I'm waiting on the Followup, where the bank just gets some other people to do it.

Gwendolyn: I don't understand how that happened anyway.The woman's grandson somehow got a mortgage on the house without her knowing about it. How in the hell is that guy not in jail and the bank suing him for the money. Instead of doing something internally they go after the homeowners. Brilliant.

Hell maybe I'll just get a loan out for my neighbor's place. It's got to be worth $300,000 or so and their dicks anyway.

I wondered about that too (the grandson, not your neighbors).

Gwendolyn: I don't understand how that happened anyway.The woman's grandson somehow got a mortgage on the house without her knowing about it. How in the hell is that guy not in jail and the bank suing him for the money. Instead of doing something internally they go after the homeowners. Brilliant.

Hell maybe I'll just get a loan out for my neighbor's place. It's got to be worth $300,000 or so and their dicks anyway.

The bank doesn't care who holds the mortgage or who was cheated to get it, they have a unpaid mortgage, they evict the occupants, that's it. From their point of the view, too bad so sad for the old woman, but she should take it up with the grandson. It's all just numbers on a balance sheet.

But I suspect they would ALSO go after the grandson, if he's the one that isn't paying up.

Meanwhile yeah, this is a good example of elder abuse. Locally to me there's various PSAs and posters about similar issues, the "is some young relative meddling in your money?" or "are you being pressured to give up legal powers to a relative?" and similar. The "meh, grandma will never notice, I can get her to add me to the account and then blow it all on stuff for me" type crimes. (Obviously there's legitimate and welcomed guardianship situations, but not all cases are so innocent.)

SilentStrider: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: +1'd.


clancifer: What is Fox News' take on this?

"CHAOTIC LAWLESSNESS IN THE UNITED STATES - MORE ON THIS SHOCKING STATE OF AFFAIRS WHEN WE COME BACK."

Coming up at 10: Sean Hannity explains why this is all Obama's fault. Stay tuned!

But first: Bill O'Reilly punches a baby in the face for a full hour!

Wow I was waiting to read how they were both pepper sprayed and tazed then charged with resisting arrest and assault on an officer.

If she's been in the house for over 50 years, how the hell does a bank have any rights to it?

GAT_00: He's a hero for refusing to evict one person? He would be a hero if this was for everyone, not just because he found someone pitiful enough that even he couldn't do the bank's bidding.

The lesson here is: Get old, free house!

Gwendolyn: I don't understand how that happened anyway.The woman's grandson somehow got a mortgage on the house without her knowing about it. How in the hell is that guy not in jail and the bank suing him for the money. Instead of doing something internally they go after the homeowners. Brilliant.

The bank did sue him for the money. He doesn't have cash, but he has a house. So they took the house. That's how mortgages work.

This thread is epic. So, how old does somebody have to be before they're allowed to default on their obligations, consequence-free? I eagerly look forward to learning the cut-off for the free goodie gravy train.

GAT_00: He's a hero for refusing to evict one person? He would be a hero if this was for everyone, not just because he found someone pitiful enough that even he couldn't do the bank's bidding.

Letting squatters not paying for houses they shouldn't have been in in the first place stay, while the rest of the country pays its mortgage would make them a hero? You realize the duty of a law enforcement officer is to enforce the law, right?

Free houses for everyone! I just wish you entitled farks had told me this like 5 years ago that I could get a free house. I always miss these promotions.

The daughter was 83. If she was 86 the woman deserved to be evicted for being such a slut at a young age.

Zumaki: If she's been in the house for over 50 years, how the hell does a bank have any rights to it?

"In 2002, Ali Muhammad, the grandson of Vinia Hall, got a second mortgage on the house from Deutsche Bank National Trust, according to Fulton County Civil Superior Court records. That loan ultimately was administered by Chase.

Muhammad was listed as the owner, though his grandmother had lived in it for decades. Seven years after getting the loan -- in March 2009 - Deutsche foreclosed on the property."

kronicfeld: other people's houses before this.

And here come the Republicans!

Theaetetus: Zumaki: If she's been in the house for over 50 years, how the hell does a bank have any rights to it?

"In 2002, Ali Muhammad, the grandson of Vinia Hall, got a second mortgage on the house from Deutsche Bank National Trust, according to Fulton County Civil Superior Court records. That loan ultimately was administered by Chase.

Muhammad was listed as the owner, though his grandmother had lived in it for decades. Seven years after getting the loan -- in March 2009 - Deutsche foreclosed on the property."


Well that takes the story in a different direction. They should have brought the grandson out for the foreclosure and made him explain to granny why she was losing her house.

Zumaki: If she's been in the house for over 50 years, how the hell does a bank have any rights to it?

Her douche-nozzle grandson apparently did some HELOC abuse for some quick cash, drugs and bling. "Hey, granny can't possibly live that long, so by the time they try to foreclose..."

Forced Perspective: This thread is epic. So, how old does somebody have to be before they're allowed to default on their obligations, consequence-free? I eagerly look forward to learning the cut-off for the free goodie gravy train.

According to this article - 86. But there are plenty of others in this thread that will probably argue that number down.

The grandson is the dick here. The Sheriff has now refused to enforce property rights. The bank is unfortunate enough to have an old lady be the person squatting in their property, but the bad guy here is her grandson.

StanTheMan: You realize the duty of a law enforcement officer is to enforce the law, right?

Cops used to be 'peace officers'. The duty of a peace officer is to keep the peace.

There's a big difference between a peacekeeper and an enforcer. Somewhere along the way we lost sight of that.

StanTheMan: Her douche-nozzle grandson apparently did some HELOC abuse for some quick cash, drugs and bling

Her grandson is in his 50s. It probably wasn't for bling.

Aarontology: I wonder how many people that Sheriff has kicked out of their houses before this.


Imagine being the next, "Bu-b-b-b-but...?" I'm surprised the church or a local charity didn't step in before this. That would make more sense as opposed to some deciding to disobey orders and possible getting in trouble.


/didn't watch video, sorry

Zumaki: If she's been in the house for over 50 years, how the hell does a bank have any rights to it?

Someone else (apparently the grandson) borrowed against it or took a reverse mortgage on it.

StanTheMan: Her douche-nozzle grandson apparently did some HELOC abuse for some quick cash, drugs and bling. "Hey, granny can't possibly live that long, so by the time they try to foreclose..."

I.e. this. It's not so uncommon a crime, not only here either.

Wait... "Ali Muhammad"? And he took out the mortgage in 2002? It must have been to get cash to support terrorism. They should evict her to Gitmo.

Is the daughter hot?

itazurakko: Gwendolyn: I don't understand how that happened anyway.The woman's grandson somehow got a mortgage on the house without her knowing about it. How in the hell is that guy not in jail and the bank suing him for the money. Instead of doing something internally they go after the homeowners. Brilliant.

Hell maybe I'll just get a loan out for my neighbor's place. It's got to be worth $300,000 or so and their dicks anyway.

The bank doesn't care who holds the mortgage or who was cheated to get it, they have a unpaid mortgage, they evict the occupants, that's it. From their point of the view, too bad so sad for the old woman, but she should take it up with the grandson. It's all just numbers on a balance sheet.

But I suspect they would ALSO go after the grandson, if he's the one that isn't paying up.

Meanwhile yeah, this is a good example of elder abuse. Locally to me there's various PSAs and posters about similar issues, the "is some young relative meddling in your money?" or "are you being pressured to give up legal powers to a relative?" and similar. The "meh, grandma will never notice, I can get her to add me to the account and then blow it all on stuff for me" type crimes. (Obviously there's legitimate and welcomed guardianship situations, but not all cases are so innocent.)

Either way I'm glad that they didn't throw them out. This really could have killed the two of them.

Hopefully everybody involved is brought up on charges. You don't get to ignore your legal duties whenever you feel like it.

Gwendolyn: I don't understand how that happened anyway.The woman's grandson somehow got a mortgage on the house without her knowing about it. How in the hell is that guy not in jail and the bank suing him for the money. Instead of doing something internally they go after the homeowners. Brilliant.

Hell maybe I'll just get a loan out for my neighbor's place. It's got to be worth $300,000 or so and their dicks anyway.

Going out on a limb but I bet he is in jail or dead, otherwise I bet they would be.

tukatz: Maybe if the banks had to set up an adequate housing alternative for the tenants before taking houses, they probably wouldn't push for so many evictions.

This case might still be screwed, but I know there are places pushing for laws protecting actual cash money renting tenants from being evicted when the landlord goes deadbeat and the house gets repossessed. Considering the market being what it is the odds are the house isn't going anywhere fast anyway, they try to let the tenant finish out the year lease or whatever it is (paying rent to the bank now).

What a Deutschebag.

Forced Perspective: This thread is epic. So, how old does somebody have to be before they're allowed to default on their obligations, consequence-free? I eagerly look forward to learning the cut-off for the free goodie gravy train.

ZONK

/RTFA jackass

clyph: StanTheMan: You realize the duty of a law enforcement officer is to enforce the law, right?

Cops used to be 'peace officers'. The duty of a peace officer is to keep the peace.

There's a big difference between a peacekeeper and an enforcer. Somewhere along the way we lost sight of that.

Yeah, and the main mode of transport used to be horse-drawn carriages. But here in 2011, we make police officers actually swear an oath to enforce the laws.

The reason we have LEO's evict people instead of security people hired by the bank is that people are more likely to comply with an LEO, i.e., it keeps the peace.

itazurakko: tukatz: Maybe if the banks had to set up an adequate housing alternative for the tenants before taking houses, they probably wouldn't push for so many evictions.

This case might still be screwed, but I know there are places pushing for laws protecting actual cash money renting tenants from being evicted when the landlord goes deadbeat and the house gets repossessed. Considering the market being what it is the odds are the house isn't going anywhere fast anyway, they try to let the tenant finish out the year lease or whatever it is (paying rent to the bank now).

That infringes upon the rights of the property owner though. Lets say I gave a mortgage to my buddy, he leased the place, and then failed to pay me what he owed me. I'd want him and all of his crap out of there as soon as the court agreed with me. I shouldn't have to deal with his renters, since their contract was with him.

I love her quote, "Once a man and twice a child."

Certainly not a case that makes things sympathetic. Especially the almost certain fraud on the part of the grandson. Of course, if they totally write it off, he not only gets the cash he pulled, but the house free, too. The bank should at least get any proceed from sale after these two go, and it shouldn't be inherited further.

On the other side of life, I'm the mortgagor ('contract for deed') on the house I grew up in. The biggest asset I inherited from my folks. In an area that made selling it conventionally really difficult. The people buying it are frequently a month or two behind, which I'm usually okay with, but I need the real threat that I can have them kicked out, or they wouldn't pay me out of their sense of moral obligation.

The difference in sympathy?

Is it that I'm not a giant multinational bank?

Is it that they're in their late 20s, not a centenarian?