They can't be in the shadows that much. They have awesome tans.

It's no fun. . ..

I find it funny when there are illegal immigrants that have been in the country since before 1986.

They're not open about being illegal immigrants. That's what invokes the shadow talk.

I was at Azteca on Wednesday for a big team lunch and noticed that they hire real Mexicans there. When we came in, the waiter welcomed me with a big "Hola, primo" and when he took our drink orders he would mutter the order in Spanish to himself (I had agua).

Yes, I realize that I was in a Mexican restaurant, so I should be aware that people working there would be speaking Spanish, but I was really surprised at how completely the environment switched out of "American" just outside the doors to "Mexican" inside. It was like walking into another country, and I didn't speak the language!

But they are guests in my country, just as I was a guest in their restaurant. In a way we are all serving each other, and that's what I think being a melting pot country is all about. Just because you have assimilated doesn't mean that you've lost your flavor. It means that everyone gets to enjoy your culture's good and special aspects.

Gracias, Mexicanos. You're welcome in my country any time.

A couple of my yucateco dishwashers have been in the US for over 20 years. They have zero concern about deportation, and consider themselves to be San Franciscans. Not people working here planning on going home, but full fledged northern Californians.

I still think its cool working with dudes that speak Mayan as a first language.

A friend of my family got picked up in a sweep. About 10 years ago, he went to this hustler notary who said that he'd help him along with the process of becoming a citizen. What really ended up happening was the notary farked up his form, but the government didn't realize that and instead pocketed the fee money and sent him a form telling him to stick around the country and not to sell his assets, even though he technically shouldn't of.

The guy went on to build a pretty American dream good life for himself, getting a steady construction job, a wife and two kids. 10 years later, the government used the list of people who used the notary - people making steps to become a part of this country - as a list of illegals to pick up.

////then, the good news, is that he made some "special appeal" lawyer shiat happen and he's got an extra year in the country to sort shiat out, but not before spending a couple of days in a detention center...

People biatch about how illegals are overrunning the county, but I think before we even begin to attempt that maybe we should first sort out the bullshiat, byzantine, contradictory and counter-productive immigration process we have in America so we can sort out who truly is "illegal" (and while we're at it, figure out who we really want to kick out of this country...the tax-paying working dudes, or the violent criminals?)

AverageAmericanGuy:
But they are guests in my country, just as I was a guest in their restaurant. In a way we are all serving each other, and that's what I think being a melting pot country is all about. Just because you have assimilated doesn't mean that you've lost your flavor. It means that everyone gets to enjoy your culture's good and special aspects.

Gracias, Mexicanos. You're welcome in my country any time.

Big Plus One from this fat ol' Mexican!

Lets get this out of the way: Senator McCain was born in Panama. He is one of the most high profile illegals ever......

burn em all

Jonathan Hohensee: People biatch about how illegals are overrunning the county, but I think before we even begin to attempt that maybe we should first sort out the bullshiat, byzantine, contradictory and counter-productive immigration process we have in America so we can sort out who truly is "illegal"

Who truly is "illegal"? People not authorized to be here, this is not difficult. They know they are illegal, so does everyone else.

In the shadows, my ass...

Cool...so it shoyld be easy to round them up and float them back where they came from.

Hey! The charts and graphs are in brown for once. Why is that?

Jonathan Hohensee: People biatch about how illegals are overrunning the county, but I think before we even begin to attempt that maybe we should first sort out the bullshiat, byzantine, contradictory and counter-productive immigration process we have in America so we can sort out who truly is "illegal" (and while we're at it, figure out who we really want to kick out of this country...the tax-paying working dudes, or the violent criminals?)

Illegals are usually paid in cash under the table, so about that tax thing...

How do illegals get legal jobs?
Oh yeah, identity theft.

Get Lost: Lets get this out of the way: Senator McCain was born in Panama. He is one of the most high profile illegals ever......

As a troll, 2 out of 2.
Satire: 8 out of 10.

63 Percent of Illegal Aliens have Resided in the U.S. 10 Years or More.


Ain't that a biatch?

And they STILL haven't caught the Zodiac Killer or D.B. Cooper, either.

Should we have unlimited immigration for everyone in the world who wants to come to the US? Should we have unlimited citizenship for everyone in the world who wants to be in the US? There are a lot of people in the world who would like to live in a country that's richer than the one they live in now. Should they all be let in?

And let's not forget that there's a strong current of "Reconquest" in the latino community. For many of them, it's not about being American, it's about f*cking America.

astouffer: Jonathan Hohensee: People biatch about how illegals are overrunning the county, but I think before we even begin to attempt that maybe we should first sort out the bullshiat, byzantine, contradictory and counter-productive immigration process we have in America so we can sort out who truly is "illegal" (and while we're at it, figure out who we really want to kick out of this country...the tax-paying working dudes, or the violent criminals?)

Illegals are usually paid in cash under the table, so about that tax thing...

Many of them have tax ID numbers, so they aren't paid in cash and they do pay in taxes.

AverageAmericanGuy: I was at Azteca on Wednesday for a big team lunch and noticed that they hire real Mexicans there. When we came in, the waiter welcomed me with a big "Hola, primo" and when he took our drink orders he would mutter the order in Spanish to himself (I had agua).

Yes, I realize that I was in a Mexican restaurant, so I should be aware that people working there would be speaking Spanish, but I was really surprised at how completely the environment switched out of "American" just outside the doors to "Mexican" inside. It was like walking into another country, and I didn't speak the language!

But they are guests in my country, just as I was a guest in their restaurant. In a way we are all serving each other, and that's what I think being a melting pot country is all about. Just because you have assimilated doesn't mean that you've lost your flavor. It means that everyone gets to enjoy your culture's good and special aspects.

Gracias, Mexicanos. You're welcome in my country any time.


You have a country?

Gyrfalcon: That they don't pay income taxes, that they all stole their IDs or use fake ones, that merely by virtue of being here they are criminals and should be deported.

Do you deny that they use more in services than they pay in taxes?

Amos Quito: AverageAmericanGuy: I was at Azteca on Wednesday for a big team lunch and noticed that they hire real Mexicans there. When we came in, the waiter welcomed me with a big "Hola, primo" and when he took our drink orders he would mutter the order in Spanish to himself (I had agua).

Yes, I realize that I was in a Mexican restaurant, so I should be aware that people working there would be speaking Spanish, but I was really surprised at how completely the environment switched out of "American" just outside the doors to "Mexican" inside. It was like walking into another country, and I didn't speak the language!

But they are guests in my country, just as I was a guest in their restaurant. In a way we are all serving each other, and that's what I think being a melting pot country is all about. Just because you have assimilated doesn't mean that you've lost your flavor. It means that everyone gets to enjoy your culture's good and special aspects.

Gracias, Mexicanos. You're welcome in my country any time.


You have a country?

The United States of America.

Gyrfalcon: Wow, so many people here believe so much bullshiat crap about illegal immigrants:

That they don't pay income taxes, that they all stole their IDs or use fake ones, that merely by virtue of being here they are criminals and should be deported.


Trolling, Gyrfalcon???

Just because their mere presence in the country is in fact a criminal act that doesn't make them criminals?

shiat, I'm in Dallas.

You sweep out the illegals and traffic jams would be a thing of the past.

And certain parts of town would look like a plague hit.
And you'd have to shut down all the McDonalds until you could hire and train enough legal workers to staff them.

I can think of a ways to streamline a migrant labor process, but living conditions for migrant farm work is crap. If you could improve those living conditions then you might not need to recruit people who see living with a dirt floor as a step up.

astouffer:
Illegals are usually paid in cash under the table, so about that tax thing...

Or they commit identity fraud to pay taxes get the earned income tax credit.

Baron Von Supercock: A couple of my yucateco dishwashers have been in the US for over 20 years. They have zero concern about deportation, and consider themselves to be San Franciscans. Not people working here planning on going home, but full fledged northern Californians.

I still think its cool working with dudes that speak Mayan as a first language.

So you admit to hiring illegals?

/stealin' our jobs.

They are working at the houses of the very people who make the most noise about them. They shingle thier roofs, watch their kids, clean up and mow their lawns...let's start fining homeowners who hire them directly or indirectly (through contractors)....

From that racist rag at the US Treasury: Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable Credits.

Amos Quito: Gyrfalcon: Wow, so many people here believe so much bullshiat crap about illegal immigrants:

That they don't pay income taxes, that they all stole their IDs or use fake ones, that merely by virtue of being here they are criminals and should be deported.


Trolling, Gyrfalcon???

Just because their mere presence in the country is in fact a criminal act that doesn't make them criminals?

In fact, BEING here illegally is not a "criminal act". It's a civil offense, and deportation is a civil proceeding, not a criminal one. Illegal entry (crossing the border without permission) is a crime. It's possible to be an illegal alien without having committed a crime if one entered lawfully on a temporary basis and then overstayed.

Like other crimes, illegal entry can only be successfully prosecuted with proof beyond a reasonable doubt and there is a presumption of innocence. There's a prosecution when a case can be made, otherwise there is simply a deportation and no conviction.

AverageAmericanGuy: that's what I think being a melting pot country is all about. Just because you have assimilated doesn't mean that you've lost your flavor. It means that everyone gets to enjoy your culture's good and special aspects.


A "melting pot" implies a mixing of cultures into a seamless homogenous blend. What you are describing is more akin to a garbage dump. A lumpy, clumpy, decomposing garbage dump.

"Our diversity is our strength"! You've heard it a million times, and it is poisonous horseshiat. A nation is strong when it works together in unity toward common goals that serve the best interests of the people as a unified whole. The more we cling to our ethnic/racial/national origin identities, the greater our cultural differences are magnified, and the gulf between us becomes wider. We become a "nation" of squabbling factions, each clamoring and competing for the perceived interests of the sub-group.

We disintegrate. We dis-integrate.

We "Celebrate our Diversity" at our own peril. I don;t care whether your ancestry is Black, European, Hispanic, Asian, or what have you. If you want to come to the United States of America, act like an American.

asmodeus224: They are working at the houses of the very people who make the most noise about them. They shingle thier roofs, watch their kids, clean up and mow their lawns...let's start fining homeowners who hire them directly or indirectly (through contractors)....

No, the upper classes doesn't care as much about illegal immigration, they work for them and then go home two towns over. Unless of course you talk about building affordable housing in their neighborhoods, or redrawing school district lines to include those large rundown apartment complexes where their help lives. Then the townhall meetings are overflowing with outraged orthodontists and lawyers.

Gyrfalcon: Their PRESENCE in the country is not the illegal action. It's the entry into the country.

I learned this a few threads ago:
1) Illegal aliens that attempt to enter 1 time and actually do it have committed a civil misdemeanor.
2) Illegal aliens that enter after A) being deported or B) being turned away, that is a criminal misdemeanor.
3) You can't be deported for 1unless you commit a criminal act while here illegally.

Live in the south before you form an opinion on immigration.

The number of illegal aliens in the U.S. is estimated to be 20 million, which is a greater number than the population of every state but California and Texas.

Anybody who thinks "deport them all" is a practical solution is an idiot. It's not going to happen, simply because as long as we're a democracy there are enough voters who will disapprove of the totalitarian police state that would have to be created to accomplish it. It would actually be easier to use the creation of a totalitarian state to force acceptance of amnesty, ruthlessly compel tax compliance among the newly legal residents, and suppress anti-immigrant political views, than it would be to go ahead and get rid of the immigrants.

Britney Spear's Speculum: 3) You can't be deported for 1unless you commit a criminal act while here illegally.

What they mean by this is that an illegal can't be deported for simply committing the civil misdemeanor...because they haven't come to the attention of the authorities. So that papers please law in Arizona is essentially unlawful, specifically if the civil misdemeanor illegal immigrant hasn't committed a crime....unless they are being arrested for a crime at the time of the cops asking for their papers.

AverageAmericanGuy: I was at Azteca on Wednesday for a big team lunch and noticed that they hire real Mexicans there. When we came in, the waiter welcomed me with a big "Hola, primo" and when he took our drink orders he would mutter the order in Spanish to himself (I had agua).

Yes, I realize that I was in a Mexican restaurant, so I should be aware that people working there would be speaking Spanish, but I was really surprised at how completely the environment switched out of "American" just outside the doors to "Mexican" inside. It was like walking into another country, and I didn't speak the language!

But they are guests in my country, just as I was a guest in their restaurant. In a way we are all serving each other, and that's what I think being a melting pot country is all about. Just because you have assimilated doesn't mean that you've lost your flavor. It means that everyone gets to enjoy your culture's good and special aspects.

Gracias, Mexicanos. You're welcome in my country any time.

Ok, I've got a list for you of languages to learn: Spanish, German, Italian, Swedish, Norwegian, Portugese, etc

The fun part is that you also get to learn about their food! Let me start with Iberico Ham/Jamon Link (new window)

Let me know when you get to Link (new window)

/although I learned a small bit of Deutsch in elementary school, I don't feel the need to learn all sorts of languages just to get through a local restaurant/grocery and thankfully I don't have to. Most places have someone who knows the US version of English!

DrewCurtisJr 2011-12-03 09:22:35 PM

Jonathan Hohensee: People biatch about how illegals are overrunning the county, but I think before we even begin to attempt that maybe we should first sort out the bullshiat, byzantine, contradictory and counter-productive immigration process we have in America so we can sort out who truly is "illegal"
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Who truly is "illegal"? People not authorized to be here, this is not difficult. They know they are illegal, so does everyone else.

If you hop the fence and don't check in with Customs/Border Patrol, you'll know you're illegal.

There are tons of other situations out there, though:

If you get a student visa, drop out of class and move to a different town to get engaged to an American citizen, what's your status? How long do you have to get enrolled in another school in the new town?

Say you're a German, and are on a business trip at a US facility for a few weeks....no visa normally required. But surprise!! your asshole boss want you to stay on assignment in Cleveland for 6 months. What's your status?

You could be on an H1B, but your employer goes tits up. You get a job offer from another firm...what do you need to do to transfer that H1B visa to the new employer?