People get too rilled up over these things. It was just a mistranslation, like the whole "Thou shalt not kill" thing in the bible. It's "Habeas cruciatus" in the original Latin version of the Constitution written by Jesus.

I farking hate Congress, I really do.

DarnoKonrad: Sometimes both sides are bad. Obama should veto.

He should, but I don't think he will. Unless he can get 27 Democrats to switch back to a sane vote, the veto will get overridden, and that's a torpedo into the side of the office. I think it should be done anyway, but if it didn't happen, it wouldn't be shocking.

When both the SecDef and the FBI Director say it's a bad idea, it's probably a BAD IDEA. Sure, they made a face-saving compromise at the last second to "ensure Americans won't be subject to this", but the bill is still a steaming pile of BS.

Those "severe defense cuts"? Simply a reduction in the amount that spending will increase next year. No real cuts to be found.

And the new detainee policy? A slap in the face of the Geneva convention and just about any sane idea of treating POWs. That McCain sponsored this renders any future talk from him on his years as a POW to be pure grandstanding and nothing more.

This quote from Sen. Ayotte sums up how bad this is:
"We need the authority to hold those individuals in military custody so we aren't reading them Miranda rights."

IMO, enough of this cr@p. Put all detainees on trial in Federal court immediately, with the evidence on hand. Either the Feds have a winning case, or they don't. If convicted, fry them. If acquitted, then they are released into a country that will take them.

All he needs to do is point out this portion of the bill when he vetoes. You think those ass-covering whiny little biatch congressmen will override his veto if the media grabs on to the "indefinite imprisonment without trial" bit?

Of course this ultimately benefits him, the White House, and future presidents, so why in god's name would he veto? This bill has little effect on his running for re-election but surely gives him reins for even more power, and ultimately he's a goddamn politician. Of course he's going to sign it. The people and their rights mean nothing to these monsters.

Please pay attention Democrats. This, right here, is why you shouldn't complain when the left tries to put pressure on the political system by bucking the Dems. Here's your precious "bipartisanship" in its full glory.