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2011-12-03 06:32:53 PM
"Surprisingly"

Shall we sort the list by profit?
 
2011-12-03 06:58:17 PM
number 2, eh? Don't forget to wipe afterwards
 
2011-12-03 08:34:20 PM
I got one of the Touchpads and though it's not 'great', it's pretty good for email, web, Skype, Facebook, a handful of games (Angry Birds, et. al) and movies watching.

For $499? It's awful (with no real camera to speak of, wonky touch controls at times, the inability to sync with any phone other than a Palm).

For $99? It's pretty damned good!
 
2011-12-03 08:40:54 PM
buntz: I got one of the Touchpads and though it's not 'great', it's pretty good for email, web, Skype, Facebook, a handful of games (Angry Birds, et. al) and movies watching.

I thought it was pretty awesome as well and had great potential. Especially since Android was pretty dead on arrival on the tablet platform (see Motorola Xoom). HP completely fark'd it up.

/really sad really
 
2011-12-03 08:44:30 PM
So if I've never had an Apple product, have all my music on google music, and my cell phones have all had Android, would it be better to get something like the Samsung Galaxy 10.1 or is iPad really that much better?
 
2011-12-03 08:44:57 PM
There is a slot on the side for what I assume would have been an SD card but now it's just an empty hole. That was a shame.
And, of course, their App store has nothing in it. And what they DO have is grossly overpriced.

($9.99 for a daily crossword puzzle app is ridiculous versus the 100s of FREE crossword puzzle apps in the Apple App Store, for example)

But again, I really do like it and use my daily!
 
2011-12-03 08:50:55 PM
buntz: I got one of the Touchpads and though it's not 'great', it's pretty good for email, web, Skype, Facebook, a handful of games (Angry Birds, et. al) and movies watching.

For $499? It's awful (with no real camera to speak of, wonky touch controls at times, the inability to sync with any phone other than a Palm).

For $99? It's pretty damned good!


I love my HP Touchpad!
 
2011-12-03 08:55:46 PM
HempHead: I love my HP Touchpad!

But what are you doing with it (beside what I listed it's good for). Not being snarky, I'm always looking for something I didn't know it could do.

Another thing I'm upset about: Once a week they send the WebOS Newsletter with 4 free app codes.

Every week I get the email and enter the codes, honestly, within a MINUTE. And each week I'm told "Sorry, that code has reached its limit. No longer available!"
I talked to HP about it and they said "Yeah, it's first come, first serve"
I said "Well, first of all, it's not a physical item, there aren't 'limited' quantities. Second, I JUST got the email within the past minute!"
They said "Yeah, you're just not fast enough!"

/that's BS to me. It's not the apps. it's the principle.
 
2011-12-03 08:58:46 PM
LawyersRock: So if I've never had an Apple product, have all my music on google music, and my cell phones have all had Android, would it be better to get something like the Samsung Galaxy 10.1 or is iPad really that much better?

Asus Transformer is looking awfully awesome
 
2011-12-03 09:12:13 PM
buntz: HempHead: I love my HP Touchpad!

But what are you doing with it (beside what I listed it's good for). Not being snarky, I'm always looking for something I didn't know it could do.

Another thing I'm upset about: Once a week they send the WebOS Newsletter with 4 free app codes.

Every week I get the email and enter the codes, honestly, within a MINUTE. And each week I'm told "Sorry, that code has reached its limit. No longer available!"
I talked to HP about it and they said "Yeah, it's first come, first serve"
I said "Well, first of all, it's not a physical item, there aren't 'limited' quantities. Second, I JUST got the email within the past minute!"
They said "Yeah, you're just not fast enough!"

/that's BS to me. It's not the apps. it's the principle.


Root it.
 
2011-12-03 09:13:41 PM
buntz: HempHead: I love my HP Touchpad!

But what are you doing with it (beside what I listed it's good for). Not being snarky, I'm always looking for something I didn't know it could do.

Another thing I'm upset about: Once a week they send the WebOS Newsletter with 4 free app codes.

Every week I get the email and enter the codes, honestly, within a MINUTE. And each week I'm told "Sorry, that code has reached its limit. No longer available!"
I talked to HP about it and they said "Yeah, it's first come, first serve"
I said "Well, first of all, it's not a physical item, there aren't 'limited' quantities. Second, I JUST got the email within the past minute!"
They said "Yeah, you're just not fast enough!"

/that's BS to me. It's not the apps. it's the principle.


I'm surprised they pick up the phone.
 
2011-12-03 09:21:46 PM
moothemagiccow:

I'm surprised they pick up the phone.


It's funny you should say that. I called and got some "outsourced" tech support who was no help.
Then I got a survey email asking how they did. I gave them all Fs (or not satisfactory grades).
Within an HOUR I got a phone call from ... an un-outsourced representative asking why!
When I told her all my complaints (including complaints I had about the Touchpad (sound goes out a lot and the only fix is to reboot it)) she gave me her direct number and said I could call her personally ANY time I had an issue.

I've only tried it one time since, but I got the SAME girl and she was polite and helpful.
 
2011-12-03 09:27:05 PM
Dropping WebOS is gonna be in all the "biggest tech mistakes of all time" a la Netscape re-write, "64K should be enough for anybody", and making Outlook a Windows scripting host.
 
2011-12-03 09:29:26 PM
Have a touchpad. Its pretty good, very good for $150 (32gb model).

It browses very well. Not great on flash content, but ok if slow. Wish there were more apps. Wish there was a native dropbox app to it - the office -dropbox integration is no replacement to just being able to get at my files.
 
2011-12-03 09:30:03 PM
My $99 touchpad is decent. Sound goes all staticy often, not many apps, web browser is too basic, but it's OK for the price. If it was my $299 touchpad I wouldn't care much for it, if it was $499 it would royally suck.
 
2011-12-03 09:39:59 PM
Sounds like someone at HP got three wishes from a genie. "I want us to be the number two tablet manufacturer by the end of the year", OK you got your wish! Just not what you expected. The wish is always corrupted.
 
2011-12-03 09:47:00 PM
Playinodds: Have a touchpad. Its pretty good, very good for $150 (32gb model).

It browses very well. Not great on flash content, but ok if slow. Wish there were more apps. Wish there was a native dropbox app to it - the office -dropbox integration is no replacement to just being able to get at my files.


There is a free dropbox type app called Box.net. Its in the app catalog and you get 50meg free for signing up.
 
2011-12-03 09:50:14 PM
HempHead: Playinodds: Have a touchpad. Its pretty good, very good for $150 (32gb model).

It browses very well. Not great on flash content, but ok if slow. Wish there were more apps. Wish there was a native dropbox app to it - the office -dropbox integration is no replacement to just being able to get at my files.

There is a free dropbox type app called Box.net. Its in the app catalog and you get 50meg free for signing up.


I think that the box.net default is 5 gig, not 50 meg, and you only get 50 gig if you sign up using an LG or Apple phone (I did ).
 
2011-12-03 09:52:10 PM
I loved the idea behind WebOS, but it was too little, too late and then HP screwed the pooch. When I finally threw Cyanogenmod Android on my Touchpad, it suddenly became useful.
 
2011-12-03 09:54:26 PM
Funny I remember the PC fan boys all saying "why would anyone ever want a tablet. They are stupid!" when Apple came out with theirs and now the same people are going crazy over them.

But they also did this when Nintendo came out with the Wii motion controller saying it was a gimmick and stupid but now freak out about the xbox Kinect.
 
2011-12-03 09:59:18 PM
buntz:
But what are you doing with it (beside what I listed it's good for).


It's a tablet, not a computer. That's about all they're good for.
 
2011-12-03 10:05:55 PM
Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I loved the idea behind WebOS, but it was too little, too late and then HP screwed the pooch. When I finally threw Cyanogenmod Android on my Touchpad, it suddenly became useful.

How did you do it? I'm not tech savvy and I hear about people doing that but I don't have the slightest on how!
 
2011-12-03 10:15:45 PM
I'm still waiting for HP to launch a TouchPad 2(at a more profit friendly price than $99 of course) now that they do at least have some user base of webOS users out there to entice more developers.

I would love to see a 7" webOS tablet. It still need a few touches here and there, bit I think it's probably the best mobile OS I've used, it just unfortunately has only showed up on crap hardware for the most part.
 
2011-12-03 10:19:10 PM
Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I loved the idea behind WebOS, but it was too little, too late and then HP screwed the pooch. When I finally threw Cyanogenmod Android on my Touchpad, it suddenly became useful.

i don't have strong feelings one way or the other re: WebOS, but I will readily admit that after throwing the dual boot option on my Touchpad, it became my new favorite toy. And I have the 64g version, so I have lots and lots of room to add all kinds of stuff.

buntz: How did you do it? I'm not tech savvy and I hear about people doing that but I don't have the slightest on how!

Check out the cyanogenmod forums. There is lots of information there. I would, however, stay away from the mod until they release the stable version (right now they are on the 3rd test release). Thankfully, they usually do a pretty good job of simple instructions to walk you through the process.
 
2011-12-03 10:23:16 PM
bsharitt: I think it's probably the best mobile OS I've used

i should probably clarify my previous post. i do like webos as on os in and of itself, but the lack of apps is a real buzzkill for me. it's really hard to separate the two for me. i actually bought my tp strictly because i knew the cm mod was coming out.
 
2011-12-03 10:25:42 PM
socalnewwaver: bsharitt: I think it's probably the best mobile OS I've used

i should probably clarify my previous post. i do like webos as on os in and of itself, but the lack of apps is a real buzzkill for me. it's really hard to separate the two for me. i actually bought my tp strictly because i knew the cm mod was coming out.


And that lack of support is the reason I got rid of my TouchPad despite loving the OS.
 
2011-12-03 10:30:43 PM
bsharitt: socalnewwaver: bsharitt: I think it's probably the best mobile OS I've used

i should probably clarify my previous post. i do like webos as on os in and of itself, but the lack of apps is a real buzzkill for me. it's really hard to separate the two for me. i actually bought my tp strictly because i knew the cm mod was coming out.

And that lack of support is the reason I got rid of my TouchPad despite loving the OS.


Well, I guess, as per my previous post, all you need to do is give them a negative review and you'll have your own personal support person on call, like I do now :)
 
GTP
2011-12-03 11:08:56 PM
With the Cyanogenmod, my HP Touchpad is now the best bargain device I've bought in years. I love having the dual boot option between the operating systems.
 
2011-12-03 11:10:31 PM
KarmicDisaster: think that the box.net default is 5 gig, not 50 meg, and you only get 50 gig if you sign up using an LG or Apple phone (I did ).

I got 50 meg after downloading the app on my Touchpad.
 
2011-12-03 11:16:13 PM
buntz: moothemagiccow:

I'm surprised they pick up the phone.

It's funny you should say that. I called and got some "outsourced" tech support who was no help.
Then I got a survey email asking how they did. I gave them all Fs (or not satisfactory grades).
Within an HOUR I got a phone call from ... an un-outsourced representative asking why!
When I told her all my complaints (including complaints I had about the Touchpad (sound goes out a lot and the only fix is to reboot it)) she gave me her direct number and said I could call her personally ANY time I had an issue.

I've only tried it one time since, but I got the SAME girl and she was polite and helpful.


You're in there.
 
2011-12-03 11:22:29 PM
buntz: But what are you doing with it (beside what I listed it's good for). Not being snarky, I'm always looking for something I didn't know it could do.

I don't have a touchpad (I have a rooted nook that I've had for several months).

After rooting it and tweaking it, I declared that it was the best $250 tablet that money could by, and I wondered why B&N had put that much power into a book reader and didn't go the extra step to make it a tablet.

Fast forward to now, B&N released a nook tablet, go figure.

/I use it to surf the web and view media at home. It has taken the place of my netbook, real easy to toss it to someone and have them use it (vs turning on the netbook or the full sized laptop).

While playing halo, I look up my stats and the daily challenges.
While sitting on my couch, I do christmas shopping
I read news and fark articles from it
I solve crossword puzzles
I get my home and work e-mail there, and my outlook calendar (easier to look at the mini to see what room a meeting is once I get to another building vs taking my laptop out of the case to check).
I get text messages for free via google voice
etc

Basically, just a no fluff, no frills, media convergence device that didn't break the bank.

/there's no way I would buy a $500+ tablet though, it's just not _THAT_ useful to me.
 
2011-12-03 11:25:43 PM
Playinodds: It browses very well. Not great on flash content, but ok if slow. Wish there were more apps. Wish there was a native dropbox app to it - the office -dropbox integration is no replacement to just being able to get at my files.

If you're talking about dropbox.com, there's a free android app (from dropbox themselves) for that.

If you're talking about windows dropboxes, ES file explorer (also free) can access them with no trouble.

If you're talking about having a dropbox on your tablet that others can access, I'm curious as to your use case.
 
2011-12-03 11:29:04 PM
If you're talking about having a dropbox on your tablet that others can access, I'm curious as to your use case.

Use case, ugh, I need to stop spending time being stuck in meetings with project managers, and more time coding new stuff.

What I meant to say is

Why the hell would anyone want to do THAT?
 
2011-12-03 11:41:18 PM
bsharitt: And that lack of support is the reason I got rid of my TouchPad despite loving the OS.

and that lack of support is the reason i got the cm android boot.
 
2011-12-04 12:29:18 AM
I had a 32 gb Touchpad that i got during the fire sale. For 149, it was nice. I could not imagine paying the original 600 price HP was asking. I sold it and ended up with the Nook Tablet. With a few minor tweeks, i have access to the Amazon apt store, and i'm also able to sideload apps from the Android Market. Having a micro sd access was a must for me.
 
2011-12-04 12:31:42 AM
Unless you can easily hack the thing to run Android I don't think I'd get one even at $99.

My boyfriend just got me a Toshiba Thrive and I've been loving it. I just bought the Caustic synth app and today I bought Sketchbook Pro for it. Both apps were only something like $5. I've been enthralled with tablet computing. For me, it captures that raw excitement of the early days of home computers when you had things like Commodore 64s and TI99/4As and all these different machines with different features and competing platforms. The desktop and even laptop PC market have just become uninteresting. There's the predictable jump in memory, jump in CPU speed, etc etc but it always feels like more of the same. The software is expensive and bloated.

The constraints of the tablet computer has created some very elegant interfaces (and some clunkers) and I find when software is priced at under $10 a program I'm much more excited about purchasing it. Like I said, I just bought Sketchbook Pro today and for the first time in a long time I've actually become excited about drawing again. I've been loving drawing on my tablet and the software is simple, elegant, yet surprisingly powerful and it only cost $6. A similar program for my PC would have probably started at $100.

I can't explain exactly why but tablet computing just excites me about computers in a way I haven't been excited about computers since the 80s.

And for people who dismiss tablet computers strictly as media consumption machines. I drew this in a very short period of time after purchasing the app. And it was actually fun to draw it and it has actually made me excited about the prospect of returning to comics again and using my tablet computer to produce the work.

a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-12-04 12:55:34 AM
I'm finding some use for my Touchpad, but I'm really just waiting for Cyanogen to come out with a ICS port. The web browser is somewhat clunky, though. Does anyone else experience lag when opening a web page?
 
2011-12-04 01:12:01 AM
Ghastly: The constraints of the tablet computer has created some very elegant interfaces (and some clunkers) and I find when software is priced at under $10 a program I'm much more excited about purchasing it.

The gap between "full blown pc/mac apps" at $29 - $299 a pop version "barely useful/limited android/apple apps" at $.99 - $14.99 a pop is hard for me to put my mind around.

It seems both these pricing arrangements must be wrong and must be limiting either number of sales or minimizing profits. But most of the tablet apps I've played with are barely useful, poorly tested, shadows of what they should be.

If this post makes no sense -- I plead lack of sleep.
 
2011-12-04 01:22:06 AM
Chevy sells more cars than BMW so what's the point of the article?
 
2011-12-04 02:09:12 AM
RoyBatty: Ghastly: The constraints of the tablet computer has created some very elegant interfaces (and some clunkers) and I find when software is priced at under $10 a program I'm much more excited about purchasing it.

The gap between "full blown pc/mac apps" at $29 - $299 a pop version "barely useful/limited android/apple apps" at $.99 - $14.99 a pop is hard for me to put my mind around.

It seems both these pricing arrangements must be wrong and must be limiting either number of sales or minimizing profits. But most of the tablet apps I've played with are barely useful, poorly tested, shadows of what they should be.

If this post makes no sense -- I plead lack of sleep.


You do have to wade through a lot of shovel ware with the apps, but when you find a gem, you really find a gem. Caustic for example is a very powerful softsynth package and a similar PC program would probably be close to $100. The other nice thing about the tablet apps is when the developer makes an update, you get the update for free. There are a number of PC programs I use which I was using back when I was still running Windows 95. Why do I use it? Because it still works and I don't feel like shelling out a big wad of money to buy the program all over again.

Most of the "new" PC software I buy is the stuff in the delete bins for around $10.

If I pay $10 or less for a program I'm a little more patient and understanding waiting for them to patch a bug in the code. When I pay $100 or more for a program then the damned thing better work flawlessly. Frankly I'm amazed at just how much crap gets pushed out on the market in high end software that's buggy as all hell and is full of bugs.

There are a few problems with the Android platform. There's a tonne of excellent photography software out there but almost nothing useful in the way of videography software like there is on the iPad. I figure it's probably just a matter of time before that sort of software begins to be developed, just like drivers for USB ports. Right now the USB port seems to only be used for data storage but it will probably only be a matter of time before some boffins start writing drivers for audio/midi devices and digitizing tablets and other assorted USB devices.
 
2011-12-04 02:26:20 AM
Wrong numbers are wrong. (Cough)
 
2011-12-04 02:29:45 AM
Ghastly: The other nice thing about the tablet apps is when the developer makes an update, you get the update for free.

The other thing I like about android apps is that it's buy it once, get it on all your (compatible) android devices for no extra charge.
 
2011-12-04 02:50:23 AM
RoyBatty: Ghastly: The other nice thing about the tablet apps is when the developer makes an update, you get the update for free.

The other thing I like about android apps is that it's buy it once, get it on all your (compatible) android devices for no extra charge.


I didn't know that. How do you do that?
 
2011-12-04 03:00:42 AM
Ghastly: I didn't know that. How do you do that?

Oh, you don't do anything.

If you bought app on Android device A under Google Account B, then you merely sign into Android device C, under Google Account B, and the app appears as "Purchased" and you can install it on the new device (assuming compatibility.)

This takes a bunch of $2 apps and turns them into $0.66 apps. That was a very pleasant surprise when I found out about that. And now, Android Market allows supports multiple accounts, so it works out even better than before.
 
2011-12-04 03:03:20 AM
RoyBatty: Ghastly: I didn't know that. How do you do that?

Oh, you don't do anything.

If you bought app on Android device A under Google Account B, then you merely sign into Android device C, under Google Account B, and the app appears as "Purchased" and you can install it on the new device (assuming compatibility.)

This takes a bunch of $2 apps and turns them into $0.66 apps. That was a very pleasant surprise when I found out about that. And now, Android Market allows supports multiple accounts, so it works out even better than before.


When you consider that Android is about the Cloud, and compare this to Google Music, etc., it makes a lot of sense. But compared to PC Software, it's very different, and seemingly underappreciated. What happens on iPhone? I know my daughter complains about having mistakenly bought iPhone apps multiple times.
 
2011-12-04 03:11:15 AM
Ghastly: There's a tonne of excellent photography software out there but almost nothing useful in the way of videography software like there is on the iPad.

A Xoom Honeycomb tablet I'm playing with has something called Movie Studio which is a very simple iMovie / Windows Movie Maker.
 
2011-12-04 03:35:51 AM
This list only goes through october.

I wonder what it would look like if the Kindle Fire was considered there.

/love mine.
 
2011-12-04 04:33:04 AM
RoyBatty: Ghastly: I didn't know that. How do you do that?

Oh, you don't do anything.

If you bought app on Android device A under Google Account B, then you merely sign into Android device C, under Google Account B, and the app appears as "Purchased" and you can install it on the new device (assuming compatibility.)

This takes a bunch of $2 apps and turns them into $0.66 apps. That was a very pleasant surprise when I found out about that. And now, Android Market allows supports multiple accounts, so it works out even better than before.


Hmmm... it seems you can't log out of the market once you log into it without doing a factory reset of your phone. I had set up a google account for my phone that was different from my main google account and now there's no way I can log onto that account on my phone without having to reset my phone. How annoying.
 
2011-12-04 04:46:08 AM
RoyBatty: Ghastly: There's a tonne of excellent photography software out there but almost nothing useful in the way of videography software like there is on the iPad.

A Xoom Honeycomb tablet I'm playing with has something called Movie Studio which is a very simple iMovie / Windows Movie Maker.


I'm talking about things like 8mm Vintage Camera and other live video special effects software. That's one area where the iPad really does shine.
 
2011-12-04 04:48:05 AM
Ghastly: Hmmm... it seems you can't log out of the market once you log into it without doing a factory reset of your phone. I had set up a google account for my phone that was different from my main google account and now there's no way I can log onto that account on my phone without having to reset my phone. How annoying.

On my Froyo and Gingerbread devices, my version of Market (3.3.11) allows for multiple accounts to log in. Basically any account you have set the phone up for. If you need to update your market, you can help convince it to update itself by going into manage applications, market, and clearing data, and clearing cache.

But yes, it might be that that's a recent thing from an updated market. (Googling seems to suggest that's only been since 3.3.11.)
 
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