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2011-12-04 11:17:21 PM
My Uncle George Begany was in the Navy stationed at Pearl Harbor, during that historic time.

He never talked about it except saying one thing: "All we could do was stack the bodies."

My uncle went on serving in the Pacific during the war, almost dying of a head wound. He ended up with a metal plate in his skull.

My uncle never complained or expected to be treated any differently than any other servicemen.
 
2011-12-04 11:48:15 PM
I hope they've been following the example of the Shoah Foundation and taping the living hell out of every survivor they can over the years,
 
2011-12-04 11:50:49 PM
I met a couple of Bataan survivors. Pretty impressive that they held no animosity.
 
2011-12-04 11:58:37 PM
FTA: "Afterward, a young boy asked if he could shake his hand. He did so," Large said. "He said 'can I give you a hug?' Dad bent down and hugged him. The boy said, 'I wanted to thank you for protecting our freedom.'"

Man it got epically dusty in here.
 
2011-12-05 12:25:23 AM
Headline from the CBC website a few years ago:"Pearl Harbour vets return to bomb site one last time."

/csb
 
2011-12-05 12:27:10 AM
Grandpa Lazymojo served in the Navy in WWII.

He spent his service tenure stationed in the Caribbean, on an unarmed, salvage vessel. He never saw combat, and by his own account, he and his fellow shipmates were drunk MOST of that time.

Still, Grandpa Lazymojo never complained or expected to be treated any differently than any other servicemen.
 
2011-12-05 12:28:44 AM
bojon: I met a couple of Bataan survivors. Pretty impressive that they held no animosity.

Same here. I've done the Bataan Memorial Death March (new window) twice now, and those guys left me extremely impressed and humbled each time. I mean, I guess don't have anything against Arabs despite my own wartime experiences, but I was also never a prisoner being tortured by them. You'd have to be a pretty big man not to hold at least a little bit of animosity towards the Japanese after suffering like those guys did.
 
2011-12-05 12:36:16 AM
My parents' next door neighbor is a Pearl Harbor survivor. He attends these events each year. I got to interview him for my 4th grade state report project, since I had Hawaii.
 
2011-12-05 12:45:45 AM
To her dying day my mom hated all japanese and, since she couldn't tell the difference, most other asians as well. She lost quite a few friends, relatives and a boyfriend at Pearl and in the ensuing war.
It was a perfect hate, cultivated over decades.
 
2011-12-05 12:50:00 AM
One of my high school classmate's grandfather was British soldier held prisoner by the Japanese. Apparently he didn't starve completely due to be adept at catching little lizards and eating them.
 
2011-12-05 12:55:10 AM
Grandpa Jonny Ill and Opa Jonny Ill served in WWII, the former repairing bombers for the RAF, the latter fighting alongside Eye-talians and against the Russians, to be held as a POW for a couple of years.

They never complained or expected to be treated differently from other foreigners when they immigrated to the USA and through utter poverty and opposition, managed to pull their selve's up by their own bootstraps.
 
2011-12-05 12:56:49 AM
I was substituting for some 2nd graders who were looking at a book with war pictures. The conversation:

#1 We're not at war with anybody.
#2 UH-UH. We're in two wars.
#3 I heard it was because they sent missiles into the two buildings.
#4 I heard that Japan did it.

I told 2nd grader #4 that he was 60 years late about the Japanese. To their delight, I told them all about Pearl Harbor and WWll instead of transitioning to grammar. I decided to just say nothing about the "missiles" and the buildings, let them find out on their own how Bush-Cheney allowed 9-11 to happen.
 
2011-12-05 01:09:42 AM
Paternal grandpa was in the Army stationed in the Aleutians. He got there post fighting, and was in the Signal Corps. Maternal grandpa was a Marine stationed at the Panama Canal, arguably one of the most fortified positions in the world, outside of the French coast.

So, they both had it pretty easy compared to some.

Hell, the US had it pretty easy compared to most countries. Not to take away from anything, but we had, what, 400-500K casualties? And zero collateral damage. Compared to what the Soviets lost? Can you possibly imagine a war in this day with the death toll that was put up 70 years ago? Even 50 years in Vietnam?
Blows my mind, the scale.
 
2011-12-05 01:11:21 AM
Was there a reason they never tried to raise or salvage the Arizona?
 
2011-12-05 01:14:58 AM
On the morning of 11 May 1945, while supporting the invasion of Okinawa, the Bunker Hill was crashed and severely damaged by two Japanese kamikaze planes. An A6M Zero fighter plane emerged from low cloud cover, dove toward the flight deck and dropped a 550-pound (250 kilogram) bomb that went all the way through the aircraft carrier and then exploded in the ocean. The Zero next crashed onto the carrier's flight deck, destroying parked warplanes full of aviation fuel and ammunition, causing a huge fire. The remains of the Zero went over the deck and dropped into the sea. Then, a short 30 seconds later, a second Zero, piloted by Ensign Kiyoshi Ogawa, plunged into its suicide dive. The Zero went through the antiaircraft fire, dropped a 550-pound bomb, and then crashed into the flight deck near the carrie's "island", as kamikazes were trained to aim for the island superstructure. The bomb penetrated the Bunker Hill's flight deck and exploded. Gasoline fires flamed up and several explosions took place. The crew of the Bunker Hill suffered from the loss of 346 sailors and airmen killed, 43 more missing (and never found), and 264 wounded.

I had a relative who saw those two kamikaze planes on his radar scope. He told his superior officer more than once there were two planes approaching. No other operator saw them.

It turned out his scope was out of sync with everyone else's display.

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2011-12-05 01:16:34 AM
They salvaged the Arizona for guns and whatever is on deck. Put them on other ships during the war. They never raised it because it is a grave to all the sailors still trapped inside.
 
2011-12-05 01:26:51 AM
Thanks for putting up the reference to the USS Bunker Hill. My dad served on it, but after the attack and after she was repaired.

There is an excellent book that came out a year ago or so about the Bunker Hill attack.

Dangers Hour: The Story of the USS Bunker Hill and the Kamikazi Pilot Who Crippled Her (new window)
 
2011-12-05 01:55:36 AM
Baz the Spaz: Thanks for putting up the reference to the USS Bunker Hill. My dad served on it, but after the attack and after she was repaired.

There is an excellent book that came out a year ago or so about the Bunker Hill attack.

Dangers Hour: The Story of the USS Bunker Hill and the Kamikazi Pilot Who Crippled Her (new window)


Thanks for the title. I'll have to have a read.

Not having read the book, my relative said the two planes came from the north and the reason why no-one else saw them on their screens was his screen was about 2 or 3 degrees out of sync. I wonder if his story will jibe with the book.

I do know he told his officer he was going to go out on the fan deck of the Oakland--she was a little ways in front of the Bunker Hill--and watch the kamikazes come in.
 
2011-12-05 02:00:47 AM
Darth_Lukecash: My Uncle George Begany was in the Navy stationed at Pearl Harbor, during that historic time.

He never talked about it except saying one thing: "All we could do was stack the bodies."

My uncle went on serving in the Pacific during the war, almost dying of a head wound. He ended up with a metal plate in his skull.

My uncle never complained or expected to be treated any differently than any other servicemen.

=============

At least now, he has a place to put that magnetic St. Christopher statue.
All the dashboards now are plastic.
 
2011-12-05 02:22:42 AM
Just stopped by to say nice headline subby.
 
2011-12-05 02:39:09 AM
I met a Pearl Harbor survivor completely by accident 10 years ago, a couple of days before December 7th. He was wearing a ballcap emblazoned with "USS Downes DD-375 (new window)". I recognized the ship as being one that was at Pearl during the attack. We had a pleasant 15 minute conversation about his time on the ship, and he was actually rather light-hearted about the attack itself. "I didn't know what was going on, there was a lot of shooting and explosions and I just tried to keep my ass from being blown off." Seems he wasn't actually on the ship at the time, since she was in drydock, but sleeping in quarters in the naval yard.

He was a very charming guy, and it pains me that I can't remember his name. I'd be amazed if he was still alive as he seemed to be somewhat frail at the time we met.
 
2011-12-05 05:04:43 AM
Batman may want that back.
 
2011-12-05 06:20:13 AM
Marcintosh: To her dying day my mom hated all japanese and, since she couldn't tell the difference, most other asians as well. She lost quite a few friends, relatives and a boyfriend at Pearl and in the ensuing war.
It was a perfect hate, cultivated over decades.



How did this affect your view of the Japanese and other Asians she hated growing up in such a world?
 
2011-12-05 06:28:01 AM
Daddy portscanner was on a mine sweeper in the Pacific during the island hopping campaign. He spoke very little about it. Once he described the sound of the 14" and 16" shells of the battle ships passing overhead on their way to the islands. Another time he talked about being in the dead zone between the guns of a strafing Japanese plane

Grandpa portscanner got to enjoy some fun playing on a beach....named Utah.
 
2011-12-05 07:07:07 AM
Some years ago, I worked with a fellow that was a Seabee stationed at Pearl Harbor during the attack. During the attack, the people in charge expected that there might be an invasion by Japanese troops, and they sent the Seabees down to the beach to plant dynamite to serve in lieu of land mines. The men waited in the brush with detonators, knowing that they couldn't kill them all and expecting the surviving majority to be mad as hell.
 
2011-12-05 09:02:44 AM
Baz the Spaz: Thanks for putting up the reference to the USS Bunker Hill. My dad served on it, but after the attack and after she was repaired.

There is an excellent book that came out a year ago or so about the Bunker Hill attack.

Dangers Hour: The Story of the USS Bunker Hill and the Kamikazi Pilot Who Crippled Her (new window)


A good friend of mine was a Marine stationed on the Bunker Hill in an AA battery that was hit by one of the bombs. He transferred off that ship a few weeks prior to that attack.

That generation did produce some interesting people and amazing stories. Makes me wonder what the current generations will have to tell about when they are in their 80s.
 
2011-12-05 09:49:15 AM
zato_ichi: Hell, the US had it pretty easy compared to most countries. Not to take away from anything, but we had, what, 400-500K casualties? And zero collateral damage. Compared to what the Soviets lost? Can you possibly imagine a war in this day with the death toll that was put up 70 years ago? Even 50 years in Vietnam?
Blows my mind, the scale.


The US's losses were pretty severe, considering how the entire thing was an offshoot of the trilateral treaty and pent-up European aggression BS from 1912 that started the whole thing. We lost 600,000 men over 30 years to two wars that had nothing to do with us.
 
2011-12-05 11:01:00 AM
The Pearl Harbor Survivors Association is turning over their assets and education mission to The Sons and Daughters of Pearl Harbor Survivors, just as the successor-in-interest to the Grand Army of the Republic (the massive, and politically powerful association of U.S. (not C.S.) veterans of the American Civil War) is the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War. The GAR was disbanded in 1956 when its last member died; two years later, the PHSA was founded.

We now think of veterans' organisations as perpetually-existing, like the American Legion, Disabled American Veterans, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Marine Corps League, et al., and see the PHSA with its eventual extinction a foregone conclusion as a curious anomaly, but that used to be the norm. After a war, campaign, or significant battle, the veterans would form clubs or organisations to commiserate with each other, spend time with people who (unlike their families and other friends) understand, and remember their dead comrades. The American Legion was originally just for veterans of the World War. Well into WWII, they saw the once-mighty GAR's death eminent, and contrasted that with the VWF's perpetual existence model; so the Legion amended their bylaws to admit WWII veterans (and later, others).
 
2011-12-05 12:05:33 PM
This text is now purple: zato_ichi: Hell, the US had it pretty easy compared to most countries. Not to take away from anything, but we had, what, 400-500K casualties? And zero collateral damage. Compared to what the Soviets lost? Can you possibly imagine a war in this day with the death toll that was put up 70 years ago? Even 50 years in Vietnam?
Blows my mind, the scale.

The US's losses were pretty severe, considering how the entire thing was an offshoot of the trilateral treaty and pent-up European aggression BS from 1912 that started the whole thing. We lost 600,000 men over 30 years to two wars that had nothing to do with us.


I redacted the stupid part for you. :)
 
2011-12-07 12:42:26 AM
My grandfather was lucky, he was state side the entire war getting an edumacation in engineering from the Navy that would later allow him to work on putting up the radar chain along the US/Canada border, the B-36 bomber, for Honeywell computers when they still made computer, for IBM in working with the guidance computers for Apollo and so forth. His brother though, also in the navy survived a kamikaze attack that killed half the crew on a destroyer I believe.
 
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