shiat, I've been saying they should do this for about ten years. Although why Obsidian Entertainment is legally allowed to continue making video games, I don't know.

I had a lot of fun with the South Park N64 shooter game, in retrospect it may have been a shiatty game but I was too young to care. I plan on enjoying this. If done right, it could be a lot of fun for fans of the show.

hawcian: What's wrong with Obsidian? New Vegas was pretty good

It was also one of the glitchiest games I've ever played, and I just finished Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing

Mike_LowELL: shiat, I've been saying they should do this for about ten years. Although why Obsidian Entertainment is legally allowed to continue making video games, I don't know.

I'm also puzzled by this.

Fallout: New Vegas has serious issues with bugginess (although, given the engine, I'm not sure how much to blame Obsidian for that), but the game, overall, was top notch. It's easily one of the best expansions that I've ever seen.

So, what am I missing?

hawcian: I've seen you say this before. What's wrong with Obsidian? New Vegas was pretty good, and KotoR II was not entirely their fault. Is there some other series they destroyed?

They've been given sequel duties on Neverwinter Nights, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Fallout, and Dungeon Siege. The first three projects feature an inexcusable amount of bugs and while I've only played the Dungeon Siege 3 demo, nothing in that game suggests to me there's anything worth mentioning there. Their only original project (Alpha Protocol) apparently went through such a disastrous development cycle that the game featured meaningful role-playing and then managed to screw up every other aspect. While the game mechanics in their products may be roughly equal to their predecessors (and that's not surprising, because they had established blueprints to work with), the number of bugs in their games don't suggest they have done anything to merit the line of work they've contracted. I mostly feel the same way about Ninja Theory, whose work on Heavenly Sword and Enslaved: Odyssey to the West somehow yielded them sequel work on Devil May Cry.

DeusMeh: could you play New Vegas more than 20 consecutive minutes without a crash? if you answered yes, you're either the only one who could or you're a liar

F:NV had some bugs but plenty of people could play it without a crash. I played it from start to finish without a single one, and that was pre-patch.

YMMV.

Treygreen13: DeusMeh: could you play New Vegas more than 20 consecutive minutes without a crash? if you answered yes, you're either the only one who could or you're a liar

F:NV had some bugs but plenty of people could play it without a crash. I played it from start to finish without a single one, and that was pre-patch.

YMMV.

My game would crash when I entered the Vegas Strip unless I was wearing a red beret. That doesn't make sense.

If it wasn't for Old World Blues, I would've said New Vegas was like a 7 (9 without glitches). OWB is my one of my favorite DLCs from any game.

scottydoesntknow: My game would crash when I entered the Vegas Strip unless I was wearing a red beret. That doesn't make sense.

Considering the quest in Novac that required a certain NPC to be wearing a red beret, I can see how it occurred. But it is definitely not something you'd expect to see in a game crash report.

physt: I'm with you. I don't know what all the belly aching is about. I'm playing NV now and it rocks. I love the idea of a South Park RPG.

The concept of a South Park role-playing game sounds awesome and I'm stunned that it wasn't done years ago. Choice of developer is the concern, particularly since they're not going to be creating a direct sequel and re-using an established blueprint.

Obsidian gets a lot of hate for pretty weak reasons IMO.

I really liked KOTOR 2 (ducks) and New Vegas was a lot of fun as well. I did run into one game-breaking glitch during the NV mission where you defend the president while he gives his speech, and that did cause me to put the game down for a few months, but overall I had about 50 hours of fun with it. Went back to it later and got it to work in two tries and finished the next 5-6 hours of the game without issue.

Treygreen13: DeusMeh: could you play New Vegas more than 20 consecutive minutes without a crash? if you answered yes, you're either the only one who could or you're a liar

F:NV had some bugs but plenty of people could play it without a crash. I played it from start to finish without a single one, and that was pre-patch.

YMMV.

It had a map that only allowed exploration of about 2/3rds of it. They made it look big, but it was extremely linear. All exploration and adventure was taken out. The massive amounts of enemies (15 deathclaws at a time?) and lack of vats energy forced you to play it like an FPS, and the mechanics were not good enough for that.

The story itself was poor, and that's all it had. The world, the ambiance and the horrible linearity made it a bad game.

sprawl15: adamgreeney: They made it look big, but it was extremely linear. All exploration and adventure was taken out.

On the contrary, one of my biggest problems with FO3 was how it resembled Oblivion in having a huge amount of shiat to explore but the vast majority of it was meaningless and empty. At least in Oblivion there was end loot so you'd have a chance at getting a magical item upgrade, in FO3 the weapon selection was so limited there wasn't really any moving up. If you wanted to play a sniper type, you used the hunting rifle from level 2 to level 20, with occasionally switching over to the sniper rifle (when you had the extremely rare ammo) for particularly strong mobs).

One of my biggest gripes about NV was the invisible walls. You would be shown a marker and told to go there. Well turns out it's just over that hillside...that hillside with an invisible wall at the top to prevent you from getting there so you end up having to hike-jump all the way around the hillside and double back around. IIRC Vault 22 was what initially irked me, and also the mining area with all of the deathclaws. You should've been able to hop over the ridge, but no the invisible walls said "Screw you, you're going right in the front door."

skyotter: a South Park RPG needs a game-within-a-game section where you're playing Make Love Not Warcraft.

seriously. make that happen, devs!



/OKAMA Gamesphere!

sprawl15: scottydoesntknow: One of my biggest gripes about NV was the invisible walls. You would be shown a marker and told to go there

I had the same problem with FO3 while going through DC, with invisible walls on top of the rubble.

I do remember being really annoyed a few times in NV at not being able to take the high ground, though, since I normally play a sneaky sniper type.

But, just like mountains, the rubble was clearly a block. The walls in NV were on a straight road. You would be running on a flat road and hit a wall. The entire boarder was inaccessible, so why have so much map occupied by it? Why funnel the player? At least FO3 only had those in a few spots