It's a cold day in hell: I'm on the same side of a political issue as Rand Paul.

jake3_14: It's a cold day in hell: I'm on the same side of a political issue as Rand Paul.

So is BERNIE SANDERS.

Think about that one.

Congratulations you now have less rights than a working class english person. in 1214.

cameroncrazy1984: jake3_14: It's a cold day in hell: I'm on the same side of a political issue as Rand Paul.

So is BERNIE SANDERS.

Think about that one.

Yeah, the 7 people who voted against that bill are a nice combination of WTF.

I will never vote for a single one of the mother f@ckers on that vote list. EVER AGAIN!


If Obama veto's this successfully, I will vote for him in 2012 (I didn't vote for him last time) and I will encourage everyone I know to vote for him. If he veto's this travesty, he'll prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he is among a hand full of politicians in Washington with a backbone.

what the war on drugs started, the war on terror is going to finish.

Think about it - road side checkpoints, no knock warrants, midnight raids, militarization of law enforcement, weak protection of civilian civil rights, more and more restrictions, more and more close monitoring of citizen actions. that's what the war on drugs did to us. the war on terror adds unrestricted wiretaps on cell phones and email communcations and now the ability to seize anyone for any reason and make them an 'enemy of the state'. not to mention secret courts, military tribunals, legalized torture and gate rape.

great country isn't it? makes you wonder how we can justify calling ourselves the 'land of the free/home of the brave'.

I wonder how much longer we can last? people were willing to put up with government crack downs so long as they had a roof over their heads and a job to show up to every week.

but with corporations openly screwing over everyone and laughing while they do it and rising unemployment rates...there's some very real anger out there. almost every day we hear stories of cops smacking around protesters and inflicting a variety of cruelties (both petty and major) on anyone who protests.

In the end it won't matter. you keep a population down long enough and don't give them a release then eventually all that pressure builds past the point of containment. we've been under pressure for a while now (about 20 years now since the screws really started to turn) and our last outlets are starting to get shut down by the war on terror. Eventually something is going to boil over, then the authoritarians in government will over-react, and the mob will do what mobs have done everywhere down throughout history.

i'm just not sure what happens after that.

Weaver95: I wonder how much longer we can last? people were willing to put up with government crack downs so long as they had a roof over their heads and a job to show up to every week.

but with corporations openly screwing over everyone and laughing while they do it and rising unemployment rates...there's some very real anger out there. almost every day we hear stories of cops smacking around protesters and inflicting a variety of cruelties (both petty and major) on anyone who protests.

In the end it won't matter. you keep a population down long enough and don't give them a release then eventually all that pressure builds past the point of containment. we've been under pressure for a while now (about 20 years now since the screws really started to turn) and our last outlets are starting to get shut down by the war on terror. Eventually something is going to boil over, then the authoritarians in government will over-react, and the mob will do what mobs have done everywhere down throughout history.

i'm just not sure what happens after that.

Lots of dead bodies until there is a civil war or military coup with the possibility of millions dying in mushroom clouds.

jake3_14: It's a cold day in hell: I'm on the same side of a political issue as Rand Paul.

This.

you know who also is a secret member of AQ?
bush!!!
lock him up in gitmo and let them waterboard him to find out what he KNEW and when he KNEW IT!!

bwhahaha

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Weaver95: great country isn't it? makes you wonder how we can justify calling ourselves the 'land of the free/home of the brave'.

it MUST be true if the politicians say that it is true. right?
right??

lol

and they think that the biggest threat to america is welfare and food stamps? a slight increase on the top 1% will destroy the country, but locking up innocent citizens is the only way to save it?

/sigh

I think Rand Paul realizes that the anti-Americanism within Fox New's Tea Party, the very same group that got him elected, could very well be construed as terrorist activity. He's just trying to protect his base. This was a campaign speech.

bravian: The first person we should lock up an interrogate for anti-American actions is Sen. Graham.

Really? Not the Democrat who introduced the provision?

Backers of military detention of Americans -- a measure crafted by Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) -- came out swinging against Udall's amendment on the Senate floor earlier Tuesday.

Funny that.

Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.)
Jack Reed (R.I.)

Oh, happy me.

Goddammitsomuch...

I just wrote to my senator asking why we're turning into a country under martial law, and why we are giving this authority to our military and intelligence agencies.

ACLU Senator Contact Form (new window)

If you care what happens, and if you don't do anything else, send a letter telling them this is unacceptable.

once the people in this country finally DO start standing up for themselves, I suspect we'll tear each other apart. I don't see the divide in this country being a simple left/right issue. this is more along authoritarian lines: authoritarians want to control everything/everyone in this country. eventually people are going to fight back against that sort of control.

This insanity seems like something they would have done on 9/12/01, not now. We got bin Laden. Al Queda as far as what they're telling us is pretty much as impotent as Rick Santorum in the champagne room at Scores, there hasn't been a real attack since 9/11. Why this now?

It gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling to think of what a President Bachman would do with this sort of power. It's going to be so awesome when we elect a true psychopath to the presidency, all of that power will surely be wielded only for good.

Guys, if you are relying on Obama's veto to stop this bill, you are going to be disappointed:

Just to underscore what is - and is not - motivating the Obama administration's objections to this bill, Sen. Levin has disclosed, as Dave Kopel documents, that "it was the Obama administration which told Congress to remove the language in the original bill which exempted American citizens and lawful residents from the detention power," on the ground it would unduly restrict the decision-making of Executive Branch officials. In other words, Obama officials wanted the flexibility to militarily detain even U.S. citizens if they were so inclined, and are angry that this bill purports to limit their actions.

Welcome to the perpetual War on Terror. Coming now to a Homeland near you.

gilgigamesh: Guys, if you are relying on Obama's veto to stop this bill, you are going to be disappointed:

Just to underscore what is - and is not - motivating the Obama administration's objections to this bill, Sen. Levin has disclosed, as Dave Kopel documents, that "it was the Obama administration which told Congress to remove the language in the original bill which exempted American citizens and lawful residents from the detention power," on the ground it would unduly restrict the decision-making of Executive Branch officials. In other words, Obama officials wanted the flexibility to militarily detain even U.S. citizens if they were so inclined, and are angry that this bill purports to limit their actions.

Welcome to the perpetual War on Terror. Coming now to a Homeland near you.

That's what I thought I was reading in the threat to veto too. I didn't see so much an objection to civil liberties being removed as an objection to limiting language in the bill. I don't think the Executive branch is concerned that it would violate constitutional rights we are guaranteed. He didn't threaten to veto it to protect our rights.