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Picture this: Company executives hide $1,670,000,000 loss from investors. Investigators recommend no charges. "That is up to the company,"
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simplicimus
2011-12-04 09:51:32 PM
Sounds like a simple case of fark you, give me my money.
SchlingFocker
2011-12-04 11:02:33 PM
If this were in China, every executive in the company would have been placed up against the wall and shot.
That's one reason to welcome our Chinese overlords. We peasants won't have it much worse, but we'll start to see some corporate accountability.
Don't Troll Me Bro!
2011-12-04 11:13:12 PM
YOU ES AY!!!! YOU ES AY!!!
RaceDTruck
2011-12-04 11:14:07 PM
What has to happen to get charges pressed against these farkwads?
SchlingFocker
2011-12-04 11:15:27 PM
For those of you who didn't read the article, this happened in Japan.
abb3w
2011-12-04 11:17:49 PM
SchlingFocker
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We peasants won't have it much worse
Aside from the environmental issues.
And certain levels of nepotism may suffice to protect against such percussive downsizing.
Also, at this point China may simply be doing this sort of dishonest bookkeeping on a national scale.
quickdraw
2011-12-04 11:20:31 PM
SchlingFocker
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For those of you who didn't read the article, this happened in Japan.
Thanks for that. I didn't read it because I didn't want to be pissed off for the rest of the night.
bunner
2011-12-04 11:40:23 PM
rosebud_the_sled
2011-12-05 12:00:52 AM
And who is this a surprise to? The yakuza control all Japanese business. They are more infested with corruption than the Italians. It is OK to be a thief and a liar there as long as you keep up a good front.
TheSelphie
2011-12-05 12:13:25 AM
SchlingFocker
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For those of you who didn't read the article, this happened in Japan.
The ex-CEO is British though.
SchlingFocker
2011-12-05 12:15:30 AM
TheSelphie
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The ex-CEO is British though.
Fark, I guess we need to bomb Pearl Harbor!!
Nabb1
2011-12-05 12:21:14 AM
Don't Troll Me Bro!
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YOU ES AY!!!! YOU ES AY!!!
Reading is not something you're really into, is it?
majestic
2011-12-05 12:56:13 AM
"but he later quit and the company conceded it had hid investment losses for as long as two decades."
Big deal. That amounts to, like what, $85 million each year? Our government wastes that on toilet seats each year. Leave this poor guy alone. How could he know?
zerkalo
2011-12-05 12:56:50 AM
Seppuku. it's what for dinner
WhyteRaven74
2011-12-05 01:25:59 AM
SchlingFocker
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For those of you who didn't read the article, this happened in Japan.
In the US we have CEO's destroy tens of billions in retirement savings and screw up the entire financial sector without even being investigated let alone charged with anything or even being held accountable in any way.
MrEricSir
2011-12-05 01:29:16 AM
They just want to let the free market work it out.
SchlingFocker
2011-12-05 01:29:33 AM
WhyteRaven74
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In the US we have CEO's destroy tens of billions in retirement savings and screw up the entire financial sector without even being investigated let alone charged with anything or even being held accountable in any way.
Yes.
doglover
2011-12-05 01:51:25 AM
quickdraw
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SchlingFocker: For those of you who didn't read the article, this happened in Japan.
Thanks for that. I didn't read it because I didn't want to be pissed off for the rest of the night.
And they didn't hide the losses, they hid the executives huge payouts to the yakuza.
This story has BARELY broken water in Japan, but it's gettin' a lot of play in England where the whistleblower is from.
But for those of you who don't know, in Japan everything is a racket. They have the worlds lowest REPORTED crime rate. That doesn't mean it's actually low. They just loves them some loopholes.
bhcompy
2011-12-05 02:21:28 AM
Subby?
Nadie_AZ
2011-12-05 02:31:14 AM
In the book 'Hard Times', one of the people who ran the ill fated NRA stated that the one thing it's failure proved was that companies / industries could not self regulate. At all.
Fun how we learn this time and again.
dumbobruni
2011-12-05 03:34:51 AM
SchlingFocker
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If this were in China, every executive in the company would have been placed up against the wall and shot.
That's one reason to welcome our Chinese overlords. We peasants won't have it much worse, but we'll start to see some corporate accountability.
congratulations on being completely ignorant.
aearra
2011-12-05 04:26:53 AM
Japan. Slavishly following american ways. First baseball now this.
puffy999
2011-12-05 04:49:51 AM
SchlingFocker
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If this were in China, every executive in the company would have been placed up against the wall and shot.
That's one reason to welcome our Chinese overlords. We peasants won't have it much worse, but we'll start to see some corporate accountability.
+1
Arkanaut
2011-12-05 06:43:05 AM
SchlingFocker
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TheSelphie: The ex-CEO is British though.
Fark, I guess we need to bomb Pearl Harbor!!
The British guy was fired by the board after noticing some "discrepancies". The board knew what was going on and paid off the investigators.
hubiestubert
2011-12-05 07:11:47 AM
doglover
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quickdraw: SchlingFocker: For those of you who didn't read the article, this happened in Japan.
Thanks for that. I didn't read it because I didn't want to be pissed off for the rest of the night.
And they didn't hide the losses, they hid the executives huge payouts to the yakuza.
This story has BARELY broken water in Japan, but it's gettin' a lot of play in England where the whistleblower is from.
But for those of you who don't know, in Japan everything is a racket. They have the worlds lowest REPORTED crime rate. That doesn't mean it's actually low. They just loves them some loopholes.
To be fair, the yakuza aren't exactly just thugs with tattoos. The ones who specialize in corporate theft and grift are sophisticated operators who have been dealt in at the basement of a lot of companies to keep order at shareholder meetings, to selling fake stock, to stifling environmental impact studies, or keeping investigators from even looking into books.
And to be fair, the US military pretty much let the yakuza in after WWII. The Yak had been used pretty aggressively by the government as a sort of informal wing to get stuff done. Like the assassination of the Empress of Korea, for starters. And running the drug operations that kept a lot of foreign workers relatively happy. It was only when the government decided to cut the Yakuza out, that they turned to help the Allies--and they did. And when it came time to rebuild, the Yakuza were the folks who corralled the unions, who had the entertainers ready, who got companies in line, who had the black market goods that folks needed, and the drugs that folks wanted. They are pretty much inextricably linked to the business environment in Japan. The Kodama Affair only showed how much in bed that US interests are beholden to them as well. For those who aren't up on the incident, essentially this gangster helped the US suppress dissent in Japan by rooting out anything remotely looking like a Communist. This went for folks who pissed off Kodama as well, who might criticize the growing links to the CIA and Liberal Democratic Party--which was pretty much right wing, anti-communist, and full of head breakers and rabble rousers. He brokered a lot of deals, including the Lockheed sales scandal that ended his official career. But that was only a bit of the shenanigans that goes on behind the scenes.
Kuromaku--black curtains--are the behind the scenes power brokers in Japan, and there are elements that pretty much keep the wheels greased between the Diet and the business community, and the underground as well. There is a lot of movement of cash around the Pacific Rim, the Yakuza pretty much keep it all in order, and what they don't control directly, they tend to blackmail companies to keep quiet about.
It's the sort of elegant solution that the US is miles away from adopting, despite our shifting from a responsibility based culture, to a shame based one. We don't have multiple generations to build in the controls for, which is why you have so many scandals that have to blow up in order to get folks removed. In Japan, the hint of such things can get folks to voluntarily stand down, and it leads to a lot of opportunities to blackmail that don't exist in the US and the West. Not yet, anyhow. But if we continue this slide away from a responsibility based culture, we might be able to rival the Japanese in another hundred years in this...
stuhayes2010
2011-12-05 07:25:35 AM
I am shocked that Olympus had 1.7 billion to lose.
Cinaed
2011-12-05 07:57:35 AM
Um.... no. It sounds like fraud. Prosecute.
I heartily await the day where anyone working in high-level banking, finance, or corporate leadership needs to pass their own version of the bar, maintain a pris-farking-tine degree of professional decorum and practice, and can be removed from acting anywhere within that line of work and suffer criminal penalties if it is shown they have the ethics of a retarded possum.
Jake Havechek
2011-12-05 08:30:46 AM
Is that in the Bushido Code?
abenson
2011-12-05 09:18:28 AM
Everybody shocked of such number of zeros, but almost nobody knows what really had happened.
difference between anthropology psychology
Guuberre
2011-12-05 09:41:35 AM
WhyteRaven74
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SchlingFocker: For those of you who didn't read the article, this happened in Japan.
In the US we have CEO's destroy tens of billions in retirement savings and screw up the entire financial sector without even being investigated let alone charged with anything or even being held accountable in any way.
Aw, Hell - that would get you promoted to Chairman of the Board here in the US.
sethstorm
2011-12-05 10:18:13 AM
Somehow I'm OK with this.
SDRR
2011-12-05 10:38:27 AM
Guuberre
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WhyteRaven74: SchlingFocker: For those of you who didn't read the article, this happened in Japan.
In the US we have CEO's destroy tens of billions in retirement savings and screw up the entire financial sector without even being investigated let alone charged with anything or even being held accountable in any way.
Aw, Hell - that would get
you promoted to Chairman of the Board here in the US.
a prominent seat in the Government, most likely tasked with over seeing the very industry they screwed up.
Geotpf
2011-12-05 11:11:10 AM
TheSelphie
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SchlingFocker: For those of you who didn't read the article, this happened in Japan.
The ex-CEO is British though.
And he's the only reason that this became public. Basically, they somehow hid the losses by buying worthless companies. He went to the board, "Hey guys, what's up with us buying these weird companies?" They told him to not worry his silly British head about it. When he continued to press the issue, they fired him. As it turned out, certain aspects of the deal were under the juristiction of the British government, so he gave them everything he had on it.
I suspect many other Japanese companies have hid losses in a similar manner, they just didn't do something stupid like bringing in a non-Japanese to point out their criminal acts.
FooDog
2011-12-05 11:28:41 AM
TheSelphie
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CEO
Yeah, and he only got to be CEO for eight weeks or so and was summarily fired when he brought up some of these accounting inconsistencies to the board.
moefuggenbrew
2011-12-05 11:42:46 AM
People will keep doing this until they see other people going to jail for doing it.
xria
2011-12-05 12:13:22 PM
I am surprised they would get away with this - the people that stand to lose money if CEOs can do this is rich investors, hence why normally fully disclosing the accounts of a publicly listed company is one of the things rich CEOs can't get away with - because unlike most types of fraud they can commit, this one typical hits other rich people most.
MrEricSir
2011-12-05 03:50:55 PM
Geotpf
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As it turned out, certain aspects of the deal were under the juristiction of the British government, so he gave them everything he had on it.
That part of the story I wasn't aware of.
Good for him then, holding his company accountable for crimes they committed. And if he got fired for standing up for what's right, so be it.
cefm
2011-12-05 05:02:59 PM
One reason why the Japanes economy is stalled in neutral. The government more or less owns the banks, and directs them to make bad loans to major manufacturing companies because it's politically expedient to them. Then when the company doesn't repay, the government either allows the company to hide the loss or bails out the bank with taxpayer funds. This has the double-effect of eliminating competition (smaller honest companies can't compete on price with the big ones who are being subsidized by the govt. and the banks have no money to lend them because they're already over-extended with the bad loans the govt. made them give out) and making everyone extremely suspicious of the companies, the banks and investment in general.
colithian
2011-12-05 06:38:28 PM
And THIS is why laissez-faire anarcho-capitalism is a bad thing.
fredbox
2011-12-05 09:38:10 PM
Wow, this didn't happen in America? I'm expecting the SEC to be labeled a terrorist organization any day now.
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