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(LA Times) Obvious Family puzzled that snowboarder died while wearing helmet, since everyone knows helmets grant the wearer complete invincibility in any activity   (latimesblogs.latimes.com) divider line 61
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2011-11-29 01:54:15 PM
They don't? Well, there goes my plans this evening.
 
2011-11-29 01:55:10 PM
Family members said they were puzzled about how she died given she was wearing a helmet.

Looks like it's time to go to phase 2.

www.parentingiseasy.com
 
2011-11-29 01:56:39 PM
BurnShrike

that works too, but I was thinking we should nerf the erf
 
2011-11-29 01:57:34 PM
Sounds like some of the family members should wear helmets when leaving the house.
 
2011-11-29 01:58:57 PM
I don't blame her, mountain high is such a small and crappy mountain that I would kill myself by running into a tree too
 
2011-11-29 01:59:01 PM
cgraves67: Sounds like some of the family members should wear helmets when leaving the house.

And ride a short bus.
 
2011-11-29 02:00:07 PM
I bet she wasn't wearing her seat belt at the time of the accident.
 
2011-11-29 02:00:27 PM
Wareing helmets hus prvnted mee form suffurring ane brian demmag.
 
2011-11-29 02:00:59 PM
I swear that at least 1 person dies at Mt High every year. None of the runs there even qualify as a diamond run but there are a few spots where if you're not careful you can end up hugging trees.
 
2011-11-29 02:01:57 PM
Yup, helmets don't make you invincible, but its still frustrating that people can be careful and still snuff it, while people who get drunk and break every safety rule can come out unscathed. Its just a numbers game, and safety gear just helps move the odds in your favor, but doesn't prevent the dice from coming up snake eyes.
 
2011-11-29 02:02:09 PM
helmets are just to catch your brains after they fall out. don't you guys know that?
 
2011-11-29 02:02:21 PM
That's stars that give invincibility, not helmets. Helmets do protect against most critical hits, though.
 
2011-11-29 02:03:01 PM
Sounds like my boy Raymond, he went down to the hardware store and bought a pair of dem safety garggles, well he put them garggles on and thought he'd go racing his pinto around the neighborhood like he was Mario Andrewski, well he took out a neighbors mail box and bumped his head and I'm here to tell ya that dem safety garggles weren't no safer than the man on the moon!

That's the best I could do, it just felt right to go into Roy D. Mercer mode for this story.
 
PJ-
2011-11-29 02:03:57 PM
Beginning snowboarder

Sorry, but isn't the proper way to say it 'beginner snowboarder'?
 
2011-11-29 02:04:16 PM
MadMonk: Sounds like my boy Raymond, he went down to the hardware store and bought a pair of dem safety garggles, well he put them garggles on and thought he'd go racing his pinto around the neighborhood like he was Mario Andrewski, well he took out a neighbors mail box and bumped his head and I'm here to tell ya that dem safety garggles weren't no safer than the man on the moon!

That's the best I could do, it just felt right to go into Roy D. Mercer mode for this story.


We all know that the goggles do nothing.
 
2011-11-29 02:06:43 PM
Freak accident for sure. A first timer on a board is almost certainly gonna lack the skillz to get enough speed to do serious damage to themselves. Everytime there is a serious injury or death at a Colorado resort the media always feels the need to comment on the helmet or lack thereof. Hitting a tree at 30 mph is gonna fark you up whether you are wearing a helmet or not.

//15+ years as a boarder, always wears a lid
 
2011-11-29 02:07:19 PM
MadMonk: Sounds like my boy Raymond, he went down to the hardware store and bought a pair of dem safety garggles, well he put them garggles on and thought he'd go racing his pinto around the neighborhood like he was Mario Andrewski, well he took out a neighbors mail box and bumped his head and I'm here to tell ya that dem safety garggles weren't no safer than the man on the moon!

That's the best I could do, it just felt right to go into Roy D. Mercer mode for this story.


Named a recent kitten to our house Chairman Meow aka Meow Tse Tung in honor of Roy D Mercer and his daughter's cat that was asphalted over.
 
2011-11-29 02:10:18 PM
She should have always worn a helmet. If I saw that girl like that, I'd hit it.
 
2011-11-29 02:10:45 PM
As a longtime boarder, I can tell you that helmets don't protect you from everything, but they do wonders for you if you smack your head against a box/rail/tree/whatever. Wear your lid. Sooner or later you'll be glad for it.

/got me a scarred up Ovo.
 
2011-11-29 02:14:22 PM
I'm really suspicious because the picture shows her in water with a Dolphin and without a helmet.
 
2011-11-29 02:17:19 PM
Given that out of control newbie boarders are usually the cause of most on-slope accidents, I'm surprised we don't just refer to helmeted boarders as "bullet sleds."



/I really hope this works...
 
2011-11-29 02:17:20 PM
If the helmet did not save her, maybe it was not adjusted right. Or maybe it was not the right kind of helmet for that type of activity.

Or, a tree branch stabbed her through the heart.
 
2011-11-29 02:17:27 PM
Can't remember the TV show I was watching (90% sure it was a comedy, and apparently a dark one at that) where a bunch of friends went to watch one of their friends go bungee jumping. And the dialogue for the jump goes something along the lines of "Wow, his helmet just popped right off." "He wasn't wearing a helmet..."
 
2011-11-29 02:18:38 PM
I'm really suspicious because the picture shows her in water with a Dolphin and without a helmet.

This.
 
2011-11-29 02:19:28 PM
How does someone die sitting in the middle of a slope listening to their ipod while waiting for their friends to take pictures of them getting "mad air" off a 6 inch mogul?
 
2011-11-29 02:20:39 PM
Translation: we are going to sue the living bejesus out of someone, we're just not sure who yet.
 
2011-11-29 02:21:39 PM
FORTUNATELY HIS HELMET WAS THROWN CLEAR AND NOT DAMAGED IN THE CRASH



/Right you are, Ken...
 
2011-11-29 02:24:45 PM
That Guy...From That Show!: I'm really suspicious because the picture shows her in water with a Dolphin and without a helmet.

No helmet?? She's lucky she didn't drown.
 
2011-11-29 02:25:48 PM
i know a girl who was killed by her helmet in a snowmobile accident.

she borrowed the helmet, it was way too big for her and she didn't put it on right. she also had never used that machine before, it was way too big and powerful for her and she didn't know the terrain where she was. None of that means that helmets are not good, but you need to look at safety in the big picture and not just rely on a magic bullet
 
2011-11-29 02:26:41 PM
Snowboarding or skiing seems to have the same risks as riding my quad off road, you have all the trees and pointy rocks and sticks. But when I rode, I wore all the gear, especially a chest/back protector, so this got me wondering where on her body she was injured, and if a chest/back protector would have kept her injuries non-life threatening. I once tried to go up a rocky hill, my chest/back protector saved me some internal injuries when I flipped backwards onto jagged rocks. I never noticed if snowboarders ever wear this protection since they are wearing coats.
 
2011-11-29 02:32:42 PM
PJ-: Beginning snowboarder

Sorry, but isn't the proper way to say it 'beginner snowboarder'?


"Finished snowboarder."
 
2011-11-29 02:34:44 PM
The son of one of my mothers friends died in a motorcycle accident despite wearing a helmet. Seems they don't protect you well if you go head-first into a tree at 45 mph.

/lasted long enough to be an organ donor.
 
2011-11-29 02:35:54 PM
Sorry that it happened. Being that the family is from California, they will be confused until the lawyer they hire puts it into perspective as to who will be sued then things become much clearer.
 
2011-11-29 02:37:14 PM
ddam: I swear that at least 1 person dies at Mt High every year. None of the runs there even qualify as a diamond run but there are a few spots where if you're not careful you can end up hugging trees.

Slopes turn people into hippies?
 
2011-11-29 02:45:38 PM
Came for the "Election" reference, leaving in a leg cast
 
2011-11-29 02:46:03 PM
rudemix: Named a recent kitten to our house Chairman Meow aka Meow Tse Tung in honor of Roy D Mercer and his daughter's cat that was asphalted over.

My friend named her cat that too. We usually just call him the Chairman though.
 
2011-11-29 02:47:11 PM
sonorangal: Sorry that it happened. Being that the family is from California, they will be confused until the lawyer they hire puts it into perspective as to who will be sued then things become much clearer.

There will be no lawsuit and even if there is they won't win it. Buying a ticket to a mountain resort waives any responsability that the resort has if there is an accident. That is unless gross negligence by the resort can be proven and unless the lift line broke because of poor maintenance I don't it happening.
 
2011-11-29 02:54:53 PM
Here she is, shortly before her death, riding to the slopes:

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2011-11-29 02:55:30 PM
Family members said they were puzzled about how she died given she was wearing a helmet.

And here we have the problem. Foamies have been promoted as "absolutely necessary", "will save your life", and "without it, you're an organ donor"

Not sure about 'board/ski helmets, but the testing standard for bike helmets is (CPSC in the US):
Reduce the peak acceleration to the head to below 300g in a 2 meter, or 1.2 meter fall. (new window)

2 meter fall.
Literally, standing still and falling over, hitting your head on the curb/rock/ice patch.

There is actually a very narrow range of impacts where "the helmet saved his life" is applicable. A slower impact, and the helmet prevented scrapes and maybe a concussion (not bad things to avoid!). But he would have lived.
A harder impact, or non-head, and you're toast anyway.

Mountain biking, I wear one. Useful for fending off tree limbs. An 8mph toddle down to the store? Probably not.
When I was a ski racer back in the dark ages, helmets were only required for some GS runs and downhill.

Today, anytime a child goes near anything faster than sneakers is required to wear a helmet.

And the helmet does nothing to prevent the accident in the first place!
 
2011-11-29 02:56:28 PM
ddam: sonorangal: Sorry that it happened. Being that the family is from California, they will be confused until the lawyer they hire puts it into perspective as to who will be sued then things become much clearer.

There will be no lawsuit and even if there is they won't win it. Buying a ticket to a mountain resort waives any responsability that the resort has if there is an accident. That is unless gross negligence by the resort can be proven and unless the lift line broke because of poor maintenance I don't it happening.


Buying a ticket does not waive any responsability the resort has, thats decided by lawyers & civil trials.
 
2011-11-29 02:59:51 PM
tlchwi02: None of that means that helmets are not good, but you need to look at safety in the big picture and not just rely on a magic bullet

Several kids have been killed when their helmets got caught on something and strangled them.
So, helmets will save your life, until they kill you.
 
2011-11-29 03:00:57 PM
Phoenix_M: ddam: sonorangal: Sorry that it happened. Being that the family is from California, they will be confused until the lawyer they hire puts it into perspective as to who will be sued then things become much clearer.

There will be no lawsuit and even if there is they won't win it. Buying a ticket to a mountain resort waives any responsability that the resort has if there is an accident. That is unless gross negligence by the resort can be proven and unless the lift line broke because of poor maintenance I don't it happening.

Buying a ticket does not waive any responsability the resort has, thats decided by lawyers & civil trials.


And, you know, waivers.
 
2011-11-29 03:07:38 PM
10 years, no helmet, no head injuries.
Now, my shoulders are another story....
 
2011-11-29 03:25:08 PM
She failed her "How in the hell are you still alive?" roll
 
2011-11-29 03:28:18 PM
Phoenix_M: ddam: sonorangal: Sorry that it happened. Being that the family is from California, they will be confused until the lawyer they hire puts it into perspective as to who will be sued then things become much clearer.

There will be no lawsuit and even if there is they won't win it. Buying a ticket to a mountain resort waives any responsability that the resort has if there is an accident. That is unless gross negligence by the resort can be proven and unless the lift line broke because of poor maintenance I don't it happening.

Buying a ticket does not waive any responsability the resort has, thats decided by lawyers & civil trials.


Yeah,umm, no. Read the waiver. that is needed to buy a ticket.
 
2011-11-29 03:34:08 PM
Phoenix_M: Buying a ticket does not waive any responsability the resort has, thats decided by lawyers & civil trials.

Read the Colorado Ski Safety Act sometime, then figure out how you'd go about suing a Colorado ski resort.
 
2011-11-29 03:35:59 PM
Eirik: The son of one of my mothers friends died in a motorcycle accident despite wearing a helmet. Seems they don't protect you well if you go head-first into a tree at 45 mph.

/lasted long enough to be an organ donor.


A friend's mother was an ER nurse. Apparently it is common lingo to refer to all motorcyclists as 'donors'.
 
2011-11-29 03:41:15 PM
FTFA : "It was a head-over-heels fall"

WTF does that mean? Is it one of those no value added phrases like "it is what it is?"

My head is over my heels right now. RIGHT NOW!!
 
2011-11-29 03:56:43 PM
sweater_pups: FTFA : "It was a head-over-heels fall"

WTF does that mean? Is it one of those no value added phrases like "it is what it is?"

My head is over my heels right now. RIGHT NOW!!


giggity
 
2011-11-29 03:57:56 PM
sweater_pups: FTFA : "It was a head-over-heels fall"

WTF does that mean? Is it one of those no value added phrases like "it is what it is?"

My head is over my heels right now. RIGHT NOW!!


Be careful! Hope you're wearing a helmet.
 
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