If Bloomberg wants to use the NYPD to go after the Occupiers...I'm okay with that. Going after restaurants for serving trans fats: not so much.

Remember when Bloomberg had to buy each vote he got for 130 bucks apiece?

That's not something you want to brag about. When budget cuts come, that's the first thing I'd go after.

Yeah, the fact that the argument can't be dismissed without a hassle says a lot about the NYPD and police in general. They have farking tanks. It is an army, and he's the CiC.

But could he invade Cuba and win?

TofuTheAlmighty: Thanks to the unending War on Terror, US police departments have most of the hardware that the military has

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So that means the NYPD has to follow the Geneva Conventions, right? Wouldn't that make arrested OWS protesters prisoners of war?

Nearly every single person that lives in your city is "overhead" as far as the rest of the country is concerned.

The productive members of this country are resting comfortably in fly-over land with an actual army.

/enjoy your self importance.

themindiswatching: So that means the NYPD has to follow the Geneva Conventions, right? Wouldn't that make arrested OWS protesters prisoners of war?

No.

themindiswatching: So that means the NYPD has to follow the Geneva Conventions, right? Wouldn't that make arrested OWS protesters prisoners of war?

Of course not. Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious.

2wolves: themindiswatching: So that means the NYPD has to follow the Geneva Conventions, right? Wouldn't that make arrested OWS protesters prisoners of war?

Of course not. Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious.

How else are you going to make them move?

2wolves: Of course not. Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious.

If Obama pussies out and signs that defense bill, then the US is a "battlefield"...

b2theory: No.

It was rhetorical.

TofuTheAlmighty: 2wolves: themindiswatching: So that means the NYPD has to follow the Geneva Conventions, right? Wouldn't that make arrested OWS protesters prisoners of war?

Of course not. Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious.

Considering that the Senate is trying to define US soil as a battlefield in the War on Terror, wouldn't pepper spray thus become illegal chemical weaponry? For that matter, didn't we depose Saddam Hussein partly for "gassing his own people"?

No, actually it was his Blockbuster late fees.

mikemoto: If Bloomberg wants to use the NYPD to go after the Occupiers...I'm okay with that. Going after restaurants for serving trans fats: not so much.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The death of America. Let us all destroy the founding pillar of this nation, but so help you god if you take away our right to heart disease.

Things that are true are, by definition, not delusions.

shinji3i: 2wolves: themindiswatching: So that means the NYPD has to follow the Geneva Conventions, right? Wouldn't that make arrested OWS protesters prisoners of war?

Of course not. Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious.

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Pepper spray is banned for use in war by Article I.5 of the Chemical Weapons Convention which bans the use of all riot control agents in warfare whether lethal or less-than-lethal.

ARTICLE I

GENERAL OBLIGATIONS

1. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes never under any circumstances:
(a) To develop, produce, otherwise acquire, stockpile or retain chemical weapons, or transfer, directly or indirectly, chemical weapons to anyone;
(b) To use chemical weapons;
(c) To engage in any military preparations to use chemical weapons;
(d) To assist, encourage or induce, in any way, anyone to engage in any activity prohibited to a State Party under this Convention.
2. Each State Party undertakes to destroy chemical weapons it owns or possesses, or that are located in any place under its jurisdiction or control, in accordance with the provisions of this Convention.
3. Each State Party undertakes to destroy all chemical weapons it abandoned on the territory of another State Party, in accordance with the provisions of this Convention.
4. Each State Party undertakes to destroy any chemical weapons production facilities it owns or possesses, or that are located in any place under its jurisdiction or control, in accordance with the provisions of this Convention.
5. Each State Party undertakes not to use riot control agents as a method of warfare.

Banned by international treaty which the U.S. Congress has signed off on.

Good enough?

b2theory: 2wolves: themindiswatching: So that means the NYPD has to follow the Geneva Conventions, right? Wouldn't that make arrested OWS protesters prisoners of war?

Of course not. Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious.

How else are you going to make them move?

Issuing citations has worked very well so far.

Bloomberg is worth how many billions? He's a member of the 1% and claims the cops are his private army?

/Class warfare?

wildcardjack: 2wolves: shinji3i: 2wolves: themindiswatching: So that means the NYPD has to follow the Geneva Conventions, right? Wouldn't that make arrested OWS protesters prisoners of war?

Of course not. Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious.

[citation needed]

Pepper spray is banned for use in war by Article I.5 of the Chemical Weapons Convention which bans the use of all riot control agents in warfare whether lethal or less-than-lethal.
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Banned by international treaty which the U.S. Congress has signed off on.

Good enough?


If you'd read through the rest of the conventions you'd come across the part defining people who the convention applies to. The convention only applies to belligerent organized groups who have both a way to distinguish themselves from the rest of the population and a leadership to whom they take orders.

OWS identified themselves as the 99%, or indistinguishable from the general population. Furthermore they swore they had no leadership, which makes them a rabble. Unprotected by the conventions.

Which part of "Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious." was I unclear about?

wildcardjack: 2wolves: shinji3i: 2wolves: themindiswatching: So that means the NYPD has to follow the Geneva Conventions, right? Wouldn't that make arrested OWS protesters prisoners of war?

Of course not. Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious.

[citation needed]

Pepper spray is banned for use in war by Article I.5 of the Chemical Weapons Convention which bans the use of all riot control agents in warfare whether lethal or less-than-lethal.
....
....
Banned by international treaty which the U.S. Congress has signed off on.

Good enough?


If you'd read through the rest of the conventions you'd come across the part defining people who the convention applies to. The convention only applies to belligerent organized groups who have both a way to distinguish themselves from the rest of the population and a leadership to whom they take orders.

OWS identified themselves as the 99%, or indistinguishable from the general population. Furthermore they swore they had no leadership, which makes them a rabble. Unprotected by the conventions.

Ah but the cops would fall under the Conventions because they are an organized belligerent group with a way to distinguish themselves from the rest of the population (they wear a uniform and a badge!) and they have a leadership from whom they take orders (Bloomberg). So why wouldn't the cops have to follow the Geneva Conventions?

Yeah, well this guy has the SIXTH biggest army in the world:



/can you count, suckas?
//can you dig it?
///can yooooouuuu diiiiiigggiiiitttt...

farkityfarker: He's a billionaire. He can do what he wants.

Accept be talented.

2wolves: wildcardjack: 2wolves: shinji3i: 2wolves: themindiswatching: So that means the NYPD has to follow the Geneva Conventions, right? Wouldn't that make arrested OWS protesters prisoners of war?

Of course not. Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious.

[citation needed]

Pepper spray is banned for use in war by Article I.5 of the Chemical Weapons Convention which bans the use of all riot control agents in warfare whether lethal or less-than-lethal.
....
....
Banned by international treaty which the U.S. Congress has signed off on.

Good enough?


If you'd read through the rest of the conventions you'd come across the part defining people who the convention applies to. The convention only applies to belligerent organized groups who have both a way to distinguish themselves from the rest of the population and a leadership to whom they take orders.

OWS identified themselves as the 99%, or indistinguishable from the general population. Furthermore they swore they had no leadership, which makes them a rabble. Unprotected by the conventions.

Which part of "Using pepper spray on the battlefield is a war crime. Spraying your fellow citizens is f*cking hilarious." was I unclear about?

You want us to agree that it is hilarious when hippies get sprayed right?

b2theory:

You want us to agree that it is hilarious when hippies get sprayed right?

Pardon me for using juxtaposition to make clear the injustice being committed. Haven't you seen the authoritarians calling for shooting the Occupy folk? Fark is littered with them. Cripple a hippie get a bonus in your next check. The people commenting on this site who would like to join in using chemical agents against their fellow citizens with f*cking glee.

shinji3i:

The U.S. does not recognize the riot control agent part of the CWC as the president maintains the right to authorize the use of Riot Control Agents. And Bloomberg is the mayor of New Freakin York City so thats like just as good right?

As per Executive Order 11850

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order / 11850.html

/RCA have been used numerous times in Afghanistan/Iraq
//President gave the thumbs up for their use
///Hey they seem to work pretty good
////Go Broncos!

I'm all too aware of how the U.S. meets it treaty obligations.

Four pints Erie/Seneca.

Smackledorfer:

It was out of line to use it on a protester in that situation, but having been OCed (and finding that I'm highly susceptible and it burns for more than a day) I'd rather be OCed than tackled, and thus I have to disagree with your issue here. OC is a valid tool in a cops belt, when used correctly.

The issue with using it in warfare is probably because they'd use a goddamn OC bomb and then kill everyone anyways (or waterboard em, /sigh), so its not directly comparable.

How do you tackle someone sitting on the ground, legs crossed underneath them, heads bowed, and hands down?

The vast majority of LEO ROE say that pepper spray has to be used against an aggressive individual/group/