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some.old.lady. [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 12:07:50 PM
For some reason, this news brings with it the pleasant aura of schadenfreude.

/millionaire athletes' problems
 
cunning_linguist_dc [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 12:25:09 PM
wow. um, enjoy urumqi then, i guess ! when you get a weekend off, i recommend a trip out to shipton's arch. we'll see you when you get back.
 
GAT_00 [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 12:25:22 PM
Oh dear, you signed a contract that said you had to play the full season. Whine more.
 
Because People in power are Stupid [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 12:50:50 PM
They are in fact, located in secret Chinese labor camps making basketballs.
 
mitchcumstein1 [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 01:21:50 PM
Why are they douches? Because they wanted to play, and went to China to do it?

GAT_00: Oh dear, you signed a contract that said you had to play the full season. Whine more.

They're not whining, JR Smith is a crazy asshole, but he was crazy asshole when he went to China. The whole article is a what if.
 
basemetal [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 02:15:22 PM
Them's the breaks.
 
Comic Book Guy
2011-11-29 02:47:21 PM
some.old.lady.: For some reason, this news brings with it the pleasant aura of schadenfreude.

/millionaire athletes' problems

I'm catching a whiff of that too.

Hopefully Smith's got a well-padded bank account, the Chinese don't take well to prissyness like that.
 
Gunny Highway
2011-11-29 02:59:29 PM
Thems the breaks.
 
JohnAnnArbor
2011-11-29 03:01:34 PM
My headline was better.

/"He who sign contract, play basketball. He who break contract, play nothing"
 
BrosephStalin
2011-11-29 03:03:02 PM
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some clause in all those overseas contracts that allowed NBA players to opt out when the lockout was over? Was it only certain leagues that did it? Am I just horribly misinformed?
 
velvet_fog
2011-11-29 03:03:25 PM
NBA thread. Let me guess: a bunch of Farkers who claim they don't care about the NBA will go out of their way to tell us how much they don't care about the NBA, followed by the usual racist posts and half-baked criticism of timeouts, lack of physicality, lottery and reffing conspiracy theories, etc. Welcome to Fark.
 
Pratty
2011-11-29 03:05:35 PM
velvet_fog: NBA thread. Let me guess: a bunch of Farkers who claim they don't care about the NBA will go out of their way to tell us how much they don't care about the NBA, followed by the usual racist posts and half-baked criticism of timeouts, lack of physicality, lottery and reffing conspiracy theories, etc. Welcome to Fark.

Suprisingly no.

/Only problem here continues to be the amount of teams in the playoffs
 
Joed112784
2011-11-29 03:06:57 PM
So what, they are still making millions. Do you think they care?
 
ddam
2011-11-29 03:08:58 PM
BrosephStalin: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some clause in all those overseas contracts that allowed NBA players to opt out when the lockout was over? Was it only certain leagues that did it? Am I just horribly misinformed?

I'm sure that most contracts are like that but China stated that they will not allow that as part of any contract and if players want to play there they have to be aware that they will not be able to leave until the Chinese season was over.

Sidenote - I like that NBA is back (give me more options with betting) but I wish they would have waited a couple more weeks and Lamar Odom would have signed with that team in Turkey. Would love to see one of the Kardashians live in Turkey for a while.
 
Gunny Highway
2011-11-29 03:09:07 PM
Joed112784: So what, they are still making millions. Do you think they care?

Probably.
 
IAmRight [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 03:11:52 PM
Pratty: /Only problem here continues to be the amount of teams in the playoffs

Every winter sport has 16 teams in the playoffs.

Joed112784: So what, they are still making millions. Do you think they care?

I dunno, would you care if you moved to China with the expectation that you'd be back after something happened, then after that thing happened, you got stuck over there anyway?

They're making less than they would be, don't speak the local language, live in a more restrictive society (and some of them were considered loose cannons in America), have no family or friends there...yeah, it probably sucks for the most part.

/don't know why they would sign something that didn't have an NBA return clause.
 
fawlty
2011-11-29 03:11:59 PM
BrosephStalin: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some clause in all those overseas contracts that allowed NBA players to opt out when the lockout was over? Was it only certain leagues that did it? Am I just horribly misinformed?

I thought that at first, too, but apparently China did not go along with the program and the players agreed to play the entire season, so tuff ruck, Yankee. Can't believe these guys were dumb enough to sign full season deals in China for Chrissakes.
 
fawlty
2011-11-29 03:14:01 PM
IAmRight: if you moved to China with the expectation that you'd be back

But that's the issue, they shouldn't have had such an expectation if it was not expressed in their contracts, which, apparently it wasn't.
 
brap [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 03:20:03 PM
BrosephStalin: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some clause in all those overseas contracts that allowed NBA players to opt out when the lockout was over? Was it only certain leagues that did it? Am I just horribly misinformed?

I heard the same. All of them I have heard about had an opt-out option.
 
Ed_Severson
2011-11-29 03:20:24 PM
fawlty: But that's the issue, they shouldn't have had such an expectation if it was not expressed in their contracts, which, apparently it wasn't.

Maybe it was in Chinese?

IAmRight: Every winter sport has 16 teams in the playoffs.

Except for the 800-pound gorilla, the NFL. And if you play an 82-game regular season, you don't need 53% of your league in the playoffs. It's pointless.
 
HaywoodJablonski
2011-11-29 03:21:20 PM
IAmRight: Pratty: /Only problem here continues to be the amount of teams in the playoffs

Every winter sport has 16 teams in the playoffs.

Joed112784: So what, they are still making millions. Do you think they care?

I dunno, would you care if you moved to China with the expectation that you'd be back after something happened, then after that thing happened, you got stuck over there anyway?

They're making less than they would be, don't speak the local language, live in a more restrictive society (and some of them were considered loose cannons in America), have no family or friends there...yeah, it probably sucks for the most part.

/don't know why they would sign something that didn't have an NBA return clause.

Presumably you classify the NFL as a fall sport
 
GacysBasement
2011-11-29 03:21:26 PM
Rockout over? You sign contract! You pray here! You screwed! hahahaha.
 
chevydeuce
2011-11-29 03:23:43 PM
I believe the four players mentioned in TFA are free-agents...so they don't have previous contracts to return to....

other players that were/are under contract to a NBA team had out clauses with their overseas teams for when/if the NBA got rolling again...
 
ddam
2011-11-29 03:24:12 PM
brap: BrosephStalin: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some clause in all those overseas contracts that allowed NBA players to opt out when the lockout was over? Was it only certain leagues that did it? Am I just horribly misinformed?

I heard the same. All of them I have heard about had an opt-out option.

Except the ones that chose to play in China. Chinese league was very clear upfront: we'll pay you better but you must meet the following conditions: be a free agent and play the whole season otherwise you won't get the letter of release.
 
HaywoodJablonski
2011-11-29 03:24:42 PM
Ed_Severson: fawlty: But that's the issue, they shouldn't have had such an expectation if it was not expressed in their contracts, which, apparently it wasn't.

Maybe it was in Chinese?

IAmRight: Every winter sport has 16 teams in the playoffs.

Except for the 800-pound gorilla, the NFL. And if you play an 82-game regular season, you don't need 53% of your league in the playoffs. It's pointless.

Shhhh! You'll incur his baseless "single elimination" wrath since the NFL has the audacity to wrap up playoffs in a brisk 5 weeks
 
inclemency
2011-11-29 03:25:11 PM
They wanted to make money this year. And they will.

fark 'em.
 
Gunny Highway
2011-11-29 03:29:07 PM
HaywoodJablonski: Shhhh! You'll incur his baseless "single elimination" wrath since the NFL has the audacity to wrap up playoffs in a brisk 5 weeks

Do you think the NBA should have one and done playoff series?
 
Killer Cars
2011-11-29 03:32:23 PM
Hell, playing in a foreign country where you don't speak the language and don't know where the f*ck to go on weekend nights would more or less force a sense of financial responsibility where you bank damn near everything you earn since you're probably retiring to the hotel room and/or your apartment to play video games every night out of boredom and ignorance. It might do some good for an utter dingbat like JR Smith.
 
Gosling
2011-11-29 03:32:49 PM
Gunny Highway: HaywoodJablonski: Shhhh! You'll incur his baseless "single elimination" wrath since the NFL has the audacity to wrap up playoffs in a brisk 5 weeks

Do you think the NBA should have one and done playoff series?

Actually, I'd be totally down with that.
 
Iceberg659 [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 03:33:53 PM
JohnAnnArbor: My headline was better.

/"He who sign contract, play basketball. He who break contract, play nothing"

No it wasn't.

/They're both bad.
 
GacysBasement
2011-11-29 03:34:06 PM
Please be LeBron, please be Lebron, Please be Lebron.
/damn!
 
Ed_Severson
2011-11-29 03:34:55 PM
Gunny Highway: HaywoodJablonski: Shhhh! You'll incur his baseless "single elimination" wrath since the NFL has the audacity to wrap up playoffs in a brisk 5 weeks

Do you think the NBA should have one and done playoff series?

I don't think that's what he's getting at. I can't speak for him, but here's how I see it:

Sixteen teams is too many. An eight-team playoff format I can get behind. With sixteen, you end up with several teams in the playoffs who are pretty mediocre, and most of your mind-numbingly long regular season is irrelevant. And, there's absolutely no need for four consecutive seven-game playoff rounds.

Others will say that all those playoff games add to the excitement, and that the NFL's playoff system is flawed because one bad day sends you home.
 
fawlty
2011-11-29 03:36:39 PM
Ed_Severson: Maybe it was in Chinese?

Oh, I thought of that, but in the common law and I expect under Chinese law, doesn't matter. You signed it so you are presumed to have read and understood it. If you didn't, you shouldn't have signed. Also, I think, as someone else pointed out, the Chinese were clear up front that there would be no opt out. So fark 'em.
 
HaywoodJablonski
2011-11-29 03:38:59 PM
Gunny Highway: HaywoodJablonski: Shhhh! You'll incur his baseless "single elimination" wrath since the NFL has the audacity to wrap up playoffs in a brisk 5 weeks

Do you think the NBA should have one and done playoff series?

No, but apparently the choice is 4 rounds of 7-game series or single elimination. I don't know. Ask him to explain
 
Gunny Highway
2011-11-29 03:40:29 PM
Ed_Severson: And, there's absolutely no need for four consecutive seven-game playoff rounds.

I think the first round should go back to 5 games. Other than that I am fine with how long the regular season and playoffs are. I really like the NBA. More basketball the better. I am in the minority I know.

Would you guys really watch the NBA more if they cut out 20 regular season games?
 
Killer Cars
2011-11-29 03:44:30 PM
Gunny Highway: I think the first round should go back to 5 games.

If they do, FFS make sure Stern doesn't get his hairbrained idea again to have so much time in between games of the first round series for "TV reasons", where a 3-1 snore fest win for the #1 seed in the East over some bumblefark sub-500 team still takes two whole weeks to play out. I think it was two or three years ago they finally scrapped that inanity and actually fit 3 games in a series per week.
 
Ed_Severson
2011-11-29 03:44:55 PM
Gunny Highway: Would you guys really watch the NBA more if they cut out 20 regular season games?

I'd be more inclined to watch if they played a 58-game regular season -- each opponent home and away -- and then held an 8-team playoff of the best-of-5, best-of-7, best-of-7 variety. The bigger impediment, for me, is that the league is almost entirely 1-on-1 and 95% filled with guys who can't be bothered to play defense. But sure, a shorter regular season and condensed playoff format would raise my interest level.
 
monkwich
2011-11-29 03:48:49 PM
Iceberg659: JohnAnnArbor: My headline was better.

/"He who sign contract, play basketball. He who break contract, play nothing"

No it wasn't.

/They're both bad.

he forgot to include the last sentence:
"he who pay contract go pee pee in your coke"
/ got nothing
 
Communist_Manifesto [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 03:52:57 PM
I remember reading about how upset poor baby JR Smith was when he couldn't use his precious twitter in China. Apparently he doesn't realize different countries have different rules.
 
Mike_LowELL [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 04:03:18 PM
Ed_Severson: the league is almost entirely 1-on-1 and 95% filled with guys who can't be bothered to play defense

Next time I watch the Miami Heat play and see Chris Bosh (6'11) and Joel Anthony (6'9) repeatedly demonstrate the mobility to trap point guards off of high-screen/pick-and-roll situations, I'll think about your assertion that NBA players don't play defense.

Communist_Manifesto: I remember reading about how upset poor baby JR Smith was when he couldn't use his precious twitter in China. Apparently he doesn't realize different countries have different rules.

I'd have to admit that watching the United States government petition for the release of J.R. Smith would be one of the great political dramas of our lifetime.
 
pion
2011-11-29 04:03:30 PM
Gunny Highway: Ed_Severson: And, there's absolutely no need for four consecutive seven-game playoff rounds.

I think the first round should go back to 5 games. Other than that I am fine with how long the regular season and playoffs are. I really like the NBA. More basketball the better. I am in the minority I know.

Would you guys really watch the NBA more if they cut out 20 regular season games?

I watch the NBA playoffs. It helps my March Madness withdrawal, and anything's better than baseball.
 
Killer Cars
2011-11-29 04:05:14 PM
Mike_LowELL: I'd have to admit that watching the United States government petition for the release of J.R. Smith would be one of the great political dramas of our lifetime.

I'd laugh harder if the Denver Nuggets pony up a multi-million dollar "transfer fee" to the Chinese team to get JR Smith back in time for this season, then turn around and tell JR "that was part of your salary. You wanted to be home so bad, right?"
 
Gunny Highway
2011-11-29 04:06:05 PM
Ed_Severson: Gunny Highway: Would you guys really watch the NBA more if they cut out 20 regular season games?

I'd be more inclined to watch if they played a 58-game regular season -- each opponent home and away -- and then held an 8-team playoff of the best-of-5, best-of-7, best-of-7 variety. The bigger impediment, for me, is that the league is almost entirely 1-on-1 and 95% filled with guys who can't be bothered to play defense. But sure, a shorter regular season and condensed playoff format would raise my interest level.

I was not alive back then but did the crappy teams play great team ball back then?
 
IAmRight [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 04:10:29 PM
HaywoodJablonski: Presumably you classify the NFL as a fall sport

Winter starts Dec 22, officially, so the vast majority of the season is in fall, yes - if I'm limiting long seasons to one season, then I use college quarters, basically.

Gunny Highway: I think the first round should go back to 5 games. Other than that I am fine with how long the regular season and playoffs are. I really like the NBA. More basketball the better. I am in the minority I know.

Would you guys really watch the NBA more if they cut out 20 regular season games?

See, I'm going to like this year more, I think. I'd like a 60-game regular season and leave the playoffs how they are. But that's 22 fewer opportunities for revenue that really hits the non-playoff teams harder.
 
IAmRight [TotalFark]
2011-11-29 04:12:40 PM
fawlty: the Chinese were clear up front

Chinese sports teams are well-known for their honesty and directness.
 
Gunny Highway
2011-11-29 04:18:21 PM
IAmRight: See, I'm going to like this year more, I think. I'd like a 60-game regular season and leave the playoffs how they are. But that's 22 fewer opportunities for revenue that really hits the non-playoff teams harder.

That is it right there. Would fewer regular season games and fewer teams in the playoffs be better for the product? Probably but it isnt going to happen.

I like where the league is right now. Lots of young talent, interesting story lines, and more competitive teams than in a while. It should be a fun season.
 
bottsicus
2011-11-29 04:35:59 PM
ddam: BrosephStalin: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some clause in all those overseas contracts that allowed NBA players to opt out when the lockout was over? Was it only certain leagues that did it? Am I just horribly misinformed?

I'm sure that most contracts are like that but China stated that they will not allow that as part of any contract and if players want to play there they have to be aware that they will not be able to leave until the Chinese season was over.

Sidenote - I like that NBA is back (give me more options with betting) but I wish they would have waited a couple more weeks and Lamar Odom would have signed with that team in Turkey. Would love to see one of the Kardashians live in Turkey for a while.

And what if they do just up and leave China? What are they gonna do about it?
 
bentley57
2011-11-29 04:53:50 PM
Yay, communism!
 
Mercutio74
2011-11-29 05:01:36 PM
bottsicus: And what if they do just up and leave China? What are they gonna do about it?

Legally prevent them from playing in the NBA. Now of course the NBA could go to bat for them and tell FIBA to fark off, but is the NBA going to go to the mat for some no-name free agents who willingly entered into a contract that had language dealing with this exact situation?
 
ddam
2011-11-29 05:13:36 PM
bottsicus: ddam: BrosephStalin: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some clause in all those overseas contracts that allowed NBA players to opt out when the lockout was over? Was it only certain leagues that did it? Am I just horribly misinformed?

I'm sure that most contracts are like that but China stated that they will not allow that as part of any contract and if players want to play there they have to be aware that they will not be able to leave until the Chinese season was over.

Sidenote - I like that NBA is back (give me more options with betting) but I wish they would have waited a couple more weeks and Lamar Odom would have signed with that team in Turkey. Would love to see one of the Kardashians live in Turkey for a while.

And what if they do just up and leave China? What are they gonna do about it?

NBA is part of FIBA so without a release letter no NBA team is allowed to sign the players. If they leave China they lose the money they'd make (I believe all of them signed for about $3mil each) and still can't play till March.
 
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