There are non-exempt IT people?

Why on earth does this need to be a law?

Nice to see that companies are happy to have "interventions" and rules saying they can't pay, but scream and holler about the reverse...

/exempt anyway
//but very lucky to have a good public sector gig that treats me well

I was testing a post-production push from 3AM-5AM so instead of kicking at your replies I'm shutting down and going home now.

/have a good farkin' weekend, Steelers over Bengals thankyouverymuch

I'm an engineer that works long hours on projects without overtime. Welcome to the real world IT whiners.

make me some tea: "Sorry, the production server is down due to a bad hard drive. Since it's 5pm on a Friday and I'm not paid overtime, the replacement of the drive will have to wait until 9am Monday. It will be down for an hour on Monday morning, and then will be very sluggish for several hours thereafter while the RAID array rebuilds. I apologize for the inconvenience. If you wish to call out our consulting company to complete the work over the weekend, you may do so but they charge $175/hr. See you Monday."

THIS. People seem to forget IT even exists until there is a problem. Those Domain logins and backup servers don't run themselves.

I'd love to see IT become more like the medical profession in this regard (No conflict of interest stuff).
Starting your 3/4th year of residency you can moonlight at other hospitals. Meaning if you're single and have no life. You can easily make more in a month moonlighting than you could in 3-4 months at your "regular" job.

So you could just go moonlight for said consulting company and make it back that way.

WTF does she care how companies compensate their employees?

netweavr: There are non-exempt IT people?

i am!

make me some tea: "Sorry, the production server is down due to a bad hard drive. Since it's 5pm on a Friday and I'm not paid overtime, the replacement of the drive will have to wait until 9am Monday. It will be down for an hour on Monday morning, and then will be very sluggish for several hours thereafter while the RAID array rebuilds. I apologize for the inconvenience. If you wish to call out our consulting company to complete the work over the weekend, you may do so but they charge $175/hr. See you Monday."

See, normally they'd make you do the work anyway for free by threatening to fire you, but that can be a risky proposition when it involved the people who read your email.

JK8Fan: I'm an engineer that works long hours on projects without overtime. Welcome to the real world IT whiners.

ah yes the old "don't let anyone have anything nice because i don't have it" argument

why don't you instead argue you deserve to be fairly compensated for your work?

Overtime? I'd settle for health insurance or a raise every 5 years.

Weaver95: netweavr: There are non-exempt IT people?

well...me, for one. I rather like my shift differential and overtime pay.

see, basically the HR department is run by a guy who thinks us dirty IT operations people don't deserve to be exempt employees. it's a status thing for him.

we haven't seen fit to disabuse him of that notion.

Sounds like he's not the sort to notice this "law" then.

make me some tea: "Sorry, the production server is down due to a bad hard drive. Since it's 5pm on a Friday and I'm not paid overtime, the replacement of the drive will have to wait until 9am Monday. It will be down for an hour on Monday morning, and then will be very sluggish for several hours thereafter while the RAID array rebuilds. I apologize for the inconvenience. If you wish to call out our consulting company to complete the work over the weekend, you may do so but they charge $175/hr. See you Monday."

This. Malicious compliance FTW.

If there's anyone a company should know better than to piss off, it's their IT people.

Three classes from my MBA, so I'm approving of this plan. Although I could do without the coke.

I spent a while as a non-exempt programmer, because of some career self-sabotage that left me nominally "junior" enough.

Even in that branch office it was pretty rare.

It was cool / depressing to see management backpedal pretty quickly when they issued the usual "call to arms" to get people fixing stuff over the weekend, and I expressed interest.

OTOH we had a vendor come in and I had to get someone else to babysit him during my mandatory lunch break.

And to make sure it was a loss for us, when the company converted us they set our base pay rate so that 40 hours straight time + 5 hours time-and-a-half equaled our old salaries. So taking vacation now cost you money (time-and-a-half doesn't kick in until 40 hours worked, vacation time does not count), and if you missed some time it had a disproportionate impact.

On the third hand, that company's been listing my old job at 1.5x my old salary, via a temp agency, for 11 months now, with no apparent takers. Despite my health insurance costing 2.5 house payments, that warms my heart.

WTF does she care how companies compensate their employees?

B/C there is a friend of hers who owns a company, and is tired of paying IT people to fix his/her shiat and fark-ups.

I manage an office, and handle some of the basic IT tasks here...whenever some idiot screws up his system and stomps his feet it needs to be fixed, I just pull out that chart of rates for the consulting firm and tell him to shut the fark up and stop bringing down the server with infected porn sites.

And yes, it's usually a facebook application or porn site that is problem zero.

darkscout:
THIS. People seem to forget IT even exists until there is a problem. Those Domain logins and backup servers don't run themselves.

IT doesn't make money so the penny pinchers consider it to be overhead.

Witchyman: truck driver

I bet you make more than I do. I'm a computer programmer and sysadmin.

A (D) submitted this? She needs a good swatting on the nose with a rolled up newspaper. Bad. Bad.

/Franken too for supporting SOPA

The United States has become a third world country.

I work for a company that has a lot of clients overseas. Currently my main client is in the United Kingdom. Their engineers are subject to overtime laws. Ours are not. As a result, they dump all their work on us. There was one stretch where I had to work weekends six weeks in a row. That kind of nonsense is not sustainable.

I guess we've been doing it to China and Hong Kong all these years... what goes around comes around, I suppose.

tlchwi02: netweavr: There are non-exempt IT people?

i am!

THIS!
/one more grunt that's under-payed and needs OT to try and make it up
//After 14 years of this shiat I thought it'd be better

itsfullofstars: WTF does she care how companies compensate their employees?

IBM is one of her constituents.

As a salaried IT employee, who's on call 24x7 because of cut backs, I'm getting a kick out of you all complaining. Oh wait, no I'm not. I'm pissed because if something goes down at 2am, I'm expected to fix it with no pay and no compensation and then come in at 8:30am and do a full 8 hours. Data center power outages are really fun, too- 12 hours on a Sunday and then I'll see you Monday morning with nothing to show for it.

/I hate this damn job.

Somebody explain to me why this is any of the Federal Government's business?

No pay no work, I wonder how much up time will be lost.

netweavr: There are non-exempt IT people?

helpdesk

BOTH SIDES ARE BAD!

Cats_Lie: The United States has become a third world country.

You wouldn't say this if you've ever been to a third world country.

bootman: A (D) submitted this? She needs a good swatting on the nose with a rolled up newspaper. Bad. Bad.

/Franken too for supporting SOPA

Hagan is one of the least liberal Dems in existence. On the other hand her opponent was Elizabeth Dole - we're probably still better off.

/Our other Senator is Richard 'Republicans For Rape' Burr

So what does this mean for the industry...

People will stop converting to FT

or

Companies will stop hiring contractors because they can work the internal staff to death on sallary

make me some tea: "Sorry, the production server is down due to a bad hard drive. Since it's 5pm on a Friday and I'm not paid overtime, the replacement of the drive will have to wait until 9am Monday. It will be down for an hour on Monday morning, and then will be very sluggish for several hours thereafter while the RAID array rebuilds. I apologize for the inconvenience. If you wish to call out our consulting company to complete the work over the weekend, you may do so but they charge $175/hr. See you Monday."

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The sad part is, they will. Somebodies cousin owns the consulting company!

I'm hourly IT and a state employee (sort of, it's complicated) I'm at the office for 8.5 hours with a mandatory 1 hour lunch break. If I work a second longer, there is hell to pay.

At the beginning of the year all staff were warned to leave me the fark alone during my lunch break.

I don't check email after I get off at 4pm or weekends. Once when I had to deal with an emergency on a sick day, that 15 minute emergency translated into an extra hour off.

So.... trying to limit CEO pay is anathema to the american way, but limiting IT pay is good? Hokay then.

Haven't been working for 6 years, but my last job, exempt of course, paid three times what my wife makes as an 8-5 accountant. Don't miss the hours, but really miss the money.

Overtime pay? Sounds like union to me. Hell, they'd be lucky if they got a comp day if anything.

And god help them if it's IT for some company that happens to be global.

/Dealing with Hong Kong at 12 am EST is a blast.

What is this overtime you speak of? I'm on call 24/7 on alternating weeks. I love nothing more than being called at 3am by our London office because "the site is slow" My reply for that is "So what. I have a monitoring system that will page me when the problem is big enough to require my attention. Now go the fark away and let me sleep." it's even more irritating when the person has a cheery voice.

Gaseous Anomaly: IBM is one of her constituents.

So? IBM should change their policies. Does anyone think that this is going to fool educated people into thinking "oh well, the gubmint wants it this way"..

netweavr: There are non-exempt IT people?

I was also unaware. It was my impression that 40-hour work weeks were simply a luxury enjoyed by the finance/management drones.

There's a reason I didn't go into IT when I graduated; I didn't want to spend all damn day answering dumb questions about excel or power point. Nor did I want to dedicate my life making sure some self-important dbag's interwebs works. Network security and physical security ftw.

tlchwi02: JK8Fan: I'm an engineer that works long hours on projects without overtime. Welcome to the real world IT whiners.

ah yes the old "don't let anyone have anything nice because i don't have it" argument

why don't you instead argue you deserve to be fairly compensated for your work?


^this

Why is everyone in a race to eat the most shiat and smile the hardest about it?!?! You're lining up and throwing yourselves into the grinder, without even being asked???

GOD...I should hire some of you poor f*ckers, just to see what I can get you to do for how little. Have some f*cking self-worth, you miserable a**holes. YOU'RE RUINING LIFE FOR EVERYONE ELSE!

Helpdesk is not IT. That's like saying a day-laborer is an engineer.