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Are we to believe the republican voting base is so fickle and programmed that they will latch on to whatever piece of meat their party parades in front of them? C'mon

I love how the only people who don't care that he's a serial cheater are the "Family value" voters

/I'm sure they all cheat on their spouses too

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Are we to believe the republican voting base is so fickle and programmed that they will latch on to whatever piece of meat their party parades in front of them? C'mon

There's 0% chance I'll vote for Obama or Newt. At the same time I really hope Newt gets the nod. Newt has ethical problems that I don't care about but is really (imo) the only candidate that will make the debates interesting. Cain vs Obama would just be a slaughter so that wouldn't be any fun, Romney is so boring that nothing with him could be entertaining... Newt is at least intelligent and is an excellent debater.. seeing him go up against Obama will be fun.

So, in short.. any of the candidates (including Obama) that have a chance of winning will be a total disaster but at least I will get a few hours of entertainment during my debate parties before the end of the world as we know it if Newt gets the nod.

whither_apophis: I love how the only people who don't care that he's a serial cheater are the "Family value" voters

That's not true. I'm not a family values voter, and I don't care. There 99 reasons I would never vote for Newt, but family values ain't one of 'em.

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Are we to believe the republican voting base is so fickle and programmed that they will latch on to whatever piece of meat their party parades in front of them? C'mon

They are just trying desperately to avoid nominating someone to the left of the current president. Gingrich is the least flawed of the non-Romney candidates.

Oldie but a goodie...

Look, I hope he gets the nom over Mitt, Obama will have an easier time showing the American public that "career politicians like Gingrich" are why we're in this mess. But he still doesn't have an appreciable campaign staff compared to Mitt, he will be unable to weather any minor bumps in the road nor capitalize on any gains made in Iowa. Meanwhile, the Romney team is going to play the NH win to the hilt and thats all everyone will be talking about until SC, and you get the sense that the power brokers behind the scenes simply do not like Gingrich.

Money talks. Romney has it, in ad money, in campaign staff, in the party players supporting him. Gingrich doesn't.

The Larch: whither_apophis: I love how the only people who don't care that he's a serial cheater are the "Family value" voters

That's not true. I'm not a family values voter, and I don't care. There 99 reasons I would never vote for Newt, but family values ain't one of 'em.
True.. the set of people who don't care he cheats contains a set of people who aren't family value voters.

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Are we to believe the republican voting base is so fickle and programmed that they will latch on to whatever piece of meat their party parades in front of them? C'mon

They're not buying Romney, are they? So the answer is no, they won,t.

MFAWG: TrainingWheelsNeeded: Are we to believe the republican voting base is so fickle and programmed that they will latch on to whatever piece of meat their party parades in front of them? C'mon

They're not buying Romney, are they? So the answer is no, they won,t.

It's because Romney's one of those special, religious diet meats. No kosher, no halal, no Salt Lake City pork.

I love how Republicans are suddenly trying to paint Newt as something other than a self-absorbed bag o' douche. Seriously guys- there's not an Independent voter in existence that will vote for Newt. Independents will do what they did last time, and vote for Obama, because despite all the Republican Concern-Troll handwringing about how Obama betrayed the Left, Centrists voters are completely happy with Obama's record. We're actually kind of happy that he's pissing off boy sides of the Wingnut spectrum.

sammyk: the_geek: TrainingWheelsNeeded: Are we to believe the republican voting base is so fickle and programmed that they will latch on to whatever piece of meat their party parades in front of them? C'mon

There's 0% chance I'll vote for Obama or Newt. At the same time I really hope Newt gets the nod. Newt has ethical problems that I don't care about but is really (imo) the only candidate that will make the debates interesting. Cain vs Obama would just be a slaughter so that wouldn't be any fun, Romney is so boring that nothing with him could be entertaining... Newt is at least intelligent and is an excellent debater.. seeing him go up against Obama will be fun.

So, in short.. any of the candidates (including Obama) that have a chance of winning will be a total disaster but at least I will get a few hours of entertainment during my debate parties before the end of the world as we know it if Newt gets the nod.

Why do people think Newt is so intelligent? Seriously, tell me one thing he has said that is truely intelligent and profound. Sure he studied the hell out of history. But not because he was seeking knowlege or enlightenment. He did it so he cound sound smart as he cherry picks history and spns it into whatever revisionist version might sound good to make a comletely unrelated point. In other words he uses his knowlege of history to create a web of BS.

EX: Obama hates America because anti colonialism.

Really? Thats the best THE right wing intelectual can come up with? He wrote a book on the subject FFS.

This

/lots of it

I just cannot envision Callista Gingrich as first lady.



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Farkin'round: I just cannot envision Callista Gingrich as first lady.

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I would really, REALLY like to try some of what she was on when that photo was taken.

Any guesses as to what it was?

I think Gingrich is playing for VP. In the debates, I see him setting himself up as the next Cheney/red meat flinging Republican attack dog. Newt is the one that most often accuses the moderators of just trying to make the Republicans fight among themselves. Newt seems like he would rather take a shot at Obama, or emphasize party unity, than try to differentiate himself from his competitors. I think his age is going to come into play - Newt would turn 70 during his first year in office, and the Presidency ages a person like few other jobs on the planet. I think Newt is going to paint himself as the lifetime conservative and party loyalist that will balance out a less conservative candidate like Romney.

StoneColdAtheist: Any guesses as to what it was?

A speedball of botox and blow.

I think his whole campaign is the most brilliant, elaborate troll job ever done.

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That, or he's farking retarded.

the opposite of charity is justice: Money talks. Romney has it, in ad money, in campaign staff, in the party players supporting him. Gingrich doesn't.

Romney had all the money in 2008 as well, while McCain had so many problems raising money in the Summer of 2007 that he had to rehaul his entire campaign staff.

Frankly, I think having the big bloated campaign staff is a little bit outdated in modern primary politics with social networking and cable news. What you mainly need in your corner is passion and enthusiasm, and Romney has a short supply of that. I'm surrounded by Republicans and conservatives, and I've never seen a Romney true believer, only tepid supporters.

It's hilarious how many media pundits have convinced themselves that Mitt was going to win New Hampshire and the race would be over, and South Carolina and Florida were going to vote for Mitt simply because they repeated it over and over and over again a thousand times ...... no matter what the data said. It's really an amazing self constructed world of of deluded narratives they're living in. Reminds me very much of 2008 when the media punditry kept acting like Hillary was going to eventually take the race from Obama simply because that was what everyone in the echo chamber had been saying for a year, and just completely ignored the cold, hard electoral math staring them in the face.

quizzical: I think Gingrich is playing for VP. In the debates, I see him setting himself up as the next Cheney/red meat flinging Republican attack dog. Newt is the one that most often accuses the moderators of just trying to make the Republicans fight among themselves. Newt seems like he would rather take a shot at Obama, or emphasize party unity, than try to differentiate himself from his competitors. I think his age is going to come into play - Newt would turn 70 during his first year in office, and the Presidency ages a person like few other jobs on the planet. I think Newt is going to paint himself as the lifetime conservative and party loyalist that will balance out a less conservative candidate like Romney.

I've been making this very point in political threads ever since Newt revived his candidacy last month. The only flaw I see in this scenario is that Romney could well implode, as we saw in how poorly he handled/reacted to the Fox interview on Tuesday. A few more episodes like that and GOP insiders might start questioning their commitment to Mittens.

One thing is for sure, though, and that is that in '16 we won't see all the candidates clamoring for a 20+ debate schedule. It gives them too many opportunities to farkup.

IoSaturnalia: StoneColdAtheist: Any guesses as to what it was?

A speedball of botox and blow.

LOL...that's quite the visual. Joking aside I have an acquaintance whose wife went from somber-sad looking all the time to a stupid happy face all the time. A mutual friend assures me that it's prescribed...just wondering what it might be.

Many mormons hold elected offices in conservative areas of the US. Mitt's problems are about identity poltics. He's from the "liberal" northeast. Former Wall Street crony. Ivy League educated. Blue-blooded. And is on record as being on the wrong side of every emotional touchstone issue conservatives care about ... gun control, abortion, pro-science, immigration, gay-rights, etc. In a culture fueled by identity politics where "Is he one of us?" is the prevailing question that fuels voters, Mitt doesn't pass the smell test with conservatives. Because he's simply not one of them, and everyone knows it.

Throw in the fact that Mitt has always been a paper tiger politician. It all looks good on paper but he simply has problems connecting to voters because he comes across as such a huge, pandering, calculating phony. He actually reminds me a lot of Al Gore. Not growing a beard and driving a Prius Al Gore since he stopped running for public office, but 1988 and 2000 Al Gore.

You know, until some actual voting happens, I'm taking all these polls with a grain of salt. Republicans might hate Mittens, but they don't actually like anyone one else, and in the end the silent pragmatists might just bite the bullet and vote for the only guy in the pack with a hope of winning the general election.

There's about 5 weeks left till Iowa, we have enough time to squeeze at least one more candidate into the cycle. Let's go Santorum!!

moralpanic: There's about 5 weeks left till Iowa, we have enough time to squeeze at least one more candidate into the cycle. Let's go Santorum Johnson!!

/srsly

moralpanic: There's about 5 weeks left till Iowa, we have enough time to squeeze at least one more candidate into the cycle. Let's go Santorum!!

He doesn't seem capable of whipping the base into a froth like he needs to be.

/really, people are surprised that the inhabitants of God's Waiting Room are pulling for the paunchy old white guy?

Jon Snow:
GOP hopeful Newt Gingrich defended his stance against certain child labor laws during a campaign stop in Iowa Thursday, saying that children born into poverty aren't accustomed to working unless it involves crime.

"Really poor children, in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works so they have no habit of showing up on Monday," Gingrich claimed.

"They have no habit of staying all day, they have no habit of I do this and you give me cash unless it is illegal," he added.

The former House Speaker's comments come weeks after he came under fire for saying laws preventing child labor in America were "truly stupid" and suggested that schools fire janitors and replace them with working class students

Wow...

Y;know what would be hilarious?

If, when the base finally starts to accept that Romney is the only GOP contender who can even come close to beating Obama...Romney drops out of the race.

I keep telling you guys, Perry's gonna get it. He's the only male WASP.

Obama's lack of leadership and experience are evident in the GOP's inability to harvest anyone that can beat him.

If elected, he will take action to ensure that the American embassy in Baghdad never even existed.

minnesotaboy: Oldie but a goodie...

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Huh, I had no idea This Modern World had been running that long.

whither_apophis: I love how the only people who don't care that he's a serial cheater are the "Family value" voters

From what I'm hearing in the heart of Values-Voteland, there actually is a bit of a problem there. I'm not sure if it's as bad as being Mormon, but it's definitely a cause for concern.

herrDrFarkenstein: I keep telling you guys, Perry's gonna get it. He's the only male WASP.

Hmmm. You know, you may be right. What kind of credibility does Romney really have, when it's so glaringly obvious that a majority of Republicans don't want him?

zenobia: whither_apophis: I love how the only people who don't care that he's a serial cheater are the "Family value" voters

From what I'm hearing in the heart of Values-Voteland, there actually is a bit of a problem there. I'm not sure if it's as bad as being Mormon, but it's definitely a cause for concern.

I suspect the logic is:

1. Three wives is wrong, it's right there in the good book
2. I've had two wives, and that can't be wrong, goldurn it, everybody down at the truck stop has had hisself two wives
3. Newt ain't one-a them Ladder Day folks what don't even believe in Jesus
4. Newt ain't never gone tuh the state of Librulchussetts and given away tax money to "poor people" if you catch my drift, he wants 'em to scrub toilets and pick tomatoes, which sounds good to me
5. Three wives don't look so bad now

Farkin'round: I just cannot envision Callista Gingrich as first lady.

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If he gets elected, wouldn't that make her the Third Lady?

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Are we to believe the republican voting base is so fickle and programmed that they will latch on to whatever piece of meat their party parades in front of them? C'mon

It's either that, or Barak HUSSEIN Obama. Doesn't matter, really. None of the republican candidates can win.