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NFA [TotalFark]
2011-12-04 02:21:37 PM
"Behind this giant is Cerberus Capital Management"


Chairman of Cerberus Capital Management is John W. Snow who was Secretary of the Treasury under George Bush

The Chairman of Cerberus Financial is Dan Quayle.

Link (new window)

This is a Republican scheme, whatever it is.
 
2011-12-04 03:06:45 PM
There's absolutely no mystery about it. Cerberus started buying up gun companies years ago. They re-branded as Freedom Group to get away from being associated with the car bailouts.
 
2011-12-04 04:23:13 PM
I'd be far more concerned about your right to one man/one vote being taken away then your right to bear arms.
 
2011-12-04 04:37:55 PM
Huh. I assumed I was going to read a worthwhile story and it sadly turned out to be the biggest waste of my time of the day.
 
2011-12-04 04:52:36 PM
NFA: "Behind this giant is Cerberus Capital Management"


Chairman of Cerberus Capital Management is John W. Snow who was Secretary of the Treasury under George Bush

The Chairman of Cerberus Financial is Dan Quayle.

Link (new window)

This is a Republican scheme, whatever it is.


armed rebellion?
 
2011-12-04 05:04:36 PM
NFA: Chairman of Cerberus Capital Management is John W. Snow who was Secretary of the Treasury under George Bush

Meh, Jon Snow was killed by the Night's Watch for being too liberal.
 
2011-12-04 05:07:55 PM
img804.imageshack.us
Don't worry. He has humanity's best interests in mind.
 
2011-12-04 05:10:26 PM
freedom guns
comes in patriotic red white or blue
 
2011-12-04 05:12:56 PM
Wake me when they make a move to corner the market in tinfoil. THEN I will be concerned.
 
2011-12-04 05:15:44 PM
gopher321: I'd be far more concerned about your right to one man/one vote being taken away then your right to bear arms.

In an argument over whether or not voting matters, if only one side has all the firearms, it matters little.
 
2011-12-04 05:16:44 PM
So, soros wants to buy out the industry so he can shut it down?
Yeah. Somehow I don't think that cunning author quite thought his plan through. People like soros don't make money by buying things and shutting them down, they make money by taking the BASF approach to companies - they don't make a lot of the companies they buy, they make them more profitable..
 
2011-12-04 05:19:42 PM
img268.imageshack.us
Cerberus (^)? Was "Hellhound Financial" taken?
 
2011-12-04 05:56:16 PM
Somaticasual: So, soros wants to buy out the industry so he can shut it down?
Yeah. Somehow I don't think that cunning author quite thought his plan through. People like soros don't make money by buying things and shutting them down, they make money by taking the BASF approach to companies - they don't make a lot of the companies they buy, they make them more profitable..


Lots of profit in the rubes buying guns and ammo since they're afraid that Taxfartbama is gonna take 'em away.
 
2011-12-04 05:56:21 PM
Somaticasual: So, soros wants to buy out the industry so he can shut it down?

Read the link again, especially the part at the bottom of the 1st page.
 
2011-12-04 06:00:48 PM
Kurmudgeon: Somaticasual: So, soros wants to buy out the industry so he can shut it down?

Read the link again, especially the part at the bottom of the 1st page.


Fair enough, Mea culpa on the miss there. In that case, just replace "soros" with the actual gentleman's name, and the rest of the point remains the same.
 
2011-12-04 06:13:05 PM
Somaticasual: So, soros wants to buy out the industry so he can shut it down?

Amazing how he can do things that he isn't even involved in. He's the greatest Republican boogieman ever!
 
2011-12-04 06:20:33 PM
Weaver95: NFA: "Behind this giant is Cerberus Capital Management"


Chairman of Cerberus Capital Management is John W. Snow who was Secretary of the Treasury under George Bush

The Chairman of Cerberus Financial is Dan Quayle.

Link (new window)

This is a Republican scheme, whatever it is.

armed rebellion?


Gottschalks

/John Brunner
 
2011-12-04 06:30:54 PM
I just wish they hadn't bought Marlin. Marlin was one of America's largest rifle manufacturers, and they made a great product. Then Remington [aka Freedom Group (aka Cerberus)] buys them out, closes their factory in Illinois and moves it to NY, where the QC goes to shiat and they start turning out bogus products.

At least in the firearms world they tend to have good quality warranties on their products (because of heavy amounts of liability) and they have basically been re-doing the QC at the new plant. However this has caused a drought of Marlin rifles as the entire distribution pipeline has dried up during the QC fix.

CSB/
I sent a rifle back to Marlin during the Remington takeover because it had been shipped with a cracked stock. When we got the rifle back they had put a new piece of wood on it with a crack near a different screw. By the time we got them to send us a stock that wasn't cracked they were shipping from the NY plant. The wood was ill-fit, the color and grain on the buttstock did not match that of the forend and the sling studs were mounted off-center.
/CSB

Not a fan of Cerberus/Freedom Group. Remington, Dakota, and DPMS all used to be great american manufacturers.
 
2011-12-04 06:39:13 PM
There is a core element of the political right that is so disconnected from reality that it's not the least bit surprising they'd suspect some liberal plot to disarm them in this. In reality they have far more to fear from Wall St. They love to squeeze more profits out of an industry by merging small companies, cutting down the product line and reducing R&D, and moving production to China.
 
2011-12-04 06:48:15 PM
GAT_00: Somaticasual: So, soros wants to buy out the industry so he can shut it down?

Amazing how he can do things that he isn't even involved in. He's the greatest Republican boogieman ever!


img.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-04 07:16:14 PM
I'd say that's a pretty good move on their part as about the only things that are selling are guns and ammo.
 
2011-12-04 07:28:06 PM
Article is old news. This was headlined when Chrysler got bailed out. This company buys failing companies that they feel are American icon name brands (like Chrysler and Remington Arms). They then try to make the company profitable again. Remington was the unusual purchase because they were owned by Dupont and thus not "failing." There's nothing new about this company and they are far from liberal.
 
2011-12-04 07:30:05 PM
bill_01915: There is a core element of the political right that is so disconnected from reality that it's not the least bit surprising they'd suspect some liberal plot to disarm them in this. In reality they have far more to fear from Wall St. They love to squeeze more profits out of an industry by merging small companies, cutting down the product line and reducing R&D, and moving production to China.

As a member of the political right... THIS.

1. Buy a respected but troubled company for cheap
2. Dismantle and sell it for scrap (lay off all the workers, sell real estate off, sell off equipment, license the brand name to some shiatty Chinese manufacturer(s))
3. PROFIT!

Economic vampires.
 
2011-12-04 08:00:30 PM
bill_01915: There is a core element of the political right that is so disconnected from reality that it's not the least bit surprising they'd suspect some liberal plot to disarm them in this. In reality they have far more to fear from Wall St. They love to squeeze more profits out of an industry by merging small companies, cutting down the product line and reducing R&D, and moving production to China.

On the other hand, the Boobies (hello filter) in this thread imagines that this is some Republican plot. Same story, different boogieman. It's like a Rorschach test.
 
2011-12-04 08:19:26 PM
casual disregard: NFA: Chairman of Cerberus Capital Management is John W. Snow who was Secretary of the Treasury under George Bush

Meh, Jon Snow was killed by the Night's Watch for being too liberal.


you owe me half a rootbeer.
 
2011-12-04 08:28:48 PM
somemoron: 1. Buy a respected but troubled company for cheap
2. Dismantle and sell it for scrap (lay off all the workers, sell real estate off, sell off equipment, license the brand name to some shiatty Chinese manufacturer(s))
3. PROFIT!


Worked for Harman Group.
 
2011-12-04 08:29:00 PM
Ned Stark: casual disregard: NFA: Chairman of Cerberus Capital Management is John W. Snow who was Secretary of the Treasury under George Bush

Meh, Jon Snow was killed by the Night's Watch for being too liberal.

you owe me half a rootbeer.


Wow, Ned. I would have thought you'd take the violent death of your alleged bastard son a little harder.
 
2011-12-04 08:32:23 PM
RocketRod: [img268.imageshack.us image 320x209]
Cerberus (^)? Was "Hellhound Financial" taken?


No, it was deemed too cartoon-villain-y and should be reserved for the conspiracy's next step: indoctrinating anklebiters via colourful cartoons that make no sense.
 
2011-12-04 08:34:17 PM
www.parallaxtactical.com

The cure for the common Freedom Arms portfolio weapon.

/and my early 90s era Marlin 60, that thing rocks
 
2011-12-04 08:39:18 PM
Unimpressed Man: I just wish they hadn't bought Marlin. Marlin was one of America's largest rifle manufacturers, and they made a great product. Then Remington [aka Freedom Group (aka Cerberus)] buys them out, closes their factory in Illinois and moves it to NY, where the QC goes to shiat and they start turning out bogus products.

At least in the firearms world they tend to have good quality warranties on their products (because of heavy amounts of liability) and they have basically been re-doing the QC at the new plant. However this has caused a drought of Marlin rifles as the entire distribution pipeline has dried up during the QC fix.

CSB/
I sent a rifle back to Marlin during the Remington takeover because it had been shipped with a cracked stock. When we got the rifle back they had put a new piece of wood on it with a crack near a different screw. By the time we got them to send us a stock that wasn't cracked they were shipping from the NY plant. The wood was ill-fit, the color and grain on the buttstock did not match that of the forend and the sling studs were mounted off-center.
/CSB

Not a fan of Cerberus/Freedom Group. Remington, Dakota, and DPMS all used to be great american manufacturers.


So, time to start a gun company?
 
2011-12-04 09:24:01 PM
It would be funny and a little ironic if it was capitalism that took away people's right to bear arms.
 
2011-12-04 09:39:36 PM
Fish in a Barrel: Ned Stark: casual disregard: NFA: Chairman of Cerberus Capital Management is John W. Snow who was Secretary of the Treasury under George Bush

Meh, Jon Snow was killed by the Night's Watch for being too liberal.

you owe me half a rootbeer.

Wow, Ned. I would have thought you'd take the violent death of your alleged bastard son a little harder.


after that kerfuffle in kings landing i dont get upset about anything anymore. its like a weight was lifted off my shoulders.
 
2011-12-04 10:02:25 PM
Step 1: Buy up all the gun manufacturers while scaring the public into believing that the black Democratic president is going to take away their guns with his UN black helicopters.

Step 2: Make record profits

Step 3: Use said profits to influence the coming election

Step 4: If the election does not result in a Republican president, begin a whisper campaign suggesting that gun manufacturers are being pressured to cease manufacturing while increasingly limiting gun manufacturing driving the right wing gun nuts to a frenzy

Step 5: After the civil war ends, either rebuild America as a Randian paradise or enjoy the short time you have left before getting lined up against the wall.
 
2011-12-04 10:18:05 PM
Weaver95: armed rebellion?

Oh for f*cks sake, shut up.
 
2011-12-04 10:34:34 PM
enry: Lots of profit in the rubes buying guns and ammo since they're afraid that Taxfartbama is gonna take 'em away.

You do know there is also another increase of gun sales going on right now right? And this time it is not so much dominated by existing gun owners getting friends, family and themselves to buy up guns for fear of a Obama seize, but brand new never before owned guns people? In the midst of a severe recession people are on a buying spree right now that would make other industries green with envy if anyone was paying attention, sales are not dropping as the 'Obama threat' lessens, but actually are increasing again?

Maybe, just maybe you need to pull your head out of the sand. Stop doing the stupid american thing and start thinking and seeing. This country knows things are not right, people in huge numbers are arming themselves, and they are not all republican ferrets by a long shot. Might wana think about that.
 
2011-12-04 10:36:53 PM
The more the company diversifies its portfolio, analysts say, the more it has to offer to firearms distributors and leading retailers like Wal-Mart and Cabela's.

I'm not happy with this.

Over the last 30 years I've watched the economy plunge as powerful corporations bought up everything they possibly could. In a lot of instances, corporate raiders bought companies just to fire everyone, sell off the assets and dispose of the land. In other instances they closed local manufacturers, unemployed thousands and shipped the jobs overseas, usually to China.

When the FCC loosened regulations over the ownership of radio stations, ClearChannel popped up, buying up stations across the country and basically creating major suckage since one entity now controlled them all.

Pressure by powerful companies caused the FCC to relax the regulations on TV commercials, allowing for the much hated infomercial to clog the channels at night and the infamous 'mini-infomercial' to annoy viewers. (That's the two minute spot shilling some cheap krap before the OTHER 2 minute spot with the normal 8, 15 second commercials -- giving you 4 minutes all totaled of being annoyed.) Your cable carrier has NO CONTROL over these.

I don't suppose any of you recall when Barnett Bank went and grabbed up every, small home town bank they possibly could, which resulted in higher fees for the customers and more restrictions? A small but nice local bank in my city was bought out, then bought out again, then again and once more. Now, it's not so nice.

I don't suppose any of you know about that group which, for the past 5 years or so, has been quietly buying up US Nuclear power plants? In several cases they made them better, more efficient and safer. However, currently they now own a large percentage of these plants which contribute previously cheap power to the US power grids.

Several Made In America, reliable brand names were 'bought out' -- well, their reputable names were. Like Westinghause and General Electric. They used to be among a small group of reliable manufacturers which produced reliable products for the home. Now, the label might say 'Westinghause' but the product itself was made overseas by $4.00 an hour labor and iffy quality control.

I used to be able to walk into a dealership of my choosing, and, if I could afford it, buy a brand new car. Currently I don't know of ANY dealership that will do more than LEASE and brand new car to you. Meaning, they own it until the lease is up. THEN, you have the option to actually buy it.

Leasing killed the first, efficient and likable electric car made by GM. The EV1. Nearly overnight the car was recalled, owners who didn't want to part with them and even made offers to buy them outright, were forced to give them up. No one knows why, but the EV1 hit the metal shredders faster than any car recall ever. I don't think there's even one left in a museum. Collectors, to my knowledge, could not even find ways to keep one.

Randolph Hearst bought up newspapers until he basically controlled the news. Then he bought up pulp paper plants and logging companies until he owned a major percentage of US paper production. Various restrictions on the ownership of news media were put into place by congress years ago (weakened today by the FCC) because his papers printed what he told them to. Often, biased. He also managed to get pot made illegal in the us, because hemp made for cheaper paper and would have cut into his major logging enterprises.

Walmart managed to get popular brand names to cheapen their products by buying huge amounts of them. Like Black and Decker. However, it was just following the same process invented by K-mart. All in the name of profit. If you want a Black and Decker drill to last years, buy it from a hardware store at a considerably greater price. If you want it to last basically months, go to K-mart or Walmart and buy the same drill much cheaper. The changes are on the inside.

Then there was that whole thing about a major agricultural company buying up every independent farm it could which eventually resulted in higher food prices. The farms it couldn't buy, it supplied with genetically modified seeds -- which produced no viable seeds after planting so farmers could not hold some back to reduce their next crops seed bill.

So, when I start seeing major corporations suddenly popping up and buying out everything I tend to get concerned. Usually, it means that prices are going to go up for consumers.
 
2011-12-04 10:46:26 PM
So the fark what? With a very few exceptions, new American guns haven't been truly top-notch as far as quality goes in ages. The Germans have always made better guns than us anyway, and there is nothing whatsoever preventing someone from manufacturing high quality weapons in their own garage/workshop, so I really can't say that I have all that big a problem with this.
 
2011-12-04 10:54:38 PM
gopher321: I'd be far more concerned about your right to one man/one vote being taken away then your right to bear arms.

They already have... DIEBOLD

 
2011-12-04 10:59:32 PM
Rik01: The more the company diversifies its portfolio, analysts say, the more it has to offer to firearms distributors and leading retailers like Wal-Mart and Cabela's.

I'm not happy with this.

Over the last 30 years I've watched the economy plunge as powerful corporations bought up everything they possibly could. In a lot of instances, corporate raiders bought companies just to fire everyone, sell off the assets and dispose of the land. In other instances they closed local manufacturers, unemployed thousands and shipped the jobs overseas, usually to China.

When the FCC loosened regulations over the ownership of radio stations, ClearChannel popped up, buying up stations across the country and basically creating major suckage since one entity now controlled them all.

Pressure by powerful companies caused the FCC to relax the regulations on TV commercials, allowing for the much hated infomercial to clog the channels at night and the infamous 'mini-infomercial' to annoy viewers. (That's the two minute spot shilling some cheap krap before the OTHER 2 minute spot with the normal 8, 15 second commercials -- giving you 4 minutes all totaled of being annoyed.) Your cable carrier has NO CONTROL over these.

I don't suppose any of you recall when Barnett Bank went and grabbed up every, small home town bank they possibly could, which resulted in higher fees for the customers and more restrictions? A small but nice local bank in my city was bought out, then bought out again, then again and once more. Now, it's not so nice.

I don't suppose any of you know about that group which, for the past 5 years or so, has been quietly buying up US Nuclear power plants? In several cases they made them better, more efficient and safer. However, currently they now own a large percentage of these plants which contribute previously cheap power to the US power grids.

Several Made In America, reliable brand names were 'bought out' -- well, their reputable names were. Like Westinghause and General Electric. They used to be among a small group of reliable manufacturers which produced reliable products for the home. Now, the label might say 'Westinghause' but the product itself was made overseas by $4.00 an hour labor and iffy quality control.

I used to be able to walk into a dealership of my choosing, and, if I could afford it, buy a brand new car. Currently I don't know of ANY dealership that will do more than LEASE and brand new car to you. Meaning, they own it until the lease is up. THEN, you have the option to actually buy it.

Leasing killed the first, efficient and likable electric car made by GM. The EV1. Nearly overnight the car was recalled, owners who didn't want to part with them and even made offers to buy them outright, were forced to give them up. No one knows why, but the EV1 hit the metal shredders faster than any car recall ever. I don't think there's even one left in a museum. Collectors, to my knowledge, could not even find ways to keep one.

Randolph Hearst bought up newspapers until he basically controlled the news. Then he bought up pulp paper plants and logging companies until he owned a major percentage of US paper production. Various restrictions on the ownership of news media were put into place by congress years ago (weakened today by the FCC) because his papers printed what he told them to. Often, biased. He also managed to get pot made illegal in the us, because hemp made for cheaper paper and would have cut into his major logging enterprises.

Walmart managed to get popular brand names to cheapen their products by buying huge amounts of them. Like Black and Decker. However, it was just following the same process invented by K-mart. All in the name of profit. If you want a Black and Decker drill to last years, buy it from a hardware store at a considerably greater price. If you want it to last basically months, go to K-mart or Walmart and buy the same drill much cheaper. The changes are on the inside.

Then there was that whole thing about a major agricultural company buying up every independent farm it could which eventually ...


Silence! You were told to keep your mouth shut just like I was.
We were also told to only say so much truth that we wouldn't be believed.
/You're saying so much truth you are going to scare away those who can change things!
 
2011-12-04 11:35:34 PM
Welcome to what happened in every other industry over the last 15 years. An individual or institution with a lot of assets seeks out private companies, buys them, and then tries to flip them real quick to make some money. What's happening with Cerberus and these gun companies is Cerberus bought up a bunch of companies outright, taking on their debt, and then to make a quick buck they're consolidating all of their operations. This meant closing factories with skilled machinists, moving entire production lines, and consolidating operations in new locations, with a new workforce. One need only google "Remington/Marlin/Bushmaster/DPMS Quality Control" to get an idea for how well it's turning out.

People are comparing it to what happened to Harley Davidson in the 70s. The good news is that there are still tons of gun makers that haven't fallen victim to Cerberus. Springfield Armory, Smith and Wesson, Colt, Ruger, Mossberg, etc., are all independently run.
 
2011-12-05 01:27:22 AM
Rik01: The more the company diversifies its portfolio, analysts say, the more it has to offer to firearms distributors and leading retailers like Wal-Mart and Cabela's.

I'm not happy with this.

Over the last 30 years I've watched the economy plunge as powerful corporations bought up everything they possibly could. In a lot of instances, corporate raiders bought companies just to fire everyone, sell off the assets and dispose of the land. In other instances they closed local manufacturers, unemployed thousands and shipped the jobs overseas, usually to China.

When the FCC loosened regulations over the ownership of radio stations, ClearChannel popped up, buying up stations across the country and basically creating major suckage since one entity now controlled them all.

Pressure by powerful companies caused the FCC to relax the regulations on TV commercials, allowing for the much hated infomercial to clog the channels at night and the infamous 'mini-infomercial' to annoy viewers. (That's the two minute spot shilling some cheap krap before the OTHER 2 minute spot with the normal 8, 15 second commercials -- giving you 4 minutes all totaled of being annoyed.) Your cable carrier has NO CONTROL over these.

I don't suppose any of you recall when Barnett Bank went and grabbed up every, small home town bank they possibly could, which resulted in higher fees for the customers and more restrictions? A small but nice local bank in my city was bought out, then bought out again, then again and once more. Now, it's not so nice.

I don't suppose any of you know about that group which, for the past 5 years or so, has been quietly buying up US Nuclear power plants? In several cases they made them better, more efficient and safer. However, currently they now own a large percentage of these plants which contribute previously cheap power to the US power grids.

Several Made In America, reliable brand names were 'bought out' -- well, their reputable names were. Like Westinghause and General Electric. They used to be among a small group of reliable manufacturers which produced reliable products for the home. Now, the label might say 'Westinghause' but the product itself was made overseas by $4.00 an hour labor and iffy quality control.

I used to be able to walk into a dealership of my choosing, and, if I could afford it, buy a brand new car. Currently I don't know of ANY dealership that will do more than LEASE and brand new car to you. Meaning, they own it until the lease is up. THEN, you have the option to actually buy it.

Leasing killed the first, efficient and likable electric car made by GM. The EV1. Nearly overnight the car was recalled, owners who didn't want to part with them and even made offers to buy them outright, were forced to give them up. No one knows why, but the EV1 hit the metal shredders faster than any car recall ever. I don't think there's even one left in a museum. Collectors, to my knowledge, could not even find ways to keep one.

Randolph Hearst bought up newspapers until he basically controlled the news. Then he bought up pulp paper plants and logging companies until he owned a major percentage of US paper production. Various restrictions on the ownership of news media were put into place by congress years ago (weakened today by the FCC) because his papers printed what he told them to. Often, biased. He also managed to get pot made illegal in the us, because hemp made for cheaper paper and would have cut into his major logging enterprises.

Walmart managed to get popular brand names to cheapen their products by buying huge amounts of them. Like Black and Decker. However, it was just following the same process invented by K-mart. All in the name of profit. If you want a Black and Decker drill to last years, buy it from a hardware store at a considerably greater price. If you want it to last basically months, go to K-mart or Walmart and buy the same drill much cheaper. The changes are on the inside.

Then there was that whole thing about a major agricultural company buying up every independent farm it could which eventually ...


Umm... If you can't find a dealership to actually sell you a car, maybe your credit sucks and it's not some weird conspiracy...
 
2011-12-05 01:36:42 AM
Rik01: The more the company diversifies its portfolio, analysts say, the more it has to offer to firearms distributors and leading retailers like Wal-Mart and Cabela's.

I'm not happy with this.

(insert wharrgarbl diarrhea)

So, when I start seeing major corporations suddenly popping up and buying out everything I tend to get concerned. Usually, it means that prices are going to go up for consumers.


i173.photobucket.com

When big companies and top-tier products go to shiat, it's an opportunity for the little guy to grab market share. This is a good thing.

Also, since most of your derptastic post was about legacy media, there's this new thing called the internet, which is only in danger of oppressive government control.

The threat is the government, not the corporations.
 
2011-12-05 04:12:56 AM
They are just preparing for the coming Reaper invasion.
 
2011-12-05 06:01:32 AM
so......

I've been wanting to get a 6.8mm and was thinking of Bushmaster because so many people have them and love them

and then I read this and wonder if that's not the best choice.
 
2011-12-05 06:10:02 AM
enry: Somaticasual: So, soros wants to buy out the industry so he can shut it down?
Yeah. Somehow I don't think that cunning author quite thought his plan through. People like soros don't make money by buying things and shutting them down, they make money by taking the BASF approach to companies - they don't make a lot of the companies they buy, they make them more profitable..

Lots of profit in the rubes buying guns and ammo since they're afraid that Taxfartbama is gonna take 'em away.


Does this mean Dan Quayle and John Snow think Obama will win the 2012 election?
 
2011-12-05 07:25:23 AM
Reports are the quality of just about everything Cerberus/Freedom group owns is going in the crapper. I tend to agree, handling some recent rifles and pistols compared to how they "used to" make them, couple that with amount of complaints on the various gun forums, I would say they will wind up running some good companies into the ground.

It will be good for outfits that are not affiliated with them in the long run.
 
2011-12-05 08:10:38 AM
And the only people who care for this are some presshogs in San Francisco?

Stop being silly, SFGate. The mean heterosexuals don't want to invade you. Your town has no strategic value. If anyone remembers from the nineties, Quayle had the tactical prowess of an eggplant. Course, if any of us could remember the nineties, Newt Gingrich would have been set on fire as a warning to the other Republicans.
 
2011-12-05 08:31:03 AM
MurphyMurphy: so......

I've been wanting to get a 6.8mm and was thinking of Bushmaster because so many people have them and love them

and then I read this and wonder if that's not the best choice.


Go LMT.
 
2011-12-05 08:53:29 AM
Fish in a Barrel: Ned Stark: casual disregard: NFA: Chairman of Cerberus Capital Management is John W. Snow who was Secretary of the Treasury under George Bush

Meh, Jon Snow was killed by the Night's Watch for being too liberal.

you owe me half a rootbeer.

Wow, Ned. I would have thought you'd take the violent death of your alleged bastard son a little harder.


He needn't be worried. Melisandre is near and she will probably just resurrect him. He will come back stronger and the wildlings will be in awe and follow him with a fanatical fervor.
 
2011-12-05 09:10:22 AM
This is a good thing. The "guns" this monolith is making are crap and it wont take very long for these brands to develop "Harley Davidson syndrome."

The ever growing small maker side of the gun market just got it's Christmas present.

The rubes will still buy the name brands at Y'all Mart but these people aren't going to buy real guns to begin with so screw 'em.

Just like the huge beer outfits made so much crap beer that finally the craft beer industry took them to the wood shed much the same will likey happen here.

The same thing happened to US guitar makers in the 60's and 70's. The holding Co's. ran them into the ground, small makers popped up and kicked but and finally the big boys had to get their act together and the overall industry benefitted.
 
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