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(New Scientist) Scary Let's build a beacon to tell aliens who we were. And don't forget to mention our soft, fleshy underbellies and delicious rib meat   (newscientist.com) divider line 66
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2011-12-02 09:42:25 AM
This will not be repeated 30,000 years from now.
 
2011-12-02 09:55:30 AM
And yes, I meant the beacon will start 30,000 years from now, and not 40,000.
 
2011-12-02 10:20:37 AM
Meh, the Morlocs will have taken over by then anyway.
 
2011-12-02 11:10:43 AM
I for one welcome our conquering alien overlords.
 
2011-12-02 11:11:55 AM
SilentStrider: And yes, I meant the beacon will start 30,000 years from now, and not 40,000.

Sees what you did there

i297.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-02 11:13:33 AM
I thought the headline said "bacon" at first.

mmmm, a bacon beacon.
 
2011-12-02 11:15:46 AM
Yeah, I'm probably gonna get yelled at for this one, but I think it falls in well with Subby's line of thinking.

They're made of meat- Terry Bisson 1990 (Free to all on the web, per the author)

THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT


"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."

"Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."

"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"

"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."

"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."

"No brain?"

"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."

"So ... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

"Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."

"Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"

"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."

"We're supposed to talk to meat."

"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"
"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"

"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."

"So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."

"That's it."

"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't remember?"

"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."

"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."

"And we marked the entire sector unoccupied."

"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"

"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."

"They always come around."

"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ..."

/commence snarking, but I think it's a CSB.
 
2011-12-02 11:18:21 AM
We don't need to build a beacon. When the stars are right the Great Old Ones will rise to destroy the earth! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
 
2011-12-02 11:18:34 AM
Headline: Let's build a bacon to tell aliens who we were.

That's how I read this at first.... and it was made worse when I saw the word "meat" in there too.

4 hours into the day and the coffee apparently hasn't kicked in yet.
 
2011-12-02 11:21:11 AM
We're already beaconing our presence, and have been since the earliest days of VHF/UHF/microwave radio*. In fact, if I have my numbers right, we should be able to detect a transmitter similar to our ballistic missile early warning radars out to something like 165 light years with an Arecibo-sized antenna. Even with a more modest steerable dish, say 30 meters diameter, you could still detect a radar like Cobra Dane out to 16 light years.

*ie., radio that isn't reflected or attenuated by the ionosphere.
 
2011-12-02 11:22:55 AM
encrypted-tbn2.google.com

/obligatory
 
2011-12-02 11:23:05 AM
I make meat sounds when I'm by myself.

/fap?
 
2011-12-02 11:24:37 AM
How to serve man.jpg
 
2011-12-02 11:25:22 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com

approves
 
2011-12-02 11:27:10 AM
If I had to send a message to the universe, this would not be it.
img337.imageshack.us
 
2011-12-02 11:27:13 AM
I will return to this thread in an hour. I expect to see lots of pictures of tasty rib meat. And none of that highly processed crap. I'm looking for the big juicy home grown variety.
 
2011-12-02 11:27:17 AM
gopher321: Meh, the Morlocs will have taken over by then anyway.

images.wikia.com
 
2011-12-02 11:27:47 AM
Anything smart enough to travel here has probably long outlived its need for meat.
 
2011-12-02 11:29:49 AM
fastcache.gawkerassets.com

Approves of headline
 
2011-12-02 11:30:22 AM
MaliFinn: If I had to send a message to the universe, this would not be it.
[img337.imageshack.us image 125x376]


So do we have to change our message since we changed the status of Pluto?
What if the outsiders don't share our opinion of Pluto and don't know where to find us?
 
2011-12-02 11:30:34 AM
dittybopper: We're already beaconing our presence, and have been since the earliest days of VHF/UHF/microwave radio*. In fact, if I have my numbers right, we should be able to detect a transmitter similar to our ballistic missile early warning radars out to something like 165 light years with an Arecibo-sized antenna. Even with a more modest steerable dish, say 30 meters diameter, you could still detect a radar like Cobra Dane out to 16 light years.

*ie., radio that isn't reflected or attenuated by the ionosphere.


You'd need one hell of an amplifier and filtering algorithm.

Pretty sure most radio waves don't make it much past out solar system before being so weak they get lost in the CBR.
 
2011-12-02 11:31:19 AM
shinjitsuism: [fastcache.gawkerassets.com image 469x555]

Approves of headline


I was so pissed when it was cancelled just as it was getting good. After farting around for a whole season, shiat starts getting real, and *BAM*. No more V.
 
2011-12-02 11:31:37 AM
Let's just hope they don't have Naughty Tentacles. (new window)

/I suck
 
2011-12-02 11:48:14 AM
The message should read: Need more thallium.
 
2011-12-02 11:48:22 AM
TyrantII: dittybopper: We're already beaconing our presence, and have been since the earliest days of VHF/UHF/microwave radio*. In fact, if I have my numbers right, we should be able to detect a transmitter similar to our ballistic missile early warning radars out to something like 165 light years with an Arecibo-sized antenna. Even with a more modest steerable dish, say 30 meters diameter, you could still detect a radar like Cobra Dane out to 16 light years.

*ie., radio that isn't reflected or attenuated by the ionosphere.

You'd need one hell of an amplifier and filtering algorithm.

Pretty sure most radio waves don't make it much past out solar system before being so weak they get lost in the CBR.


You're pretty wrong. Cosmic background radiation isn't as intense at microwave frequencies:

wiki-images.enotes.com

In fact, you could in theory, using 1.5 kilowatt transmitters in the 10 GHz ham band, reasonable dish sizes (say, 4 meters), and a slow weak signal mode like JT65A with available receiver sensitivities to communicate out to about 93 Astronomical Units, or roughly 3 times the distance to Neptune. It would take over 25 hours for you to receive a reply back from your initial transmission, but you could do it.

SETI range calculator.
 
2011-12-02 11:48:45 AM
dittybopper: I was so pissed when it was cancelled just as it was getting good. After farting around for a whole season, shiat starts getting real, and *BAM*. No more V.

Hopefully the networks learned to not spend the majority of a SciFi show on a teenage love story and the problem the teenager has with his/her parents?

I'm looking at you, Terra Nova.
 
2011-12-02 11:52:21 AM
xtragrind: Hopefully the networks learned to not spend the majority of a SciFi show on a teenage love story and the problem the teenager has with his/her parents?

I'm looking at you, Terra Nova.


That's not how you film a science fiction show on a budget.

You film them in a dark tunnel full of pipes, arguing.
 
2011-12-02 11:53:05 AM
www.rankopedia.com

/baby back ribs.
 
2011-12-02 11:54:16 AM
Grosseteste: Anything smart enough to travel here has probably long outlived its need for meat.

Go back to your tofu farm, hippie. PETA stands for People Eaten by Tyrannical Aliens.
 
2011-12-02 11:55:15 AM
FTFA: "But no extraterrestrials will even get the chance. The Arecibo transmission was aimed at a system 25,000 light years away that will have long since orbited out of the signal's path by the time it arrives in the vicinity."

Stupid reporter is stupid. I think that a cosmologist of Carl Sagan's calibre and the other astronomers involved in the Arecibo project probably understood this and the system to which it was pointed is not the actualy target.
 
2011-12-02 12:03:19 PM
Isnt this all just a plan for Earth/ humanities 'tombstone'? Which kinda leaves it with a 'yeah we killed ourselves, but look at all these reasons we shouldn't have..."

Though regarding the meat thing: Meet meat's smeat: Smeat
image.spreadshirt.com

/90% of of life (was) just showing up. Who said were weren't there?

/ fap fap fap fap
 
2011-12-02 12:05:23 PM
Any species will place its own survival before that of a different species.

Any species that has made it to the top on its planet of origin will be intelligent, alert, aggressive, and ruthless when necessary.

They will assume that the first two rules apply to us.


-The Killing Star

Maybe they'll assume that by broadcasting our position while being pretty much helpless disproves the whole "intelligent" thing and decide we aren't really really a threat.
 
2011-12-02 12:13:37 PM
Grosseteste: Anything smart enough to travel here has probably long outlived its need for meat.

But not sport.
 
2011-12-02 12:13:46 PM
Shadow Blasko: Yeah, I'm probably gonna get yelled at for this one, but I think it falls in well with Subby's line of thinking.

They're made of meat- Terry Bisson 1990 (Free to all on the web, per the author)

THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT



Probably one of my all-time favorite internet things.
 
2011-12-02 12:28:46 PM
Shadow Blasko: Yeah, I'm probably gonna get yelled at for this one, but I think it falls in well with Subby's line of thinking.

They're made of meat- Terry Bisson 1990 (Free to all on the web, per the author)


Why would anyone snark you? I was amused.
 
2011-12-02 12:32:47 PM
www.eeve.org

Great, the Zerg are gonna come on the run now
 
2011-12-02 12:40:09 PM
HailRobonia: The message should read: Need more thallium.

Should be: "Mutated. Destroy system."
 
2011-12-02 12:47:50 PM
i17.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-02 12:48:09 PM
Bag of Hammers: SilentStrider: And yes, I meant the beacon will start 30,000 years from now, and not 40,000.

Sees what you did there

[i297.photobucket.com image 401x454]


wrong pic


media.moddb.com

The Emperor protects broadcasts
 
2011-12-02 12:48:44 PM
I read that as, "Let's build a bacon"
 
2011-12-02 01:06:56 PM
Your typical human is made of a greasy hairy substance wrapped in a T-shirt.
 
2011-12-02 01:38:19 PM
Make sure it at least tells them how to destroy the reapers...

www.batrock.net
 
2011-12-02 01:39:38 PM
27.media.tumblr.com
 
2011-12-02 01:41:18 PM
Any truly intelligent race would know to stay well clear of this whack shop of a planet.
 
2011-12-02 01:46:22 PM
One Bad Apple: Bag of Hammers: SilentStrider: And yes, I meant the beacon will start 30,000 years from now, and not 40,000.

Sees what you did there

wrong pic

The Emperor protects broadcasts




I can hear the station call sign now:

Double-U-H Four O Kayyyyyyyyyy!.......in Holy Terrrrrra!!!!
 
2011-12-02 01:54:30 PM
"Anyone out there, you'd better stay away. Humans are enormous and devour suns. Don't think you can come take us over with superior technology because ours is the superior...est?...in the whole universe. OOOOOO! Booga booga! Stay away. We mean it."
 
2011-12-02 01:57:45 PM
bighollywood.breitbart.com

Be a beacon!
 
2011-12-02 02:00:02 PM
Grosseteste: Anything smart enough to travel here has probably long outlived its need for meat.

There's need, and then there's appetite.
 
2011-12-02 02:05:50 PM
We'll make great pets. (new window)

/Thread over.
 
2011-12-02 02:12:19 PM
McNignog: We'll make great pets. (new window)

/Thread over.


This will be in my head all day now. Thanks a lot.
 
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