A million more kids have health insurance? Clearly, the iron curtain has descended upon our great nation.


/snark
//seriously, one million customers? Insurance firms are loving this

Will nobody think of all the job creators that make tiny little crutches and toddler sized breathing tubes...

Insurance is something you get so you don't get bankrupted if you suddenly have to go to the hospital (for example, if you end up in a car wreck or something). We've just perverted it over the years instead of doing the right thing the first time: single-payer.

/maybe we'll pull our heads out of our collective asses once we get sick of the top 1% telling us what we want.

I had my million plus bill paid by the state. I had no insurance. My ex had a business and house, same accident, He paid 5,000.00 to the 650,000 bill that the state paid. This is not new but you do have to fill out the right forms. Our accident happened December 26, 1994.

This is horrible news. I enjoy my money less, with more people not suffering below me.

Most of their parents are probably unemployed or soon to be, so at least there is that.

Well, yeah, sure they did... with a GUN AT THEIR HEADS!!! Gol-durn communazis, I tell you whut!

No wonder the GOP changed its mind about individual mandates back in 2008. This is a national nightmare.

No wonder our most productive citizens refuse to create jobs. They hate uncertainty, and not knowing for certain that poor kids won't be able to afford the health care they need is causing market unrest and forcing those oppressed job-creators to sit on their hands. Damn you, Obama! Why does that anti-colonial Kenyan-Marxist hate letting the free market kill kids?

themindiswatching: We've just perverted it over the years instead of doing the right thing the first time: single-payer.

Yeah, but have you ever been to the DMV? I've been infromed by the experts that it would be exactly like that.

At what cost?

We lost freedom the day that bill was signed into law. For the first time, the US Government made it mandatory for every person to have it. Compulsory insurance ownership takes away the choice from the citizen.

Like you Liberals always say "Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither". Well, you gave up freedom for security.

cman: At what cost?

We lost freedom the day that bill was signed into law. For the first time, the US Government made it mandatory for every person to have it. Compulsory insurance ownership takes away the choice from the citizen.

Like you Liberals always say "Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither". Well, you gave up freedom for security.

Have the jackbooted thugs burst through your door yet and forced you at gun point to purchase insurance?

Oh wait, that's not at all how it works, drama lama.

NewportBarGuy: Yeah, but have you ever been to the DMV? I've been infromed by the experts that it would be exactly like that.

But...I had to wait a whole half hour at the DMV last time I was there! And once, the post office gave my junk mail to my next door neighbor instead of me! The government just can't do anything right, why are we giving them complete control over our health care?

Wow. So, legislation written by and for the health insurance providers is benefiting health insurance providers?!?

Gee... who would have guessed.

Who is paying for their insurance?

How will parents pay the deductibles. If they can't pay the deductibles, do they still get the attention they need?

These and other overlooked questions haunt Obamacare from now until the day it is fully implemented in 2014. If it was such a good idea, why the delay?

Obamacare is working. The right will be attempting to take credit for this landmark bill in 20 or 30 years. Count on it.

cman: We lost freedom the day that bill was signed into law. For the first time, the US Government made it mandatory for every person to have it. Compulsory insurance ownership takes away the choice from the citizen.

Is anyone suggesting that, when single payer is implemented, that patients should not be allowed to pay cash to doctors, hospitals, or pharmacies? Or suggesting that it be illegal to not seek medical treatment?

Is there any country with a single payer (or hybrid) system in which it is illegal for patients to pay cash to doctors, hospitals, or pharmacies? Or illegal to not seek medical treatment?

If not, then choice has not been abrogated in any meaningful way. The choices are 'reduced' from several very similar insurance corporations, paying cash, or not seeking treatment down to one insurance bureau, paying cash, or not seeking treatment.

The only reason the wife and I can afford health insurance these days is because of MassHealth (known as Romneycare to partisan morons)...

I've had asthma my whole life, and without that much maligned program, I wouldn't be able to afford my medication and still afford to pay my mortgage and buy food.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Obamacare is working. The right will be attempting to take credit for this landmark bill in 20 or 30 years. Count on it.

When Chelsea Clinton runs for office in 25 years on a single-payer system, the Tea Party Party (TPP) will be yelling, keep your socialist hands off our Obamacare.

EnviroDude: Who is paying for their insurance?

How will parents pay the deductibles. If they can't pay the deductibles, do they still get the attention they need?

These and other overlooked questions haunt Obamacare from now until the day it is fully implemented in 2014. If it was such a good idea, why the delay?

Too much uncertainty and questions I agree. People not having coverage is much easier to understand and much more clear-cut. Having a strategy to have more universal coverage just muddies the water.

Who pays for medical care of someone who shows up at an emergency room today that does not have insurances and can't pay? Do you know hospital-by-hospital, city-by-city and State-by-State how this cost is absorbed? Where was your concern about who pays back then?

EnviroDude: How will parents pay the deductibles. If they can't pay the deductibles, do they still get the attention they need?

These and other overlooked questions haunt Obamacare from now until the day it is fully implemented in 2014. If it was such a good idea, why the delay?

1) So you're saying the cost of entry into healthcare has been reduced, but not removed? Good thing you were so opposed to single-payer, this way you still have something to complain about!

2) It was placed on a delay because it required a huge change in policy for a number of private companies. Silly EnviroDude, compliance requirements measured in hours are a republican tactic.

Aren't all of those poor kids (many of them possibly not white)?
Oh, great... now they'll grow up to be healthier criminals.

If Tiny Tim has medical care then how is Scrooge supposed to learn about true generosity of spirit? It's going to be awfully embarrassing if the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come shows up with Ebenezer and the kid is just running around playing.

That bastard!

NewportBarGuy: Yeah, but have you ever been to the DMV? I've been infromed by the experts that it would be exactly like that.

I've never had a problem at the DMV.

what_now: NewportBarGuy: Yeah, but have you ever been to the DMV? I've been infromed by the experts that it would be exactly like that.

I've never had a problem at the DMV.

Same here... they've even got some antique church pews for folks to wait for their turn at the one I go to... and, honestly, I very rarely have to go, as most issues can be handled online now.

I think I've been to the RMV twice in the last 5 years. Once to register a new vehicle (after some bastard stole my old one) and once to get an updated picture on my license when I renewed it.

So, the other day I'm sitting in a room with some friends, drinking beer and having the age old pizza/Chinese debate*, and the topic of health care came up. Everyone in that room had a full time professional job with healthcare benefits, high disposable income and no dependents. We're in Massachusetts, the state with the best healthcare in the country.

The one guy was complaining that his knee had been bothering him for a while, but he had to see his PCP who would refer him to an orthopedists, and all he really needed was some PT, but he had to go through all these hoops and blah blah blah bureaucracy-cakes. This girl started talking about her allergy shots and how fng insane her insurance company had been about covering them, even though she really couldn't go to work unless she had them, and why did she have to jump through these hoops?

Then the veteran in the group said, "Did I ever tell you guys about the time I got a full body scan and MRI on the spot because my head hurt?" That cost him zero dollars by the way.






*we went with Chinese. It was glorious

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: James!: cman: At what cost?

We lost freedom the day that bill was signed into law. For the first time, the US Government made it mandatory for every person to have it. Compulsory insurance ownership takes away the choice from the citizen.

Like you Liberals always say "Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither". Well, you gave up freedom for security.

Have the jackbooted thugs burst through your door yet and forced you at gun point to purchase insurance?

Oh wait, that's not at all how it works, drama lama.

That's how the Church of England works, I believe.

You probably would have never expected this, but that's how the Spanish Inquisition works.

/also hate the mandate
//no real problem with the rest of the law, but it could've been better

xanadian: /also hate the mandate
//no real problem with the rest of the law, but it could've been better

The rest of the law doesn't really work without the mandate. What don't you like about it? Ooh, your taxes would go up if you don't have insurance! OH NOES.

How does that compare to the number of actual new kids? Are we just keeping up with population growth?

Yeah, a great success. Americans can't afford to pay their mortgages or put food on the table and Obama raises the shiat out of taxes so illegal aliens can get free health care. is black

kapaso: The idea of children getting health insurance is all fine and dandy, but how are the insurance companies supposed to stay in business if they insure children with pre-existing conditions?

No expense is spared when trying to save the life of a toddler, it is simply not good business to insure them when they have a terminal disease.

Plus their organs are so valuable to the kids/pets of the 1%.

lordaction: and Obama raises the shiat out of taxes

What taxes were raised, exactly?