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bighasbeen: You may remember raves as that phenomenon you complained about not understanding back in the '90s. Well, they're back, and more off-putting than ever! Glow sticks, neon, that "dancing" thing you thought young people swore off with indie rock.

I knew it. A couple weeks ago I had to do the "I'm so out of the loop" thing in regards to dubstep and looked it up on youtube. My first reaction was, "So, it's like trance, but even more repetitive."

I wouldn't say it's like trance at all. For one, the BPM is way lower from what i've heard of dubstep.

cameroncrazy1984: cman: As a fan of Hardstyle, Handz-up, Eurodance, and Hardcore Techno, I can easily say that dubstep is the second worst form of Electronic Dance Music. It only barely is more tolerable than Synthpop and all that other Lady Gaga wannabe bullshiat.

None of those are real genres.

I feel really bad about myself for agreeing with cameroncrazy about anything, but... well, what he said. Electronic dance music doesn't even really even fill a genre of its own, it falls under the same "pop dance music" genre as disco. Two guys and a mule's preferred set of tropes do not constitute an entirely separate category of music, not even an insignificant and largely arbitrary one.

Would Aphex Twin be considered dubstep? I actually want to listen to a little dubstep but want to stay away from this Skrillex stuff. I remember liking that Come to Daddy song.

Jim_Callahan: cameroncrazy1984: cman: As a fan of Hardstyle, Handz-up, Eurodance, and Hardcore Techno, I can easily say that dubstep is the second worst form of Electronic Dance Music. It only barely is more tolerable than Synthpop and all that other Lady Gaga wannabe bullshiat.

None of those are real genres.

I feel really bad about myself for agreeing with cameroncrazy about anything, but... well, what he said. Electronic dance music doesn't even really even fill a genre of its own, it falls under the same "pop dance music" genre as disco. Two guys and a mule's preferred set of tropes do not constitute an entirely separate category of music, not even an insignificant and largely arbitrary one.

THIS (new window) disagrees.

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: As a fan of Hardstyle, Handz-up, Eurodance, and Hardcore Techno, I can easily say that dubstep is the second worst form of Electronic Dance Music. It only barely is more tolerable than Synthpop and all that other Lady Gaga wannabe bullshiat.

None of those are real genres.

This is Hardstyle (new window)
This is Happy Hardcore (new window)
This is old school Eurodance (new window)
This is Hard Trance (new window)

If you cannot tell that there are extreme differences between the two than get your hearing checked. The only thing they have in common is that they were made using electronic instruments. Besides that, they have different BPM's, different usages of Bass, some have vocals some don't.

Don't forget Eurobeat...and since I'm entirely too lazy to fact-check it, I'll just go out on a line and state that I'm pretty sure Initial D single-handedly introduced that genre to a shiatload of people. Dance Around the World (new window) is one of the better known songs from the series. Space Boy and Night on Fire are the other two.

Dub step (aka dumb n' bass) is only marginally different than a lot of other dance music, particularly drum n bass. It's certainly got a lot more going for it than any type of house music I've ever heard. As for the Skrillex kid, I had no idea he was that young. Good on him for already having two successful music projects at 23. Little bastard.

Uncle Gawker, tell us about techno (takes deep breath)

It really just sounds terrible. There is just too much stuttering, badly syncopated beats, and oddly inserted dubs(?) that make it unpalatable to me. It's the lack of continuity, cohesiveness, and flow that seem to define it, and it's the same things that make it sound like noise.

Now, if Danny Tenaglia could put together a set, I'd love to hear his take on the genre.

I'm a young'un who loves electronic music, and even I wish these dubstep derps would get off my lawn.

AverageAmericanGuy: It really just sounds terrible. There is just too much stuttering, badly syncopated beats, and oddly inserted dubs(?) that make it unpalatable to me. It's the lack of continuity, cohesiveness, and flow that seem to define it, and it's the same things that make it sound like noise.

Now, if Danny Tenaglia could put together a set, I'd love to hear his take on the genre.

That said, I have a few older albums (~1993-2000ish) which predate dubstep where precursors to the stuttering and syncopation are evident. And I enjoy those albums, so if there were acts today that used those things subtly and smartly, I can see myself liking dubstep. But would it even be dubstep at that point?

Dubstep is nice to dance to, provided you're good at it. It's not particularly nice to listen to.

I've always preferred listening to BT, the first Crystal Method album, Daft Punk, Praga Khan, Front Line Assembly, etc.

"If you live in London, perhaps you've scanned the FM spectrum and come to a halt at a pirate station whose sound you can't quite finger or figure. It's got house music's slinky panache, but the rhythm's wrong--too fitful and funked-up, and besides, there's an MC jabbering over the top, jungle-style. Maybe it's jungle, then--but then again, maybe not: too slow, too sexy. Sometimes it's a bit like American R&B--except it sounds druggy, the wrong kind of druggy: like Timbaland on E."
Simon Reynolds April 1999 (new window)

Simon Reynolds' Notes on the noughties: Grime and dubstep - a noise you could believe in (new window)

Electronica people -- Clarify something for me.


What genre are the following bands/artists:

D-Devils
Camille Jones
Fedde le Grand
Hocico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OwFtHm7ERg)
DJ Galvanization (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp-RfmVeteo)

And just what the hell is the difference between House and Trance?

I liked Dubstep when it was called Drum'n'Bass.. in 97.

Seriously though, dubstep is farking awful. It saddens me to think that DeadMau5 is just some old Toronto raver who decided to shiat all over a music scene that he came out of.

/I don't listen to any of that crap anymore
//csb

FiatJustitia: And just what the hell is the difference between House and Trance?

Funk

FiatJustitia: Electronica people -- Clarify something for me.


What genre are the following bands/artists:

D-Devils
Camille Jones
Fedde le Grand
Hocico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OwFtHm7ERg)
DJ Galvanization (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp-RfmVeteo)

And just what the hell is the difference between House and Trance?

The basic rhythm is the same, but trance songs are long form and actually have things like tempo changes and even key changes. They also tend to have more ambient noises and they're less likely to make you want to stab yourself in the ear with rusty scissors. You can think of trance as prog-house, but not quite like prog-rock which has time signature changes.

cman: FiatJustitia: Electronica people -- Clarify something for me.


What genre are the following bands/artists:

D-Devils
Camille Jones
Fedde le Grand
Hocico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OwFtHm7ERg)
DJ Galvanization (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp-RfmVeteo)

And just what the hell is the difference between House and Trance?

1. House music
2. Dance pop
3. Trance? Unsure of that one
4. Industrial Techno
5. Trance

House music samples far more music from other artists, and tend to have the same repeating synth sound throughout the whole song, whereas Trance samples some but not even close to the extent of House, and Trance takes breaks in the synth, and could even use a different variation at the end of the song.

Really appreciate it!

Serial: I liked Dubstep when it was called Drum'n'Bass.. in 97.

Can't say I did. The stripped-down and seemingly random baseline never did it for me.

I tried to get into D'n'B (Jungle), Trip Hop, Acid Jazz, and all the new experimental stuff coming out in the late 90s, but always returned to House and Trance.

It's all personal preference, I suppose.

Skrillex is wonderful.
He just is.

That goes to the 'electronic music is crap' crowd, as well as the 'im so electronic, this is bullshiat' crowd.
You're both wrong.

OK...I know this isn't "real" trance, but I just remember this song from my electronic music listening days and thought I'd leave it here because it's awesome (starts out slow, but builds into awesomeness).

Link (new window)

cman: They are quite similar but still have enough differences to be considered separate genres.

"Da-DUN-dun-dun-ditty-dundun. That's the way theirs goes. Ours goes DING-ding-ding-ditty-dingding-tsh. That little bitty change. It's not the same!"

skrillex was nominated for 5 grammys, not 3

/the headline needs fixing

jaylectricity: dubstep is great for 30 second commercials

I was trying to think of a way to phrase how I feel about dubstep, and I think this sums it up pretty well. It occasionally sounds good, but I get sick of it really quickly and parts of it are extremely grating.

cman: Link (new window)

I'll just leave this here. It is a documentary on the origins of House music. Everything you want to know about the transitions from the death of Disco to the rise of Dancepop is profiled.

It's alright, I wasn't planning on sleeping anyways -.-

To each his own...

/goes back to listening to Rammstein

AverageAmericanGuy: Serial: I liked Dubstep when it was called Drum'n'Bass.. in 97.

Can't say I did. The stripped-down and seemingly random baseline never did it for me.

I tried to get into D'n'B (Jungle), Trip Hop, Acid Jazz, and all the new experimental stuff coming out in the late 90s, but always returned to House and Trance.

It's all personal preference, I suppose.

I listened to pretty much everything back then. I kind of had to, given I was working for a store that was pretty much the heart of the Toronto scene back then. Plus having guest list for every event and club was a nice perk.

Dubstep explained: The music that sounds like two Transformers having angry sex.

cman: /Except those damn Synth-pop people.
//Really, how the fark does anyone like Lady Gaga like crap?

LGG:synthpop::Skrillex:dubstep

cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: cman: They are quite similar but still have enough differences to be considered separate genres.

"Da-DUN-dun-dun-ditty-dundun. That's the way theirs goes. Ours goes DING-ding-ding-ditty-dingding-tsh. That little bitty change. It's not the same!"

Are Nu-Metal and Industrial Metal considered the same genre? No, they are not. Although most of the time most people cannot tell the difference between the two they are still separate genres recognized by everyone.

Well, to be honest I was just taking the excuse to quote Vanilla Ice.

But yeah, I don't understand the urge to split hairs and say that an artist is playing a whole new kind of music every time they slightly vary the current subgenre formula. Metal or otherwise. It's all cut awfully damn fine for no good reason.