Where the fark does it mention a homeless shelter?

FTA: The rest of the protestors were told that if they didn't leave, they would be charged with protesting.

What the fark?

I wonder what would happen if mayors sent in social services instead of paramilitarized police forces.

/I bet it would cost a helluva lot less

The rest of the protestors were told that if they didn't leave, they would be charged with protesting trespassing.

FTFT careless reporter

11of12: Where the fark does it mention a homeless shelter?

Right in the first f**king line: "Nearly 30 Occupy Tampa supporters were arrested".

sprawl15: FTA: The rest of the protestors were told that if they didn't leave, they would be charged with protesting.

What the fark?

I'm hoping that's just poor proofreading.

Looks like a planned confrontation with the police with the press invited, from what the article says.

Members of the group left Hixon Park, a place they had permission to stay in, and headed to Riverfront Park in a publicized march that the media were invited to attend.

so they went somewhere they knew they couldn't go and got arrested infront of the media as they wanted, what si the problem?

sprawl15: FTA: The rest of the protestors were told that if they didn't leave, they would be charged with protesting.

What the fark?

I would like to have an answer to this myself.

The My Little Pony Killer: I wonder what would happen if mayors sent in social services instead of paramilitarized police forces.

Send in Social Services to do what, exactly?

Indeed. Leaving Designated Free Speech Zones (DFSZs) is punishable by arrest, pepper spraying, and a tear gas canister to the noggin.

The My Little Pony Killer: I wonder what would happen if mayors sent in social services instead of paramilitarized police forces.

/I bet it would cost a helluva lot less

RTFA

shoegaze99: The My Little Pony Killer: I wonder what would happen if mayors sent in social services instead of paramilitarized police forces.

Send in Social Services to do what, exactly?

To aid the people at the camps who are there because of crisis. You know, all the homeless you farkers like to spout off about?

Kicking them to the curb and acting like they don't exist hasn't worked out too well, as you can tell by the fact that they're now protesting in thousands of cities around the world.

mootmah: The My Little Pony Killer: shoegaze99: The My Little Pony Killer: I wonder what would happen if mayors sent in social services instead of paramilitarized police forces.

Send in Social Services to do what, exactly?

To aid the people at the camps who are there because of crisis. You know, all the homeless you farkers like to spout off about?

Kicking them to the curb and acting like they don't exist hasn't worked out too well, as you can tell by the fact that they're now protesting in thousands of cities around the world.

You know how I know you didn't RTFA?

You know how I know your opinion doesn't matter?

yawn

Inb4 mootmah realizes that Occupy is about helping those individuals who are made the most vulnerable by society.

Nah, he'll be too busy giggling over the "dirty filthy hippies" being taken away by the po-po.

The My Little Pony Killer: Kicking them to the curb and acting like they don't exist hasn't worked out too well, as you can tell by the fact that they're now protesting in thousands of cities around the world.

It's okay though.
Squatting and homeless aid is picking back up on the West Coast, and indeed was never halted before now in anarchist circles.
People are starting to realize the logical disconnect between having a homeless problem and a massive amount of foreclosures and are willing to stand up to the street gang in blue, public bureaucrats, and private managers that deny them shelter.

Playinodds: Indeed. Leaving Designated Free Speech Zones (DFSZs) is punishable by arrest, pepper spraying, and a tear gas canister to the noggin.

There is a lot of problems to be upset about in this country.

Pretending that your rights are violated because you can't protest without any time, place, manner restrictions and that protesting allows you to break trespassing laws distracts fromt hese problems.

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Someone explain to me why I am supposed to care that a bunch of idiots got arrested for leaving the place they were allowed to be and going to one where they knew they weren't, with the direct intention of being arrested in front of the press.

Actually it would have been awesome to send in social services or some other group other than the police. Would take the wind out of the radical OWS tools.

I say radical because in my heart I support the right to protest and believe many of the more valid points made by OWS folks are spot on, but in general I think it's a hipster media circus.

mootmah: 11of12: Where the fark does it mention a homeless shelter?

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Beat me to it...DRTFA.

Why is it that the vast majority of people that claim constitutional rights were violated cannot understand what their constitutional rights are?

The My Little Pony Killer: To aid the people at the camps who are there because of crisis. You know, all the homeless you farkers like to spout off about?

Kicking them to the curb and acting like they don't exist hasn't worked out too well, as you can tell by the fact that they're now protesting in thousands of cities around the world.

Huh?

You appear to be confused. These aren't homeless people or folks in crisis, they are Occupy protesters who knowingly and willingly chose to trespass as part of an effort to garner media attention (hence them inviting the media). Getting attention and, in some cases arrested, was the plan.

So with that cleared up, why would you send in Social Services? They would do what, exactly?

I mean, if some of these people needed the help of Social Services, presumably they could go to the Social Services office or something.

Vespizzari: Someone explain to me why I am supposed to care that a bunch of idiots got arrested for leaving the place they were allowed to be and going to one where they knew they weren't, with the direct intention of being arrested in front of the press.

Actually it would have been awesome to send in social services or some other group other than the police. Would take the wind out of the radical OWS tools.

I say radical because in my heart I support the right to protest and believe many of the more valid points made by OWS folks are spot on, but in general I think it's a hipster media circus.

So since it's a hipster media circus, f--k their right to assemble?

Okaydokay.

What are they protesting.... it's getting confusing. Are they mad at black friday shoppers, banks in parks, big corporations taking over parks, or do they just want someone to pay their loans off and do a better job scheduling fall leaf curbside pickup near their condo....

Maybe it is hipsters. They probably just want to hang out and compare phone apps or something.

It's always nice seeing people protest corporate greed with $600.oo Iphones.

netcentric: What are they protesting.... it's getting confusing.


teabaggers are confused by a protest movement that is not astroturfed.

I don't disagree with their right to protest, but there is a time and place, and wandering around the streets in the middle of the night and going to places that are "closed" isn't the way to do it. Luckily with the idiots around here the protesters weren't confused for zombies.


/broke the greenlight cherry with this one.

Back in the 1980s, a cop friend of mine explained how there were nearly a dozen prisoners in the jail that every time they were released, they would intentionally re-offend in some small way in order to get back in jail because it had become like home to them. He would walk them out to the parking lot, they'd say "Wait a minute," pick up a brick and throw it at the police car and he'd escort them back in. There was no malice on either side as both understood what was going on and why. In more modern times and the higher jail usage, it would probably have a different outcome and could no longer be considered a free home for them.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Or do some people live in towns that have "social service" departments full of people ready to be dispatched to local parts to pat a bunch of clueless attention whores on the back?

Some areas have a Department of Social Services. At what level of government depends on your state (mine is county level, others are state level). They differ from place to place, but they generally administer and help connect people with, well, social services, whether public assistance programs or job training programs or child safety/welfare programs or elder care services or whatever.

For example, Hillsborough County has a Health & Social Services section of its Department of Family and Aging Services.

Mine is there to help people with income assistance programs, Medicade, and other social programs. They all work under the umbrella of that department.

netcentric: What are they protesting.... it's getting confusing. Are they mad at black friday shoppers, banks in parks, big corporations taking over parks, or do they just want someone to pay their loans off and do a better job scheduling fall leaf curbside pickup near their condo....

Maybe it is hipsters. They probably just want to hang out and compare phone apps or something.

I'm pretty sure you don't actually care, but here we go.

Campaign finance reform and lobbying reform to try and get money out of politics.

Reinstating of the glass stegal act.

Looking at corporate income tax reform,

Dealing with income inequity.

These are a few common topics of conversation at the camps I've been to.

Members of the group left Hixon Park, a place they had permission to stay in, and headed to Riverfront Park in a publicized march that the media were invited to attend.


Sooo: [NotASinglefarkWasGiven.jpg] ??

Instead of sitting around in their own stink singing kumbaya, how about organize petitions for referendums/addressing their lawmakers, run for office and change it from the inside? It seems they would rather get arrested multiple times for protesting while black to turn it in to an AW circus instead of something constructive that takes effort.

socratesthekidd: netcentric: What are they protesting.... it's getting confusing. Are they mad at black friday shoppers, banks in parks, big corporations taking over parks, or do they just want someone to pay their loans off and do a better job scheduling fall leaf curbside pickup near their condo....

Maybe it is hipsters. They probably just want to hang out and compare phone apps or something.

I'm pretty sure you don't actually care, but here we go.

Campaign finance reform and lobbying reform to try and get money out of politics.

Reinstating of the glass stegal act.

Looking at corporate income tax reform,

Dealing with income inequity.

These are a few common topics of conversation at the camps I've been to.

It's important to remember that none of these can be accomplished via normal political processes.
That's why the OWS is taking it to the streets.
They've also realized that Freedom of Speech is nothing without the Right to be Heard.

EnochEmery: socratesthekidd: netcentric: What are they protesting.... it's getting confusing. Are they mad at black friday shoppers, banks in parks, big corporations taking over parks, or do they just want someone to pay their loans off and do a better job scheduling fall leaf curbside pickup near their condo....

Maybe it is hipsters. They probably just want to hang out and compare phone apps or something.

I'm pretty sure you don't actually care, but here we go.

Campaign finance reform and lobbying reform to try and get money out of politics.

Reinstating of the glass stegal act.

Looking at corporate income tax reform,

Dealing with income inequity.

These are a few common topics of conversation at the camps I've been to.

It's important to remember that none of these can be accomplished via normal political processes.
That's why the OWS is taking it to the streets.
They've also realized that Freedom of Speech is nothing without the Right to be Heard.

I agree, its a systemic problem and this whole urban camping thing is actually the most effective way I see to get the massage out. Its drawing attention to the conversation

EnochEmery: They've also realized that Freedom of Speech is nothing without the Right to be Heard

You have absolutely no "right to be heard" in political speech.

That is tantamount to removing the rights from peopel who don't want to hear from you.

liam76: EnochEmery: They've also realized that Freedom of Speech is nothing without the Right to be Heard

You have absolutely no "right to be heard" in political speech.

That is tantamount to removing the rights from peopel who don't want to hear from you.

Heh, if the right to be heard bit was true then the ignore button on fark would be unconstitutional!

Also, this one was a bit meh, they went there just to get arrested.

liam76: Playinodds: Indeed. Leaving Designated Free Speech Zones (DFSZs) is punishable by arrest, pepper spraying, and a tear gas canister to the noggin.

There is a lot of problems to be upset about in this country.

Pretending that your rights are violated because you can't protest without any time, place, manner restrictions and that protesting allows you to break trespassing laws distracts fromt hese problems.

What's to stop a local government from restricting time, place, and manner to the point where assembling and protesting is useless and/or impossible? Do you agree or disagree with the use of so-called "free speech zones" in NYC during the 2004 GOP convention? If you can be arrested for trespassing on private property and in public parks, where do you have freedom to assemble? If assembling peaceably is a right, where is the line drawn on restrictions to that right?

...and if the government has the power to restrict rights, are they even rights?

Wow, if an this is all the rancor that can be developed, OWS is truley over.

ACfG can try harder with their next fiscal exercise.

I_Hate_Iowa: liam76: Playinodds: Indeed. Leaving Designated Free Speech Zones (DFSZs) is punishable by arrest, pepper spraying, and a tear gas canister to the noggin.

There is a lot of problems to be upset about in this country.

Pretending that your rights are violated because you can't protest without any time, place, manner restrictions and that protesting allows you to break trespassing laws distracts fromt hese problems.

What's to stop a local government from restricting time, place, and manner to the point where assembling and protesting is useless and/or impossible? Do you agree or disagree with the use of so-called "free speech zones" in NYC during the 2004 GOP convention? If you can be arrested for trespassing on private property and in public parks, where do you have freedom to assemble? If assembling peaceably is a right, where is the line drawn on restrictions to that right?

What is to stop a local govt from banning black people? In the same vein if someone tried that they woudl be smacked down in the courts.

You might want to read up on where the "free speech zones" got a start. And yes I agree with them. Since people think the first gives them the right to protest on private property, block traffic, etc that is the only way to safely allow any politically charged event to occur.

There is nothing in the first that say you have to be "given" a place to protest, and you have zero rights to do it on private property (without the permission of the owner). The line is drawn in the US where the govt can ban any action because it is a type of speech or speech. IE if you can reserve a park for a party you have to be allowed to reserve it for a protest. IF you aren't allowed to have a spontaneous party there without reserving it, you aren't allowed to have a protest.