Fat and stuid?

/dnrtfa

Hooray! Upgrades to the midsection!

Fat?

Drunk?

Stupid?

Bankrupt?

(checks)

Bankrupt.

phrawgh: Fat and stuid?

/dnrtfa

I suppose that could lead to bankruptcy also...

Merry Christmas employees of American Airlines!!!

Worst. Airline. Ever.

Too bad it isn't Chapter 7. Good riddance

YOu'd think billions in baggage fees alone would keep them afloat.

Doubleodoug: Merry Christmas employees of American Airlines!!!

This.

I imagine this is all just a guise to lower how much is being paid at the lowest end of the spectrum, continuing the growing divide...

I request we vote for a bailout.

reillan: Doubleodoug: Merry Christmas employees of American Airlines!!!

This.

I imagine this is all just a guise to lower how much is being paid at the lowest end of the spectrum, continuing the growing divide...

Yes, bankruptcy protection is definitely a way to pay flight attendants less, not to seek protection from rich creditors.

Not everything is a freaking conspiracy.

reillan: This.

I imagine this is all just a guise to lower how much is being paid at the lowest end of the spectrum, continuing the growing divide...


AA has the highest cost in the industry for pilots and flight attendants. The FA's have been threatening to strike for a couple years now as they want more money out of an airline that's not making a profit.

After 9/11 AA was the only major airline that didn't declare bankruptcy. So, this has been a long time coming.

sulco: I request we vote for a bailout.

is that where the headless chicken landed on the board?

I blame Thanksgiving.

You take a nice girl home to meet the family, Aunt Frieda won't shut up about her hysterectomy, you lose track of how many bottles of wine you've been drinking, you place a massive order for 460 new planes from Boeing. It's a stressful time of year to travel.

Can't say I'm at all surprised that AA is stumbling. I used to work in billing at an unnamed office equipment company and AA was one of my biggest clients. Thousands of copiers, fax machines, etc, and 99% of the time they had NO IDEA where any of them were. Their operations and asset tracking was always a giant clusterfark.Copier in Airport X is down? Well, there's a copier in Airport Y that's not being used much. Toss it in cargo on the next outgoing flight, no problem. Don't bother notifying anyone of the change of location on a $15,000 machine so that billing can be updated to the correct place and the lease manager can actually FIND the asset when the lease is up or anything... LET ALONE keeping the usage billing straight. And AA's corporate people generally didn't give a rat's ass about any of this and were singularly unhelpful when it came to any attempts to do an asset location audit... and then would use 'Well, we're not even sure you're billing the right equipment to the right regional centers because everything gets moved around so much' as an excuse to try and wiggle out of paying the bill.

cbackous: Xenolith: phrawgh: Fat and stuid?

/dnrtfa

I suppose that could lead to bankruptcy also...

cant even afford a "P" key.

tough times.

Wasn't room on the flight for the " " key.

I guess those $500 bag fees didn't pan out like they planned.

Aw, Heck.....too big to FAIL.....give'm all the money they want.

I was hoping US Airways was filing for bankruptcy. Worst airline ever. "Folks, we are going to be experiencing turbulence during the flight and I will not be able to serve drinks". I'm sure if the airline was charging $3 per diet coke, that stewardess would be pushing that cart as we plunged to our deaths in the Atlantic.
And would it kill them to have one farking plane leave on time?
I miss Southwest Airlines and wish they would fly out of the Roanoke, VA airport.

So offering shiatty service, that they continue to strip away, at an ever increasing nickel and dime cost is a bad business model? Who knew?

Walker: Horrible airline. They had removed a lot of seats to give people more legroom, then they said "F*ck it, we need more money, screw the customers" and they put all the seats all back in. As a tall person this does not make me want to fly with them.

They're in the business to make money. They tried "more leg room throughout coach", it didn't increase business. So, they put everything back the way it was. How exactly is that screwing you? Your only other option is to fly united and hope one of the economy+ seats isn't taken so you can pay $25/flight extra for the seat.

Well, I'm flying home for Christmas on American Airlines. I hope this news won't affect my future plans of travel.

If they wanted to be really American, they should have 5-10 times their net worth in student loan debt that can't be bankrupted.

ghostwind: sulco: I request we vote for a bailout.

is that where the headless chicken landed on the board?

I just butchered 28 chickens a couple weekends ago.. I think I just found my next money raising opportunity when I take the next flock to Stump Camp!

Squares start at $2 each; winner to collect 50% of the collected funds. Tickets are limited.

im very hungry now.

They finally got bigger seats?

tpk2002: Worst. Airline. Ever.

Apparently you've never flown Air Canada. Imagine American Airlines, except with a de facto monopoly and voila...Air Canada.

AMR said American Airlines, American Eagle and all other subsidiaries will honor all tickets and reservations and operate normal flight schedules during the bankruptcy filing process, using its $4.1 billion in cash.

and they're broke

The airline also announced that Gerard Arpey, its chairman and CEO, is retiring. He is being succeeded by Thomas Horton, who was named president of the company in July 2010.

One might have thought, reasonably, that the airline was going tits-up and would have no need for another chairman but evidently not.

In an interview with CNN Tuesday after the filing, Horton insisted that American customers should see "business as usual" in spite of the bankruptcy. But he said that the cost disadvantage for American compared to other major U.S. carriers that have already gone though bankruptcies of their own since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks left it no choice.

So this is a choice not an" unfortunate development"

"Folks at American have worked very hard and honorably to avoid that path over the last decade, but it became clear that gap had become too wide now, it had become untenable, and it was time to turn the page," he said.

Far too much in bonus payouts at the top is what it looks like if you stroll through their 10k.
Obviously I know nothing about business - I would have thought they were going out of business. Far from it. They are "re-organizing" which as I understand it means they are going to stiff all their creditors and just keep doing what they've been doing. Well, except for golden boy there whose ready to hit the silk.

I'm guessing that regardless of bankruptcy, executive bonuses will proceed as planned.

There are a lot of implications to this: retirement plans for the pilots and FAs will end up in the Pension Benefit Guarantee Fund, so it will cost you and me some cash. Also: lower salaries for workers + slashing of routes. Don't be surprised to see AA give up certain hubs -- like Boston, where Jet Blue has been beating their brains out.

American has an old fleet and a motley mix of everything made, from MD-80s to the newest Boeing equipment.

As old Bob Crandall said, "This is not an appropriate investment. It's a great place to work and it's a great company that does important work. But airlines are not an investment."

Not good for Tulsa.

Marcintosh: left it no choice.

So this is a choice

I don't think you know what "no choice" means.

ohknaks: reillan: This.

I imagine this is all just a guise to lower how much is being paid at the lowest end of the spectrum, continuing the growing divide...


AA has the highest cost in the industry for pilots and flight attendants. The FA's have been threatening to strike for a couple years now as they want more money out of an airline that's not making a profit.

After 9/11 AA was the only major airline that didn't declare bankruptcy. So, this has been a long time coming.

Ironically, it's the TSA hurting ticket sales, since they serve pretty close to exclusively cities that have Amtrak service domestically.

does this mean no peanuts for me on my friday flight?

tpk2002: Worst. Airline. Ever.

Not even close. Spirit takes that race by a country mile.

DubyaHater: I miss Southwest Airlines and wish they would fly out of the Roanoke, VA airport.

Well, maybe if Roanoke was kinder to the natives...

coinspinner: tpk2002: Worst. Airline. Ever.

Not even close. Spirit takes that race by a country mile.

Never had a problem with Spirit myself, but from other reports...you are probably right. At least they don't disguise themselves as a premier airline.

Baloo Uriza: ohknaks: reillan: This.

I imagine this is all just a guise to lower how much is being paid at the lowest end of the spectrum, continuing the growing divide...


AA has the highest cost in the industry for pilots and flight attendants. The FA's have been threatening to strike for a couple years now as they want more money out of an airline that's not making a profit.

After 9/11 AA was the only major airline that didn't declare bankruptcy. So, this has been a long time coming.

Ironically, it's the TSA hurting ticket sales, since they serve pretty close to exclusively cities that have Amtrak service domestically.

That might hurt american eagle, but anything long haul isn't going to see much if any of a drop. AA's locations are mostly in cities that are served by UA pretty heavily (DFW excluded) and UA is doing quite a bit better.

Hooray! Another liberal success. It seems that this company is going down because of ....gasp...UNIONS!!! Is there any liberal policy that doesn't destroy society? I am actually curious at this point.

lordaction: Hooray! Another liberal success. It seems that this company is going down because of ....gasp...UNIONS!!! Is there any liberal policy that doesn't destroy society? I am actually curious at this point.

0/10. You're not even trying.

cbackous: clancifer: I'm guessing that regardless of bankruptcy, executive bonuses will proceed as planned.

It's the American way.

yeah.. shame on them honoring their contractual obligations.

Not sure if serious.jpg

Hasn't this happened before?