sigdiamond2000: The NBA should just contract to 6 teams and be done with it.

exick: SnakeLee: It's so blatant he is colluding it's not even funny.

I don't think it counts as collusion if there's no CBA in effect.

Isaiah Thomas ruined the CBA.

sigdiamond2000: The NBA should just contract to 6 teams and be done with it.

Where does Portland fit into the equation?

FishyFred: This is why, despite David Stern's best efforts, nobody in the country outside of New York, Boston, Miami, or L.A. cares about basketball.

Portland?

Nabb1: Meh, go f*ck yourself, Paul. You'll always just be in Drew's shadow in this town no matter what, anyway. The NBA is such a farking waste if you aren't in one of the only five or six markets anyone cares about.

The best teammate he's had down there, David West, had his knee blow up and is most likely gone anyway to be a really good team's mid-level exception (I highly doubt he's getting anywhere near a max deal unless he's had the best rehabilitation in the history of, well, ever).

You can thank the Heat for paving the way for young stars to collude "decide to pursue other opportunities together"

It's ok, *squeak* (timeout) Toronto lived without gatball for a *squeak* (time out) *squeak* long time *sqeuak* (timeout)

Chris Paul is sort of like Suh. Has this clean image off the court, but does some pretty dirty things on it. Remember when he punched Julius Hodge in the nuts at Wake Forest? Remember when he and Rondo got in that tussle on the court and Paul waited outside his locker room?

He's lying about the trade thing just like he lied about it last year. And I don't want to see why he'd want to play with Melo and Amare - playing with Dwight Howard would give him a much better chance at winning a title. That would be the best 1-2 combo in the NBA as far as how they'd play.

sigdiamond2000: The NBA should just contract to 6 teams and be done with it.

Imagine the spike in crime rates.

FishyFred: Gunny Highway: Portland?

I'd be interested to see TV ratings from Portland and Seattle (and now OKC) adjusted and compared to the four cities I named. But when was the last time a player tried to force a trade to any of those cities?

I dont know. I was just pointing out that people in Portland would be pissed if the team was contracted.

Every major league could stand to lose some teams.

ThisNameSux: sigdiamond2000: The NBA should just contract to 6 teams and be done with it.

Imagine the spike in crime rates.

How would crime rates spike?

Taylor-sama: ThisNameSux: sigdiamond2000: The NBA should just contract to 6 teams and be done with it.

Imagine the spike in crime rates.

How would crime rates spike?

Why bother getting into that conversation?

Gunny Highway: sigdiamond2000: The NBA should just contract to 6 teams and be done with it.

Where does Portland fit into the equation?

FishyFred: This is why, despite David Stern's best efforts, nobody in the country outside of New York, Boston, Miami, or L.A. cares about basketball.

Portland?

NYC, BOS, MIA, CHI, LAL, POR

Problem solved.

PowerSlacker: NYC, BOS, MIA, CHI, LAL, POR

It is a shame that the Mavs dont get to defend their title.

But why not.

Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: NYC, BOS, MIA, CHI, LAL, POR

It is a shame that the Mavs dont get to defend their title.

But why not.

If you really want to make absurd team cutting numbers, throw in OKC, Dallas, move a team to Seattle and the Sixers or something for 10.

/Contraction isn't the answer
//But that might just be because all the teams I like are on the contraction block
///Would like less teams in the playoffs, though.

Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: NYC, BOS, MIA, CHI, LAL, POR

It is a shame that the Mavs dont get to defend their title.

But why not.

Dallas is a football town anyway. Relocate them and Mark Cuban to Portland. Paul Allen needs to go.

Gunny Highway: Taylor-sama: ThisNameSux: sigdiamond2000: The NBA should just contract to 6 teams and be done with it.

Imagine the spike in crime rates.

How would crime rates spike?

Why bother getting into that conversation?

What conversation?

PowerSlacker: Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: NYC, BOS, MIA, CHI, LAL, POR

It is a shame that the Mavs dont get to defend their title.

But why not.

Dallas is a football town anyway. Relocate them and Mark Cuban to Portland. Paul Allen needs to go.

Teams are popular when they are winning. Im sure the Pacers and Rockets did great in the 90's. I dont think teams need to be moved because they have produced a winner in a while.

I guess I dont count though. I like the NBA. It is perfect but it is the one we have.

Portland is the answer though. All shiatty teams should be moved to Portland.

PowerSlacker: Dallas is a football town anyway. Relocate them and Mark Cuban to Portland. Paul Allen needs to go.

Portland is a f*cking mess right now, salary-wise. $33 million for this year tied up in Marcus Camby, no-knee cartilage Brandon Roy (great player but his ceiling might be crashing down on him), and the who-the-fark-knows-if-he'll-ever-play-again Greg Oden.

If you count the versatile defending yet inconsistent scoring Gerald Wallace, that pile of unmovable money for this year becomes over $44 mil. I know the new deal has this "amnesty" thing for sucky contracts but they could be in a world of hurt regardless of who's owning that club.

sigdiamond2000: The NBA should just contract to 6 teams and be done with it.

12 would be great.

Boston
Philly
Chicago
Detroit
Miami
Orlando

Dallas
Houston
San Antonio
Portland
LA Lakers
Phoenix

knicks?

fail

coolio mack: Chris Paul is sort of like Suh. Has this clean image off the court, but does some pretty dirty things on it. Remember when he punched Julius Hodge in the nuts at Wake Forest? Remember when he and Rondo got in that tussle on the court and Paul waited outside his locker room?

He's lying about the trade thing just like he lied about it last year. And I don't want to see why he'd want to play with Melo and Amare - playing with Dwight Howard would give him a much better chance at winning a title. That would be the best 1-2 combo in the NBA as far as how they'd play.

As a Magic fan I would love to see the Magic work a deal for Paul, but I just don't think Orlando has the assets to swing a trade. However it's probably the only scenario where CP and DH could play together. Orlando would be foolish though if they didn't at least make an offer probably consisting of future first round picks and some combination of Jameer Nelson, JJ Redick, Brandon Bass, or Ryan Anderson.

As for Paul's request to be traded to New York that is likely just as unfeasible. New York dealt just about everything of value to Denver in the Melo trade and probably would be better suited with solid role players rather than another go to guy.

gtfan92: hulk hogan meat shoes: sigdiamond2000: The NBA should just contract to 6 teams and be done with it.

12 would be great.

Boston
Philly
Chicago
Detroit
Miami
OrlandoAtlantaNew York

Dallas
Houston
San Antonio
Portland
LA Lakers
Phoenix

FTFReality

FishyFred: This is why, despite David Stern's best efforts, nobody in the country outside of New York, Boston, Miami, or L.A. cares about basketball.

In the other three major sports, athletes might prefer a few cities or want to go to a winner, but it's a farking epidemic in the NBA. I've never heard of a baseball player, football player (other than T.O. and Randy Moss), or hockey player virtually sabotaging his team until they give into his demand for a trade.

There's a couple of reasons why Basketball is different.
1) In Baseball, there's no artificial limits on player's salary, so a superstar player can make more money playing in Cleveland than in NY.
2) The fans and media are much more critical of superstar basketball players than any other sport. Think about it, the Phillies this year had more talent than the Miami Heat, the Phillies lost in the first round of the playoffs, the heat lost in the finals. But it was the Heat that choked.
3) The Basketball season is long, really long, why would anybody want to spend it in a place where the nightlife consists of the Cheesecake Factory.
4) If your income is limited by factors outside your control, one must find other revenue streams. There is far more opportunity in larger cities.
5) Hockey, Baseball and Football players tend to be rural kids - you need space to play those games, whereas Basketball players are urban kids. So there's the comfort level as well. Remember there are plenty of Hockey, Baseball and Football players who are on record refusing to play in big cities.

hulk hogan meat shoes: sigdiamond2000: The NBA should just contract to 6 teams and be done with it.

12 would be great.

Boston
Philly
Chicago
Detroit
Miami
Orlando

Dallas
Houston
San Antonio
Portland
LA Lakers
Phoenix

If we're contracting to 12 teams, then only large markets/regions should be considered. No Orlando, or San Antonio since you already have two other Texas cities in there.

/you can probably make a case for no Portland either, but ideally some Pac NW representation should be there in that kind of scenario.

Komplex: FishyFred: This is why, despite David Stern's best efforts, nobody in the country outside of New York, Boston, Miami, or L.A. cares about basketball.

In the other three major sports, athletes might prefer a few cities or want to go to a winner, but it's a farking epidemic in the NBA. I've never heard of a baseball player, football player (other than T.O. and Randy Moss), or hockey player virtually sabotaging his team until they give into his demand for a trade.

There's a couple of reasons why Basketball is different.
1) In Baseball, there's no artificial limits on player's salary, so a superstar player can make more money playing in Cleveland than in NY.
2) The fans and media are much more critical of superstar basketball players than any other sport. Think about it, the Phillies this year had more talent than the Miami Heat, the Phillies lost in the first round of the playoffs, the heat lost in the finals. But it was the Heat that choked.
3) The Basketball season is long, really long, why would anybody want to spend it in a place where the nightlife consists of the Cheesecake Factory.
4) If your income is limited by factors outside your control, one must find other revenue streams. There is far more opportunity in larger cities.
5) Hockey, Baseball and Football players tend to be rural kids - you need space to play those games, whereas Basketball players are urban kids. So there's the comfort level as well. Remember there are plenty of Hockey, Baseball and Football players who are on record refusing to play in big cities.

Wow, that pretty much sums up the situation perfectly.

Even pro skiers and snowboarders move out of Utah as soon as they can.

FishyFred: I've never heard of a baseball player, football player (other than T.O. and Randy Moss), or hockey player virtually sabotaging his team until they give into his demand for a trade.




Oh hai

Komplex: FishyFred: This is why, despite David Stern's best efforts, nobody in the country outside of New York, Boston, Miami, or L.A. cares about basketball.

In the other three major sports, athletes might prefer a few cities or want to go to a winner, but it's a farking epidemic in the NBA. I've never heard of a baseball player, football player (other than T.O. and Randy Moss), or hockey player virtually sabotaging his team until they give into his demand for a trade.

There's a couple of reasons why Basketball is different.
1) In Baseball, there's no artificial limits on player's salary, so a superstar player can make more money playing in Cleveland than in NY.
2) The fans and media are much more critical of superstar basketball players than any other sport. Think about it, the Phillies this year had more talent than the Miami Heat, the Phillies lost in the first round of the playoffs, the heat lost in the finals. But it was the Heat that choked.
3) The Basketball season is long, really long, why would anybody want to spend it in a place where the nightlife consists of the Cheesecake Factory.
4) If your income is limited by factors outside your control, one must find other revenue streams. There is far more opportunity in larger cities.
5) Hockey, Baseball and Football players tend to be rural kids - you need space to play those games, whereas Basketball players are urban kids. So there's the comfort level as well. Remember there are plenty of Hockey, Baseball and Football players who are on record refusing to play in big cities.

Also, can people stop using the term collusion to describe players trying to play together? The term has a nasty negative connotation of illegality (probably part of the reason it's so popular) that just never sat right with me. Lots of these guys are friends and they do want to play with together, that's understandable. It wasn't collusion with LeBron and Wade and it's not collusion now.

/Don't hate the Heat, well, not for the assembly of their team last year
//LeBron is sill an asshat who went about the wrong way and earned his ire
///fark LeBron

Whoops, didn't mean to quote the entire post again for my last post. Posting from a phone sucks

Komplex: FishyFred: This is why, despite David Stern's best efforts, nobody in the country outside of New York, Boston, Miami, or L.A. cares about basketball.

In the other three major sports, athletes might prefer a few cities or want to go to a winner, but it's a farking epidemic in the NBA. I've never heard of a baseball player, football player (other than T.O. and Randy Moss), or hockey player virtually sabotaging his team until they give into his demand for a trade.

There's a couple of reasons why Basketball is different.
1) In Baseball, there's no artificial limits on player's salary, so a superstar player can make more money playing in Cleveland than in NY.
2) The fans and media are much more critical of superstar basketball players than any other sport. Think about it, the Phillies this year had more talent than the Miami Heat, the Phillies lost in the first round of the playoffs, the heat lost in the finals. But it was the Heat that choked.
3) The Basketball season is long, really long, why would anybody want to spend it in a place where the nightlife consists of the Cheesecake Factory.
4) If your income is limited by factors outside your control, one must find other revenue streams. There is far more opportunity in larger cities.
5) Hockey, Baseball and Football players tend to be rural kids - you need space to play those games, whereas Basketball players are urban kids. So there's the comfort level as well. Remember there are plenty of Hockey, Baseball and Football players who are on record refusing to play in big cities.

1. NBA players are the highest paid athletes on the planet.
2. This is a subjective opinion...the media was hyper critical of Lebron due to his douchey actions but on average they aren't that critical of most players
3. The NBA season is shorter than baseball and nearly the same length as hockey
4. Dwight Howard is in a small market and I believe led the league in endorsement deals.
5. Lots of NBA players come out of small towns. I really haven't seen any stats to suggest more nba players come from urban environments than other sports so unless you have data to back this up it's just speculation.

The main way I see nba players as different is simply that teams place a higher value on their stars and thus the stars carry more weight. Seemingly for good reason because a single great player can have enormous impact on the team's performance. Where as other sports are more reliant on a well balanced team. Jordan created this dynamic but the truth is really no one else has quite lived up to this idea of the dominant individual concept of winning since...and the Mavs proved that perhaps the teams have overvalued the individual and should place more emphasis on building a well balanced team.

@ Mayo Slather: And don't forget, Jordan had one of the greatest supporting casts of all time.

FishyFred: This is why, despite David Stern's best efforts, nobody in the country outside of New York, Boston, Miami, or L.A. cares about basketball.

In the other three major sports, athletes might prefer a few cities or want to go to a winner, but it's a farking epidemic in the NBA. I've never heard of a baseball player, football player (other than T.O. and Randy Moss), or hockey player virtually sabotaging his team until they give into his demand for a trade.





/did it twice

Oklahoma City: that's the center of the basketball world.

coolio mack: Chris Paul is sort of like Suh. Has this clean image off the court, but does some pretty dirty things on it. Remember when he punched Julius Hodge in the nuts at Wake Forest?

That was beautiful. Just beautiful. He made many new fans that day.

MayoSlather: 1. NBA players are the highest paid athletes on the planet.
2. This is a subjective opinion...the media was hyper critical of Lebron due to his douchey actions but on average they aren't that critical of most players
3. The NBA season is shorter than baseball and nearly the same length as hockey
4. Dwight Howard is in a small market and I believe led the league in endorsement deals.
5. Lots of NBA players come out of small towns. I really haven't seen any stats to suggest more nba players come from urban environments than other sports so unless you have data to back this up it's just speculation.

1) But Superstars and Rookies are vastly underpaid for their performance. Derick Rose made a bit under 7 million last year. This year he's due to make 9. He's the fourth highest paid player on his team. If you use a stat metric like wins produced, you'll see many of the non-rookie player are max (near max) contracts - Howard, Pau Gasol, Wade, Nash, LBJ & Wade. By reducing the amount of money a player can make, they are increasing the importance of non-financial factors. For example, a friend of mine is an academic. He was offered two jobs last year. One in the UK and one on the Persian Gulf (the safe part). He chose the one in the Persian Gulf, because they offered him about 100K more. If the salaries were even, he would be in the UK. Shiatty places have to pay more for talent.
2) No, it's pretty obvious, in the NFL you have guys beating and raping women getting less shait than LBJ got because was insensitive to Cleveland fans. NBA player have a dress code that covers their commute to work.
3) Basketball takes a greater toll on the body than baseball. Basketball players travel a lot more than baseball players. And hockey players think the cheesecake factory is the bomb.
4) The last time Orlando had a center as good as Howard, he was doing pretty well in endorsements - but he left for LA and then his outside earning power really took off.
5) Sure there's a significant number that come from small towns, and they'll choose to stay in small towns. You have Duncan in SA, Michael Redd in Milwaukee, KD in OKC.

Finally, Chauncey Billups wanted to stay in Denver, but they shipped his ass out to NYC.

Imagine if Vegas got a team. Low cost of living, no state tax and tons of 24 hour VIP nightlife. It would be a farking free agent stampede.

since we arent limiting our suggestions to rational ideas how about

we chop off everyone in the nbas feet. come on, feet are super over rated and only exist to sell shoes

farbekrieg: since we arent limiting our suggestions to rational ideas how about

we chop off everyone in the nbas feet. come on, feet are super over rated and only exist to sell shoes

Dude, chopping off feet is SO seventeeth century. Hands are where it's at now.