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(NYPost)   OWS protester scores Wall Street job, which means the rest of you smelly hippies have to go home and let Wall Street bankers enjoy their Christmas bonuses in peace   (nypost.com) divider line 371
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2011-12-05 12:41:42 PM  
skullkrusher: ACallForPeace: Jake Steed: Right, because working hard sucks! If it's to hard just don't do it. The new American way!

No. Working hard for nothing or next to nothing sucks. But that is the current American way.
The issue is compensation, not the work.
A new American way where people are actually paid for their work. Sounds horrible.
Why should you be entitled to someone's labor if you're not going to compensate them for it and why is the current system of just such arrangements okay?
She's being robbed, and has been robbed and lied to all her life. Way to cheer it on.

Like many very lucrative jobs, you start off at the bottom working like an animal. Medical residents, lawyers, accountants at large public firms, investment bankers and yes, research analysts. This isn't the "new American way". This is how it is in these fields. "Paying your dues" isn't a term Reagan invented. Or did you think these rich investment bankers started at $200,000 a year right out of college?


Wages haven't kept up with inflation, and nor have raises. Most people are being paid far less than what they were making a decade ago.
 
2011-12-05 12:42:48 PM  
Holy fark she's nuts. Gotta love her World Trade Center dust paper.
 
2011-12-05 12:42:52 PM  
So some idiot Wall Streeters decided to fabricate a "success" story where someone with a PhD in a science discipline manages to get a minimum-wage data-entry job with their company, and they parade it around like it heralds the end of the recession?

And then they wonder why we think government/Wall Street has completely lost touch with reality.
 
2011-12-05 12:42:57 PM  

Beluga Heights: If you're an elite you get to. Don't act like guys with Harvard MBAs starting at places like Goldman Sachs are your little bootstrappy golden boys making 40k a year like the rest of us bums. And don't come back with something like "they work long hours and their job sucks" because they don't have the market cornered on that.


no, an MBA would probably make about $150K after bonus. Roughly half of his salary would be guaranteed, the other contingent on performance.
He would also work anywhere from 60 to 100+ hours a week depending on what division he's in, deals, etc.

My bro-in-law is a Harvard undergrad. Worked those hours for $80k out of school. Does a farkload better for himself now but he "paid his dues".
This woman had a phd in a tangentially related field, no indication she went to an ivy school and is a junior research analyst and not an i-banker.

It's nothing about "bootstraps". It's about reality in the field.
 
2011-12-05 12:44:58 PM  

EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.


You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.
 
2011-12-05 12:46:14 PM  

TyrantII: Wages haven't kept up with inflation, and nor have raises. Most people are being paid far less than what they were making a decade ago.


that really doesn't apply to the sort of careers I was referring to. Doesn't really matter to my point either.
 
2011-12-05 12:46:57 PM  

dennysgod: otto the bull: I wonder which one of those Dukes will win the $1 bet.

+eleventy to you my good sir.


wuts teh bet?
 
2011-12-05 12:50:24 PM  
her real name is tracy blevins, and she's a truther!

http://wtcdust.blogspot.com/
 
2011-12-05 12:55:33 PM  

TyrantII: thomps: here's her twitter feed (new window). girl is bananas

Well, that explains why she took the job. She's batshiat crazy.

This kinda says a lot about the firm that hired her. Did they not do a background check? This woman is a Truther and her PHD is sounded less likely knowing that, since it's being touted as her credentials on 9/11.

This is going to end up being the same as picking the guys that picks up a few bums, cleans them, puts them in suits and passes them off at the country club; ain't it?


Not just a garden variety, run of the mill truther. She's an "energy beam brought down the dowers turning the smoke/dust plume into a magnetic field oriented pattern, NICOLA TESLA CAUSED THE TUNGUSKA WITH HIS EXPERIMENTATION" batshiat crazy truther.

Seriously, check out her blog: http://howitwasdone911.blogspot.com/

Dr. Babs needs some Dr. Phil, or something.
 
2011-12-05 01:01:48 PM  

Mose: TyrantII: thomps: here's her twitter feed (new window). girl is bananas

Well, that explains why she took the job. She's batshiat crazy.

This kinda says a lot about the firm that hired her. Did they not do a background check? This woman is a Truther and her PHD is sounded less likely knowing that, since it's being touted as her credentials on 9/11.

This is going to end up being the same as picking the guys that picks up a few bums, cleans them, puts them in suits and passes them off at the country club; ain't it?

Not just a garden variety, run of the mill truther. She's an "energy beam brought down the dowers turning the smoke/dust plume into a magnetic field oriented pattern, NICOLA TESLA CAUSED THE TUNGUSKA WITH HIS EXPERIMENTATION" batshiat crazy truther.

Seriously, check out her blog: http://howitwasdone911.blogspot.com/

Dr. Babs needs some Dr. Phil, or something.


I wonder what her FARK handle is?
 
2011-12-05 01:03:13 PM  

Mose: TyrantII: thomps: here's her twitter feed (new window). girl is bananas

Well, that explains why she took the job. She's batshiat crazy.

This kinda says a lot about the firm that hired her. Did they not do a background check? This woman is a Truther and her PHD is sounded less likely knowing that, since it's being touted as her credentials on 9/11.

This is going to end up being the same as picking the guys that picks up a few bums, cleans them, puts them in suits and passes them off at the country club; ain't it?

Not just a garden variety, run of the mill truther. She's an "energy beam brought down the dowers turning the smoke/dust plume into a magnetic field oriented pattern, NICOLA TESLA CAUSED THE TUNGUSKA WITH HIS EXPERIMENTATION" batshiat crazy truther.

Seriously, check out her blog: http://howitwasdone911.blogspot.com/


So, Dinner for Schmucks was a documentary?

weknowmemes.com
 
2011-12-05 01:03:48 PM  

stryker4526: archichris: RodneyToady: A near minimum wage job for a Ph.D. in a STEM field. Stellar.

Yeah and this one time I totally customized this 1999 Hewlett Packard Pavilion with like some cool lights and a biatching fast HDD and a killer sound card. I had like $1400 invested in that and then I went to sell it in like 2004 and this biatch wall street guy who was totally 1% told me it wasnt worth the money I had invested in it cause the world had moved on and my computer was now obsolete and he only wanted to give me $25 for it.

Or to put it in a way you might understand.....

YOUR DEGREE AINT WORTH shiat IF NO ONE NEEDS YOUR TRAINING.

Go teach some college kids how to get a worthless degree and leave the rest of the working world alone.

University is not a vocational school you ignoramus.


The difference is largely smugness. The point remains, if you are a PHD in comparative gender studies and all the state governments have already hired their quota of get out of lawsuit free-suits....then there is no demand for your training and you will have to get in line at the Uni to teach the next generation of unneeded doctorates.
 
2011-12-05 01:04:49 PM  

stevetherobot: archichris: RodneyToady: A near minimum wage job for a Ph.D. in a STEM field. Stellar.

Yeah and this one time I totally customized this 1999 Hewlett Packard Pavilion with like some cool lights and a biatching fast HDD and a killer sound card. I had like $1400 invested in that and then I went to sell it in like 2004 and this biatch wall street guy who was totally 1% told me it wasnt worth the money I had invested in it cause the world had moved on and my computer was now obsolete and he only wanted to give me $25 for it.

Or to put it in a way you might understand.....

YOUR DEGREE AINT WORTH shiat IF NO ONE NEEDS YOUR TRAINING.

Go teach some college kids how to get a worthless degree and leave the rest of the working world alone.

Isn't one of the anti-OWS talking points that people should get STEM degrees instead of 'worthless' degrees such as art history?


I assume a Stem degree involves neither wine glasses nor flower clippings?
 
2011-12-05 01:07:28 PM  

bhcompy: stainedglassdoll: Beluga Heights: stainedglassdoll: As someone halfway through getting her Ph.D. in biomedical engineering, I am not getting a kick.

/supports OWS, $0 debt

Are you single?

Nope. :)

archichris: YOUR DEGREE AINT WORTH shiat IF NO ONE NEEDS YOUR TRAINING.

Go teach some college kids how to get a worthless degree and leave the rest of the working world alone.

To work professionally in most STEM jobs, a masters or doctorate is required, because undergraduate schools are so diluted with students that have been told they need to go to college to succeed that a bachelor's degree is essentially a high school diploma 2.0.

You are a total hypocrite if you think it's OK to live in a society where an advanced degree in biomedical science is considered worthless but take a single asprin or any kind of medicine.

Not worthless. Biomedical engineering field also has certifications, the article doesn't mention if she has them. Also, NYC isn't the best place for biomed. Places like San Diego, Orange County, etc have strong biomed presences, and are on the other side of the country.

Biggest problem with these OWS kids is that they expect shiat to come to them. Hell, this girl looks healthy. The armed forces take all sorts of engineers, and an advanced degree generally means you can go in as an officer.


My point remains, if she has an advanced degree, but no one needs that qualification at the moment, it isnt worth anything. I have a cousin who has 15 years college experience as a biology teaching assistant, but has never graduated because his talents are largely worthless in the real world according to him. So he runs a lab at a school, teaches his profs classes and then during the summer he sells tourist crap in the french quarter.
 
2011-12-05 01:08:57 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: archichris: m2313: GaryPDX: OR, you could start your own business.

So be a slave-driver or a slave?
Good luck with that.
The government likes to regulate on behalf of the bigger players and then not enforce rules on the bigger players. If people could just start their own business this would not be a problem.
But it is a good idea.
The workers should get rid of the parasites of state bureaucrats and private managers and take the workplace that is rightfully theirs. Maybe form an unemployed union/co-op and just start taking care of each other instead of pointlessly addressing the people who stole from them and are trying to enslave them.
A voluntary community/co-operative system to resist corporate and state oppression.

Or as it is referred to in the rest of the world.....a refugee camp.

You are seriously advocating for a world in which there are neither employers nor employees? So your utopia is a total government job hand out system. So this chick with the PHD in STEM would be assigned a job shoving needles into the arms of crack heads in exchange for a voucher worth a place to live and some bread and vodka....oh and for the privilege of not getting shot as a dissident.

wunderbar!



See, you had a legitimate argument but then you wnet all "put words in folks mouth".


Legit arguments are ignored, but nothing baits the troll like a good strawman full of dogma.
 
2011-12-05 01:11:01 PM  

m2313: EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.

You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.


Yes, I live in the real world where changing jobs is fairly common. Honestly, who in the forum has been working for any amount of times and has never changed jobs, ever?
 
2011-12-05 01:11:25 PM  

stryker4526: OBBN: Famous Thamas: She's gonna have a great time as a junior analyst building all those spreadsheets and reports for the seniors. Could she make a cool six figures one day? Sure, after 5-10 years of working 70-80 hour weeks. Even then, only if she's lucky...

You mean to tell me that to get a job paying in the six figures or higher one must actually pay some sort of dues? You must work your way up from the bottom, become competent and excel? Wow, and to think I thouht you just showed up at the door, filled out a quick application and they paid you a few hundred thousand a year. I had no idea you actually had to work for it!

80 hour work weeks goes a bit beyond "paying your dues."
It's more like "being raped for all you have."


Pfff! When I was paying my dues 80 hour work weeks were light weeks. I've worked a hundred or more hours in a week. Hell one January I don't think I slept more then 4 hours a day, 7 days a week, for the entire month and had moved into the office. I had a cot, a shower, and my clothes there.

Of course I was incoherent and homicidal by February. I quit the day one of my co-workers smarted off to me with his back turned and I realized I had my pocket knife out and was thinking about slitting his neck. Now I have a fat pay check, an office, and screw around on Fark more then I should.
 
2011-12-05 01:16:34 PM  

EWreckedSean: Yes, I live in the real world where changing jobs is fairly common.


You mean you live in a fantasy world where America does not have an unemployment problem.
 
2011-12-05 01:17:06 PM  

Fissile: Most people waste their time...and money.... pursuing a Ph.D.

The Ph.D. Glut Revisited (new window)


That is a fairly accurate article, and I was about to take issue with it until I found the one point I was looking for

"except in a field where industry hires people with advanced degrees,"

I am in a PhD program, but it is very quantitative in nature and all of efforts (courses, avenues of research) are designed to land me a job in industry, not academia. But yeah, I would be concerned if I was in one of those areas where the only outlet was academia, particularly if I was one of those that was bad at research, which apparently is a fair number of them.

In addition to the problems listed by the article - too many PhD students - I think the graduate schools emphasize the wrong skills in the selection process. So much weight is given to undergarduate gpa when it doesn't really predict performance in graduate school in the dimensions that matter. Sure, those students will probably get As in grad school as well, but the ultimate criterion in graduate school and academia is research, not gpa. I have seen plenty of straight A students who just don't have the imagination to put together a quality study, whereas there are some who never wow anybody with their grades, but can put together some of the most badass studies. Graduate schools should put that skill at the top of their list and treat grades and GRE scores as secondary.

Oh, and lets not forget that quality of the program still matters....a lot. Phoenix online and Capela have "PhD" programs, but I think anyone who pursues one of these online degrees is just wasting their time. To a slightly lesser extent, that is true for those peripheral schools that have recently added PhD programs. Stick with the prestigious programs with well regarded faculty.

In summary, if maximizing your lifetime earning power is your primary objective, forget about PhD programs. If you

a) have a giant ego
b) want/need intellectually stimulating work
c) don't care that much about money
d) have the vision and imagination to make a good researcher

then a PhD progam may be for you.
 
2011-12-05 01:17:37 PM  

m2313: EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.

You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.




What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican?? I could not disagree with you more. Take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're basically advocating giving up trying until the protests force the job creators to come down from the mountain and sprinlke everyone with jobs.

My mother is a self-made African-American woman who, without a degree, worked her way up the ladder in the finance department of a major corporation. She was there for 15 years. TWO MONTHS AGO, she was laid off. Instead of biatching about what degree she didn't have, she got up everyday like she had a job and spent 8 hours a day at her computer shopping her resume. She is now employed, making less than she was in the old job, but more than enough to sustain her lifestyle because she lives within her means. While I TRULY believe in the mission of OWS, I think its being corrupted by the lazy and by people who don't even have enough information about our financial system to make judgements about whats fair and whats not. Your post sounds like you're saying, "Waaaah, I may have to go get more skills if I want a job and that would cost me time and money, so therefore there are no jobs." It's crazy talk.
 
2011-12-05 01:19:18 PM  
ACallForPeace 2011-12-05 12:12:22 PM

No. Working hard for nothing or next to nothing sucks. But that is the current American way.
The issue is compensation, not the work.
A new American way where people are actually paid for their work. Sounds horrible.
Why should you be entitled to someone's labor if you're not going to compensate them for it and why is the current system of just such arrangements okay?
She's being robbed, and has been robbed and lied to all her life. Way to cheer it on.

----------------------

Perhaps your mommy didn't tell you sometimes life sucks and sometimes things are hard.

In America, you have to start somewhere and if you keep your nose to the grindstone amazing things can happen. I worked my ass off for next to nothing for years but iI kept driving on and now have a very comfortable life, so yours (and the ows protesters) crying and "woe is me" attitude has absolutely no affect with me at all.

My heart pumps piss for you.
 
2011-12-05 01:19:28 PM  

EWreckedSean: m2313: EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.

You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.

Yes, I live in the real world where changing jobs is fairly common. Honestly, who in the forum has been working for any amount of times and has never changed jobs, ever?


I'm on my 11th year with my current employer. I've been here since I graduated from college (BS in Engineering). I could almost certainly make more by going elsewhere, but they've been good to me, I really like where I live and I would almost certainly have to move to get a good job. My mother would probably disown me if I moved, because she babysits our youngest 1 or 2 days a week when she's not working, and she would be heartbroken if she didn't get to see him. Making the highest possible wage at all costs isn't the most important thing in life (at least not to me). My needs are met, my kids are fed, I don't hate my job, and I own my house. Life could be worse.
 
2011-12-05 01:20:05 PM  

Slaves2Darkness:

Pfff! When I was paying my dues 80 hour work weeks were light weeks. I've worked a hundred or more hours in a week. Hell one January I don't think I slept more then 4 hours a day, 7 days a week, for the entire month and had moved into the office. I had a cot, a shower, and my clothes there.

Of course I was incoherent and homicidal by February. I quit the day one of my co-workers smarted off to me with his back turned and I realized I had my pocket knife out and was thinking about slitting his neck. Now I have a fat pay check, an office, and screw around on Fark more then I should.


It's funny how that works. I spent a year and a half in the web department of The Worst Company In the World (TM), where 70+ hours were necessary to meet deadlines and we got yelled at by the psychotic owner for costing too much in overtime.

Once I quit, though, I had proof that I could hold down a job in a web department, and have only had decent jobs since, except for a six month stint at a startup run by a moron. I actually enjoyed getting that Notice of Corporate Dissolution in the mail. Sometimes there's been a trade off between getting paid well and working for people I genuinely like, but the jobs have always been rewarding.
 
2011-12-05 01:20:53 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: m2313: EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.

You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.



What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican?? I could not disagree with you more. Take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're basically advocating giving up trying until the protests force the job creators to come down from the mountain and sprinlke everyone with jobs.

My mother is a self-made African-American woman who, without a degree, worked her way up the ladder in the finance department of a major corporation. She was there for 15 years. TWO MONTHS AGO, she was laid off. Instead of biatching about what degree she didn't have, she got up everyday like she had a job and spent 8 hours a day at her computer shopping her resume. She is now employed, making less than she was in the old job, but more than enough to sustain her lifestyle because she lives within her means. While I TRULY believe in the mission of OWS, I think its being corrupted by the lazy and by people who don't even have enough information about our financial system to make judgements about whats fair and whats not. Your post sounds like you're saying, "Waaaah, I may have to go get more skills if I want a job and that would cost me time and money, so therefore there are no jobs." It's crazy talk.


holy crap I'd kiss you if you weren't black
 
2011-12-05 01:20:57 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: m2313: EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.

You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.



What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican?? I could not disagree with you more. Take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're basically advocating giving up trying until the protests force the job creators to come down from the mountain and sprinlke everyone with jobs.

My mother is a self-made African-American woman who, without a degree, worked her way up the ladder in the finance department of a major corporation. She was there for 15 years. TWO MONTHS AGO, she was laid off. Instead of biatching about what degree she didn't have, she got up everyday like she had a job and spent 8 hours a day at her computer shopping her resume. She is now employed, making less than she was in the old job, but more than enough to sustain her lifestyle because she lives within her means. While I TRULY believe in the mission of OWS, I think its being corrupted by the lazy and by people who don't even have enough information about our financial system to make judgements about whats fair and whats not. Your post sounds like you're saying, "Waaaah, I may have to go get more skills if I want a job and that would cost me time and money, so therefore there are no jobs." It's crazy talk.


Its a crazy Monday when i am in total agreement with you Dro.
 
2011-12-05 01:22:34 PM  

m2313: EWreckedSean: Yes, I live in the real world where changing jobs is fairly common.

You mean you live in a fantasy world where America does not have an unemployment problem.


1) we are in the middle of an economic down turn. Suggesting this will be a long lasting shortage of jobs would be failing to learn from history

2) Even in this downturn, peole are still changing jobs fairly regularly. We are at 8.6% unemplyment, not 25%.

3) How many times have you changed jobs? Has it really only been because you were fired or laid off?
 
2011-12-05 01:23:23 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican??


www.badassoftheweek.com

/ It happens to all of us eventually.
 
2011-12-05 01:24:16 PM  

mod3072: EWreckedSean: m2313: EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.

You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.

Yes, I live in the real world where changing jobs is fairly common. Honestly, who in the forum has been working for any amount of times and has never changed jobs, ever?

I'm on my 11th year with my current employer. I've been here since I graduated from college (BS in Engineering). I could almost certainly make more by going elsewhere, but they've been good to me, I really like where I live and I would almost certainly have to move to get a good job. My mother would probably disown me if I moved, because she babysits our youngest 1 or 2 days a week when she's not working, and she would be heartbroken if she didn't get to see him. Making the highest possible wage at all costs isn't the most important thing in life (at least not to me). My needs are met, my kids are fed, I don't hate my job, and I own my house. Life could be worse.


Ok, but you are there because you found a good employer and a good living situation, not because you are trapped working there as a wage slave with no options as m2313 is suggesting most people are.
 
2011-12-05 01:25:20 PM  

skullkrusher: DROxINxTHExWIND: m2313: EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.

You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.



What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican?? I could not disagree with you more. Take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're basically advocating giving up trying until the protests force the job creators to come down from the mountain and sprinlke everyone with jobs.

My mother is a self-made African-American woman who, without a degree, worked her way up the ladder in the finance department of a major corporation. She was there for 15 years. TWO MONTHS AGO, she was laid off. Instead of biatching about what degree she didn't have, she got up everyday like she had a job and spent 8 hours a day at her computer shopping her resume. She is now employed, making less than she was in the old job, but more than enough to sustain her lifestyle because she lives within her means. While I TRULY believe in the mission of OWS, I think its being corrupted by the lazy and by people who don't even have enough information about our financial system to make judgements about whats fair and whats not. Your post sounds like you're saying, "Waaaah, I may have to go get more skills if I want a job and that would cost me time and money, so therefore there are no jobs." It's crazy talk.

holy crap I'd kiss you if you weren't black


Lol.
 
2011-12-05 01:26:22 PM  

skullkrusher: DROxINxTHExWIND: m2313: EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.

You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.



What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican?? I could not disagree with you more. Take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're basically advocating giving up trying until the protests force the job creators to come down from the mountain and sprinlke everyone with jobs.

My mother is a self-made African-American woman who, without a degree, worked her way up the ladder in the finance department of a major corporation. She was there for 15 years. TWO MONTHS AGO, she was laid off. Instead of biatching about what degree she didn't have, she got up everyday like she had a job and spent 8 hours a day at her computer shopping her resume. She is now employed, making less than she was in the old job, but more than enough to sustain her lifestyle because she lives within her means. While I TRULY believe in the mission of OWS, I think its being corrupted by the lazy and by people who don't even have enough information about our financial system to make judgements about whats fair and whats not. Your post sounds like you're saying, "Waaaah, I may have to go get more skills if I want a job and that would cost me time and money, so therefore there are no jobs." It's crazy talk.

holy crap I'd kiss you if you weren't black



You know I don't get down with the swirl.

/I'm just playin white women.
//Especially if you have a nice booty.
 
2011-12-05 01:27:11 PM  

EWreckedSean: m2313: EWreckedSean: Yes, I live in the real world where changing jobs is fairly common.

You mean you live in a fantasy world where America does not have an unemployment problem.

1) we are in the middle of an economic down turn. Suggesting this will be a long lasting shortage of jobs would be failing to learn from history

2) Even in this downturn, peole are still changing jobs fairly regularly. We are at 8.6% unemplyment, not 25%.

3) How many times have you changed jobs? Has it really only been because you were fired or laid off?


That would imply he ever had a job
 
2011-12-05 01:27:21 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: skullkrusher: DROxINxTHExWIND: m2313: EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.

You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.



What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican?? I could not disagree with you more. Take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're basically advocating giving up trying until the protests force the job creators to come down from the mountain and sprinlke everyone with jobs.

My mother is a self-made African-American woman who, without a degree, worked her way up the ladder in the finance department of a major corporation. She was there for 15 years. TWO MONTHS AGO, she was laid off. Instead of biatching about what degree she didn't have, she got up everyday like she had a job and spent 8 hours a day at her computer shopping her resume. She is now employed, making less than she was in the old job, but more than enough to sustain her lifestyle because she lives within her means. While I TRULY believe in the mission of OWS, I think its being corrupted by the lazy and by people who don't even have enough information about our financial system to make judgements about whats fair and whats not. Your post sounds like you're saying, "Waaaah, I may have to go get more skills if I want a job and that would cost me time and money, so therefore there are no jobs." It's crazy talk.

holy crap I'd kiss you if you weren't black


You know I don't get down with the swirl.

/I'm just playin white women.
//Especially if you have a nice booty.


hehe just kidding. I really won't kiss you because you're a dude

/double just kidding. It's cuz he's black
//seriously though, well said
 
2011-12-05 01:29:04 PM  

m2313: EWreckedSean: Yes, I live in the real world where changing jobs is fairly common.

You mean you live in a fantasy world where America does not have an unemployment problem.


Umm... he lives in a city where changing jobs is common and happens.

He ALSO lives in an America that has an unemployment problem.

See.. sometimes it can be both things... There is a grey that everyone on this issue seems to forget. BANKS GOT 7.7 TRILLION AND MAKE LOTS OF MONEY vs. WE GOT NOTHING AND OWE MONEY WE ARE THE 99%

I'm 99%. I have a job. I have a marketable skill. A skill that my degree is in no way related to at all. I have student loans that I volunatrily signed up for and agreed to the conditions of. I will be paying them back for a long time still. Oh well.

Jesus... does it suck the banks got that bailout money? Hell yes. That pisses me off still. BUT.. it happened. It sucks it happened. I feel it hspould not have happened. And I will not be supporting those in my legislature who allowed it to happen. I voiced my displeasure with them. It is my hope it will not happen again.

But am I going to biatch and moan about it as one of my many "talking points" for whatever fits the bill of my little campsite? No. What will it change for something that already happened?

They won't give the money back. and if they do it's obvious who y'all want the money to go to: you.

The talk of this week for OWS has been "bank bailout money: bad, pay off our loans: good"

the message changes every week.

My favorite "message" that OWS supporters love to blurt out is: "it got people talking, so it's working"

Umm... PT Barnum would be proud of this movement then. "I don't care what they say so long as they spell my name right"

If the public opinion of you is shifting to a negative one, do you really want people to be talking about it?
Is the "victory" simply that it's a topic to discuss?

I don't get the measuring stick because the goal posts keep getting shifted. Hell, they get more than shifted. OWS protestors just keep relocating the field, changing the shape of the field, and randomly going "WE WIN".

You're the farking Calvinball of protesting.

But, these threads are an awesome way to pass some time at my nice little job that earns me enough to enjoy living

And to come full-circle back to the original person I quoted:

I got this job 4 days after I left my other job. Walked out the door at that place, had phone interview here next day. Hired a week later. Because my skillset on a resume speaks volumes and my character plus the experience I have had from working in professional workplaces is impressive to potential employers.

But jobs don't exist, right? America has an unemployment problem and my job was an illusion.

blah blah blah I ranted I don't know why I'm hungry.
 
2011-12-05 01:29:14 PM  

archichris: stevetherobot: archichris: RodneyToady: A near minimum wage job for a Ph.D. in a STEM field. Stellar.

Yeah and this one time I totally customized this 1999 Hewlett Packard Pavilion with like some cool lights and a biatching fast HDD and a killer sound card. I had like $1400 invested in that and then I went to sell it in like 2004 and this biatch wall street guy who was totally 1% told me it wasnt worth the money I had invested in it cause the world had moved on and my computer was now obsolete and he only wanted to give me $25 for it.

Or to put it in a way you might understand.....

YOUR DEGREE AINT WORTH shiat IF NO ONE NEEDS YOUR TRAINING.

Go teach some college kids how to get a worthless degree and leave the rest of the working world alone.

Isn't one of the anti-OWS talking points that people should get STEM degrees instead of 'worthless' degrees such as art history?

I assume a Stem degree involves neither wine glasses nor flower clippings?


LOL.

I believe it stands for Science, Technology, Engineering, Medicine.
 
2011-12-05 01:29:16 PM  

Fissile: Most people waste their time...and money.... pursuing a Ph.D.

The Ph.D. Glut Revisited (new window)

If the public understood the economics of earning a Ph.D., people would think "naïve economic loser" whenever they hear "Ph.D."


The statement above is so true!

/Masters degree
/Almost went for Ph.D, glad I didn't
 
2011-12-05 01:30:00 PM  
So her original "RONALD REAGAN sucked balls" & "I LOVE COPS WHO SMOKE POT" signs weren't productive in the least but one where she coherently stated degree and desire to work did. Color me shocked!

i159.photobucket.com

i159.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-05 01:32:11 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND:
What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican??
I could not disagree with you more. Take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're basically advocating giving up trying until the protests force the job creators to come down from the mountain and sprinlke everyone with jobs.

this is scaring me more and more also with these OWS "protests"

I mean when Michelle Farkin' Bachmann gets a greenlight with a quote saying "OWS is looking for handouts" and I go "that's what i bel--OH MY GOD I NEED TO JUMP OUT OF A WINDOW RIGHT NOW"

something is wrong.

I am not a teabagger and do not agree with the religious right and the evangelical sweeping of the country....

but my god I do not agree with this overly hippie liberal "give us all money it sucks these rich people are so rich" thing because then my brain is going "didn't the share the wealth/spread the wealth.. we are all equal... uhh... i see Red?"

farkin' scares me.
 
2011-12-05 01:33:31 PM  
1. You can be applying for jobs all day long on your iphone (which all OWS protesters have, right?) and still be occupying.
2. You can have a decent job and still support OWS.

Your thread is invalid.
 
2011-12-05 01:38:26 PM  

freewill: DROxINxTHExWIND: What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican??

[www.badassoftheweek.com image 408x273]

/ It happens to all of us eventually.



If they were represented by a strong, decisive leader like Darth Vader, I could consider it. But, I'd have to choose between a pizza parlor owner who can't keep his dick in his pants, a retarded drunk who vacations at "Ni&&erhead", and a POS who cheated on his dying wife while he publically passed judgement on another man, who thinks little of Negroes and poor people in general.


/I think I'll take whats behind the curtain.
 
2011-12-05 01:38:30 PM  

Smiths: DROxINxTHExWIND: What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican?? I could not disagree with you more. Take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're basically advocating giving up trying until the protests force the job creators to come down from the mountain and sprinlke everyone with jobs.

this is scaring me more and more also with these OWS "protests"

I mean when Michelle Farkin' Bachmann gets a greenlight with a quote saying "OWS is looking for handouts" and I go "that's what i bel--OH MY GOD I NEED TO JUMP OUT OF A WINDOW RIGHT NOW"

something is wrong.

I am not a teabagger and do not agree with the religious right and the evangelical sweeping of the country....

but my god I do not agree with this overly hippie liberal "give us all money it sucks these rich people are so rich" thing because then my brain is going "didn't the share the wealth/spread the wealth.. we are all equal... uhh... i see Red?"

farkin' scares me.


Generally if you find yourself agreeing with everything that one political party or political philosophy says it is a sign that you have given up on thinking for yourself. So, it's probably a good thing that you are not 100% in line with any one group. I am convinced that having people think for themselves is the thing that political parties in the US fear most.
 
2011-12-05 01:38:33 PM  
i.imgur.com

"Do munchies count as food?"
 
2011-12-05 01:41:05 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: If they were represented by a strong, decisive leader like Darth Vader, I could consider it.


That was great.
 
2011-12-05 01:43:24 PM  

11of12: Generally if you find yourself agreeing with everything that one political party or political philosophy says it is a sign that you have given up on thinking for yourself. So, it's probably a good thing that you are not 100% in line with any one group. I am convinced that having people think for themselves is the thing that political parties in the US fear most.


yep.

i usually end up quoting Chris Rock:

"be an individual... LISTEN"

i got some things i'm conservative about, some things i'm liberal. Just scary this whole nation is about "classifying"

look at this 99% moniker... technically.. i am in this 99%. so the OWS people go "YOU ARE ONE OF US"

no i'm not. I am by definition in a percentile. I do not however share all your beliefs and support your practices.

Case in point, from OWS's main site (which my god I can't make it that far in):

Last night, undeterred by the city's destruction of their original encampment, hundreds of Occupy Seattle supporters occupied a vacant warehouse slated for demolition and condo development. After entering, Occupiers erected barricades, held a General Assembly, and began plans to fix up the space for community use.

Using SWAT teams and a ladder truck, police swarmed the warehouse, making 20 arrests and setting an unsettling precedent for the escalating use of military-style tactics against nonviolent occupiers who are liberating public space.


Liberating public space? YOUR SQUATTING IN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT

this is the spin they preach.
 
2011-12-05 01:43:32 PM  

skullkrusher: DROxINxTHExWIND: skullkrusher: DROxINxTHExWIND: m2313: EWreckedSean: No, the alternative is a different employer. It's not like you have the choice of one employer or none. People get new jobs all the time. It isn't rocket science here. The only people who are wage slaves are those with no valuable or marketable skills.

You're pretending that other jobs are widely available, or available at all, and that they don't have multiple barriers to entry would put one further in the hole.



What the fark is happening here? Am I becoming a Republican?? I could not disagree with you more. Take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're basically advocating giving up trying until the protests force the job creators to come down from the mountain and sprinlke everyone with jobs.

My mother is a self-made African-American woman who, without a degree, worked her way up the ladder in the finance department of a major corporation. She was there for 15 years. TWO MONTHS AGO, she was laid off. Instead of biatching about what degree she didn't have, she got up everyday like she had a job and spent 8 hours a day at her computer shopping her resume. She is now employed, making less than she was in the old job, but more than enough to sustain her lifestyle because she lives within her means. While I TRULY believe in the mission of OWS, I think its being corrupted by the lazy and by people who don't even have enough information about our financial system to make judgements about whats fair and whats not. Your post sounds like you're saying, "Waaaah, I may have to go get more skills if I want a job and that would cost me time and money, so therefore there are no jobs." It's crazy talk.

holy crap I'd kiss you if you weren't black


You know I don't get down with the swirl.

/I'm just playin white women.
//Especially if you have a nice booty.

hehe just kidding. I really won't kiss you because you're a dude

/double just kidding. It's cuz he's black
//seriously though, well said



Come on, you're a Republican male. We know you all ignore race in matters of the penis.

/NTTAWWT
//I like how its only well said when you agree. ;-)
 
2011-12-05 01:43:32 PM  
her Penthouse letters were HOT
 
2011-12-05 01:44:04 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Fissile: Most people waste their time...and money.... pursuing a Ph.D.

The Ph.D. Glut Revisited (new window)

That is a fairly accurate article, and I was about to take issue with it until I found the one point I was looking for

"except in a field where industry hires people with advanced degrees,"

I am in a PhD program, but it is very quantitative in nature and all of efforts (courses, avenues of research) are designed to land me a job in industry, not academia. But yeah, I would be concerned if I was in one of those areas where the only outlet was academia, particularly if I was one of those that was bad at research, which apparently is a fair number of them.

In addition to the problems listed by the article - too many PhD students - I think the graduate schools emphasize the wrong skills in the selection process. So much weight is given to undergarduate gpa when it doesn't really predict performance in graduate school in the dimensions that matter. Sure, those students will probably get As in grad school as well, but the ultimate criterion in graduate school and academia is research, not gpa. I have seen plenty of straight A students who just don't have the imagination to put together a quality study, whereas there are some who never wow anybody with their grades, but can put together some of the most badass studies. Graduate schools should put that skill at the top of their list and treat grades and GRE scores as secondary.

Oh, and lets not forget that quality of the program still matters....a lot. Phoenix online and Capela have "PhD" programs, but I think anyone who pursues one of these online degrees is just wasting their time. To a slightly lesser extent, that is true for those peripheral schools that have recently added PhD programs. Stick with the prestigious programs with well regarded faculty.

In summary, if maximizing your lifetime earning power is your primary objective, forget about PhD programs. If you

a) have a giant ego
b) want/need intellectually stimulating work
c) don't care that much about money
d) have the vision and imagination to make a good researcher

then a PhD progam may be for you.


I considered going for my PhD just so I could make people call me "Doctor". In the end, the cost/benefit on that one didn't quite work out.
 
2011-12-05 01:46:36 PM  

m2313: skullkrusher: m2313: skullkrusher: it wasn't meant to be a strawman. It's just the only existence I find plausible given your desires.
You don't get an industrial society with differentiated labor through anarchistic workers collectives.
You get tribes who hunt, maybe some farming. You don't get cars and iPads and modern medicine.

Well then I respectfully disagree.
I reject the Primitivist implication that technology exclusively shapes society without the other way around. Technology's use is also a result of social interaction in society. Given a different type of society there would be different uses/types of technology. In Spain they were able to run car factories and such. I believe you could get the same levels of technology but different types or uses.
I do submit that a lack of centralization would definitely slow the development of technology but I do not believe it would be incompatible with it.

it works when the collective is parter of a larger, capitalist society. I fully, completely, 100% support people voluntarily organizing collectively - either for their whole lives - or just to own and work with machines they collectively own with their fellow workers.
It's when you suggest this is possible for all to be this way I have an issue. Without a coercive government it would never happen. Without a coercive government, even voluntary communes could never happen because those less inclined to cooperation and kinship will come and take your shiat.

In places such as Mexico, Argentina, etc. these co-ops exist in spite of government violence done towards them. The coercive state goes against their interests.
They use volunteer militia instead of a top-down police force.


You got me interest. Now cite some sources of what you're talking about and I can jump in. What co-ops are you talking about in Mexico are being violated by their government? I doubt doubt there are, I'm interested in what you are reading/read. I'm from Mexico.
 
2011-12-05 01:47:13 PM  
That's great. Can we get the cops back to prosecuting the people who broke the law now?

/And maybe get some jobs for everyone else?
 
2011-12-05 01:47:58 PM  

rawbert7: m2313: skullkrusher: m2313: skullkrusher: it wasn't meant to be a strawman. It's just the only existence I find plausible given your desires.
You don't get an industrial society with differentiated labor through anarchistic workers collectives.
You get tribes who hunt, maybe some farming. You don't get cars and iPads and modern medicine.

Well then I respectfully disagree.
I reject the Primitivist implication that technology exclusively shapes society without the other way around. Technology's use is also a result of social interaction in society. Given a different type of society there would be different uses/types of technology. In Spain they were able to run car factories and such. I believe you could get the same levels of technology but different types or uses.
I do submit that a lack of centralization would definitely slow the development of technology but I do not believe it would be incompatible with it.

it works when the collective is parter of a larger, capitalist society. I fully, completely, 100% support people voluntarily organizing collectively - either for their whole lives - or just to own and work with machines they collectively own with their fellow workers.
It's when you suggest this is possible for all to be this way I have an issue. Without a coercive government it would never happen. Without a coercive government, even voluntary communes could never happen because those less inclined to cooperation and kinship will come and take your shiat.

In places such as Mexico, Argentina, etc. these co-ops exist in spite of government violence done towards them. The coercive state goes against their interests.
They use volunteer militia instead of a top-down police force.

You got me interest. Now cite some sources of what you're talking about and I can jump in. What co-ops are you talking about in Mexico are being violated by their government? I don'tdoubt there are, I'm interested in what you are reading/read. I'm from Mexico.

 
2011-12-05 01:49:29 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Famous Thamas: She's gonna have a great time as a junior analyst building all those spreadsheets and reports for the seniors. Could she make a cool six figures one day? Sure, after 5-10 years of working 70-80 hour weeks. Even then, only if she's lucky...

What the fark is wrong with you people? How hard SHOULD she have to work and how long SHOULD she have to wait to get six figures?? Jesus, I'm the smelliest hippy around but I have NO IDEA how anyone could have a problem with this woman taking a job. Unreal.


Easy there champ, I wasn't making a statement on just how hard she should work. Simply stating the realities of what working as a junior analyst in a Wall Street firm is like.

I don't have a problem at all with her taking this job, and I wish her the best, but the entry level on Wall Street is one hell of a grind.
 
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