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(LA Times) Asinine Police suddenly and instantly drive protestors out of encampment, then complain about the stuff they left behind that the police would not give them time to take with them when they drove them out with no opportunity to gather the stuff   (latimesblogs.latimes.com) divider line 82
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2011-12-01 01:52:28 PM
www.coldbacon.com
 
2011-12-01 02:16:32 PM
LOL Diogenes. "fruit jellies"
 
2011-12-01 03:45:35 PM
TheDumbBlonde: LOL Diogenes. "fruit jellies"

I love B. Kliban.
 
2011-12-01 03:48:59 PM
Pretty sure who submitted this one...
 
2011-12-01 03:57:22 PM
The sheer volume of personal belongings left behind after the early morning Los Angeles Police Department raid has astonished city workers: books and CDs, luggage and boom boxes, mattresses and dining chairs, cellphones, electric razors, a small red guitar with its neck snapped -- all surrounded by dozens of collapsed and empty tents.

A steady flow of people stopped by the park Wednesday to take photos and video and watch workers in white hazmat suits rake trash into neat piles.


So pretty much what the end of any state fair, sporting event, or Nascar race would look like if everyone were forced to get up and leave. The Hazmat suits are just there for the narrative. These aren't farking plague victims. It's like every other large gathering of humans in the entire farking country. I don't see the janitors in Hazmat suits cleaning up after the Super Bowl, or Mardi Gras, or St. Patrick's day,
 
2011-12-01 03:58:13 PM
Sergeant Grumbles: The sheer volume of personal belongings left behind after the early morning Los Angeles Police Department raid has astonished city workers: books and CDs, luggage and boom boxes, mattresses and dining chairs, cellphones, electric razors, a small red guitar with its neck snapped -- all surrounded by dozens of collapsed and empty tents.

A steady flow of people stopped by the park Wednesday to take photos and video and watch workers in white hazmat suits rake trash into neat piles.

So pretty much what the end of any state fair, sporting event, or Nascar race would look like if everyone were forced to get up and leave. The Hazmat suits are just there for the narrative. These aren't farking plague victims. It's like every other large gathering of humans in the entire farking country. I don't see the janitors in Hazmat suits cleaning up after the Super Bowl, or Mardi Gras, or St. Patrick's day,


Those things involve alcohol. So they're OK.
 
2011-12-01 04:03:03 PM
Diogenes: Sergeant Grumbles: The sheer volume of personal belongings left behind after the early morning Los Angeles Police Department raid has astonished city workers: books and CDs, luggage and boom boxes, mattresses and dining chairs, cellphones, electric razors, a small red guitar with its neck snapped -- all surrounded by dozens of collapsed and empty tents.

A steady flow of people stopped by the park Wednesday to take photos and video and watch workers in white hazmat suits rake trash into neat piles.

So pretty much what the end of any state fair, sporting event, or Nascar race would look like if everyone were forced to get up and leave. The Hazmat suits are just there for the narrative. These aren't farking plague victims. It's like every other large gathering of humans in the entire farking country. I don't see the janitors in Hazmat suits cleaning up after the Super Bowl, or Mardi Gras, or St. Patrick's day,

Those things involve alcohol. So they're OK.


the alcohol kills the germs?
 
2011-12-01 04:03:19 PM
They were given plenty of warning to pick up their things and clean up their trash.
 
2011-12-01 04:07:35 PM
Sergeant Grumbles: I don't see the janitors in Hazmat suits cleaning up after the Super Bowl, or Mardi Gras, or St. Patrick's day,

To be fair, the people who have to clean up after Mardi Gras or St. Patrick's Day probably should get Hazmat suits.

As for sporting events and concerts and the like, those things involve giving rich people money so that makes everything clean and sanitary. I don't understand why you libs don't get this. If it involves giving rich people your money everything is cool. If it involves voicing your opposition to rich people taking your money, it's dirty and dangerous and everything that happens to you, including Officers of Peace calmly basting you in cleansing chemical agents, is your own fault and deserved.
 
2011-12-01 04:08:42 PM
I really hope they keep doing shiat like this. Keep the pressure on, dopes.
 
2011-12-01 04:14:03 PM
Splinshints: To be fair, the people who have to clean up after Mardi Gras or St. Patrick's Day probably should get Hazmat suits.

Can't really disagree. But they don't, and the hazmat suits are just there to make the protestors look worse. "They're not just dirty, they're diseased." That, and probably for a contractor to charge the city extra for cleanup.
 
2011-12-01 04:14:40 PM
Splinshints: If it involves voicing your opposition to rich people taking your money, it's dirty and dangerous and everything that happens to you, including Officers of Peace calmly basting you in cleansing chemical agents vegetable products, is your own fault and deserved.

FTFY
 
2011-12-01 04:19:00 PM
Sergeant Grumbles: So pretty much what the end of any state fair, sporting event, or Nascar race would look like if everyone were forced to get up and leave. The Hazmat suits are just there for the narrative. These aren't farking plague victims. It's like every other large gathering of humans held in a place without adequate sanitation for 2 months in the entire farking country. I don't see the janitors in Hazmat suits cleaning up after the Super Bowl, or Mardi Gras, or St. Patrick's day,

I really don't think the "narrative" has much to do with it
 
2011-12-01 04:34:22 PM
skullkrusher: I really don't think the "narrative" has much to do with it

You're trying to refute the narrative with the narrative. "Dirty, diseased hippies".
 
2011-12-01 04:35:18 PM
skullkrusher: I really don't think the "narrative" has much to do with it

It does. People in hospitals clean up blood and feces from people with AIDs and all sorts of other things regularly without using hazmat suits. To the lei person the hazmat suits make sense but anyone who deals with sanitation and disease on a professional level knows that it's ludicrous. Hazmat suits are only brought out in the most serious airborne illness situations.
 
2011-12-01 04:39:13 PM
skullkrusher: Sergeant Grumbles: So pretty much what the end of any state fair, sporting event, or Nascar race would look like if everyone were forced to get up and leave. The Hazmat suits are just there for the narrative. These aren't farking plague victims. It's like every other large gathering of humans held in a place without adequate sanitation for 2 months in the entire farking country. I don't see the janitors in Hazmat suits cleaning up after the Super Bowl, or Mardi Gras, or St. Patrick's day,

I really don't think the "narrative" has much to do with it


Rubber boots gloves and face masks would have sufficed. HAZMAT is overkill and done for the cameras.
 
2011-12-01 04:39:53 PM
Sergeant Grumbles: skullkrusher: I really don't think the "narrative" has much to do with it

You're trying to refute the narrative with the narrative. "Dirty, diseased hippies".


never said anything about "dirty, diseased hippies".
People living in cramped space 24 hours a day for a few months without access to decent sanitation is quite a bit different than the mess left by people watching a parade for a few hours. You would recognize this if you weren't trying so desperately to find evidence of conspiracy and "narrative"
 
2011-12-01 04:40:54 PM
The protesters would probably be more likely to take their stuff if the police didn't smash it all up first.
 
2011-12-01 04:56:13 PM
skullkrusher: People living in cramped space 24 hours a day for a few months without access to decent sanitation is quite a bit different than the mess left by people watching a parade for a few hours. You would recognize this if you weren't trying so desperately to find evidence of conspiracy and "narrative"

I don't disagree with your first point. But you're ignorant if you haven't seen nor heard attempts to paint the protestors as far and away dirtier than the average person or grouping of people in order to discredit them.

the_geek: It does. People in hospitals clean up blood and feces from people with AIDs and all sorts of other things regularly without using hazmat suits. To the lei person the hazmat suits make sense but anyone who deals with sanitation and disease on a professional level knows that it's ludicrous. Hazmat suits are only brought out in the most serious airborne illness situations.

THIS.
 
2011-12-01 05:02:28 PM
Sergeant Grumbles: I don't disagree with your first point. But you're ignorant if you haven't seen nor heard attempts to paint the protestors as far and away dirtier than the average person or grouping of people in order to discredit them.

sure, people have said that. Of course this isn't evidence that the superintendent of sanitation for the north central district of LA is trying to advance that notion. Or do you think the mayor called and said "make the guys wear hazmat suits so we can make these people look dirtier than normal people"?

I mean, if you believe that fine but I just ain't seeing it. It apparently IS farking filthy there. Hell, as far as we know the union could be demanding they wear these suits. Apparently the Dept of Sanitation has hazmat suits. If not for this sort of thing, what are they for?
 
2011-12-01 05:04:34 PM
skullkrusher: Sergeant Grumbles: So pretty much what the end of any state fair, sporting event, or Nascar race would look like if everyone were forced to get up and leave. The Hazmat suits are just there for the narrative. These aren't farking plague victims. It's like every other large gathering of humans held in a place without adequate sanitation for 2 months in the entire farking country. I don't see the janitors in Hazmat suits cleaning up after the Super Bowl, or Mardi Gras, or St. Patrick's day,

I really don't think the "narrative" has much to do with it


Begging the question, much?
 
2011-12-01 05:13:28 PM
skullkrusher: Or do you think the mayor called and said "make the guys wear hazmat suits so we can make these people look dirtier than normal people"?

More like, "I keep hearing these dirty hippies do nothing but shiat everywhere. Maximum precautions, regardless of actual threat."
 
2011-12-01 05:17:05 PM
Don't forget to bring bleach.
 
2011-12-01 05:26:26 PM
Um, the protestors were given several days notice to get the fark out.
 
2011-12-01 06:23:08 PM
Hitler gave Poland a week's notice before he invaded, and pretty much the same thing happened. Did the Poles leave? No. Did they even clean their shiat up before Hitler carted them off to the ovens? Please.
 
2011-12-01 06:27:58 PM
Phil Moskowitz: I really hope they keep doing shiat like this. Keep the pressure on, dopes.

Giving illegal encampments adequate warning as to when they would be cleared out, and then actually doing so?

What bastards....
 
2011-12-01 06:41:58 PM
Ontos: Giving illegal encampments peaceably assembled citizens exercising their constitutional rights adequate warning as to when they would be cleared out, and then actually doing so?

FTFY.
 
2011-12-01 06:45:48 PM
Suddenly? Didn't they give them a few days warning first?

Marcus Aurelius: Hitler gave Poland a week's notice before he invaded, and pretty much the same thing happened. Did the Poles leave? No. Did they even clean their shiat up before Hitler carted them off to the ovens? Please.

I didn't know the protesters had declared that park their own country. Also, no one was murdered by an insane dictator. Your statement is absurd.

skullkrusher: Sergeant Grumbles: I don't disagree with your first point. But you're ignorant if you haven't seen nor heard attempts to paint the protestors as far and away dirtier than the average person or grouping of people in order to discredit them.

sure, people have said that. Of course this isn't evidence that the superintendent of sanitation for the north central district of LA is trying to advance that notion. Or do you think the mayor called and said "make the guys wear hazmat suits so we can make these people look dirtier than normal people"?

I mean, if you believe that fine but I just ain't seeing it. It apparently IS farking filthy there. Hell, as far as we know the union could be demanding they wear these suits. Apparently the Dept of Sanitation has hazmat suits. If not for this sort of thing, what are they for?


Seems fairly logical, besides, why does it matter what they were wearing when they cleaned up the park?
 
2011-12-01 06:48:55 PM
Sergeant Grumbles: Ontos: Giving illegal encampments peaceably assembled citizens exercising their constitutional rights adequate warning as to when they would be cleared out, and then actually doing so?

FTFY.


Hmm, I think I'm going to try and occupy a campground site instead of booking and paying for it next time. They can't kick me out because I'm just exercising my constitutional right to protest wherever and whenever I feel like.
 
2011-12-01 07:00:01 PM
change1211: Hmm, I think I'm going to try and occupy a campground site instead of booking and paying for it next time. They can't kick me out because I'm just exercising my constitutional right to protest wherever and whenever I feel like.

Fark's collectively dumb enough as it is. Please don't dumb it down further.
 
2011-12-01 07:04:33 PM
It's not fair, but don't biatch and whine when you lose your Airbook when you should have been using a $150 notebook that could easily be stolen or left behind during a raid.
 
2011-12-01 07:08:54 PM
change1211: Seems fairly logical, besides, why does it matter what they were wearing when they cleaned up the park?

because the garbage men are conspiring against the occupiers. Duh.
 
2011-12-01 07:12:20 PM
skullkrusher,change1211: Seems fairly logical, besides, why does it matter what they were wearing when they cleaned up the park?
because the garbage men are conspiring against the occupiers. Duh.


I bet someone is enjoying those notebook computers, DVD players, mp3 players, portable TV's and other little toys to make life more tolerable.
 
2011-12-01 07:15:50 PM
skullkrusher: because the garbage men are conspiring against the occupiers. Duh.

Please tell my why the responses to all OWS protests seem ratcheted up to 11 by all opposing parties? Cops in riot gear? Cleanup crews in hazmat suits? There is no reason for either one and no similar grouping of people receives the same treatment. Nevermind the constant media whining about how dirty and filthy the protestors are (and how clean the Tea Party is!), why the completely insane ratcheting up in the scale and severity of the reaction?
 
2011-12-01 07:21:12 PM
"lei person?"

That would be an attractive young lady from the Hawaiian Tourism Board.
 
2011-12-01 07:21:59 PM
change1211: Suddenly? Didn't they give them a few days warning first?

Marcus Aurelius: Hitler gave Poland a week's notice before he invaded, and pretty much the same thing happened. Did the Poles leave? No. Did they even clean their shiat up before Hitler carted them off to the ovens? Please.

I didn't know the protesters had declared that park their own country. Also, no one was murdered by an insane dictator. Your statement is absurd.


Not as absurd as forcibly removing peaceful protesters from a park at midnight with a captive press contingent in a so-called "free country". Now, if you agree that America isn't a "free country", then of course, my statement is absurd.

Do you agree?
 
2011-12-01 07:23:47 PM
Sergeant Grumbles: why the completely insane ratcheting up in the scale and severity of the reaction?

You forgot to mention that these actions only happen after nightfall.

What's the matter PoPo Mr. Mayor? Frightened that someone might see what you've ordered to be done?
 
2011-12-01 07:30:22 PM
2wolves: Sergeant Grumbles: why the completely insane ratcheting up in the scale and severity of the reaction?

You forgot to mention that these actions only happen after nightfall.

What's the matter PoPo Mr. Mayor? Frightened that someone might see what you've ordered to be done?


Not to mention the "embedded" reporters.
 
2011-12-01 07:37:58 PM
The removal of the Occupiers from Los Angeles may be one of the best handled and politest so far in the country, and the only one done with the cooperation or at least knowledge of the protestors themselves. There was no beating, no gassing, and only one person hit with a rubber bullet (when he wouldn't come down from a tree). A few rocks got thrown. There's even already funding in place to pay for the cost of the removal. Even the protestors were impressed with the way the cops handled themselves, and the cops were not bad-mouthing the Occupiers.

Check out the story here: Link (new window)

Sometimes, the cops do learn from (others) mistakes.
 
2011-12-01 07:40:18 PM
Gyrfalcon: The removal of the Occupiers from Los Angeles may be one of the best handled and politest so far in the country, and the only one done with the cooperation or at least knowledge of the protestors themselves. There was no beating, no gassing, and only one person hit with a rubber bullet (when he wouldn't come down from a tree). A few rocks got thrown. There's even already funding in place to pay for the cost of the removal. Even the protestors were impressed with the way the cops handled themselves, and the cops were not bad-mouthing the Occupiers.

Check out the story here: Link (new window)

Sometimes, the cops do learn from (others) mistakes.


The LA Times reporters were "embedded" with the cops.

Do you have a source that didn't have a built-in conflict of interest?
 
2011-12-01 07:41:49 PM
Marcus Aurelius: change1211: Suddenly? Didn't they give them a few days warning first?

Marcus Aurelius: Hitler gave Poland a week's notice before he invaded, and pretty much the same thing happened. Did the Poles leave? No. Did they even clean their shiat up before Hitler carted them off to the ovens? Please.

I didn't know the protesters had declared that park their own country. Also, no one was murdered by an insane dictator. Your statement is absurd.

Not as absurd as forcibly removing peaceful protesters from a park at midnight with a captive press contingent in a so-called "free country". Now, if you agree that America isn't a "free country", then of course, my statement is absurd.

Do you agree?


How about calling it a freeish country, that seems like a fair compromise.

On one side, yes they did force the people in the park to stop protesting, however a valid argument can be made against the protesters, technically speaking they were trespassing. I think their message may be better received if they were able to protest without long-term use of public land.

2wolves: Sergeant Grumbles: why the completely insane ratcheting up in the scale and severity of the reaction?

You forgot to mention that these actions only happen after nightfall.

What's the matter PoPo Mr. Mayor? Frightened that someone might see what you've ordered to be done?


Aren't there usually less people there during the night? I bet that has something to do with it.

Sergeant Grumbles: change1211: Hmm, I think I'm going to try and occupy a campground site instead of booking and paying for it next time. They can't kick me out because I'm just exercising my constitutional right to protest wherever and whenever I feel like.

Fark's collectively dumb enough as it is. Please don't dumb it down further.


Hah, if you subtract some of the valid points the OWS protesters have that's pretty much what's going on.
 
2011-12-01 07:43:39 PM
Marcus Aurelius: Gyrfalcon: The removal of the Occupiers from Los Angeles may be one of the best handled and politest so far in the country, and the only one done with the cooperation or at least knowledge of the protestors themselves. There was no beating, no gassing, and only one person hit with a rubber bullet (when he wouldn't come down from a tree). A few rocks got thrown. There's even already funding in place to pay for the cost of the removal. Even the protestors were impressed with the way the cops handled themselves, and the cops were not bad-mouthing the Occupiers.

Check out the story here: Link (new window)

Sometimes, the cops do learn from (others) mistakes.

The LA Times reporters were "embedded" with the cops.

Do you have a source that didn't have a built-in conflict of interest?


If it's a story about everyone behaving well it must be biased?

I did find the bit about the guy in the tree a bit entertaining.
 
2011-12-01 07:44:34 PM
change1211: Hah, if you subtract some of the valid points the OWS protesters have that's pretty much what's going on.

I told you once already. You've even shown me you already knew the answer to your own question and were therefore being intentionally stupid. Stop dumbing down fark. It's bad enough as it is.
 
2011-12-01 07:48:31 PM
change1211: Marcus Aurelius: Gyrfalcon: The removal of the Occupiers from Los Angeles may be one of the best handled and politest so far in the country, and the only one done with the cooperation or at least knowledge of the protestors themselves. There was no beating, no gassing, and only one person hit with a rubber bullet (when he wouldn't come down from a tree). A few rocks got thrown. There's even already funding in place to pay for the cost of the removal. Even the protestors were impressed with the way the cops handled themselves, and the cops were not bad-mouthing the Occupiers.

Check out the story here: Link (new window)

Sometimes, the cops do learn from (others) mistakes.

The LA Times reporters were "embedded" with the cops.

Do you have a source that didn't have a built-in conflict of interest?

If it's a story about everyone behaving well it must be biased?

I did find the bit about the guy in the tree a bit entertaining.


It's a story that allowed exactly ten reporters to join the police, and the rest of the reporters were arrested. Hence my allusion to Nazi Germany.
 
2011-12-01 07:50:53 PM
Gyrfalcon,Sometimes, the cops do learn from (others) mistakes.

Yeah, all you have to do is screw thing up so much you have to have federal authorties take over management.

/Yes, from what I understand local admin was given control back about two years ago.
 
2011-12-01 07:51:04 PM
change1211: Marcus Aurelius: Gyrfalcon: The removal of the Occupiers from Los Angeles may be one of the best handled and politest so far in the country, and the only one done with the cooperation or at least knowledge of the protestors themselves. There was no beating, no gassing, and only one person hit with a rubber bullet (when he wouldn't come down from a tree). A few rocks got thrown. There's even already funding in place to pay for the cost of the removal. Even the protestors were impressed with the way the cops handled themselves, and the cops were not bad-mouthing the Occupiers.

Check out the story here: Link (new window)

Sometimes, the cops do learn from (others) mistakes.

The LA Times reporters were "embedded" with the cops.

Do you have a source that didn't have a built-in conflict of interest?

If it's a story about everyone behaving well it must be biased?

I did find the bit about the guy in the tree a bit entertaining.


This is what I'm talking about.
 
2011-12-01 07:59:37 PM
Marcus Aurelius: This is what I'm talking about.

That's pretty effed, though I am not surprised.

/living in the state where it's illegal to film police
 
2011-12-01 08:04:49 PM
Marcus Aurelius: Gyrfalcon: The removal of the Occupiers from Los Angeles may be one of the best handled and politest so far in the country, and the only one done with the cooperation or at least knowledge of the protestors themselves. There was no beating, no gassing, and only one person hit with a rubber bullet (when he wouldn't come down from a tree). A few rocks got thrown. There's even already funding in place to pay for the cost of the removal. Even the protestors were impressed with the way the cops handled themselves, and the cops were not bad-mouthing the Occupiers.

Check out the story here: Link (new window)

Sometimes, the cops do learn from (others) mistakes.

The LA Times reporters were "embedded" with the cops.

Do you have a source that didn't have a built-in conflict of interest?


Oh, mother of god, it's the same reports we've been getting since the Occupation started, the same reports I personally got when I spoke to some of the protestors myself. Just because everything went off without a hitch, does that mean there was some kind of conspiracy about it? Yes, they did restrict access--so? All the Occupiers had cell phones and cameras, and nothing's been posted contradicting the official reports. No stories have shown up on Twitter or Facebook of brutalized people or pepper-sprayed victims.'

I totally agree that a media blackout was inappropriate, and that the ACLU was right to file a protest. But the LAPD and Mayor Villaraigosa's office has been amazing in their restraint and willingness to talk with the OccupyLA people since this began. Since all this started, NOBODY has been beaten or abused at our location, and nothing really negative has happened. If the ONLY thing you can biatch about is that there wasn't free press access, I'd say they did an outstanding job.
 
2011-12-01 08:07:46 PM
workers in white hazmat suits

Drama queens.
 
2011-12-01 08:07:58 PM
Gyrfalcon: Marcus Aurelius: Gyrfalcon: The removal of the Occupiers from Los Angeles may be one of the best handled and politest so far in the country, and the only one done with the cooperation or at least knowledge of the protestors themselves. There was no beating, no gassing, and only one person hit with a rubber bullet (when he wouldn't come down from a tree). A few rocks got thrown. There's even already funding in place to pay for the cost of the removal. Even the protestors were impressed with the way the cops handled themselves, and the cops were not bad-mouthing the Occupiers.

Check out the story here: Link (new window)

Sometimes, the cops do learn from (others) mistakes.

The LA Times reporters were "embedded" with the cops.

Do you have a source that didn't have a built-in conflict of interest?

Oh, mother of god, it's the same reports we've been getting since the Occupation started, the same reports I personally got when I spoke to some of the protestors myself. Just because everything went off without a hitch, does that mean there was some kind of conspiracy about it? Yes, they did restrict access--so? All the Occupiers had cell phones and cameras, and nothing's been posted contradicting the official reports. No stories have shown up on Twitter or Facebook of brutalized people or pepper-sprayed victims.'

I totally agree that a media blackout was inappropriate, and that the ACLU was right to file a protest. But the LAPD and Mayor Villaraigosa's office has been amazing in their restraint and willingness to talk with the OccupyLA people since this began. Since all this started, NOBODY has been beaten or abused at our location, and nothing really negative has happened. If the ONLY thing you can biatch about is that there wasn't free press access, I'd say they did an outstanding job.


So why did they do it in the dark of night?
 
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