sex from them. He was a "choker", he liked putting his hands around their necks during the act. He had over a dozen very serious complaints made against him over a period of about 4 or 5 years, and he'd be transferred to another department, over and over and no serious disciplinary action was taken against him until he ended up strangling one of his victims to death.

This sort of crap must stop. If Police Departments want to be respected and taken seriously in their duties, it must be easier to fire them and get them prosecuted if there are crimes committed. This includes barging into peoples houses, unannounced with machine guns and hand grenades and murdering people for possession of a plant. That must stop entirely. SWAT teams are not death squads and shouldn't be used in search warrants, ever.

Otherwise, we are no different from El Salvador or Iraq.

When I was in the Navy in the mid-80's, we were on our way back to the US from overseas. The Navy paid to have a CHP officer meet the ship in Hawaii and ride back to San Diego with us. He gave driving safety classes during the week. Hard hitting ones like "In the US, we drive on the right hand side of the rode, unlike Japan".

About 6 months after we got back, that officer was arrested and eventually convicted, up multiple murders. He was pulling women off the freeways in secluded areas, killing them and throwing their bodies off bridges.

Deathfrogg: He was a "choker"

And a smoker? And a midnight toker?

weiserfireman: When I was in the Navy in the mid-80's, we were on our way back to the US from overseas. The Navy paid to have a CHP officer meet the ship in Hawaii and ride back to San Diego with us. He gave driving safety classes during the week. Hard hitting ones like "In the US, we drive on the right hand side of the rode, unlike Japan".

About 6 months after we got back, that officer was arrested and eventually convicted, up multiple murders. He was pulling women off the freeways in secluded areas, killing them and throwing their bodies off bridges.

And just because they were driving on the wrong side of the road? What an overreaction.

weiserfireman: When I was in the Navy in the mid-80's, we were on our way back to the US from overseas. The Navy paid to have a CHP officer meet the ship in Hawaii and ride back to San Diego with us. He gave driving safety classes during the week. Hard hitting ones like "In the US, we drive on the right hand side of the rode, unlike Japan".

About 6 months after we got back, that officer was arrested and eventually convicted, up multiple murders. He was pulling women off the freeways in secluded areas, killing them and throwing their bodies off bridges.

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A few years ago I went down to the local municipal building to file an application for a building variance. The zoning office was across the hall from the violations bureau window. There was a line of people waiting to pay on their summonses. Most of the people in line were hot, young blond females. I remember thinking to myself, "Oh, boy. There is some cop/s on this PD with serious issues."

special20: Bad cops... oh I know - blame the union. Right. That's stupid.

Yep.

Those small town cops down south that aren't in a union are known fir never doing anything wrong.

gshepnyc: I have yet to meet the cop who didn't richly deserve a severe beating at the very least. In NYC they are cowardly, trigger happy liars who seem to have an agreement among themselves that no suspect, even once known to be innocent, can be allowed to live once any cop has fired upon him. That's why when you hear about someone being killed by cops it's never a story about 1 or 2 or 10 shots being fired - it's always 20 or 30 or 50. They wantt that guy dead so that they are the only ones with a story to tell.

Actually in NYC their main characteristic is that they are thieves.

Fissile:

A few years ago I went down to the local municipal building to file an application for a building variance. The zoning office was across the hall from the violations bureau window. There was a line of people waiting to pay on their summonses. Most of the people in line were hot, young blond females. I remember thinking to myself, "Oh, boy. There is some cop/s on this PD with serious issues."

That, and young hot babes don't know how to operate a motor vehicle in a reasonable and safe manner. My stepsister (former) was one of these. Super hot classic California blonde with tigo bitties and a face that coulda turned the pope into a fapping maniac. All my friends lusted after her like nobodies business. And yeah, I woulda hit it if I coulda.

She was also a lead foot maniac with a '72 Formula 400 Firebird who had at least 10 speeding tickets within a year after getting the car. That pretty face of hers didn't do much to get her out of getting the citations. And I'm sure she tried to use it that way. She was that sort of biatch.

poe_zlaw: liberal media trying to paint a picture of a corrupt system when its nothing more than a few thousand bad apples.

a few thousand?

What if the news reported that a few thousand paedophiles had been let off without charge? or a thousand illegal immigrant paedophiles?

I find it amazing how someone with a badge gets let off even by members of the public that don't even know them.

Let me ask you, what if it was your child?

Thanks UNIONS!

No big deal. Like any kind of job like this, to effectively combat criminals, you must become one.

Bob16: special20: Bad cops... oh I know - blame the union. Right. That's stupid.

Yep.

Those small town cops down south that aren't in a union are known fir never doing anything wrong.

An they have the police records to prove it.

Deathfrogg: Fissile:

A few years ago I went down to the local municipal building to file an application for a building variance. The zoning office was across the hall from the violations bureau window. There was a line of people waiting to pay on their summonses. Most of the people in line were hot, young blond females. I remember thinking to myself, "Oh, boy. There is some cop/s on this PD with serious issues."

That, and young hot babes don't know how to operate a motor vehicle in a reasonable and safe manner. My stepsister (former) was one of these. Super hot classic California blonde with tigo bitties and a face that coulda turned the pope into a fapping maniac. All my friends lusted after her like nobodies business. And yeah, I woulda hit it if I coulda.

She was also a lead foot maniac with a '72 Formula 400 Firebird who had at least 10 speeding tickets within a year after getting the car. That pretty face of hers didn't do much to get her out of getting the citations. And I'm sure she tried to use it that way. She was that sort of biatch.

I got out of a few tickets when I was younger just because I was hot. I also got pulled over in CA by a cop that claimed I had run a stop sign and was working up to telling me what a swell guy he was, etc. His attitude changed a bit when my daughter (had been sleeping in the back seat) woke up. I'm sure he would have offered his flesh breathalyzer if I had been alone.

/blonde

Dimensio: lordaction: Thanks UNIONS!

Your accusation against unions is not credible, as you have issued demonstrably dishonest accusations in previous discussions.

Are you a farking idiot? The first paragraph of the article states the problem is the unions. I really wonder what reality you live in sometimes. Get some help man, it is getting kind of pathetic at this point.

Xai: poe_zlaw: liberal media trying to paint a picture of a corrupt system when its nothing more than a few thousand bad apples.

a few thousand?

What if the news reported that a few thousand paedophiles had been let off without charge? or a thousand illegal immigrant paedophiles?

I find it amazing how someone with a badge gets let off even by members of the public that don't even know them.

Let me ask you, what if it was your child?

My child? My child? You dont have a clue what these cops go thru on a daily basis. This EXACTLY why I dont have children, so asking "what if it was your child?" is totally irrelevant. Just because Arizona has WAY too many illegal immigrants or the cops to keep tabs on doesnt mean I should get all bent out of shape when a couple of cops cant arrest a couple of people for SUPPOSEDLY victimizing someone of their own race. It isnt even the cops' business in the first place.

lordaction:

Are you a farking idiot? The first paragraph of the article states the problem is the unions. I really wonder what reality you live in sometimes. Get some help man, it is getting kind of pathetic at this point.


That doesn't mean anything. Unions are an important part of workers job security. They exist in Police Departments mostly because in the old days before they existed, an officer could be fired for political reasons or because the top cheeses in charge were manipulating the system to serve their own ends mostly to serve and protect their own corruption. It wasn't all that long ago that cops had to walk the beat 12 hours a day, seven days a week, even when injured or seriously ill, and had no vacation time at all. Thats where the term "flatfoot" comes from. They weren't paid jack shiat and had to buy their own equipment.

They were also often just being used as enforcers for their respective city Governments graft and only enforcing the law where their superiors wanted them to. The Unions were created to protect the beat cops on the street from the psychopaths in the upper echelons. They still need that. It's just that the Unions have too much influence on disciplinary actions and need to be reigned in. Laws at the Federal level, and at the State level, properly written, can go a long way to changing this.

AbbeySomeone: Deathfrogg: Fissile:

A few years ago I went down to the local municipal building to file an application for a building variance. The zoning office was across the hall from the violations bureau window. There was a line of people waiting to pay on their summonses. Most of the people in line were hot, young blond females. I remember thinking to myself, "Oh, boy. There is some cop/s on this PD with serious issues."

That, and young hot babes don't know how to operate a motor vehicle in a reasonable and safe manner. My stepsister (former) was one of these. Super hot classic California blonde with tigo bitties and a face that coulda turned the pope into a fapping maniac. All my friends lusted after her like nobodies business. And yeah, I woulda hit it if I coulda.

She was also a lead foot maniac with a '72 Formula 400 Firebird who had at least 10 speeding tickets within a year after getting the car. That pretty face of hers didn't do much to get her out of getting the citations. And I'm sure she tried to use it that way. She was that sort of biatch.

I got out of a few tickets when I was younger just because I was hot. I also got pulled over in CA by a cop that claimed I had run a stop sign and was working up to telling me what a swell guy he was, etc. His attitude changed a bit when my daughter (had been sleeping in the back seat) woke up. I'm sure he would have offered his flesh breathalyzer if I had been alone.

/blonde

Your comment is useless without pics.

What we need is SomEone willing to Risk going undercover, and finding
out where the Police force Is most COrrupt, and nip it in the bud.

Here they are, folks-- all lined up in one picture. Every cop in the United States Of America in one glorious photo.

Why do you blame only the unions and not the politicians that sold you out to them?

Unions want to protect their members in the same way corporations want to maximize their profits. They leaned that from each other.

OBBN: PAGING CRUISER TWELVE, PAGING CRUISER TWELVE (Am I doing that right?)

Well, well here we are again. And to put the dot on the "i" and the cherry on the top of the cake, the article proves my point from yesterdays thread. Would you like to see it or is it too early in the morning for you to realize that I was correct?

FTFA Even those officers with multiple offenses have been given chance after chance through a disciplinary system that has been reshaped in their favor by the state's politically influential police unions. As a result, officers around Florida carry personnel files that are anything but heroic.

Seems as if we have unions protecting corrupt, immoral police officers. Call me, errr what is that word .... uh ... oh yeah ...Gobsmacked! But I eagerly await your response, not only defending the unions, but how management messed up on some trivial procedural point and these scumbag cops should keep their jobs.

Perhaps if you actually went back one day and re-read all your posts you will understand why the general public no longer has respect, but only fear of law enforcement. Perhaps if cops like you actually stood up against this kind of corruption you could regain the trust of the citizens and once again become trusted and respected officials like you should be.

Bless CT's heart. He does strive to present a reasonable perspective.