Anyone who blames Jerry for this mess is eithter misinformed, or just biased against him.

I suspect we'll mostly see the latter, here on FARK.

Fact is that Jerry's "greed" had nothing to do with it, they've actually had significantly LARGER crowds at Cowboys Stadium in the past with no problems. The issue was that the contractors who were hired to put these particular temporary seats in FARKed up, and by the time those issues were discovered it was too late to correct them.

if you hire someone to do a job in good faith, and they do a shiatty job, you probably wouldn't think it was fair for people to blame YOU, or your "greed", for their shiatty work.

Pfft...as a Packers fan, had I traveled to the game only to be forced to watch it outside on a big TV because of piss poor planning on their part, hells yes I'd get all litigious on their asses.

3 G's: Anyone who blames Jerry for this mess is eithter misinformed, or just biased against him.

I suspect we'll mostly see the latter, here on FARK.

Fact is that Jerry's "greed" had nothing to do with it, they've actually had significantly LARGER crowds at Cowboys Stadium in the past with no problems. The issue was that the contractors who were hired to put these particular temporary seats in FARKed up, and by the time those issues were discovered it was too late to correct them.

if you hire someone to do a job in good faith, and they do a shiatty job, you probably wouldn't think it was fair for people to blame YOU, or your "greed", for their shiatty work.

Maybe I wouldn't think it's fair, but it's right. I would certainly take responsibility for it. Before it even got to that point I'd make damn sure to double-check the work during the job and once it's complete. The Cowboys are a pretty sizable organization...Jerry can afford to have someone dropping in to oversee operations.

Treygreen13: The NFL has said it went beyond its contractual obligations. According to the NFL, the approximately 2,800 people in temporary seating who were either delayed in gaining pregame access to their seats or were relocated to a different seat had options of taking the face value of their ticket or a ticket to a future Super Bowl.

The 475 people who were not able to be seated had several options: taking three times the face value ($2,400) plus a ticket to the next Super Bowl; or one game ticket to any future Super Bowl, plus airfare and four nights in a hotel; a check for $5,000; or a check for more than $5,000 as long as the fan had documented expenses.

Well I can certainly understand how they're upset but holy shiat, that's a big payday for being one of the .4% that were displaced due to having temporary seating declared unsafe right before the game.

Anyone who can say that they spent more than $5,000 to go to a football game is an idiot in the first place. If you are not satisfied with what the NFL has offered so far, you deserve nothing in this case. Their offers have been quite adequate.

forstmeister: Treygreen13: The NFL has said it went beyond its contractual obligations. According to the NFL, the approximately 2,800 people in temporary seating who were either delayed in gaining pregame access to their seats or were relocated to a different seat had options of taking the face value of their ticket or a ticket to a future Super Bowl.

The 475 people who were not able to be seated had several options: taking three times the face value ($2,400) plus a ticket to the next Super Bowl; or one game ticket to any future Super Bowl, plus airfare and four nights in a hotel; a check for $5,000; or a check for more than $5,000 as long as the fan had documented expenses.

Well I can certainly understand how they're upset but holy shiat, that's a big payday for being one of the .4% that were displaced due to having temporary seating declared unsafe right before the game.

Anyone who can say that they spent more than $5,000 to go to a football game is an idiot in the first place. If you are not satisfied with what the NFL has offered so far, you deserve nothing in this case. Their offers have been quite adequate.

The whole point of fans going to the SB is to see their favorite team playing and hopefully winning. Tickets to next year's SB are meaningless unless your team makes it back again that next year. The fans might have been compensated for the material things (ie hotel stay, airfare, SB ticket) but the NFL owes them for the time that got wasted because the host (NFL & Jerry on down the line) farked up. There is some merit to their suit, but I don't know how much will be left over after lawyer's fees.

Would you really be okay if this happened to you? The NFL basically said "Here's your money back. Sorry we wasted 4 days of your time and the chance to see your team play in possibly its only SB in your lifetime. Better luck next year." I'd be pretty god damn pissed.

/biased last sentence, but still a valid point

Treygreen13: they're getting compensated tremendously for the inconvenience of standing up to watch a game, something the Cowboys fans do every game right now.

Cowboys fans CHOOSE to watch the game standing up. They don't show up to the game with tickets for seats only to be told that those seats don't exist.

I don't have a gripe, I was at the Super Bowl for free and had a permanent seat. But if I'd spent a couple thousand dollars to see MY team play the Super Bowl then got dragged all over the stadium, you can bet I'd be pissed.

More importantly, if it wasn't Jerry involved, would you be so vocally defending the NFL's side?

Harv72b: redmid17: The whole point of fans going to the SB is to see their favorite team playing and hopefully winning. Tickets to next year's SB are meaningless unless your team makes it back again that next year. The fans might have been compensated for the material things (ie hotel stay, airfare, SB ticket) but the NFL owes them for the time that got wasted because the host (NFL & Jerry on down the line) farked up. There is some merit to their suit, but I don't know how much will be left over after lawyer's fees.

Would you really be okay if this happened to you? The NFL basically said "Here's your money back. Sorry we wasted 4 days of your time and the chance to see your team play in possibly its only SB in your lifetime. Better luck next year." I'd be pretty god damn pissed.

Your points might be valid if:

A) One of their options wasn't for tickets to any future Super Bowl, plus hotel & airfare.
B) The game wasn't between the Packers and Steelers.

I'll concede point B for a few teams, but it stands in generality. Point A still doesn't address the multiple days the NFL needs to compensate them for.

Yea, but if these people took the settlement how would the farking lawyers get paid?!

Treygreen13: I would. But let's talk about what you think would be fair.

The guys that got relocated are getting their ticket value refunded or a ticket to another Super Bowl. What else would you like to see them get?

And the guys 400 or so people who had to stand - how much is enough? A million a piece? What do you want them to get?

I don't know what would be fair, because it didn't happen to me. How do you compensate someone for an experience that didn't happen the way it should have?

For the amount of money the fans pump into the NFL, they should at least be guaranteed that seeing their team play in the Super Bowl is a once-in-a-lifetime experience with ZERO interference. "Well, they still got to see the game" is not an acceptable answer, and if you recall it was the Weeners from Jones and Goodell in the immediate aftermath. That's the attitude that would REALLY piss me off if I was one of the displaced fans.

MiKelly: Maybe I wouldn't think it's fair, but it's right. I would certainly take responsibility for it. Before it even got to that point I'd make damn sure to double-check the work during the job and once it's complete. The Cowboys are a pretty sizable organization...Jerry can afford to have someone dropping in to oversee operations.

Plus after that practice facility fell down crushing people a year or so before its hard to say that Jerry had no clue that you need to watch contractors like hawks.

Yanks_RSJ: How do you compensate someone for an experience that didn't happen the way it should have?

Hey, that sounds like the majority of my life. Who do I see about compensation?

/Oh wait, that's what Mrs. Q says about me. Never mind.

johnnyq: Yanks_RSJ: How do you compensate someone for an experience that didn't happen the way it should have?

Hey, that sounds like the majority of my life. Who do I see about compensation?

/Oh wait, that's what Mrs. Q says about me. Never mind.

Should have bought a ticket in the blowjob section.

Harv72b: Since you're hard of reading, I'll repeat it: they were offered (among other things) tickets to any future Super Bowl plus airfare & lodging, in addition to having been able to see that game in the stadium.

The ones who got seated in the stadium didnt get that offer. What makes you so sure the NFL wont overbook the Superbowl they cjhoose to attend and bump them again same as airlines do.

Treygreen13: So to recap; you don't know what they deserve, just that you're mad as hell and you're not going to take it anymore? Tell ya what, come up with what you think is fair, then we can talk about what isn't.

I'm saying I'm not going to blame them for being pissed off like you are. I'm glad you think they've been compensated "enough". Apparently they don't agree.

Treygreen13: You'd think if anyone could ensure that the NFL Championship game would have 470 tickets set aside for people, it would be the NFL.

I would have thought so too, then again I wouldn't have imagined that the NFL would have allowed a contractor to fail to deliver safe seating before the biggest game of the year.

Harv72b: Yanks_RSJ: For the amount of money the fans pump into the NFL, they should at least be guaranteed that seeing their team play in the Super Bowl is a once-in-a-lifetime experience with ZERO interference. "Well, they still got to see the game" is not an acceptable answer, and if you recall it was the Weeners from Jones and Goodell in the immediate aftermath. That's the attitude that would REALLY piss me off if I was one of the displaced fans.

The first Super Bowl was played in 1967. The Pittsburgh Steelers have played in eight of them, the Packers in five.

Since you're hard of reading, I'll repeat it: they were offered (among other things) tickets to any future Super Bowl plus airfare & lodging, in addition to having been able to see that game in the stadium. That's beyond fair, and in fact is quite generous on the part of the league. These people suing over it are idiots.

Indeed.

Treygreen13: Do you know anyone, if asked, who would say they are "compensated enough" for anything? I don't.

Do you know any billion dollar business that would offer a penny more compensation than they thought would be acceptable?

Treygreen13: It just sounds like a money grab.

It sounds like people feel like they were wronged by the NFL, and are going to let the courts decide rather than just accepting the league's offer. Goodell's a lawyer, surely he has no problem with that?

Treygreen13: Not like he has a choice. You can't say, "we're not going to be sued". What he can do is provide a defense in the case, rather than just paying anyone who asks for it any amount they want.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. I meant that as a member of the legal community he should embrace the idea that everyone is within their rights to have a judge determine "fair" compensation when a contract is breached.

Now, it seems like you've determined it, based on whatever information you've read. That doesn't make you correct.

Treygreen13: Or a penny more than they absolutely felt was necessary not to deal with a PR nightmare? None. I think anyone looking at it reasonably can look at what the NFL is offering and say that it's fair compensation.

The NFL is immune from a "PR nightmare". Don't be naive. They spent all summer arguing that $9 billion in revenue isn't enough, and they didn't lose a single fan. They certainly aren't going to take any financial hit by (theoretically) low-balling a few hundred fans.

Treygreen13: I disagree. You're already clamoring for these guys to get more compensation beyond free Super Bowl tickets because they were "delayed arriving at their seat".

If they had said, "tough shiat" and told the guys to get out of the stadium, people would be losing their goddamn minds about it.

When you say "delayed in arriving at their seat" you clearly attempt to minimize the issue. The lawsuit involves around 300 people. According to the article, 475 were "DENIED" a seat, with many others delayed or relocated. What you said is a blatant misrepresentation of the people involved in the lawsuit, which certainly doesn't help YOUR argument.

Treygreen13: Somebody in there was "delayed" and wants more money. Doesn't mean everyone was.

Yet you chose to categorize everyone involved as such.

Treygreen13: Let's agree to disagree and move on. You can pray to whoever it is you believe in that these poor souls get a trillion dollars and I can pray that legal fees eat up every dime they were supposed to get and they end up with nothing because they're greedy twatwaffles.

The facetious strawmen you've created for both of us should have a nice afternoon together.

Actually, I shouldn't assume that was a facetious characterization of your argument. Withdrawn.

Treygreen13: Give me a break. It's Friday and I was tired of arguing about this 5 posts ago. Yet I can't seem to stop myself from replying to you.

Somebody please help me.

That was my way of saying goodbye. Control your urge to reply, and enjoy the NFC East title.

If you sell something as a once in a lifetime event (therefore excusing the ridiculous ticket prices from day one) and even going so far as calling it "priceless" (credit card commercials with the NFL/Super Bowl) don't be surprised if a set dollar amount doesn't satisfy someone.

Turnabout is fair play. The NFL is extremely greedy with how tickets are handled regarding the Super Bowl because of what it is. It is next to impossible to get tickets at face value, and hard to get a single ticket (not including airfare, hotels, etc.) for less than 2K. They sell it as an experience. Now the NFL is getting to experience disappointment. Say this had happened when the Cardinals were in the Super Bowl, what are the odds of that happening again in the next 20 years?

People who GO TO THE SUPERBOWL to watch the Superbowl are morons.