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Because Christians.

Because I'm a Cheerleader got an NC-17 while American Pie that same year got an R.

I think this statement is all I need to contribute.

My favorite MPAA rating debacle is Star Trek the Undiscovered Country. If the blood is red, it's R, but if it's purple/pink it's PG13.

There's no sex in your violence. Bush had it right...

It's amazing how some of the most sick violent movies (looking at you Human Centipede) gets and R, but show a wobbly bit and it's NC17.

/wouldn't Klingon blood be green or something since it's supposed be copper based instead of iron based?
//NERD

How much different would our society be if it had been the other way around? What if sex in movies was OK, and violence was shunned?

Jesus would have wanted it this way

MaxxLarge: MPAA "logic" - Caress a breast? NC-17 real. Cut it off? R simulated and fake. In the minds of the ratings board, violence is better than sex every time.

FTFY

The "violence" is all fake. Real violence would get an NC-17, or more likely, would not even get made.

Sex spreads STD's, death stops STD's

The MPAA doesn't need to reevaluate anything. It needs to cease to be. It's a pathetic band-aid to convince a bunch of religious perverts that Hollywood gives a shiat about rural American brainwashing. The MPAA is a figleaf so bored and used-up old Americans who are jealous they couldn't fark without consequences using the remainder of their trite, uninteresting lives to enforce the same repression on others.

All religion in America works in the same way: it creates a generation of mentally-crippled people by twisting their worldview, then expects them to reinforce that worldview out of spite and bitterness. "Hey, you didn't get to fark because mommy and daddy filled your head with a retarded dogma that never fit the human experience. Now you're too old to fark around. Now, are you going to let your kids do that when you couldn't? I mean, you must be all angry and such because you didn't get to do what you could have done."

America is a pathetic joke in its sexual politics.

MaxxLarge: Persnickety: The "violence" is all fake. Real violence would get an NC-17, or more likely, would not even get made.

I don't think that adequately supports the point. Unless you're watching porn, the sex isn't real, either.

You obviously haven't seen movies like Shortbus or 9 Songs, then.

I think the "fake vs real" argument has merit. When Arnold Schwarzeneggar shoots up a hundred people, you know he's not *really* killing people. But when Chloe Sevigny takes a dick in her mouth, she's really doing it. That's an important distinction.

Let's not pretend this is an MPAA problem. This is an America problem. Even Fark, a place where people often tear each other apart and make pedophile jokes is not exempt.

It's fine if I post this picture on Fark:



But this one would get me banned (NSFW).

dougermouse: It's amazing how some of the most sick violent movies (looking at you Human Centipede) gets and R, but show a wobbly bit and it's NC17.

Fast Times at Ridgemont High almost got the dread rating itself for sex in the pool house scene because in the original cut we saw that guy's junk. The point of the scene was to expose both kids and show their vulnerability, especially from the male side but the note they got back was that "the male anatomy was too aggressive". So she reshot the scene, the girl is just as naked, he's seen from the waist up, but she put up a big ol' phallic symbol on the wall right behind him.

dougermouse: My favorite MPAA rating debacle is Star Trek the Undiscovered Country. If the blood is red, it's R, but if it's purple/pink it's PG13.

There's no sex in your violence. Bush had it right...

It's amazing how some of the most sick violent movies (looking at you Human Centipede) gets and R, but show a wobbly bit and it's NC17.

/wouldn't Klingon blood be green or something since it's supposed be copper based instead of iron based?
//NERD

While conceptually Human Centipede is completely sick, they don't actually show much. Most everything is suggested.

/Evidently that changed for the sequel.

Mugato: /anyway, Brandon Lee was shot for real in the Crow and that was an R

Yeah, but that film was never used.

Guntram Shatterhand: The MPAA doesn't need to reevaluate anything. It needs to cease to be. It's a pathetic band-aid to convince a bunch of religious perverts that Hollywood gives a shiat about rural American brainwashing. The MPAA is a figleaf so bored and used-up old Americans who are jealous they couldn't fark without consequences using the remainder of their trite, uninteresting lives to enforce the same repression on others.

All religion in America works in the same way: it creates a generation of mentally-crippled people by twisting their worldview, then expects them to reinforce that worldview out of spite and bitterness. "Hey, you didn't get to fark because mommy and daddy filled your head with a retarded dogma that never fit the human experience. Now you're too old to fark around. Now, are you going to let your kids do that when you couldn't? I mean, you must be all angry and such because you didn't get to do what you could have done."

America is a pathetic joke in its sexual politics.

Mugato: KatjaMouse: Mugato: /anyway, Brandon Lee was shot for real in the Crow and that was an R

Yeah, but that film was never used.

Well then it must have been a different take of the same scene because they said it was the scene where he's standing on a table and everyone at the table opens fire. So if everyone in the audience knew that was the scene where he was killed, I don't see the distinction.

Pretty sure Brandon was shot in the scene where his character is actually killed in his apartment.

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: Because Christians.

And we're done.

Yeah I never understood this either. Pretty much everyone in the world will see a naked person of the opposite sex in real life at some point, and most of those people will probably also at some point have actual honest intercourse. At the same time, people will rarely see someone get killed in real life, or see an actual dead corpse.

KatjaMouse: Because I'm a Cheerleader got an NC-17 while American Pie that same year got an R.

I think this statement is all I need to contribute.

But I'm a Cheerleader was chopped up to avoid the NC-17:

"When originally submitted to the Motion Picture Association of America rating board, But I'm a Cheerleader received an NC-17 rating. In order to get a commercially-viable R rating, Babbit removed a two second shot of Graham's hand sweeping Megan's clothed body, a camera pan up Megan's body when she is masturbating, and a comment that Megan "ate Graham out" (slang for cunnilingus)." (Wiki (new window))

Girl masturbating = NC-17, boy farking a pie = R. Makes perfect sense.

flaminio: MaxxLarge: Persnickety: The "violence" is all fake. Real violence would get an NC-17, or more likely, would not even get made.

I don't think that adequately supports the point. Unless you're watching porn, the sex isn't real, either.

You obviously haven't seen movies like Shortbus or 9 Songs, then.

I think the "fake vs real" argument has merit. When Arnold Schwarzeneggar shoots up a hundred people, you know he's not *really* killing people. But when Chloe Sevigny takes a dick in her mouth, she's really doing it. That's an important distinction.

Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that's the distinction being made. I don't know whether it is or not, as the MPAA doesn't really come out and explain their reasoning, but let's go with it for now. It still doesn't remotely address the issue with WHY the latter is bad. Killing people? Yeah, okay, I get why that's a bad thing, and why they can't show it for real. Arnold would be arrested if he shot people in the real world. However, no real-world reason seems to exist why Chloe Sevigny SHOULDN'T take a dick in her mouth. People do it all the time with no negative consequences. Maybe it's real, maybe it's simulated, whatever, but there's no rational basis for punishing the portrayal.

danny_kay: If they *had* shown the actual headshot, that would have been a bad thing because that would make the movie a snuff movie.

JFK had an actual headshot, and was rated "R".

MaxxLarge: Last Man on Earth: Killing people? Yeah, okay, I get why that's a bad thing, and why they can't show it for real. Arnold would be arrested if he shot people in the real world. However, no real-world reason seems to exist why Chloe Sevigny SHOULDN'T take a dick in her mouth.

And that's really what I tried (and failed) to get at.

Sex: Awesome, natural, and fun. Happens everywhere, all the time, since people desire it, and tend to seek it out.
Violence: Horrible, distasteful, and nobody likes it. And few people outside of war zones really experience it up-close and personal-like.

Why is the former demonized and the latter permitted, if not outright promoted?

The old testament is pretty much torture porn with some don't do these sexy things sprinkled in for good measure. Explains pretty much everything you need to know about our society.

MaxxLarge: Sex: Awesome, natural, and fun. Happens everywhere, all the time, since people desire it, and tend to seek it out.
Violence: Horrible, distasteful, and nobody likes it. And few people outside of war zones really experience it up-close and personal-like.

Why is the former demonized and the latter permitted, if not outright promoted?

As someone succinctly stated above: Because Christians.

All middle school teens should be forced to watch Kids and Requiem for a Dream.

CSB In High School English they showed the old version of Romeo & Juliet that had nudity. Good Times.

Falco09: Mugato: KatjaMouse: Mugato: /anyway, Brandon Lee was shot for real in the Crow and that was an R

Yeah, but that film was never used.

Well then it must have been a different take of the same scene because they said it was the scene where he's standing on a table and everyone at the table opens fire. So if everyone in the audience knew that was the scene where he was killed, I don't see the distinction.

Pretty sure Brandon was shot in the scene where his character is actually killed in his apartment.

Yeah. He was actually killed by 'Fun Boy's' gun. My friend was convinced it was the table/mob boss scene too but I looked up the whole episode and there was this step by step dissection of the rape and murder scene detailing how everything went wrong because someone in the prop department was a sloppy dumbass.

Violence is bad, but we're used to it in movies now. Sex is good, but we're not used to it. Hard to make the switch now.

If we never censored a word, then those words would have less power. Does anyone care when people say "ass" anymore? No, because it doesn't get censored. If we stopped censoring "fark", then it would become the same thing.

And if nudity and sex was normal in movies, then eventually, no one would care either.

Lord Dimwit: The King's Speech: Beautiful period piece showing a slice of life during one of the most important moments in recent history, beautifully acted and photographed, with an inspirational message and a display of genuine friendship and family. Guy says "fark": Rated R.

Saw IV: Dismemberment, torture, blood, violence. Rated R.

*sigh*

I don't get this, either. If my kids could pay attention (8 & 5), I would have no problem with them watching the kings speech, uncut. I wouldn't let a 15 year old see any of the Saw series. I don't like unjustifiable glorification of violence. On the flip side, I have very little problem with a 15 yr old seeing Schindler's list, Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers, so long as they watch the whole thing: context is king there.

It's started a big discussion in America about why is sex taboo and why is violence okay.

No it hasn't.

Like a rating has ever really stopped someone from watching a movie.

moothemagiccow: Like a rating has ever really stopped someone from watching a movie.

The point is it stops the theaters from showing them at all and removes consumer choice.

There's no sex in your violence.

because BOOBIES and PENISES

Mugato: moothemagiccow: Like a rating has ever really stopped someone from watching a movie.

The studio seems to think it does. That's why they water down many R rated films to PG-13 because they think (probably correctly) that more people will see them. I mean for Chrissake, the last Die Hard was a PG-13. Die Hard.

I'm actually friends with a Mormon who won't watch R rated movies at all. The only exception he made was The King's Speech because he thought the naughty language reasoning for the rating was silly.

Last Man on Earth: Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that's the distinction being made. I don't know whether it is or not, as the MPAA doesn't really come out and explain their reasoning, but let's go with it for now. It still doesn't remotely address the issue with WHY the latter is bad. Killing people? Yeah, okay, I get why that's a bad thing, and why they can't show it for real. Arnold would be arrested if he shot people in the real world. However, no real-world reason seems to exist why Chloe Sevigny SHOULDN'T take a dick in her mouth. People do it all the time with no negative consequences. Maybe it's real, maybe it's simulated, whatever, but there's no rational basis for punishing the portrayal.


Taking a dump is natural too, so is running around with no clothes. You'll get arrested if you do either in public. Sex is also intimate and private, despite being natural. A movie may depict a couple having sex in the privacy of their own home, but in truth they are doing it in front of everyone, i.e. the audience. It's the de facto real and public nature of the sex that makes it explicit. To get rid of the NC-17, you must either make it less real (tone down the nudity) or less public (fade to black).