"You can't simply defend a case in the dark," said Mathew Staver of the Christian-based Liberty Counsel. "You can't shadow box when you don't know who's punching."

It is the Constitution that is punching you, farktard. The person who brought the suit is irrelevant unless you plan to bully him into going away. You wouldn't do that, would you?

And Jesus sayeth: "Let he who judges us come forward, so we might know him and retaliate."

or something.

Christians are retarded, irrational bullies! Film at 11.

At some point, after all these moronic antics have been stuck down again and again and again, you'd think these god-clotted imbeciles would learn something. But they don't, and that's the truly terrifying part. Christians refuse to learn.

The case has stirred such acrimony in rural Giles County that identifying the student would subject him or her to harassment or worse, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the lawsuit

hmmm....

on one hand, the ACLU is probably right - some locals might very well decide to beat the snot outta the student who brought the lawsuit. his/her family would probably face a severe backlash, and the kid would be mocked and harassed at school.

but on the other hand, I really really really hate it when someone files an anonymous lawsuit. you believe in something enough to bring a lawsuit, stand up and be counted. don't hide.

Vodka Zombie: Christians refuse to learn.

Well sort of, the ones who do learn stop being Christians.

Surool: These fundies won't play nice and only harass the person who brought about the lawsuit. They will harass everyone s/he knows.

then I would prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. you want to disagree with someone, that's fine. but you don't get to attack them just because you don't like what they're saying.

but the point is well made - some fundies won't fight fair. they'll come at you sideways, attacking friends and family rather than coming at you directly.

What a tremendous waste of time, money, and energy.

pudding7: What a tremendous waste of time, money, and energy.

You're going to have to be more specific.

cameroncrazy1984: pudding7: What a tremendous waste of time, money, and energy.

You're going to have to be more specific.

His post.

WWJL?

Who Would Jesus Lynch?

Meanwhile in Washington State, Christians are on the other side of this argument, suing to keep their names private after they signed a hate-the-gays-put-gay-rights-to-a-vote initiative here last year. The law says everyone that signs an initiative petition is a matter of public record. Yet the Christians want Special Rights because they "fear gay retribution." Signing a petition is a public record act, and has been that way for years. But they want special rights.

And their hate-gay-marriage initiative was voted down on top of it.

Religion and politics, whenever they mix its usually for the worse.

Generation_D: Religion and politics, whenever they mix its usually for the worse.

Find me a time when religion and politics mixed for the better in the last 50 years.

Surool: 2wolves: WWJL?

Who Would Jesus Lynch?

Jesus would kill everyone who wasn't like him. So every non jew and everyone who wasn't born in the middle east.

Sadly accurate. The New Testament has the Nazarene Carpenter telling his inner circle to recruit only Jews and the rest of the world is therefore unworthy of his wisdom.

cameroncrazy1984: pudding7: What a tremendous waste of time, money, and energy.

You're going to have to be more specific.

Religion.

Christofascists are at it again.

All but like 3 commandments are meaningless anyway. And the "thou shall not kill" one is always highly, highly negotiable.

Sabyen91: It is the Constitution that is punching you, farktard. The person who brought the suit is irrelevant unless you plan to bully him into going away. You wouldn't do that, would you?

Of course, Amendment VI does say something about the right "to be confronted with the witnesses"; however, this is a civil case so far.

Generation_D: Signing a petition is a public record act, and has been that way for years.

However, filing a lawsuit usually is as well.
Contrariwise, Virginia law explicitly recognizes that in some cases, the plaintiff may need to be anonymous due to risk of retaliatory harm.
Nohow, the case seems to be in Federal court.

Weaver95: but on the other hand, I really really really hate it when someone files an anonymous lawsuit. you believe in something enough to bring a lawsuit, stand up and be counted. don't hide.

IANAL, and I know this is a civil case, but in criminal cases, you have the right to face your accuser.

GAT_00: Generation_D: Religion and politics, whenever they mix its usually for the worse.

Find me a time when religion and politics mixed for the better in the last 5000 years.

FTFY.

There was a reason Thomas Jefferson preferred a secular government...

xanadian: GAT_00: Generation_D: Religion and politics, whenever they mix its usually for the worse.

Find me a time when religion and politics mixed for the better in the last 5000 years.

FTFY.

There was a reason Thomas Jefferson preferred a secular government...

Yeah, but there's nothing in the last 50 years that can be pointed to where religion made things better, which is exactly the point I wanted to make. I didn't want the whole Founding Fathers bullshiat brought up.

Generation_D: Meanwhile in Washington State, Christians are on the other side of this argument, suing to keep their names private after they signed a hate-the-gays-put-gay-rights-to-a-vote initiative here last year. The law says everyone that signs an initiative petition is a matter of public record. Yet the Christians want Special Rights because they "fear gay retribution." Signing a petition is a public record act, and has been that way for years. But they want special rights.

Here in California, some people (I.e., Mormons) have sued to be exempted from campaign finance disclosure laws that require the names of donors to ballot initiate campaigns to be disclosed, claiming that they fear retribution for giving donations in support of Prop 8. They've met with no more success in that effort than they have in defending the validity of Prop 8 in court.

GAT_00: Find me a time when religion and politics mixed for the better in the last 50 years.



Martin Luther King, Jr. and Abraham Joshua Heschel marching together-- Jewish theologian and Christian activist to protest mistreatment of African-Americans?

xanadian: Weaver95: but on the other hand, I really really really hate it when someone files an anonymous lawsuit. you believe in something enough to bring a lawsuit, stand up and be counted. don't hide.

IANAL, and I know this is a civil case, but in criminal cases, you have the right to face your accuser.

Hahah U ANAL.

Somacandra: GAT_00: Find me a time when religion and politics mixed for the better in the last 50 years.

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Martin Luther King, Jr. and Abraham Joshua Heschel marching together-- Jewish theologian and Christian activist to protest mistreatment of African-Americans?

And the people who argued against it commonly used religious arguments to keep things the way they were. Offset.

cameroncrazy1984: pudding7: What a tremendous waste of time, money, and energy.

You're going to have to be more specific.

The fundie nutbags around the country who keep trying this shiat, only to have it shot down over and over and over and over and over.

Yeah, New Testament was a 'new covenant.' Until you dickbags feel like putting up the ten commandments in public places.

abb3w: Of course, Amendment VI does say something about the right "to be confronted with the witnesses"; however, this is a civil case so far.

At this point it might as well be the ACLU.

Hey, Christians, I've got a deal for you: don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church. How's that sound?

Harry_Seldon: Every educated person knows there were originally 15 commandments.

#11: Don't fark nobody
#12: Don't... don't fark nobody
#13: No really
#14: I mean that sort of
...
#15: Prophet

MadSkillz: xanadian: Weaver95: but on the other hand, I really really really hate it when someone files an anonymous lawsuit. you believe in something enough to bring a lawsuit, stand up and be counted. don't hide.

IANAL, and I know this is a civil case, but in criminal cases, you have the right to face your accuser.

Hahah U ANAL.

INORITE!!!?!

mmmmm.....anal.

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MooseUpNorth: xanadian: IANAL, and I know this is a civil case, but in criminal cases, you have the right to face your accuser.

There is precedent for protecting the identity of witnesses (especially minors) where it's clear there is a real danger of retaliation. This is one of those cases.

That makes sense, actually. And it's just as well. THere are some crazy-ass religious motherfarkers out there.. :P