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(Talking Points Memo) Dumbass Newt Gingrich likes to write off his previous support of an individual mandate as an indiscretion from the 90s. But he supported the idea as lately as 2008, the same year Democrats started talking about implementing it   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 46
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2011-11-29 05:07:03 PM
Leaving Romney as their only viable candidate who has never supported the individual mandate.

Oh, wait...

//it's still going to be Romney
 
2011-11-29 05:11:43 PM
RINO!
 
2011-11-29 05:18:49 PM
Perhaps it was his evil twin. Well, his twin, anyway.
 
2011-11-29 05:31:18 PM
Snarfangel: Perhaps it was his evil twin. Well, his twin, anyway.

Somewhere out there, there is a Newt Gingrich with a goatee who is still married to and blissfully in love with his wife of 40 years.
 
2011-11-29 05:37:36 PM
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2011-11-29 05:38:22 PM
Further proof that most self-proclaimed conservatives are just anti-liberal (afraid of the gays and non-whites).

Newt may have conservative ideas, but the voters he needs to snag from Mitt want to hear how Obama is a secret Muslin socialist communist antichrist. The same who do not have the mental faculty to understand that Medicare and Social Security are government run programs conservatives want to dismantle.
 
2011-11-29 05:46:15 PM
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Haters gonna hate
 
2011-11-29 06:18:20 PM
Newt isn't quite in the same league as Romney. Schrodinger's Candidate exists in BOTH positions, equally, until called upon to answer a question.

Newt, just mouths his position, despite whatever he said in the past. It is a quality of his inherent dickishness that keeps him from having the Quantum Political Superposition like Romney. Well, that and Romney has better hair. But the dickishness that Gingrinch holds pretty much bars him from ever retreating from a position gracefully, and thus, he gets tripped up by folks who really enjoy watching him try to get out of embarrassing questions...
 
2011-11-29 07:30:41 PM
hubiestubert: Schrodinger's Candidate exists in BOTH positions, equally, until called upon to answer a question.

This is what happens when you try to achieve the status of "Generic Republican".
 
2011-11-29 07:30:53 PM
To me, this is just the most obvious sign of how intellectually bankrupt the Republican Party is. Do they really want health care costs to swallow up nearly 50% of GDP? That is the road we're going down unless we address the problem with cost controls. The only way you do that is by getting more younger, healthier people paying into the system. They get coverage they hopefully don't need to use and their premiums go towards paying for older people who need it. How f*cking expensive do you think car insurance would be if it was not mandated? Right, it would be cost prohibitive and fewer people would have it leading to massive costs incurred with uninsured motorist accidents.

Jesus Christ. Act like a goddamn adult and think through the cost benefit scenario of trying to reign in the single largest cost we face as a nation you f*cking children. You won't, of course, because you're stupid and petty.
 
2011-11-29 07:33:26 PM
hubiestubert: Schrodinger's Candidate exists in BOTH positions, equally, until called upon to answer a question.

I like this description. It also feeds well into "Schrodinger's Dog" jokes.
 
2011-11-29 07:34:59 PM
i'll bet Newt is really hating youtube right about now...
 
2011-11-29 07:35:31 PM
NewportBarGuy: Do they really want health care costs to swallow up nearly 50% of GDP?

...

Jesus Christ. Act like a goddamn adult and think through the cost benefit scenario of trying to reign in the single largest cost we face as a nation you f*cking children.


You're assuming they haven't. Why aren't they concerned about the problem? Because where they're standing, there isn't a problem. Ask yourself who's doing the swallowing, and it'll make a lot more sense.
 
2011-11-29 07:36:33 PM
Every President of the United States prior to 2008 elections has been white. All bets are off.
 
2011-11-29 07:38:03 PM
How proud you Republicans must be.
 
2011-11-29 07:38:51 PM
And if there's anyone who's an expert on the subject of indiscretions (particularly repeated ones), it's Newt.
 
2011-11-29 07:45:02 PM
Weaver95: i'll bet Newt is really hating youtube right about now...

To be fair, there are a lot of folks who really hate the instant quoting that can be done, in context even. It might explain why some folks are pulling so hard to get a reign on the Interwebz now.

Sadly, the very Freedoms that the Asshat Section really like to tout is beginning to be sort of an Achilles Heel when it comes to protests, instant reporting from cell phones, instant video, and endlessly searchable quotations and even video of events that they conveniently thought was buried. Which, for folks who were raised on the idea of tape, and only in studios of major networks, or from tin shack ham radio operators, makes some sense. We are just now getting Senators and Congresscritters, and a few candidates, like Obama was, who understand the new medium. And that it can bite you on the ass if you forget that everyone has the tech now.

Nixon was brought down because he underestimated the tech. Weiner forgot about the tech. Candidates and those who hold office are on record now, 24/7, and events like Bachmann trying to hide behind bushes, they're instantly capturable, and then able to be sent out. And these folks think that they're sly and that folks don't have instant archives to search from.

The leadership is beginning to get an idea of this, and the response has been to throttle the Internet, in the same way that they see tinpot dictators do, or the Chinese, and similar results will ensue if they do, and that is the damning factor. The genie is long out of the bottle, and when faced with behaving like grown ups, and simply trying say SHUT UP! we have a set in Washington and in the State Houses and Congresses who would rather go authoritarian, damn near every time.

Behave like grown ups, and own up to your mistakes. Not complain that people caught you out, and that it's not fair like a whiney little girl.
 
2011-11-29 07:47:58 PM
ideas evolving? Is that the line?
 
2011-11-29 07:50:40 PM
Crabs_Can_Polevault: Because where they're standing, there isn't a problem.

It's a math problem and it will impact the wealthiest 1% because the entire budget is going to be health care and interest on the national debt. We'll be looking at a 90% top-tier tax rate just to pay the bills.
 
2011-11-29 07:52:41 PM
hubiestubert: Weaver95: (a lot of valid words)

Good thoughts all around. The problem is that yes, they won't succeed, but they will still try and end up doing a lot of damage in the process.
 
2011-11-29 07:52:53 PM
He didn't like it as soon as Obama did.
 
2011-11-29 07:53:43 PM
NewportBarGuy: Crabs_Can_Polevault: Because where they're standing, there isn't a problem.

It's a math problem and it will impact the wealthiest 1% because the entire budget is going to be health care and interest on the national debt. We'll be looking at a 90% top-tier tax rate just to pay the bills.


no military budget?
surely you can't leave that one out.
 
2011-11-29 07:56:44 PM
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He's supported the individual mandate more recent than Romney.
 
2011-11-29 07:58:41 PM
NewportBarGuy: Crabs_Can_Polevault: Because where they're standing, there isn't a problem.

It's a math problem and it will impact the wealthiest 1% because the entire budget is going to be health care and interest on the national debt. We'll be looking at a 90% top-tier tax rate just to pay the bills.


On most points I agree, but here, no; the problem isn't math, but apathy: They just don't care. Remember, their philosophy can be boiled down to five words, four of which are "you I got mine."
 
2011-11-29 08:11:51 PM
Crabs_Can_Polevault: On most points I agree, but here, no; the problem isn't math, but apathy: They just don't care. Remember, their philosophy can be boiled down to five words, four of which are "you I got mine."

Yeah, I'll give you that. However, this is essentially their plan. They just hate it now because they aren't proposing it, Obama is. He basically stole the Republican plan and made it his own with a few alterations. They many not give two f*cks about poor people, sick people, or elderly poor sick people, but they will have to pay for it eventually. The system is much like our crumbling infrastructure, it needs to be overhauled and it needs it NOW. We're an aging country and this is only going to get worse, not better.

Isitoveryet: no military budget?
surely you can't leave that one out.



The amount of money we're going to need? Just Google Peter Orzsag's comments and numbers about how serious it is. Health Costs Are the Real Deficit Threat (new window)

If we can reduce overheads costs by simplifying the billing system and records system, we would be well on our way to significant savings. That's what this does, but it's evil because Socialism of some such bullsh*t. The Constitution is not a financial death pact we can wrap ourselves in as the cost of health care overtakes what we can afford. It's ridiculous we're fighting like this and not trying to find real ways to make it happen. Deregulating and allowing health care companies to compete across state lines will only lead to the same kinds of problems as when people go with a cut rate car insurance company and they wonder why they get no check when they call in a claim. The counter-offers were ridiculous.
 
2011-11-29 08:22:25 PM
PreMortem: Further proof that most self-proclaimed conservatives are just anti-liberal (afraid of the gays and non-whites).

Newt may have conservative ideas, but the voters he needs to snag from Mitt want to hear how Obama is a secret Muslin socialist communist antichrist. The same who do not have the mental faculty to understand that Medicare and Social Security are government run programs conservatives want to dismantle.


His ability to hurp the derp and status as the guy who stuck it to Clinton far outweigh any actual positions he has held.
 
2011-11-29 08:31:37 PM
Individual mandates without single payer sucks.

That noted, the fact that Gingrich is now against this GOP-originated idea all too clearly underscores the sad reality that the GOP have simply run out of ideas by this point beyond being against whatever the Dems are currently for. They have devolved into petulant children, knee jerk reactionaries, demented extras from Monty Python's Argument Clinic sketch.

How can anyone want to vote for that?
 
2011-11-29 08:51:23 PM
quatchi: How can anyone want to vote for that?

It makes no sense to people like us. But remember, the Republican Party's main objective in life is to stick it to the libs. Everything they do or say suddenly makes sense when you remember that. They're not trying to improve our nation - or even their own lives - they're trying to stick it to the libs. And that leads to such quality product as the Half Hour News Hour, the war in Iraq, Michele Bachmann and Newt Gingrich.
 
2011-11-29 08:54:44 PM
What's the point in getting into a froth about this? Who are you going to convince? The GOP voters that are currently longing for Gingrich hate Romney, and no matter how many facts you show about Newt's positions will never convince them he's a loser. Unless Newt gets caught with a hooker and blow (and even that might not be enough) he will continue to be a threat to Romney in the primaries.

A sweet, delicious threat.
 
2011-11-29 08:55:07 PM
RON PAUL truly is America's best bet.
 
2011-11-29 08:58:42 PM
GaryPDX: RON PAUL truly is America's best bet.

Well, good luck with that.
 
2011-11-29 09:06:10 PM
Of course he supported it. It's a wonderful gift to the health insurance companies.

The GOP loves the Affordable Care Act. Not only is it a huge corporate giveaway, it will fail to control costs, which they can then blame on Obama and use as an excuse to try even more destructive things, like tort reform and allowing insurance companies to work across state lines.

But make no mistake; the GOP effectively wrote the bill by filibustering anything else and passing hundreds of amendments (then whining about the length).

Newt's only mistake was suggesting something that Obama would later adopt.
 
2011-11-29 09:08:43 PM
GaryPDX: RON PAUL truly is America's best bet.

That other guy that loads pork into bills for his district? I get all of them confused.
 
2011-11-29 09:21:23 PM
gilgigamesh: Snarfangel: Perhaps it was his evil twin. Well, his twin, anyway.

Somewhere out there, there is a Newt Gingrich with a goatee who is still married to and blissfully in love with his wife of 40 years.


I'm betting he's the one with the goatee.
 
2011-11-29 09:24:07 PM
The Why Not Guy: quatchi: How can anyone want to vote for that?

It makes no sense to people like us. But remember, the Republican Party's main objective in life is to stick it to the libs. Everything they do or say suddenly makes sense when you remember that. They're not trying to improve our nation - or even their own lives - they're trying to stick it to the libs. And that leads to such quality product as the Half Hour News Hour, the war in Iraq, Michele Bachmann and Newt Gingrich.


Sadly agree.

The phrase "cut off your own nose to spite your face" comes all to easily to mind when contemplating the mindless rah-rah "my team roolz, yours droolz" mentality that the GOP base have reduced themselves to.

The corporate media's culpability in all this cannot be over stated.
 
2011-11-29 09:40:51 PM
Does anyone actually believe that the fact that he is an inveterate liar matters in the least to GOP voters?
 
2011-11-29 09:43:36 PM
Sock Ruh Tease: GaryPDX: RON PAUL truly is America's best bet.

That other guy that loads pork into bills for his district? I get all of them confused.


Believe it or not, there was actually a time in this country when a representative's job was to represent their district. Like, to get as much as they could for it and its interests. And they put their district ahead of their party's national agenda. Crazy idea, I know.

I'm not saying waste is good, but very few earmarks actually are wasteful, and getting them is a sign of a good representative. So sayeth the Founding Fathers.™
 
2011-11-29 09:59:32 PM
LiberalWeenie: Sock Ruh Tease: GaryPDX: RON PAUL truly is America's best bet.

That other guy that loads pork into bills for his district? I get all of them confused.

Believe it or not, there was actually a time in this country when a representative's job was to represent their district. Like, to get as much as they could for it and its interests. And they put their district ahead of their party's national agenda. Crazy idea, I know.

I'm not saying waste is good, but very few earmarks actually are wasteful, and getting them is a sign of a good representative. So sayeth the Founding Fathers.™


I know; I'm just trolling Gary.
 
2011-11-29 10:07:00 PM
NewportBarGuy: If we can reduce overheads costs by simplifying the billing system and records system, we would be well on our way to significant savings. That's what this does, but it's evil because Socialism of some such bullsh*t.

Simplifying various processes is fine but the problem is not one of paperwork and these minor parts of the ACA will probably not address the cost issue in any significant way.

The Constitution is not a financial death pact we can wrap ourselves in as the cost of health care overtakes what we can afford.

The Constitution is of great value and it shouldn't be messed with just because the country faces a particularly vexing public policy issue. One that our current crop of elected leaders is obviously not good enough to handle.

I'm looking forward to the government's lawyers explaining what exactly are the limits of congressional power. Everybody should be troubled by the fact that they haven't managed to do that yet.

It's ridiculous we're fighting like this and not trying to find real ways to make it happen. Deregulating and allowing health care companies to compete across state lines will only lead to the same kinds of problems as when people go with a cut rate car insurance company and they wonder why they get no check when they call in a claim. The counter-offers were ridiculous.

The ACA does allow the sale of health insurance across state lines. It's limited but it's also done every day. Brokers who sell are commonly licensed in multiple states. What you're likely to see in the insurance industry is fewer carriers. United, BCBS, Aetna, Humana, and maybe a few others will last and the small ones will disappear. This is probably not good in the long run but it at least gives the big insurance companies more leverage when negotiating payments with providers.

But then, if we have an expansion of medicare (instead of gutting it, which members of both parties are willing to do) we can avoid the mess altogether and have an idea of where taxes ought to be.
 
2011-11-29 10:42:26 PM
vernonFL: [talkingelectronics.com image 380x280]

I LOL'd
 
2011-11-29 10:43:57 PM
LiberalWeenie: Of course he supported it. It's a wonderful gift to the health insurance companies.

The GOP loves the Affordable Care Act. Not only is it a huge corporate giveaway, it will fail to control costs, which they can then blame on Obama and use as an excuse to try even more destructive things, like tort reform and allowing insurance companies to work across state lines.

But make no mistake; the GOP effectively wrote the bill by filibustering anything else and passing hundreds of amendments (then whining about the length).

Newt's only mistake was suggesting something that Obama would later adopt.


THIS
 
2011-11-29 11:00:00 PM
Sock Ruh Tease: LiberalWeenie: Sock Ruh Tease: GaryPDX: RON PAUL truly is America's best bet.

That other guy that loads pork into bills for his district? I get all of them confused.

Believe it or not, there was actually a time in this country when a representative's job was to represent their district. Like, to get as much as they could for it and its interests. And they put their district ahead of their party's national agenda. Crazy idea, I know.

I'm not saying waste is good, but very few earmarks actually are wasteful, and getting them is a sign of a good representative. So sayeth the Founding Fathers.™

I know; I'm just trolling Gary.


Heh.
 
2011-11-30 12:15:28 AM
Fox news will pick their candidate in due time. Be patient, this is theater that is all about money and ratings.

Don't actually think that free will amongst conservatards will prevail. Ludicrous!

They will be brainwashed in the nick of time.

Until then off to sell ADVERTISING!!!!!!
 
2011-11-30 12:17:46 AM
quatchi: Individual mandates without single payer sucks.

But it's still better than what we have, which basically allows people that can afford to purchase health insurance to not pay for it, but yet they are still eligible to receive health care at ERs that they can't pay for when they are in a life threatening emergency.

I agree that everyone deserves health care, regardless of ability to pay. I'm not convinced that the Canadian model is the best system though. There may be combinations of private and public health insurance that will work better.

/So Obama was the first one to actually be against the individual mandate!
 
2011-11-30 01:04:28 AM
Newt is a lard bucket
 
2011-11-30 08:14:23 AM
those dems are so liberal they gave us the same kind of bs health system that newt the right wing nut wanted.

Yeah I need to keep voting for the dems.
 
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