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(Some Guy) Sad Economics professor asks 180 students to write an essay on the American dream. 8 of 10 expect someone else to pay for it. Welcome to Generation Gimme   (michaelgraham.com) divider line 172
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2011-12-01 11:09:27 AM
If I ever heard on of my Boys spouting that shiat I'd put a foot in his ass.
 
2011-12-01 11:14:45 AM
What an enlightening excerpt from a fox broadcast. Surely this entire generation is damned.
 
2011-12-01 11:36:14 AM
Lacking a copy of the study of the 180 one could hope some statements are satire. A large number of people do believe asking a few thousand people that answer their phone from unknown numbers to be the pulse of America... The other point that could be looked is until 2010 Valencia was a community college that could only award associate degrees, so an equal to Devry in deep though on matters

The sentences written by 2nd graders could be scary as well until realizing views and thought patterns change with age and experience.
 
2011-12-01 12:43:20 PM
"As human beings, we can't really control our own actions, so we need the government to control those who don't care about others." -A college student at Valencia College writing about the proper role of government.

And that right there is the core value of the average GOP voter.
 
2011-12-01 12:44:21 PM
Yeah, what the f*ck is wrong with kids these days? Back in Doocey's day, the boomers didn't expect the government to do everything for them. They just raped the system, refused to pay for it, and left their kids holding the bag. You know, they behaved like Real Americans.

Didn't watch the whole thing, but the ideas of the college students seemed roughly expressed versions of reasonable expectations (where healthcare and retirement are 'free' in the Canadian sense, not actually free).

Dancin_In_Anson: If I ever heard on of my Boys spouting that shiat I'd put a foot in his ass.

What, if they had the temerity to express displeasure with the historically high income inequality in your country? You know, it's possible to express that viewpoint without it being driven by an 'eat the rich' entitlement philosophy.

I think that any change in the responses to these questions over time is more a reflection of the immaturity of 19 year olds today compared to a generation ago. People are schooling longer, leaving home later, getting their first job later, becoming career-engaged later, getting married later, having kids later, and living longer. Is it any surprise that opinions on who should pay for what, which are typically informed by real-world experience, are yet to be fully formed in the mind of a 19-year old that hasn't even had a real job or left home yet?

Despite the obvious spin of this piece, I'd be interested if he had asked a similar set of questions to a group of 25 year olds, to see if they had the same sort of response. A distorted sense of the world doesn't bother me amongst children. It does when it calcifies in the minds of adults, and that goes for left and right wing distortions equally.
 
2011-12-01 12:45:14 PM
So pretty much everyone from the ages of eighteen to twenty-five have no clue? Shiat, I could have told you that. A majority of the stupid mistakes in my life occurred when I was in that age group, same as everyone else I know.

/Now STFU and go back to your keggers you idiots.
 
2011-12-01 12:55:57 PM
unyon: What, if they had the temerity to express displeasure with the historically high income inequality in your country?

Life's unfair. Wear a helmet.
 
2011-12-01 12:58:29 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: unyon: What, if they had the temerity to express displeasure with the historically high income inequality in your country?

Life's unfair. Wear a helmet.


We have a democratic system of government. Don't like it? CHANGE IT.

Oh wait looks like that's what we're doing. Don't like it? MOVE.
 
2011-12-01 01:05:29 PM
cameroncrazy1984: We have a democratic system of government.

Since when?
 
2011-12-01 01:07:00 PM
Weaver95: "As human beings, we can't really control our own actions, so we need the government to control those who don't care about others." -A college student at Valencia College writing about the proper role of government.

And that right there is the core value of the average GOP voter.



Really? "Control those who don't care about others" sounds kind of leftist/liberal.
 
2011-12-01 01:08:38 PM
FTFA:

"Free health care, free tuition, a government down-payment on their house, for government to give me a job." - Students writing about their expectations for the government in their lives.


*Ahem*

THIS WORLD DOES NOT OWE YOU A LIVING.

/Down payment on a house?
//Yeesh.
 
2011-12-01 01:11:00 PM

Those who benefit disproportionately from society having to pay disproportionately for society? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it. - Benjamin Franklin, noted communist
 
2011-12-01 01:18:23 PM
The_Sponge: Weaver95: "As human beings, we can't really control our own actions, so we need the government to control those who don't care about others." -A college student at Valencia College writing about the proper role of government.

And that right there is the core value of the average GOP voter.


Really? "Control those who don't care about others" sounds kind of leftist/liberal.


ever listened to 'small government' conservatives when they talk about why we can't legalize cannabis?
 
2011-12-01 01:18:28 PM
Poor thread. It never had a chance.
 
2011-12-01 01:23:19 PM
I found it interesting that he phrased the question as "What do you WANT the government to do?". Not necessarily what they think the government should do.
 
2011-12-01 01:30:43 PM
Weaver95: ever listened to 'small government' conservatives when they talk about why we can't legalize cannabis?


True, but I highly doubt that is what the college kid was talking about, so your original point is incorrect.
 
2011-12-01 01:44:18 PM
The_Sponge: Weaver95: ever listened to 'small government' conservatives when they talk about why we can't legalize cannabis?


True, but I highly doubt that is what the college kid was talking about, so your original point is incorrect.


it works either way - authoritarians aren't 'left' or 'right'. they merely believe that government NEEDS to crack down in citizens for their own safety. it's a kind of mental illness.
 
2011-12-01 01:46:15 PM
I think they're just talking about their tax dollars going towards something other than war, subby.
 
2011-12-01 01:46:28 PM
I understand that universal health care isn't free, and it isn't a gimme... I support it because I believe that it is a question of morality and efficiency, not because I believe it is less expensive for me.
 
2011-12-01 01:46:47 PM
Every time Fark links to Fox News content, I die a little inside.
 
2011-12-01 01:47:13 PM
img1.fark.net
 
2011-12-01 01:48:01 PM
Weaver95: ever listened to 'small government' conservatives when they talk about why we can't legalize cannabis?

Ever listened to a big government liberal talk about anything? It begins and ends with the government.
 
2011-12-01 01:48:20 PM
Whatever happened to the dream of working hard to produce a better world for your children?

Oh, wait...
 
2011-12-01 01:49:30 PM
I can believe this.

The amount of "entitlements" handed out are unreal.

EBT at gas stations, fast food joists, other stores for junk food, soda, and candy.

Bring back gub'ment cheese, bread, milk & rice handouts.

then ask this question in another 20 yrs.
 
2011-12-01 01:49:35 PM
As learned from the Boomers.
 
2011-12-01 01:49:48 PM
Jerkwater: Every time Fark links to Fox News content, I die a little inside.

Did you forget about Fark TV? That was like The Goat See coming up to you and enveloping your head with his prolapsed anus.
 
2011-12-01 01:50:14 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Life's unfair. Wear a helmet.

Cute little saying you got there. If I go around saying "Life isn't fair," does that give me permission to be unfair to others? Look, a cop who is a good dad & husband getting shot in the head by a cracked out felon..... that's unfair. A 12 year old kid getting cancer.... that's unfair. Those are things we can do nothing about.

Wall Street's shenanigans were unfair, but it was the kind of unfair that could've been prevented. When I miss a payment on my credit card bill, I get in trouble. When Wall Street swindles EVERYBODY, they get a government bailout. You want to talk about entitlement issues? You want to talk about people who are not held accountable? Look at your financial overlords. Getting angry at college kids who want free health care while turning a blind eye to thieves and liars is abominable. Just really shameful.
 
2011-12-01 01:51:01 PM
All I want is a matchbox of my own, a fence of real chain link, a grill out on the patio, a disposal in the sink, a washer and a dryer and an ironing machine in a tract house that I will share.

Doesnt have to be free.
 
2011-12-01 01:51:04 PM
"Free health care, free tuition, a government down-payment on their house, for government to give me a job."

I'm impressed. That student is thinking far enough ahead to realize that they're going to have to pay their loans back and are going to want a house and a job.

A lot of the students I've dealt with are so clueless that they haven't gotten that far yet, nevermind constructing an elaborate fantasy where Santa Clause is going to give it to them.
 
2011-12-01 01:51:14 PM
Nice troll post, subby. +10 for effort.
 
2011-12-01 01:51:51 PM
Weaver95: The_Sponge: Weaver95: ever listened to 'small government' conservatives when they talk about why we can't legalize cannabis?


True, but I highly doubt that is what the college kid was talking about, so your original point is incorrect.

it works either way - authoritarians aren't 'left' or 'right'. they merely believe that government NEEDS to crack down in citizens for their own safety. it's a kind of mental illness.


Yet your Boobiess all blamed the right. How odd...
 
2011-12-01 01:54:13 PM
TBPlayer: I found it interesting that he phrased the question as "What do you WANT the government to do?". Not necessarily what they think the government should do.

Which is a completely different question. What do I want the government to do? Clone Heidi Klum and send ten of her to my house after dinner. What should the government do? Not that.
 
2011-12-01 01:54:14 PM
Child tax credits and mortgage interest deductions effectively is having someone else pay for your American dream.
 
2011-12-01 01:54:18 PM
The College, which is known for being the largest grantor of Associate Degrees in the U.S., is located in the hotbed of Libtard Activism, Orlando Florida
 
2011-12-01 01:55:57 PM
Stop labeling entire generations. It's extremely inconsiderate.
 
2011-12-01 01:56:17 PM
PainInTheASP: So pretty much everyone from the ages of eighteen to twenty-five have no clue? Shiat, I could have told you that. A majority of the stupid mistakes in my life occurred when I was in that age group, same as everyone else I know.

/Now STFU and go back to your keggers you idiots.


profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-12-01 01:56:28 PM
Jerkwater: Every time Fark links to Fox News content, I die a little inside.

Especially when it's under the cover of "some guy".
 
2011-12-01 01:56:54 PM
PanicMan: Clone Heidi Klum and send ten of her to my house after dinner. What should the government do? Not that.

What the hell do you need ten for?

I believe that the government should redistribute three of them to me.
 
2011-12-01 01:57:50 PM
Gunny Highway: All I want is a matchbox of my own, a fence of real chain link, a grill out on the patio, a disposal in the sink, a washer and a dryer and an ironing machine in a tract house that I will share.

Doesnt have to be free.


But does it have to be someplace of a grass colored shade?
 
2011-12-01 01:58:59 PM
Carousel Beast: Weaver95: The_Sponge: Weaver95: ever listened to 'small government' conservatives when they talk about why we can't legalize cannabis?


True, but I highly doubt that is what the college kid was talking about, so your original point is incorrect.

it works either way - authoritarians aren't 'left' or 'right'. they merely believe that government NEEDS to crack down in citizens for their own safety. it's a kind of mental illness.

Yet your Boobiess all blamed the right. How odd...


you keep my boobies outta this one pal.
 
2011-12-01 01:59:22 PM
unyon: (where healthcare and retirement are 'free' in the Canadian sense, not actually free).

Exactly. Canadians know we all pay for health care. We consider it "free" because it's not managed in a for-profit sense, but funded by the government as a public service. Of course it has to get paid for, but we'd rather everyone contribute via taxes rather than some poor schlub get denied treatment because he won't sell what little equity he has in his house to pay for the surgery.


cameroncrazy1984: We have a democratic system of government. Don't like it? CHANGE IT.

If there's one thing the world should have learned after WWII, it's how media and money can be used to control and direct public thought. It's how the Nazi party convinced reasonable, decent German people to turn over their Jewish neighbours.

Democracy as a concept only works when it's egalitarian and honest, and the population is well-educated on the facts and can engage in critical thinking to make informed choices. If ANY of that falls away, democracy becomes about who can pay enough for the right lie to convince the ignorant to vote their way, rather than about what their policies might actually be or the social and political impact those policies would have.

If the USA was a nation that could handle democracy, issues like Obama's birth certificate or his religion or anti-vaccine movements or the like simply wouldn't exist. Because the people who spout them would be ridiculed as outrageously stupid and ignorant. Instead, they run for office. And win.

Instead, fearmongering and bigotry and jingoism rule the day.
 
2011-12-01 01:59:55 PM
Weaver95: it works either way - authoritarians aren't 'left' or 'right'. they merely believe that government NEEDS to crack down in citizens for their own safety. it's a kind of mental illness.


Yes, it does work either way, but you didn't say that in your original post.
 
2011-12-01 02:00:52 PM
vegasj: I can believe this.

The amount of "entitlements" handed out are unreal.

EBT at gas stations, fast food joists, other stores for junk food, soda, and candy.

Bring back gub'ment cheese, bread, milk & rice handouts.

then ask this question in another 20 yrs.


EBT at gas stations and fast food joints is a result of legislation promoted by gas stations and fast food joints. Gub'ment cheese, or as we called it 'Po'cheese', subsidized ADM and Dean Foods. These programs are not in place to help people, they're in place to help corporations.
 
HBK
2011-12-01 02:00:55 PM
It would've been funny if the guy asked: "have you considered teaching at a better college?"

Maybe the kids are just dumb.
 
2011-12-01 02:00:56 PM
Weaver95: The_Sponge: Weaver95: "As human beings, we can't really control our own actions, so we need the government to control those who don't care about others." -A college student at Valencia College writing about the proper role of government.

And that right there is the core value of the average GOP voter.


Really? "Control those who don't care about others" sounds kind of leftist/liberal.

ever listened to 'small government' conservatives when they talk about why we can't legalize cannabis?


Ever try to talk to the left about guns and freedom of speech?

Not that the right isn't full of retards but looking to the left for answers is just as stupid. The idea of balance shouldn't really be this hard to grasp. I usually refrain from addressing you because, well, you're not that smart. But... Really now... You want to paint that as a trait of the right? Seriously? Can you do so with a straight face?

Actually... Never mind. It's okay. I'll post this anyhow. I guess I just pity you.
 
2011-12-01 02:01:11 PM
How ignorant for so many people to think they can just spend away recklessly expecting government money is going to cover all their losses, pay their bills, buy them homes, and make sure they still have jobs.

College kids? I thought this was a Wall Street poll. My mistake.

www.heartcom.org
 
2011-12-01 02:01:14 PM
unyon: What, if they had the temerity to express displeasure with the historically high income inequality in your country? You know, it's possible to express that viewpoint without it being driven by an 'eat the rich' entitlement philosophy.

This is a huge peeve of mine. I can't talk to a single real-life Fark troll about the death of the American dream without being accused of being a raging hippie who wants to burn mansions of the wealthy after hearing the lament of their women. Worse - they call me hippie. Make no mistake son, there are few things in life I hate more than hippies. Brussels sprouts, the Atlanta Falcons - that's about it.

Discussing America's barreling plutocracy doesn't mean I hate the rich. You got gobs of cash? Congrats! What it means is that something is broken in this nation, and the government "of the people" is no longer so. Rather than offer a cogent retort and I'm told that I'm just jealous, unwilling to work (with no family or crooked capital), or outright advocating violence against the wealthy.

/threadjack
 
2011-12-01 02:01:25 PM
Let's see now: We've got img1.fark.net, Community College, and "opinion" in the same sentence.

Yes those thoughts are going to be mind bogglingly insightful.
 
2011-12-01 02:03:28 PM
Thorak: Of course it has to get paid for, but we'd rather everyone contribute via taxes rather than some poor schlub get denied treatment because he won't sell what little equity he has in his house to pay for the surgery.

An American can't fathom getting ahead without leaving someone behind. A Canadian can't fathom leaving someone behind while getting ahead.
 
2011-12-01 02:04:58 PM
SageC: College kids? I thought this was a Wall Street poll. My mistake.


That farmer is a dead ringer for former U.S. Senator Slade Gordon (R-WA).
 
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