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(BBC)   Thirty antique coins turned in after plea from authorities following metal detecting weekend in England. Police would like to thank a Mr. J. Iscariot for his honesty   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 33
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2011-12-02 04:19:38 PM
In b4 "In AmmURica, we getz to KEEP what we findz!"
 
2011-12-02 04:35:17 PM
That's kind of sad that you can find some treasure but have to give it back to the state. I can see if it was historically important, but it's just a bunch of old money.
 
2011-12-02 04:42:27 PM
That's why, when I die, I plan on leaving nothing behind except debts. The evil government has already gotten enough from me.
 
2011-12-02 04:44:40 PM
The British are strange.
 
2011-12-02 04:44:49 PM
Well, those coins just went up in value...
 
2011-12-02 04:45:45 PM

WhackingDay: That's kind of sad that you can find some treasure but have to give it back to the state. I can see if it was historically important, but it's just a bunch of old money.


Land of the Free*

(Some exceptions apply: including anything construed as terrorism, unapproved protesting, or voting Democrat in a Red State, but you're perfectly free to keep found ancient treasure, stockpile guns, and be completely free of evil, socialized medicine so you're free to be in debt for the rest of your life if you ever get seriously ill)
 
2011-12-02 04:48:00 PM

WhackingDay: That's kind of sad that you can find some treasure but have to give it back to the state. I can see if it was historically important, but it's just a bunch of old money.


The finder gives it to the state (generally for a museum), but gets the market value as a cash reward.

/young Indiana Jones approves
 
2011-12-02 04:48:29 PM
HOTY candidate
 
2011-12-02 04:50:40 PM

Silverstaff: Land of the Free*

(Some exceptions apply: including anything construed as terrorism, unapproved protesting, or voting Democrat in a Red State, but you're perfectly free to keep found ancient treasure, stockpile guns, and be completely free of evil, socialized medicine so you're free to be in debt for the rest of your life if you ever get seriously ill)


Well put.
 
2011-12-02 04:51:02 PM
I'm not from the UK, but it doesn't even looks like the coins in question need to be turned in as treasure under the 1996 act as the article claims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Act_1996

The only exception might be if the coins were discovered in a way that implied they had been deliberately hidden with the intention of recovery, however the fact that multiple coins were found by multiple people at a "metal-detecting event" makes you think the coins were scattered over a large area and not in one hidden cache.
 
2011-12-02 04:55:28 PM
I'd go back and bury them again.
 
2011-12-02 04:57:48 PM

WhackingDay: That's kind of sad that you can find some treasure but have to give it back to the state. I can see if it was historically important, but it's just a bunch of old money.


I believe in Britain, because of its history of multiple invasions, all buried "treasure" is considered a historical relic unless proven otherwise. Such relics belong to the Crown by statute. So finding a bunch of coins underground makes them presumptively of historical value unless or until it can be shown they were just randomly dropped by some passerby.

Besides, what are you going to do with a bunch of old Roman and Saxon coins? They're not particularly valuable on the open market.
 
2011-12-02 04:59:17 PM
That's as many as three tens. And that's terrible.
 
2011-12-02 05:08:16 PM
I found it in the water. Salvage rights.
 
2011-12-02 05:19:46 PM

Gyrfalcon: WhackingDay: That's kind of sad that you can find some treasure but have to give it back to the state. I can see if it was historically important, but it's just a bunch of old money.

I believe in Britain, because of its history of multiple invasions, all buried "treasure" is considered a historical relic unless proven otherwise. Such relics belong to the Crown by statute. So finding a bunch of coins underground makes them presumptively of historical value unless or until it can be shown they were just randomly dropped by some passerby.

Besides, what are you going to do with a bunch of old Roman and Saxon coins? They're not particularly valuable on the open market.


Keep em. I like old coins. They make great paper weights.
 
2011-12-02 05:31:16 PM

Gyrfalcon: I believe in Britain, because of its history of multiple invasions, all buried "treasure" is considered a historical relic unless proven otherwise. Such relics belong to the Crown by statute


Isn't it just lovely that the government can just pass a law saying your property is now their property, and there isn't shiat you can do about it?

Back when we had a functioning Constitution, the Government couldn't take private property without just compensation... but Kelo put the last nail in that protection's coffin. And don't even get me started on the travesty that is civil forfeiture (EG we steal your cash and you have to prove, at your expense, that it isn't illegal)
 
2011-12-02 05:57:59 PM

redmid17: Gyrfalcon: WhackingDay: That's kind of sad that you can find some treasure but have to give it back to the state. I can see if it was historically important, but it's just a bunch of old money.

I believe in Britain, because of its history of multiple invasions, all buried "treasure" is considered a historical relic unless proven otherwise. Such relics belong to the Crown by statute. So finding a bunch of coins underground makes them presumptively of historical value unless or until it can be shown they were just randomly dropped by some passerby.

Besides, what are you going to do with a bunch of old Roman and Saxon coins? They're not particularly valuable on the open market.

Keep em. I like old coins. They make great paper weights.


Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos agree. All that looted WWII gold was left on THEIR Phillipines.
 
2011-12-02 06:03:29 PM
The 1996 law is trumped by the ancient law of "Finders Keepers".
 
2011-12-02 06:08:11 PM
Wait, soooo the coins are thought to be worth 350 pounds each, do these people get anything for turning the coins in? I mean, besides getting shafted? 'cus fark you otherwise, I'd keep 'um.
 
2011-12-02 06:19:41 PM

Saborlas: In b4 "In AmmURica, we getz to KEEP what we findz!"


Another in b4 retard.
 
2011-12-02 06:34:46 PM

clyph: Gyrfalcon: I believe in Britain, because of its history of multiple invasions, all buried "treasure" is considered a historical relic unless proven otherwise. Such relics belong to the Crown by statute

Isn't it just lovely that the government can just pass a law saying your property is now their property, and there isn't shiat you can do about it?

Back when we had a functioning Constitution, the Government couldn't take private property without just compensation... but Kelo put the last nail in that protection's coffin. And don't even get me started on the travesty that is civil forfeiture (EG we steal your cash and you have to prove, at your expense, that it isn't illegal)


Actually I'm sure it was all considered Royal property well before the current laws were in place. Plus I guess it's not that different from water and mineral rights here.
 
2011-12-02 06:44:49 PM

Gyrfalcon: Besides, what are you going to do with a bunch of old Roman and Saxon coins? They're not particularly valuable on the open market.


--- Yes they are depending on condition.
And these were Victorian sovereigns!
 
2011-12-02 07:05:15 PM

Torqueknot: Wait, soooo the coins are thought to be worth 350 pounds each, do these people get anything for turning the coins in? I mean, besides getting shafted? 'cus fark you otherwise, I'd keep 'um.


You get paid market value for them. Government then usually turns it over to a Museum.

It's part of why the British Museum has the largest collection in the world (the main reason, of course, being that we pinched farking everything that wasn't nailed down during the Empire, up to and including the marble sculptures off the front of the Pantheon.).
 
2011-12-02 07:44:46 PM
I thought that the treasure act 1996 specified that the coins had to be over 300 years old at the time of discovery to be considered treasure (and thence turned in). Unless there is something I'm missing, these coins shouldn't apply.
 
2011-12-02 09:23:11 PM
IIRC in the UK the state requires treasure to be turned in, but the finder gets paid full current market value of the find. To discourage stuff being smuggled out of the country.
 
2011-12-02 09:34:19 PM
If I recall correctly, I remember watching this special on National Geographic about the largest anglo saxon gold hoards ever discovered. Some metal detecting enthusiast asks this farmer if he can search on his land, farmer OKs it but tells him he's not going to find anything. Guy ends up finding some 200+ pieces of anglo saxon gold that the gov't paid him over 2,000,000 Euros for. Him and the farmer split it evenly.
 
2011-12-02 10:00:51 PM
Everytime an englishman digs in his backyard they uncover a pile of coins. I wish I'd find something in my backyard other than stupid rocks.
 
2011-12-02 10:11:29 PM

Shirley Ujest: Everytime an englishman digs in his backyard they uncover a pile of coins. I wish I'd find something in my backyard other than stupid rocks.


Yeah, same here; but what we found was an old nasty septic tank that was probably 60-70 years old. Blechh. Just had to stop digging and leave that part of the yard alone.

Although, one does wonder: what kind of stuff might be in the bottom of the tank... rings accidentally lost down a drain, who knows?

Not gonna look!
 
2011-12-02 11:16:08 PM

clyph: Gyrfalcon: I believe in Britain, because of its history of multiple invasions, all buried "treasure" is considered a historical relic unless proven otherwise. Such relics belong to the Crown by statute

Isn't it just lovely that the government can just pass a law saying your property is now their property, and there isn't shiat you can do about it?

Back when we had a functioning Constitution, the Government couldn't take private property without just compensation... but Kelo put the last nail in that protection's coffin. And don't even get me started on the travesty that is civil forfeiture (EG we steal your cash and you have to prove, at your expense, that it isn't illegal)


Good thing that we're no longer under the CROWN then, yes?
 
2011-12-03 12:04:40 AM

Gyrfalcon: Good thing that we're no longer under the CROWN then, yes?


Meh.

We're no longer under a Constitution, either, in anything but name. Bush was right, it is just a goddamn piece of paper.
 
2011-12-03 12:29:50 AM
Finds Holy Grail.
You can't keep it you have to give it to the government.
Screw it, tosses it back fills in hole.
 
2011-12-03 12:40:59 AM

Lurajayne: Shirley Ujest: Everytime an englishman digs in his backyard they uncover a pile of coins. I wish I'd find something in my backyard other than stupid rocks.

Yeah, same here; but what we found was an old nasty septic tank that was probably 60-70 years old. Blechh. Just had to stop digging and leave that part of the yard alone.

Although, one does wonder: what kind of stuff might be in the bottom of the tank... rings accidentally lost down a drain, who knows?

Not gonna look!


I was helping my sister digging to install a backyard pool. Started discovering bones that were human sized, along with some very noxious smells. Luckily we started finding styrofoam packaging. Appeared to be the contents of a previous tenants freezer that had failed.

/live in Oregon
//large bones were probably deer or elk
 
2011-12-03 07:36:23 AM

Silverstaff: WhackingDay: That's kind of sad that you can find some treasure but have to give it back to the state. I can see if it was historically important, but it's just a bunch of old money.

Land of the Free*

(Some exceptions apply: including anything construed as terrorism, unapproved protesting, or voting Democrat in a Red State, but you're perfectly free to keep found ancient treasure, stockpile guns, and be completely free of evil, socialized medicine so you're free to be in debt for the rest of your life if you ever get seriously ill)


victim much?
 
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