Re: Freedom of Speech. You can say whetever you want, and people have the right not to listen to you.

If you sign your name on a list that says "I do not want to hear you," you are no longer permitted to make them listen, within reasonable bounds.

And people, private telephones are not public forums. You have the right to free speech in a public forum. You do not have the right to free speech when it is taking place within the confines of a privately owned, um, thingy. If you were, then no one would ever be allowed to kick anyone out of a bar, for example. I am legally permitted to kick someone out of my private residence for ANY REASON, so long as they don't have previous legal right to be there (i.e. a search warrant, if they're on the lease too, etc.)

I pay my phone bill, it's my phone, I get to decide who's on it. Freedom of Speech does not apply to other people's property.

thank you

I'm starting my own list. I'm calling it my "Do Not Asnwer" list. The first two entries are as follows:

UNKNOWN
PRIVATE


I'll add to it later.

clevershark-

I only have a mobile phone too...but I get all these text messaging spams. I admit it is a lot nicer than telemarketing, but not a perfect solution.

And, apparently, typing </b> is too :-)

/html idiot

This deserves a tag

Whelp there goes an estimated 2 million jobs. I mean unemployment isn't a problem its the entire economy. There are just so many jobs out there for these people.

how come there isn't a "Do-Not-Tax" list? Should I run for politics?

TheTranceFan

The court's dont (or rather aren't supposed to) enforce shiat. The purpose of the courts is to INTERPRET. It is the executive branch that enforces. The problems start when you have Judges trying to make and enforce law, because it destroys checks and balances.

Auckum

This doesn't necessary kill jobs. Keeping the same amount of telemarketers and reducing the available number of phone numbers will in fact increase productivity since the numbers removed would have been dead ends anyways. Now, when they call a number the chances of making a sale will be increased.

Is it not a waste of time and money to be calling people who just hang up on you anyway? I'm so glad I haven't got the "non-profit credit reduction" recording this week on my machine.
baby jesus smiles

Do not lists need to catch on..
Do not spam, good call.
Do not proslythise is another good idea

Any other reasonable ideas out there?

whenever they used to call and I wasn't immediately busy I would sit on the phone and say, "uh huh, uh huh" until they finished their little speech and then I would tell them I wasn't interested. They hate wasting 5 minutes as much as we hate the call. Fnckers.

Spoofman_v2.0

Of course you are right about that. I stand corrected.

/Too Busy typing <i>

skiinstructor:
"...there's still the issue of the bastard who calls at about 8, and doesn't say anything. just silence on the other end."

I'm sorry. I'll stop. 8)

Brother_Head

I get that all the time. Sometimes like 4 messages on my answering machine that is just nothing. My *69 only works if I don't answer so by the time I figure out it's that, it's too late. Which is why I've ultimately decided to trade in my land line for a cell phone.

I don't believe that this kills jobs in the long term. All of the people who used to buy crap from a telemarketter now have a little bit more cash to spend on something else. They'll buy crap at Walmart or whatever, so Walmart will need more employees.

Well, actually, those judges did bring up a good point. Do we have the right to say that a business that employs thousands of people should be eliminated just because its annoying?

Ah fark 'em.

fark those farking tellimarketers...To me, they're one step below that brown shiat you scrub off the bottom of your toilet bowl...

rogue
I don't think the judge's responsiblity is to look at how many people they employ or how annoying it is. The legistature should have done that. It's the judge's job to make sure that it's legal and constitutional.
I don't really understand on what grounds the original decision was based. Did that first judge say that it was unconstitutional?

It's a sad day for the American people... This is almost as bad as Reality Television.

My right to privacy should always trump your right to commercial speech. Do you really think our founding fathers would have considered you electronically entering my home uninvitited whenever you damn well please to try and hawk your wares a right to free speech? Maybe now I can get rid of my $3.95 a month privacy manager that works wonders and help the homeless. Or just buy more booze.

ChickenFriedMonkey

The first judge ruled that the agency did not have the authority to create and enforce such a list. Congress then gave them that power.

Never fear!!!!!

All the telemarketers have to do is become a "non-profit" firm and they can call to their heart's content.

All they have to do is what MANY other "non-profit" firms do..... give 1% of the proceeds to charitable causes and use the other 99% to pay those BIG wages to the handfull of business suits with no morals, pay a pittance to those actually working and cover the overhead with the rest.

It will take a couple weeks to alter the business structures and then the volume of calls that drive us nuts as we try to escape the materialist society within our ONE retreat..... inside our homes, is again invaded by the capitalist pigs who have no consideration for anything but amassing wealth.

/actually eagerly awaiting the fall of the Great Satan

MadDog for everyone!

Woot! Very glad to hear that this has finally been given the go ahead.

obbop

When do you run for office?

Since when did "preserving industry" become a government function? Don't the rules of market economics dictate that government interference in the private sector only exacerbates unemployment and prevents innovation?

Ultimately, striking down the DNC list leads to wasted human resources, as those employees are given no incentive to seek the training and education that would lead them to more productive (both socially and materially) jobs. They continue to work in an industry whose sole purpose is to annoy and invade.

Outlawing telemarketing will be good for the economy.

This truely amazes me. All those 51 million people on the list are likely those who slam down the phone when they realize its a telemarketer. It just makes the telemarketers job easier by screening out the people who arent interested anyhow. Seriously....

Well, I must join the hordes of farkers that finally got a link approved.

Telemarketing is an industry that shouldn't exist. Period. Telemarketing was never a concern when the constituition and bill of rights was written, so we need to stop applying old logic to a modern and very annoying problem.

And even if you must bring the Bill of Rights into this, this isn't about "free speech." Telemarketing's "speech" is in no way free: it costs you time and, in some cases, actual money. You are being forced to listen to it, or at least deal with it. Your privacy is being invaded. Did I mention that telemarketing IS NOT FREE SPEECH?

You are all going to be very, very sorry about this someday.

/prognosticator

Goodbye, telemarketers. You are not in control.

Hell ya. Don't call me A$$f&&KS

RickTheVote: just a couple of questions for you-
1)Are you a telemarketer or do you have family that are telemarketers?
2) Do you purchase goods and services from telemarketers?
3) Do you have a land-line? If yes, did you really not put yourself on the list? If no, can you honestly say that if you did have a land-line you would not put yourself on the list?
4) What type of fire and brimstone do you feel will come about from the list? Please give specific examples on how you believe this list will set a precedent for individual's rights to be trampled on in the future.

drgloryboy, excellent questions.

1) My only relation to that business was when I was 14. I worked telemarketing for 2 weeks, and then ran away from it as fast as I could.

2) I don't purchase from telemarketers, because I never get calls from telemarketers.

3) No land line for me. I'm sure if I had one, I would get telemarketing calls. (As for putting myself on the list if I had a land line: no, I would not put myself on the list. I would get rid of my land line, as I already have, long ago)

4) This list will get into the hands of politicians and charities, and possible other people. This list will be used as proof that the people on the list want solicitations from folks other than commercial businesses (even though it's not intended as such). The laws that allow this list, sometime in the future, will be manipulated and reshaped to serve different purposes.

I agree with everyone that getting calls from telemarketers sucks. I disagree that the solution is having the government create the laws and list that they have. I do not get calls from telemarketers, and Ive managed to achieve that without the new Do Not Call list. Why dont others do the same? I believe because its easier to run to the government and have them do the work instead.

Rickthevote,
If i only get calls from charities and politicians now, that is fine cause i will tell them to F**k off as well.

Getting rid of your phone is not the answer to be free of telemarketers. When you say, "why don't others do the same" do the same what?? Not have a phone?? Great solution there, if i wanted to be rid of bills, i could just not have a house as well. If i didn't want to pay for gas i could walk..
What kind of solution is that? Telemarketers call cell phones as well, so that doesn't work either.
Please tell us this master plan of getting rid of people trying to sell us crap. Oh wait, you don't have one. Just a bunch of smack talk. Telemarketers are relentless, they will not stop working to bother you. Asking to be put on do not call lists does not work in any way shape or form.

Why should i have to screen every call, pay for services like caller id which doesnt even identify telemarketers (unless you consider out of area or unavailable as being usefull).
How you say the list will be used for other people to call you is insane, if anything, companies will know the people on the do not call list will be quick to hang up on anyone they do not know, certainly not people who are willing to talk to you.

If you enjoy being bothered, don't sign up, you sound like the type that wants to waste time. I mean, you were dumb enough to work as one, bothering people you didn't know to a point you obviously cannot comprehend.
It's not up to you, and never will be that the list is in effect and for that i am happy.

Why do people still think the constitution applies to this crap (or just about anything these days). That thing was written a long long time ago, when there weren't people calling you every farking night to sell you crap you don't want!

Heck let's live by the 2000+ year-old Bible while we're at it. Oh wait we already do that.

macgyver

1) Get back on your meds
2) Finish your homework
3) Tell your mom I'm sorry I never called her back

I haven't got a single telemarketer call since oct 1, it has been wonderful!

Now if we can just get non-profits, political, and religious groups added it will be perfect.

DrCyclops
Corporations have all the legal rights of individuals. No joke.

No they don't. They have many of the rights, but not all of them. A corporation can not, for instance, vote. When it comes to first amendment rights, corporations got a huge boost because a court reporter (not a judge) interpreted a ruling to indicate that corporations have equivilent speech rights as individuals, which was used to set precedent, but, over the years, cumulative restrictions have been placed upon corporations (e.g., workplace harassment laws limit corporate speech in a manner that would be a patently illegal infringement on individual speech).

Downside: charities & other exempt groups are using the do-not-call list as a calling list. I've started getting calls on my cell phone for this sh*t.

Auckum
Whelp there goes an estimated 2 million jobs. I mean unemployment isn't a problem its the entire economy. There are just so many jobs out there for these people.

I really don't get this argument. If there were a loophole in the law that allowed people to forcefully enter homes in order to pitch their products and if this loophole created ten million jobs, I would still consider it a good thing if the loophole were slammed shut, even if it means that ten million people were out of a really obnoxious and invasive job during a weak economy.

Telemarketing isn't quite that bad, but it is manifestly causing a great amount of aggravation to a lot of people for the benefit of a relatively small number of people.