Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

Heck of a story, what would drive a person to live like that?

"An FBI mole speaks for the first time about life in the seedy world of right-wing terror."

Yeah well enough about the FBI and their criminal activities.

Grrrr I'm poor, stupid, and angry. It's the damn Negroes fault for...

pippi longstocking: Grrrr I'm poor, stupid, and angry. It's the damn Negroes fault for...

Hey now, I didn't know this was a Tea Party rally.

The head line would make sense if he was black.

crab66: Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

He made sacrifices as well, so we can't really he say he did this with malicious intent.

crab66: Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

THIS THIS THIS. I came here to say this. Thank you.

You do not sacrfice your own kids to any "greater good" bullshiat. That doesn't mean you are anything but immoral, selfish, a gullible follower of orders and incapable of setting decent priorities.

"Since President Obama's election, the number of right-wing extremist groups-a term that covers a broad array of dissidents ranging from white supremacists to antigovernment militias-has mushroomed from 149 to 824, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Alabama-based civil-rights group."

Not surprising, but still.

gshepnyc: crab66: Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

THIS THIS THIS. I came here to say this. Thank you.

You do not sacrfice your own kids to any "greater good" bullshiat. That doesn't mean you are anything but immoral, selfish, a gullible follower of orders and incapable of setting decent priorities.

I've always wondered, or at least since the war in Eastasia began, should servicemen and women be barred from overseas if they are parents? So many stories come out around Christmas time each year about the kids who's parents are both serving in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or both, and the grandparents/aunts/friends are taking care of the kids. Sure, you're serving your country, but what about your own kids?

The SPLC is full of crap.

Trackball: The SPLC is full of crap.

Hey look, a visitor from Stormfront come to share his wisdom.

gshepnyc: crab66: Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

THIS THIS THIS. I came here to say this. Thank you.

You do not sacrfice your own kids to any "greater good" bullshiat. That doesn't mean you are anything but immoral, selfish, a gullible follower of orders and incapable of setting decent priorities.

If a Marine dies in battle I can assure you it will mess up the kids. Does this also make the marines immoral and selfish?

gshepnyc: crab66: Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

THIS THIS THIS. I came here to say this. Thank you.

You do not sacrfice your own kids to any "greater good" bullshiat. That doesn't mean you are anything but immoral, selfish, a gullible follower of orders and incapable of setting decent priorities.

You're welcome for the sacrifices he and his family made to help put the community ahead of himself and his loved ones, you farking choad.

You are exactly what's wrong today: someone who can't get past the idea of extended family to focus on the betterment of society as a whole. That notion, btw, is exactly what enabled civilization. Without it, we'd be living as squatting savages in whatever environment we happened to be in; you know, like we were about 6000 years ago.

FTFA:
"What we're seeing today is a resurgence," says Daryl Johnson, the former senior domestic terrorism analyst for the Department of Homeland Security. In 2009, the department issued a report warning that "right-wing extremism is likely to grow in strength."
...
The report, which was quickly withdrawn after an outcry from conservatives, seemed prescient months later when an 88-year-old gunman opened fire on visitors at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. Last year, nine members of the Hutaree, a Christian militia, were arrested in a plot to kill police officers in Michigan. In January, Jared Lee Loughner, an Army reject, was charged with going on a shooting rampage in Tucson, Ariz., killing a federal judge, among others, and severely wounding Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Loughner wasn't a right-winger, not by a long shot, and Gabrielle Giffords is a blue dog (ie., conservative) democrat.

yeah that was kinda crazy, it says he was an informant too, so what does that mean exactly he was not actually working for the FBI but just proving information? I wonder what you'd get paid for that...

Headso: yeah that was kinda crazy, it says he was an informant too, so what does that mean exactly he was not actually working for the FBI but just proving information? I wonder what you'd get paid for that...

$500/week + Living expenses

Before we get too much further in this thread, lemme go make sure I have enough popcorn, okay?

m2313: Trackball: The SPLC is full of crap.

Hey look, a visitor from Stormfront come to share his wisdom.

They list people who belong to Northern European Pagan religions as Racist. Along with anyone who listens to music from that area.

dittybopper: Loughner wasn't a right-winger, not by a long shot, and Gabrielle Giffords is a blue dog (ie., conservative) democrat.

From your own link. "One classmate stated that Loughner had laughed at a young woman and likened her to a terrorist after she read a poem about getting an abortion.[26][27][28] Classmates also recalled Loughner as having espoused atheistic and nihilistic views.[26][12][15]

According to an old friend, Bryce Tierney, Loughner had exhibited a longstanding dislike for Gabrielle Giffords, a Blue Dog Democrat, stating that women should not hold positions of power."

Anti-abortion and anti-women? Sounds pretty right wing to me.

Too bad there wasn't a way to benefit society AND be a good father. It's good what he did. And bad what he did.

clborgia: gshepnyc: crab66: Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

THIS THIS THIS. I came here to say this. Thank you.

You do not sacrfice your own kids to any "greater good" bullshiat. That doesn't mean you are anything but immoral, selfish, a gullible follower of orders and incapable of setting decent priorities.

If a Marine dies in battle I can assure you it will mess up the kids. Does this also make the marines immoral and selfish?

Yes.

trifoldhat: They list people who belong to Northern European Pagan religions as Racist. Along with anyone who listens to music from that area.

Do you mean neo-nazi style Odinism and the NSBM bands?

mavexe: Headso: yeah that was kinda crazy, it says he was an informant too, so what does that mean exactly he was not actually working for the FBI but just proving information? I wonder what you'd get paid for that...

$500/week + Living expenses

you just blew your own cover!

According to the FBI and DOJ website, of the couple hundred terrorist attacks in the US each year, all but a handful are committed by leftist groups. Clearly we have to keep an eye on these conservatives.

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Too bad there wasn't a way to benefit society AND be a good father. It's good what he did. And bad what he did.

It sounds like he was a piece of excrement as a father anyway. He had multiple kids by multiple women. He had extremist views that he never full did shake (although he recognize their tactics as wrong, he still sympathized with them). He has a racist mentality that he never did shake.

Ideally, I would prefer he be a good father. If he isn't going to be one, this is some sort of redemption.

gshepnyc: crab66: Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

THIS THIS THIS. I came here to say this. Thank you.

You do not sacrfice your own kids to any "greater good" bullshiat. That doesn't mean you are anything but immoral, selfish, a gullible follower of orders and incapable of setting decent priorities.

FTFA "He was estranged from his father and even used his stepfather's last name, Candland."

Which part of "estranged" do you not understand? The guy was a messed up veteran. His son had a stepfather. As in, the guy's ex-wife re-married and his son lived with them, using their name.

Trackball: The SPLC is full of crap.

Translation: they're a bunch of uppity blacks.

m2313: trifoldhat: They list people who belong to Northern European Pagan religions as Racist. Along with anyone who listens to music from that area.

Do you mean neo-nazi style Odinism and the NSBM bands?

I don't personally know what he's talking about, since I tend to avoid crap bands as best I can, and anything that even resembles religion, but the SPLC does pad their numbers and engage in alarmism to drive funding. Kinda like the NRA that way.

Carousel Beast:
You are exactly what's wrong today: someone who can't get past the idea of extended family to focus on the betterment of society as a whole. That notion, btw, is exactly what enabled civilization. Without it, we'd be living as squatting savages in whatever environment we happened to be in; you know, like we were about 6000 years ago.

Generations of self-sacrificing noble soldiers enabled a man to invent the computer, a factory to produce it, and the electricity to turn it on, so that an anonymous person could call another anonymous person a choad. Civilization!

m2313: Trackball: The SPLC is full of crap.

Hey look, a visitor from Stormfront come to share his wisdom.

No, he's right. SPLC is an organization like MADD: They won, got what they wanted, and now because organizations, much like organisms, don't like to die, they have to become more and more alarmist even as the threat has receded. Think about it: How many legitimate cross burnings, or actual lynchings, or other significant white supremacist attacks have you heard about recently? It's rare enough that minorities actually sometimes manufacture racial incidents themselves, for whatever reason.

When someone *IS* attacked for racially motivated reasons these days, it's generally a deranged loner, or at most a small group doing it independently, as the actual white supremacist organizations have distanced themselves from using violence, largely because, as I said, the SPLC won, and has successfully sued such organizations for what their members have done.

Carousel Beast: gshepnyc: crab66: Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

THIS THIS THIS. I came here to say this. Thank you.

You do not sacrfice your own kids to any "greater good" bullshiat. That doesn't mean you are anything but immoral, selfish, a gullible follower of orders and incapable of setting decent priorities.

You're welcome for the sacrifices he and his family made to help put the community ahead of himself and his loved ones, you farking choad.

You are exactly what's wrong today: someone who can't get past the idea of extended family to focus on the betterment of society as a whole. That notion, btw, is exactly what enabled civilization. Without it, we'd be living as squatting savages in whatever environment we happened to be in; you know, like we were about 6000 years ago.

You do not get to decide that the sacrifice of another person is worth the goals you set for yourself or that your organization sets for you or that you think society has set for you.

If your argument is that such a thing is at times necessary, then you are simply arguing that a certain amount of immorality is at times necessary in which case it becomes a situation of trading one evil for another.

The guy's kid had no say in the matter as to whether that wanted that kind of life.

lordaction: According to the FBI and DOJ website, of the couple hundred terrorist attacks in the US each year, all but a handful are committed by leftist groups. Clearly we have to keep an eye on these conservatives.

Yeah...but the Left ones are hippies like ELF damaging Jeeps, the Right ones are people killing abortion clinic doctors.

clborgia: gshepnyc: crab66: Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

THIS THIS THIS. I came here to say this. Thank you.

You do not sacrfice your own kids to any "greater good" bullshiat. That doesn't mean you are anything but immoral, selfish, a gullible follower of orders and incapable of setting decent priorities.

If a Marine dies in battle I can assure you it will mess up the kids. Does this also make the marines immoral and selfish?

To a certain extent I'd have to say yes. Morality is under no obligation to conform to patriotism, by the way. They are not always in accord.

However, the Marine you are suggesting is different than the man in this case in that the Marine is not leading his kid to believe a lie in the service of what he si doing. There is no falsehood at work.

Also, a Marine dying in battle is no different from the perspective of the child's loss of a parent than if the parent died in a factory accident. Putting on the Marine uniform does not make the loss of the parent more or less special. The situation here is letting your kid grow up believing you to be something you are not in such a way that it has a profound affect on him.

mavexe: Yeah...but the Left ones are hippies like ELF damaging Jeeps, the Right ones are people killing abortion clinic doctors.

And attempting to use biological agents to kill civilians.
And I was informed that we are never to forget 9/11.
So yeah, that.
When "Leftists" kill 3,000 American civilians in a single terrorist attack, maybe there will be some equivalence.

m2313: trifoldhat: They list people who belong to Northern European Pagan religions as Racist. Along with anyone who listens to music from that area.

Do you mean neo-nazi style Odinism and the NSBM bands?

They lump them all together under the same umbrella as your sentence there.
bands like TYR, Hydevolk, or any other pagan metal band that uses Heathen symbols in their art work have been labeled as neo-nazi's. It's unfair, and untrue. There is seems to be a surge in people interested in Odinism, lately, and none of it has to do with racism. It has more to do with wanting to identify with your ancestors, and move away from Middle eastern religions.

Just because some skinhead got himself a jailhouse tat with a rune on it, does not mean runes are racist symbols. You should also know, that the hardcore racist tend to be atheist, and anticapitoloist.

Odd The Viking: gshepnyc: crab66: Willingly farking up your kids does not make you a hero.

THIS THIS THIS. I came here to say this. Thank you.

You do not sacrfice your own kids to any "greater good" bullshiat. That doesn't mean you are anything but immoral, selfish, a gullible follower of orders and incapable of setting decent priorities.

FTFA "He was estranged from his father and even used his stepfather's last name, Candland."

Which part of "estranged" do you not understand? The guy was a messed up veteran. His son had a stepfather. As in, the guy's ex-wife re-married and his son lived with them, using their name.

If that makes it all ok for you, then I envy how easy you are to soothe. You are a marketer's dream. Can I sell you a tonic if I provide testimonials?

FTFA: At the behest of his FBI handlers, Matthews-a wire often down his pants and a pistol in his shoulder holster-traveled across the country with Posey and others, attending dance parties with the Ku Klux Klan, selling weapons at truck stops and gas stations, sitting in church pews with would-be abortion-clinic bombers, and becoming a regular at gun shows and in paramilitary compounds.

Okay, screw the rest of the article -- I want to see how these soulless inbred motherfarkers dance. I bet it's line dancing....

That was a great article, but man, that was a lot of work just to put someone away for two years for selling stolen NVGs.

Oh, and for the record, Newsweek:

"In 2008 he went into the hospital for a colonoscopy; he began to bleed uncontrollably"

This is too much information.

stebain: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Too bad there wasn't a way to benefit society AND be a good father. It's good what he did. And bad what he did.

It sounds like he was a piece of excrement as a father anyway. He had multiple kids by multiple women. He had extremist views that he never full did shake (although he recognize their tactics as wrong, he still sympathized with them). He has a racist mentality that he never did shake.

Ideally, I would prefer he be a good father. If he isn't going to be one, this is some sort of redemption.

That's a really good point. And he did try to make it right by his son in some way, letting him know what was going on all those years. Not a model human by any means, but flawed in some way like us all, and doing his best to make things right.

mavexe: lordaction: According to the FBI and DOJ website, of the couple hundred terrorist attacks in the US each year, all but a handful are committed by leftist groups. Clearly we have to keep an eye on these conservatives.

Yeah...but the Left ones are hippies like ELF damaging Jeeps, the Right ones are people killing abortion clinic doctors.

Sorry, the left kills a lot more frequently. Beltway Sniper, Unabomber, etc.

I know that whenever I hear about someone I admire, my first thought is of the size and makeup of his testicles.

Then I write a headline about it and let the world know a little too much about me. I can't speak for subby. That's just me.

trifoldhat: They lump them all together under the same umbrella as your sentence there.
bands like TYR, Hydevolk, or any other pagan metal band that uses Heathen symbols in their art work have been labeled as neo-nazi's. It's unfair, and untrue. There is seems to be a surge in people interested in Odinism, lately, and none of it has to do with racism. It has more to do with wanting to identify with your ancestors, and move away from Middle eastern religions.

Just because some skinhead got himself a jailhouse tat with a rune on it, does not mean runes are racist symbols. You should also know, that the hardcore racist tend to be atheist, and anticapitoloist.

There is a significant undercurrent of racism to some of the resurge as National Socialist Black Metal bands show. Along with anti-Christian and anti-Muslim feelings that have led to attacks on immigrants and the burning of churches. Those are incidents from Europe though.
And why should I give a fark about what a racist believes aside from his racism?
They're atheist......so? "Anti-capitalist" in the sense that they might be fascists who call for a "third way" in which racist fascist governments rule.
But not really anti-capitalist in any significantly meaning sense. "Anti-capitalist" Stalin and other "anti-capitalist" Russians created one big capitalist workplace (USSR) with one big boss (himself). I'm not surprised racists don't know what they're doing.

lordaction: Beltway Sniper,

Crazy person. What political motivation he did show, was right wing.

And the Unabomber attacked Leftists in his manifesto.

Two lies, two strikes.