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2011-11-29 09:12:56 AM
For those of you who don't want to click:

rightvoices.com

This will be spoken: "How could we have possibly lost to the worst President in modern history?"

A repeat of 2004.
 
2011-11-29 09:48:11 AM
Mitt Romney has 1 consistent principle.

He'll say anything if he thinks it'll get him closer to the big chair.
 
2011-11-29 09:48:46 AM
Mitt Romney is a principled conservative that voters can trust.
 
2011-11-29 10:46:59 AM
"This Administration does not want to campaign against Mitt Romney and be forced to defend three years of failure," national campaign co-chair Tim Pawlenty said. "Instead of focusing on the middle class and job creation, President Obama and Democrats are focused on campaigning and trying to tear down Mitt Romney."

So that's what happened to Pawlenty after he ended his campaign? He's spreading the manure for Romney now?
 
2011-11-29 10:48:15 AM
Mitt Romney kicks puppies.
 
2011-11-29 10:48:56 AM
Mitt Romney washed my dog and cleared its anal gland.
 
2011-11-29 10:55:45 AM
Alphax: So that's what happened to Pawlenty after he ended his campaign? He's spreading the manure for Romney now?

Shamelessly whoring for the Romney VP slot.
 
2011-11-29 10:56:47 AM
Alphax: "This Administration does not want to campaign against Mitt Romney and be forced to defend three years of failure," national campaign co-chair Tim Pawlenty said. "Instead of focusing on the middle class and job creation, President Obama and Democrats are focused on campaigning and trying to tear down Mitt Romney."

So that's what happened to Pawlenty after he ended his campaign? He's spreading the manure for Romney now?


Yeah. Tim "ObamneyCare" Pawlenty is hoping to be Romney's VP choice.
 
2011-11-29 10:58:18 AM
robmilmel: Shamelessly whoring for the Romney VP slot.

In the comments at TPM someone is saying that the current gov of Puerto Rico is a shoo-in for GOP VP. Talk about delusional.
 
2011-11-29 11:03:21 AM
what's amazing is the GOP trying to defend him against the very same line of attack they used against Kerry, when mittens's past is far more flip floppy then Kerry's ever was.
 
2011-11-29 11:04:47 AM
I have to admit, the "Mitt vs. Mitt" commercial was damn good.

Obama is far from perfect, but he'll have plenty to work with, regardless of who the GOP puts up against him next year. Gonna be an interesting election.
 
2011-11-29 11:07:14 AM
As is usually the case with US Presidential elections, it's going to come down to voting for the lesser of two evils.
 
2011-11-29 11:07:25 AM
Fark mitt

We need a real candidate, anyone but mitt, anyone but Obama
 
2011-11-29 11:08:21 AM
I don't think the GOP primary voters really want to win this election. If they did, they'd look at Huntsman as their best shot at unseating the President. Sure he's not crazy, but he is a politically experienced, well rounded, rock solid conservative with no personal issues who is probably the most qualified in the primary field to be President.

Instead the primary voters would rather nominate a sure loser thereby giving them the chance to blame Obama for all their troubles for 4 more years.
 
2011-11-29 11:12:45 AM
I still don't think it's a given that Romney wins the nomination. Right now he's trailing Newt rather badly in the polling aggregates even with the "Anyone but Romney" vote being split between Newt, Cain, Perry and Bachmann. Once those guys start bailing out after Iowa where are their voters going? Not Mitt. New Hampshire isn't going to singlehandedly decide the Republican Nomination. You would think after Obama vs. Hillary the media would have learned that cold, hard electoral math trumps media narratives of inevitability, but apparently not.
 
2011-11-29 11:21:35 AM
One other point to be made here. Freepers, TPers and general GOPers take note: Romney is the guy that the Dems are actually spending real-life money to make real-life campaign adds against.

So, at least for now, let's dispense with the whole "Running against Cain/RON PAUL/Gingrich is Obama's worst nightmare" nonsense, yes?
 
2011-11-29 11:24:08 AM
farkityfarker: As is usually the case with US Presidential elections, it's going to come down to voting for the lesser of two evils.

So vote Republican!
 
2011-11-29 11:31:13 AM
InmanRoshi: I still don't think it's a given that Romney wins the nomination. Right now he's trailing Newt rather badly in the polling aggregates even with the "Anyone but Romney" vote being split between Newt, Cain, Perry and Bachmann. Once those guys start bailing out after Iowa where are their voters going? Not Mitt. New Hampshire isn't going to singlehandedly decide the Republican Nomination. You would think after Obama vs. Hillary the media would have learned that cold, hard electoral math trumps media narratives of inevitability, but apparently not.

You don't think that Newt Gingrich is actually running for president, do you?

The man in on a Book Tour.
 
2011-11-29 11:37:24 AM
The Homer Tax: You don't think that Newt Gingrich is actually running for president, do you?

Yeah, Romney winning never made sense, except, ALL OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES SUCK HARDER.

It's funny every month when there's a new anti-Romney bubble, and it's laughable to even imagine that person winning. Perry was maybe the least ridiculous, but Bachmann? Cain?? Gingrich? How can people say they have a chance with a straight face?

What's funnier is that even as ludicrous as these candidates are, Ron Paul won't get a bubble. Ever.
 
2011-11-29 11:43:34 AM
The Homer Tax:
You don't think that Newt Gingrich is actually running for president, do you?

The man in on a Book Tour.


I think he's serious about it. And i think there's a very good chance of him winning in the primary. He needs somebody on the right like Palin or Huckabee to endorse him, and he'll have locked up conservatives as well.

In the end, it's going to be either

Romney / Huckabee (the delegates will demand a compassionate conservative as his VP)

Gingrich / Palin (or Huckabee) ... again for the same reason, the conservative delegates will want a conservative with their own values.

I think Gingrich / Palin would be the one most favored by Democrats. This will also be the pair that will flood the election with so much money (Gingrich brings in the lobbying money and Palin will bring in the conservative money) that i think if Obama wins, it will move the system to fix all the money that has flooded into the system.
 
2011-11-29 11:47:58 AM
Bacontastesgood: It's funny every month when there's a new anti-Romney bubble, and it's laughable to even imagine that person winning. Perry was maybe the least ridiculous, but Bachmann? Cain?? Gingrich? How can people say they have a chance with a straight face?

They can say it with a straight face because CONSERVATIVE WHITE VOTERS THAT MAKE UP THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE NOT VOTING FOR ROMNEY. I don't know why the media wont get it through their thick skulls. The fact that they keep shifting from ridiculous candidate to ridiculous candidate should be proof, but the punditry keep sticking their heads in the sand believing they'll eventually warm up to him. It's not happening. Romney isn't 2008 McCain, no matter how badly people want to shoehorn him into that role.
 
2011-11-29 11:53:28 AM
InmanRoshi: Bacontastesgood: It's funny every month when there's a new anti-Romney bubble, and it's laughable to even imagine that person winning. Perry was maybe the least ridiculous, but Bachmann? Cain?? Gingrich? How can people say they have a chance with a straight face?

They can say it with a straight face because CONSERVATIVE WHITE VOTERS THAT MAKE UP THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE NOT VOTING FOR ROMNEY. I don't know why the media wont get it through their thick skulls. The fact that they keep shifting from ridiculous candidate to ridiculous candidate should be proof, but the punditry keep sticking their heads in the sand believing they'll eventually warm up to him. It's not happening. Romney isn't 2008 McCain, no matter how badly people want to shoehorn him into that role.


Yet Romney is nearly the only one with actual campaign staff, isn't he? The others aren't even prepared to win the primary. It's like winning isn't even their goal.
 
2011-11-29 11:59:55 AM
Alphax: Yet Romney is nearly the only one with actual campaign staff, isn't he? The others aren't even prepared to win the primary. It's like winning isn't even their goal.

He has campaign staff. And if he gets the TeaParty/Conservative base, he'll most closely resembles the grassroots base of the GOP to provide the enthusiasm and the energy needed to fuel a primary caucus.

Meanwhile, is there such a thing as a Mitt Romney "true believer"?
 
2011-11-29 12:01:46 PM
InmanRoshi:
They can say it with a straight face because CONSERVATIVE WHITE VOTERS THAT MAKE UP THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE NOT VOTING FOR ROMNEY. I don't know why the media wont get it through their thick skulls. The fact that they keep shifting from ridiculous candidate to ridiculous candidate should be proof, but the punditry keep sticking their heads in the sand believing they'll eventually warm up to him. It's not happening. Romney isn't 2008 McCain, no matter how badly people want to shoehorn him into that role.


Conservatives didn't want McCain either, but he got them by selecting Palin as his VP. I think it's going to come down to a really messy delegate convention, and they're going to force Romney (or Gingrich) to select a conservative as the VP. Most likely it'll be Huckabee. He was a governor, religious, and was the last one standing with McCain in '08.
 
2011-11-29 12:09:51 PM
InmanRoshi: Alphax: Yet Romney is nearly the only one with actual campaign staff, isn't he? The others aren't even prepared to win the primary. It's like winning isn't even their goal.

He has campaign staff. And if he gets the TeaParty/Conservative base, he'll most closely resembles the grassroots base of the GOP to provide the enthusiasm and the energy needed to fuel a primary caucus.

Meanwhile, is there such a thing as a Mitt Romney "true believer"?


I thought they all packed up and quit last spring, when they figured out Newt cared more about book and DVD sales than campaigning.
 
2011-11-29 12:21:26 PM
InmanRoshi: I still don't think it's a given that Romney wins the nomination. Right now he's trailing Newt rather badly in the polling aggregates even with the "Anyone but Romney" vote being split between Newt, Cain, Perry and Bachmann. Once those guys start bailing out after Iowa where are their voters going? Not Mitt. New Hampshire isn't going to singlehandedly decide the Republican Nomination. You would think after Obama vs. Hillary the media would have learned that cold, hard electoral math trumps media narratives of inevitability, but apparently not.

Countering your point: McCain. Didn't have the base's support. His campaign was considered DOA at one point. Lo and behold the GOP realized that every other guy they had in the race wasn't going anywhere but the glue factory. The GOP is a rigid and traditional party. They will vote for the guy who has paid his dues and has earned "his turn." Romney has earned his turn.
 
2011-11-29 12:23:14 PM
hillbillypharmacist: For those of you who don't want to click:

[rightvoices.com image 200x200]

This will be spoken: "How could we have possibly lost to the worst President in modern history?"

A repeat of 2004.


Can you please tell me where the article linked to the ads? Without them, the article is worthless.
 
2011-11-29 12:30:17 PM
farkityfarker: it's going to come down to voting for the lesser of two evils.

Yup, and until the very Platonic form of American President becomes incarnated in flesh and blood on our fallen earth, that's how it's always going to be.
 
2011-11-29 12:32:10 PM
verbaltoxin: Countering your point: McCain. Didn't have the base's support. His campaign was considered DOA at one point. Lo and behold the GOP realized that every other guy they had in the race wasn't going anywhere but the glue factory. The GOP is a rigid and traditional party. They will vote for the guy who has paid his dues and has earned "his turn." Romney has earned his turn.

More to your point, the party machinery was firmly behind Romney at this point in 2008. He had raised more money than any other presidential candidate. He was leading in the polls in January 2008.

He didn't win the nomination because he finished 4th in New Hampshire and lost Florida to McCain, because ..... once again .... conservative white voters in the South hate Romney. More specifically, they don't like Northeastern Blueblooded Mormons who have a long track record of being quite liberal on social issues. Absolutely nothing has changed 4 years later.

If there's any comparisons between your analogy, it's between Newt and McCain. Both were given very little shot out of the gates by the media and the punditry (McCain was far from the "next in line" in 2008 ... if there was anyone who was "next in line" it was Guiliani). Both had a metric ton of pre-existing baggage. Both had trouble fundraising at the outset. Both had major shakeups in their campaign staffs out of the gate.
 
2011-11-29 12:36:18 PM
Alphax: I thought they all packed up and quit last spring, when they figured out Newt cared more about book and DVD sales than campaigning.

They packed it up last spring when Newt believed that in the new age of technology you could get by on social networking and new media rather than an old school big, bloated, expensive campaign staff. I don't think he's necesssarily wrong. Books sales are part of modern campaigning and getting your message out, and Dreams of My Father and Audacity of Hope were huge mediums for for Obama's messaging and campaigning in 2008.
 
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2011-11-29 12:38:34 PM
Antimatter: what's amazing is the GOP trying to defend him against the very same line of attack they used against Kerry, when mittens's past is far more flip floppy then Kerry's ever was.

And most of Kerry's position changes were because of new information. He didn't make major ideological swings.

Wasteland: Romney is the guy that the Dems are actually spending real-life money to make real-life campaign adds against.

The market has spoken.
 
2011-11-29 12:40:26 PM
InmanRoshi: They packed it up last spring when Newt believed that in the new age of technology you could get by on social networking and new media rather than an old school big, bloated, expensive campaign staff.

After Newt's bold come out in favor of child labor, I'm more convinced than ever he has no desire to be president.
 
2011-11-29 12:53:49 PM
bugontherug: InmanRoshi: They packed it up last spring when Newt believed that in the new age of technology you could get by on social networking and new media rather than an old school big, bloated, expensive campaign staff.

After Newt's bold come out in favor of child labor, I'm more convinced than ever he has no desire to be president.


You're assuming that stance would be widely rebuked by Republican Primary Voters.

I'm only being party factitious, but in reality I think the GOP conservative base, and at this point that's all that's left in the GOP tent, would take someone who is so unapologetically conservative they say decidedly non-mainstream things than a charlatan and political hack like Romney. Rightly or wrongly they believe they're still the "silent majority", and the 2008 butt kicking happened because they played too much to the middle.
 
2011-11-29 01:14:09 PM
How is this a preview of an election cycle that is already in progress?
 
2011-11-29 01:25:25 PM
28.media.tumblr.com

/see if the hotlink takes.
 
2011-11-29 02:01:57 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance

Mitt Romney is a principled conservative that voters can trust.


On the same day that Mitt Romney came under fire for lying in a campaign ad about a President Obama quote, he lied in a nationally televised debate about his first name. It's Willard.

His first campaign was a flagrant LIE!
 
2011-11-29 02:16:20 PM
I will be holding Obama on his pledge to run Republican's debate verbatim as his election ads.
 
2011-11-29 02:22:51 PM
Masso: I will be holding Obama on his pledge to run Republican's debate verbatim as his election ads.

I'm sure you will point to where this was made as an official pledge and not just a joke while reacting to the moronic blather coming from the debates.
 
2011-11-29 02:56:12 PM
 
2011-11-29 04:25:41 PM
Rann Xerox: Alphax: "This Administration does not want to campaign against Mitt Romney and be forced to defend three years of failure," national campaign co-chair Tim Pawlenty said. "Instead of focusing on the middle class and job creation, President Obama and Democrats are focused on campaigning and trying to tear down Mitt Romney."

So that's what happened to Pawlenty after he ended his campaign? He's spreading the manure for Romney now?

Yeah. Tim "ObamneyCare" Pawlenty is hoping to be Romney's VP choice.


Hey, it worked for George H.W. "Voodoo economics" Bush.
 
2011-11-29 05:59:41 PM
"Instead of focusing on the middle class and job creation, President Obama and Democrats are focused on campaigning and trying to tear down Mitt Romney."

Umm, this is Romney tearing Romney down. If you guys don't like it, then pull your heads out of your asses and figure out what the fark you are doing before you say shiat in public that will live forever. Obama won't have to say a damn negative thing about any of these head-up-ass jackholes.
 
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