GAT_00: I actually can't tell if that ad is fake or not.

Real ad. Seen it airing on TV a few times.
Fake ad. Chick is an actress apparently. (Aubrey Plaza, I think...?)

/bring back Mr. T
//Night Elf Mohawk
///subby

ManateeGag: Star Wars MMO is going to kill WoW dead, no one will be left but Chinese gold farmers selling crap to each other. WoW hasn't been good since BC. It's the worst MMO of all time. Star Wars will destroy it as billions of users flock to play it because a game that's still in beta and hasn't been released yet is the most awesome thing ever!

like the last one did?

hubiestubert: To be fair, the Old Republic is going to force me into the MMO market for the first time. BioWare is making a damn pretty product...

Eh...after a second weekend of beta testing, I'm still not blown away by it. It doesn't vary very much from the WoW norm aside from the storytelling, and there's a metric asston of bugs throughout.

hubiestubert:

To be fair, the Old Republic is going to force me into the MMO market for the first time. BioWare is making a damn pretty product...

I'm in the beta and it is meh. It's WoW with Lightsabres. Seriously. Sure, BioWare wraps it up in a pretty presentation with the voice acting, but the quests are still the same as WoW. Hey you, go kill X guys or gather me Y of these power converters.

I will never play SW:TOR. Not a farking chance. That game robbed us of KOTOR 3, which is just damned unforgivable.

Don't hang your hopes on a WoW killer on SW:TOR. It's a fine game, but if people complaining about WoW are ACTUALLY complaining about game play, there's not going to find a huge variety here. It's the same sort of play. If they just want to play a Jedi, that's fine, but like SWG people will get over that pretty fast. Personally I'm enjoying the hell out of patch 4.3 - probably the nicest full patch since the Sunwell or Ulduar patches.

People really have to stop talking about WoW killers. The only thing that's going to kill WoW is WoW, and Blizzard seems to be trying their damnedest to make it happen.

imontheinternet: I will never play SW:TOR. Not a farking chance. That game robbed us of KOTOR 3, which is just damned unforgivable.

This.

Not to mention that the genre has well moved passed needing monthly fees in order to thrive. If you still subscribe to one of the MMORPGs that force you into paying monthly then you're just willingly getting ripped off. Wait a little bit longer for Guild Wars 2 and support developers that won't put the squeeze on you.

Weaver95: sprawl15: hubiestubert: To be fair, the Old Republic is going to force me into the MMO market for the first time. BioWare is making a damn pretty product...

Eh...after a second weekend of beta testing, I'm still not blown away by it. It doesn't vary very much from the WoW norm aside from the storytelling, and there's a metric asston of bugs throughout.

um...it's beta.

Yeah, it's Beta. Still Weaver, it's nothing more than WoW with more voice acting.

I'm sorry, I can't hear this argument over the sound of how awesome Skyrim is.

Weaver95: sprawl15: hubiestubert: To be fair, the Old Republic is going to force me into the MMO market for the first time. BioWare is making a damn pretty product...

Eh...after a second weekend of beta testing, I'm still not blown away by it. It doesn't vary very much from the WoW norm aside from the storytelling, and there's a metric asston of bugs throughout.

um...it's beta.

Release date is December 20th with preorders getting a 5 day head start IIRC. So the last Beta test was really just a stress test for the servers. There's no way any major changes will be implemented between now and release.

/Still crossing my fingers for that Fallout MMO

Weaver95: sprawl15: hubiestubert: To be fair, the Old Republic is going to force me into the MMO market for the first time. BioWare is making a damn pretty product...

Eh...after a second weekend of beta testing, I'm still not blown away by it. It doesn't vary very much from the WoW norm aside from the storytelling, and there's a metric asston of bugs throughout.

um...it's beta.

No shiat? Wow, I'm going to go re-think every decision I ever made!

You do realize that one of the biggest things that WoW clones have consistently failed to do is thorough bug testing before release, resulting in a horrible first month or so? And that BioWare is notorious for the exact same problem? There are basic things that are horribly wrong that should have been fixed loooooong before beta.

Gunderson: Release date is December 20th

I didn't realize it was that soon. Yeah, the game's going to crash and burn, hard. They don't even have a way to exit the game from the server select screen, for fark's sake.

ManateeGag: Star Wars MMO is going to kill WoW dead, no one will be left but Chinese gold farmers selling crap to each other. WoW hasn't been good since BC. It's the worst MMO of all time. Star Wars will destroy it as billions of users flock to play it because a game that's still in beta and hasn't been released yet is the most awesome thing ever!

9/10 A+ would lol again and you're going to get a LOT of bites. I hope you're doing catch & release.

She is identical to a girl i dated for 4 years, and lived with for 3 of those. The only thing i could compare her with before seeing this was Daria.

By far, the worst relationship i was ever a part of. Sex was very good, but the only conversation she was capable of involved biatching about other people. And when she was pissed at me, silence, with that same stare. Needless to say, i was aroused by this video.

I have been clean of WoW for about a year and a half now, and I am not going back.

The merger with Activision has really turned me off of Blizzard products. How they are starting to handle games (Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3) just doesn't sit right with me.

Which is sad because I lived Starcraft and Diablo 2, and was really looking forward to Diablo 3.

I might try the new Star Wars one, but I will probably wait a year to see if it sticks and for them to work out the bugs, plus I might be tired of Skyrim by then...

inglixthemad: Weaver95: sprawl15: hubiestubert: To be fair, the Old Republic is going to force me into the MMO market for the first time. BioWare is making a damn pretty product...

Eh...after a second weekend of beta testing, I'm still not blown away by it. It doesn't vary very much from the WoW norm aside from the storytelling, and there's a metric asston of bugs throughout.

um...it's beta.

Yeah, it's Beta. Still Weaver, it's nothing more than WoW with more voice acting.

That's true but it's still good. I don't think it will kill WoW, but it will do well for itself. The bugs that I've experienced have been forgivable. The voice acting has added a new dimension to immersion. The companions, which are just pets with personalities, add to it too. It's a good game, plain and simple.

I had sworn off MMO's after the clusterfark of WAR, but I got a beta invite (I had signed up for the newsletter several years ago) and I tried it and now I'm back.

WoW is its own market. the vast majority of people who play WoW will never try another MMO. They play WoW as a social experience, not a video game. When they all finally quit WoW, they won't move to a different game. They will be done with the genre. Other MMO's can't tap WoW's player base as a market. To compare any MMO to WoW is futile.

SWTOR is KoTOR 3 but bigger.

I have 2 weeks until I get to play early access. It'll be the first time in years I'll have played a "real" MMO (and I'm still waiting on Guild Wars 2, which will absolutely destroy both WoW and SWTOR)

imontheinternet: I will never play SW:TOR. Not a farking chance. That game robbed us of KOTOR 3, which is just damned unforgivable.

Mosrael: imontheinternet: I will never play SW:TOR. Not a farking chance. That game robbed us of KOTOR 3, which is just damned unforgivable.

This.

Silly people, SW:TOR *IS* KOTOR 3. Except, instead of only one story line, there are 8 and other people are playing in the same world with you.



Gunderson: Release date is December 20th with preorders getting a 5 day head start IIRC. So the last Beta test was really just a stress test for the servers. There's no way any major changes will be implemented between now and release.

Having been involved in the software development process a few times from the QA standpoint (admittedly not with an MMO), I can say with a decent amount of certainty that the build everyone was playing this last weekend was not the final build. So, yes, there certainly can be major changes between what people were playing and what gets released. That being said, I'm not holding my breath for the return of the "match to chest" feature, which gives me a sad.

Weaver95: hell, after every major patch, WoW imploded. I'd have to rebuild my UI

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Your addons not being updated when WoW updates is not "WoW imploding". I mean, there's a vast swath of patch day hilarity that you could have picked from, but updating your addons was the best example you could come up with?

Weaver95: i'm willing to give STOR the benefit of the doubt.

If you really want to play it, you'd be better off giving it the benefit of a few months of fixes. Seriously, the basic UI is farking awful. Like worse than pre-BC WoW awful.

On the matter of the commercial... Funny but I liked the Chuck Norris one better.Linky in case you missed it (new window)

Off topic.. read at your discretion. Its a rant on the death of WoW.
People announcing the death of WoW because of TOR is kind of dumb. I for one am not leaving WoW. I may play TOR to see what its like but in the end I will probably go back to WoW. I have played too many other MMOs and they all sucked. Runescape, EQ2, and other free MMOs and none are the same. They may have copied WoW's mechanics and stuff but its just not the same. EQ2's starting zone was so bad that I didn't even get past it and stopped playing it. Look at the last Star Wars MMO... it was at $10 four months after release. Vanilla still goes for the same price today as it did 7 years ago at launch. The last MMO to say was the death of WoW was Rift... Look what happened to it? Concentrating on PvP is stupid by the way. Only about 5% of current WoW players even step in a PvP zone, including battlegrounds and arenas. I played Rift and wasn't too impressed honestly. DCUO had a fair chance but fizzled shortly after launch due to the bad system it has in place. And that game went free to play in November. Never had a chance to play but a friend of mine stopped playing shortly after getting it. Either that or he got all the achievements cause they stopped popping up on my FB wall since he has his PSN account to post those to his FB wall.

Now, having said all that... Please note that I do not work for Blizzard, I do not get paid by Blizzard. I just happen to be a big fan of theirs. I play all current titles and will be getting Diablo III at launch. I just say that Blizzard has made an amazing product that appeals to all ages and to be fair getting the amazing graphics they do out of almost the slowest of computers is awesome! That is one of the reasons I love Blizzard.

Let's just wait until launch of Star Wars: The Old Republic before we try to kill off WoW... 10 million people a month still is a lot!

ManateeGag: Star Wars MMO is going to kill WoW dead, no one will be left but Chinese gold farmers selling crap to each other. WoW hasn't been good since BC. It's the worst MMO of all time. Star Wars will destroy it as billions of users flock to play it because a game that's still in beta and hasn't been released yet is the most awesome thing ever!



Tryin' way too hard

Occupy Aubrey Plaza!

Yeah I'd dump him for getting me addicted to WoW instead of the diamond I wanted.

/lvl 85 Undead Arcane Mage working on my legendary staff

Never played cared to play the game, but her attractiveness made me watch the whole thing, so the ad agency earned its check. But still not buying.

Sargun: SWTOR is KoTOR 3 but bigger.

I have 2 weeks until I get to play early access. It'll be the first time in years I'll have played a "real" MMO (and I'm still waiting on Guild Wars 2, which will absolutely destroy both WoW and SWTOR)

Can't wait to try and get Revan's pants every week.

SWTOR is not KotoR. It's simply a cash in using the lore of one of the most beloved franchises. Of course Star Wars fans should be used to having what they love dragged through the muck by now. It will eventually go Free 2 Play but not before milking as much money out of the people who decide to tough it out through monthly fees and cash shops.

stonelotus: ManateeGag: Star Wars MMO is going to kill WoW dead, no one will be left but Chinese gold farmers selling crap to each other. WoW hasn't been good since BC. It's the worst MMO of all time. Star Wars will destroy it as billions of users flock to play it because a game that's still in beta and hasn't been released yet is the most awesome thing ever!

like the last one did?

Someone doesn't know which came first...

hubiestubert: ManateeGag: Star Wars MMO is going to kill WoW dead, no one will be left but Chinese gold farmers selling crap to each other. WoW hasn't been good since BC. It's the worst MMO of all time. Star Wars will destroy it as billions of users flock to play it because a game that's still in beta and hasn't been released yet is the most awesome thing ever!

To be fair, the Old Republic is going to force me into the MMO market for the first time. BioWare is making a damn pretty product...

TOR sucks. More of a single/multiplayer game than an MMO which fails to expand on the Skinner Box, kill-ten-rats funk that MMOs are stuck in. The novelty of voice acting for e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g wears off really, really fast and gets downright annoying (especially when you see the same npc model and voice with a different name at the next quest hub)

sprawl15:
Eh...after a second weekend of beta testing, I'm still not blown away by it. It doesn't vary very much from the WoW norm aside from the storytelling, and there's a metric asston of bugs throughout.

I played the heck out of SWTOR this past weekend, and it's one of the more bug-free betas I've ever seen - no gamekilling bugs, and the stability was impressive (zero crashes, no server disconnects, less lag than WoW has had in the 4.3 release).

The play was smooth, the stories were good, and the overall feel of the game was great.

Plus: It's Star Wars.

Most of the gripes I've seen about it so far have been in the "my character has the wrong shade of green hair" category.

Have to laugh at those who say they're leaving the WoW community behind to play SWTOR, then turn around and boast about how everyone will be leaving WoW to play SWTOR.

Weaver95: yeah...Kotick has some very odd ideas about how to treat his target audience (i.e. with smirking contempt and hatred). I'm of two minds about micro-transactions like buying in game pets and the like. on one hand - pretty cool, no farming for them. on the other hand....meh, pointless expense. Basically I think it's a wash. But that said, I didn't like the direction WoW was taking. the focus shifted away from raiding and seemed to be more about facebook with occasional fireballs.

But pets and mounts have no effect on the game. I don't play better because of a Guardian Cub or a Sparklepony. THey're just little benefits, if you want them.

goobergal: Yeah I'd dump him for getting me addicted to WoW instead of the diamond I wanted.

/lvl 85 Undead Arcane Mage working on my legendary staff

We just completed ours last week - fun event. Here's our Mage, all decked out in Santa clothes for the trade in event in SW: