Wow, a whole one or two beers?

What's the BAC law in Australia? Because:

"There's a possibility if you have one or two beers, it might get you below the limit in 45 minutes," he said

...one or two beers wouldn't get most people TO the limit in 45 mins in the U.S.

Fusel alcohols are the devil! I just pulled this from Wiki:

There is a popular belief that fusel alcohol contributes to hangover symptoms. One study indicated that fusel alcohol has no more significant undesirable health effects (headache, nausea, etc.) than ethanol, the primary active ingredient in all alcoholic beverages.[2] This study involved an animal model of hangover, and its significance in humans is unclear.

I call B.S. A recent batch of stout of mine was subjected to two days of 78 degrees when it was fermenting in an upstairs closet when the A/C was turned off. (It also contains 2 pounds of honey). I didn't give it much thought.

Although tasty and delicious, two will give me a noticeable headache. 3 is RIGHT OUT. I'll feel like caca the whole next day.

I'm not "enraged" because this will encourage drunk driving because it helps "cure hangovers." I'm enraged because this is more woo-woo fake medicine that will not do what it claims, so people will think they're not drunk when they are. And yes, he does say that this is more to prevent hangovers, but it's not going to do that, either. Way too many "mights" and "possibilities" in his rhetoric.

Mugato: There is only one hangover cure. More alcohol. And eventually water. And don't mix beer and liquor the night before. I only drink vodka and never get hangovers so nya.

You can mix the two if you don't drink too much of it. From what I've seen in my relatively short life, most of the people who claim not to get hangovers either don't drink enough alcohol a night to get a hangover or just sleep long enough to not realize it's gone by the time they wake up. Of course there are the freaks that can quaff a full fifth of dark eyes vodka and wake up 5 hours later completely sober and go for a 10 mile run. No one likes those people.

One or two beers doesn't make anybody unsafe to drive... with the possible exception of small girls who barely break 100 lbs.

flucto: Stupid tag must be for submitter because they clearly have a point given the moronic statement of the product's marketing director:

He said while he had not yet had it scientifically tested, he believed it had the potential to lower blood alcohol levels within the hour.

"There's a possibility if you have one or two beers, it might get you below the limit in 45 minutes," he said.

go read the faq on the website. no where does it says it will get you under the limit or help you if you are drunk to get sober faster. everything refers to the hangover part. This thing is to help your hangover. and that's a pretty good product to exist since hangovers suck. even the director said he's done no tests and he cant say that it will speed up the reduction of your BAC. He thinks it might, but that's not the purpose of the drink. In fact the only reason it's been brought up as far as I can see, is because the media specifically asked him. It's not being promoted to help you avoid drunk driving. and I wouldn't consider his statement to be moronic because he was speculating in response to the question posed. It's not like his quote will be on the advertising.

What the groups are outraged about is off label use. it happens a lot. Not the fault of the manufacturer. Not their responsibility either.

Trance750: and if the hangover wasen't bad enough, I also had a 6 hour plane ride that day.

I never prayed for death so hard, in my life.



Now boarding...

I'm not sure that I'd want to drink something that affects my liver function.

Well, apart from a nice Saint Emilion, that is.

You HAVE to drink and drive, how else do you get the car home? Now if you're running out of the place squirting puke through your fingers, maybe you should wait a bit.

GDubDub: What's the BAC law in Australia? Because:

"There's a possibility if you have one or two beers, it might get you below the limit in 45 minutes," he said

...one or two beers wouldn't get most people TO the limit in 45 mins in the U.S.

0.05 unless it varies by state. 0.02 if you're still on a probationary license. I guess there's also the potential that the beer is different, or that the statement is just plain wrong. I've never been tested and don't drive at all if I can help it, nor do I actually keep track of what I drank in what time.

I mix liquor and beer, and yep, with my buddies I do drink a good amount (beers, shots, etc), but I also don't get hangovers. I used to, but all I do now is drink water along with the alcohol, and a good amount of water before I even start. I just don't get hangovers anymore, and the only thing I changed was my water intake. YMMV, but it worked for me.

The best cure for a hangover is a greasy pork sandwich served in a dirty ashtray.

flucto: lostinjersey: go read the faq on the website. no where does it says it will get you under the limit or help you if you are drunk to get sober faster. everything refers to the hangover part. This thing is to help your hangover. and that's a pretty good product to exist since hangovers suck. even the director said he's done no tests and he cant say that it will speed up the reduction of your BAC. He thinks it might, but that's not the purpose of the drink. In fact the only reason it's been brought up as far as I can see, is because the media specifically asked him. It's not being promoted to help you avoid drunk driving. and I wouldn't consider his statement to be moronic because he was speculating in response to the question posed. It's not like his quote will be on the advertising.

Weak. Is that how they're covering their asses? "Well sure the product' marketing director makes vague statements about how it might sober you up but check the FAQ on our website, we're totally above board."

They aren't particularly exact in the article about when he said it, either. It might have been the attempt from the non-scientist advertising guy to explain this to a journalist for all we know, not what they're actually putting in ads or on the product. And hell, according to the government pamphlets I got in highschool and some other place I forget now, you lose two "standard drinks" in the first hour anyway (and one every hour thereafter), so if you've had two beers and wait 45 minutes, his magic drink shouldn't even have to do anything to put you under the limit. Assuming two beers put you over it.

Um... I don't think alcohol being broken down faster will lessen a hangover. It may help with the dehydration part, but there's still the matter of other hangover contributers: congeners (fermentation byproducts) and acetaldehyde (byproduct of alcohol after it's been metabolized)

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flucto: Weak. Is that how they're covering their asses? "Well sure the product' marketing director makes vague statements about how it might sober you up but check the FAQ on our website, we're totally above board."

my point is the subject (and his *opinion*) wouldn't have come up if he hadn't have been asked. the issue was never there till the groups raised it. he makes no claim that it has any effect on sobering up nor is it marketed that way. stating your opinion once to a direct question does not equal taking out ads or saying on the side of the can "hey guess what our product does, go buy it and it'll help!" By your logic any urban legend about X product that helps you avoid being busted for DWI should be banned too. mythbusters covered this, pretty much ruled them all bullshiat, but that doesn't stop people from trying. ergo, let's ban batteries, cough drops, mouthwash and onions for their potential off label use for this purpose.

on their website it says "Security Feel Better does not prevent alcohol intoxication and is not intended to treat, cure or prevent the consequences of consumption of excessive alcohol." Clearly that means nothing to you.

So let's sum up. It's a legal product. It's not being marketed in the way that promotes use to reduce BAC and even states as such. You don't like it because people may try to use it that way. That would be stupid and unfortunate, so on this I think we do agree. But do we *do* about this? Nothing. it's a legal product, marketed appropriately. remember that his statement is not marketing and in fact the uproar about it has probably brought drawn more attention to this then if they'd have STFU. As an example see the barbara streisand effect.

No guarantee that the enzyme supposedly contained in the drink will survive any the digestive processes that break down enzymes. There's a reason you don't drink insulin.

""There's a possibility if you have one or two beers, it might get you below the limit in 45 minutes," he said. "

There you have it. All the butthurt from these groups is over the possible disruption of the revenue stream from fines, alcohol classes,etc

Always follow the money

casual disregard: My experience has been that once you hit hangover point, only time will heal it.

I've found that I can prevent many of the symptoms of a hangover by drinking 6 or 8 ounces of water between alcoholic beverages.

Of course, not drinking to blackout helps, too.

There will be a certain nonchalance is ignoring your advice. Drinking water almost always help.

Anybody who says they don't get hangovers I dare you to drink a full bottle of red wine to yourself and come back and say you don't get hangovers!

Idiocy of this product's marketeer aside, let's not forget that anti-drunk driving groups aren't the saints they would like everyone to see them as. Classic example of taking a good cause and then making it about themselves.

Let's get to the point. Does the drink work? Because I need to know.

Like my old civics teacher used to say, give coffee to drunks. It doesn't sober them up, but at least they are awake drunks and don't pass out on your floor.

BlippityBleep: One or two beers doesn't make anybody unsafe to drive... with the possible exception of small girls who barely break 100 lbs.

Or if those 2 beers are Dogfish Head 90 minute

flucto: doglover: Lighten up, Francis. That breeze you felt just now? That was the joke zooming over you head.

Will never "lighten up" on this subject and you wouldn't either if you were me.

I'm going to assume by that comment that you or someone you know were injured/killed by a drunk driver. If so, my sympathies. However, that is the problem with most legislation, it is appealing to emotions, which have NO PLACE in legislation. The anecdotes about guys getting DUIs for sleeping it off in their cars? You know, doing a responsible thing, getting farked over for it? They were put in that position by legislation pushed by emotion. Just like "For the Children" stuff... it's of no use to a rational society.

Where wolf: ZAZ: A former coworker told me the hangover cure he got from his Army days: saline IV. I forget if he was a medic or just worked with them. You get rehydrated without having to keep anything in your stomach.

Banana bags are even better than straight saline. I can't wait until my wife gets out of med school and can write scripts for them. Well, here's to hoping she can....

My biggest issue with hangovers isn't general malaise or headaches or anything. It's nausea. Don't know if saline or banana bags can get rid of that.

Let me guess.

If there were a pill that would instantly make you sober, no matter how much alcohol you consumed, some would have a problem with it.

Some people are just dicks.

All this arguing back and forth makes for some interesting reading, but the question in my mind is this: will this product encourage someone who's clearly an alcoholic to believe that he can safely get behind the wheel without endangering other motorists? I can almost envision some drunk challenging an arresting officer on his BAC, claiming that he'd just consumed Security Feel Better and that the car-full of people he just killed were the ones at fault.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Not as stupid as the anti-smoking groups that are anti-e-cigs.

But still, kinda stupid.

redmid17: Mugato: There is only one hangover cure. More alcohol. And eventually water. And don't mix beer and liquor the night before. I only drink vodka and never get hangovers so nya.

You can mix the two if you don't drink too much of it. From what I've seen in my relatively short life, most of the people who claim not to get hangovers either don't drink enough alcohol a night to get a hangover or just sleep long enough to not realize it's gone by the time they wake up. Of course there are the freaks that can quaff a full fifth of dark eyes vodka and wake up 5 hours later completely sober and go for a 10 mile run. No one likes those people.

So I used to be one of those people. Older now and out of drinking-to-get-drunk practice, so not as much.

Yeah, I got up at 7 AM, which pissed off my roommates at first... but then I would drive everyone to the diner. Oh, and I'd clean up all the bottles and cans from the night before and tidy shiat up since it was 8 AM,. I couldn't sleep, and dammit I might as well do something.

Kinda miss those days.

Oh wow, not just me then?! excellent!! been to many an 'all night' party with some Irish people I knew and had drinking contests with my bf's dad and way too much fun... everyone was asleep by 4am and I was still going strong at 6am when I finally crashed out. I woke up three hours later and tidied everything up so there was little for my bf's parents to do when they got up except ask me if that really was alcohol I was drinking the night before!
Didn't get a single headache *at all* nothing even vaguely resembling a hangover...
At my 21st, I was drinking doubles, trebles and cocktails all night and woke up the following morning as normal and got to work only to be asked what I drank (which I could remember) and my boss not believing me until one of the other workplaces down the road confirmed it hah! My boss then came over to me and patted me on the back he said I didn't look like someone who can drink like a fish!
Nowadays? I don't even touch alcohol. Just gone right off it.

secret? glass of milk before I went out and a good strong sweet milky coffee when I got home and on waking, a slightly-sweeter-than-usual coffee...

But if I got more than 6 hours without a coffee, I get a headache that lasts up to four days...

Oh, and if anybody wants super fast hydration but you don't have access to an IV, all you have to do is stick a collapsible 2 quart canteen up your butt and squeeze! Your colon instantly absorbs the water and 10 minutes later you'll feel great!

ChuDogg: Oh, and if anybody wants super fast hydration but you don't have access to an IV, all you have to do is stick a collapsible 2 quart canteen up your butt and squeeze! Your colon instantly absorbs the water and 10 minutes later you'll feel great!

Make sure to remove the butt plug and lube up first. Otherwise it can lead to some chafing later on in the day.