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(Telegraph)   "Where are the great movies?" asks the director of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 186
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2011-11-28 05:10:34 PM  
I saw Schindler's List. It wasn't funny.
 
2011-11-28 05:19:57 PM  

DamnYankees: Great movies are made every single year. Just look for them. Sometimes they are small, indie movies and sometimes they are blockbusters. But they are there as they ever have been.


Precisely. And despite Spielberg's recent missteps,I want to believe that the man's still capable of helming thrilling flicks.
 
2011-11-28 05:21:12 PM  

Langston: Two main reasons. First, the big studios are a bit gun-shy of losing their asses. Make a big enough bomb, and it can bankrupt your entire studio. After some big flops, a lot of them now want to maximize profits and they do that with a carefully selected handful of movies year in and year out. It's cynical, but it's keeping them in business. They can tell you the percentage of people that will attend a sequel just because they like the first movie. The studios can also tell you the percentage of profit increase that a film will earn if it gets NC-17 rating instead of an R rating. It's a science they've perfected and have winnowed down to a formula.

The other issue is the public at large. The studios put out a few big budget movies and a lot fewer small budget films because the studios have learned what we like, and most of what we like is crap. A few big-budget epics every year with a well-defined male/female dynamic, a couple low-rent films targeting the 16-24 crowd in which the cast of characters are always high school seniors, sprinkled in with a few sleepers that did well at film festivals and are getting a wider release. Americans like spotless heroes and easy to spot villains and a tidy resolution that ends with Happily Ever After. Are they gonna play The Raid in the United States in wide release? Probably not because some of the violence is graphic and parts of it may be offensive to American sensibilities.


I am having a hard time thinking of anything like this doing well recently.
 
2011-11-28 05:23:16 PM  

DamnYankees: Sybarite: DamnYankees: Lando Lincoln: There was that War of the Worlds remake that was...oh, yeah, that sucked donkey balls. Who was the director of that one again? That guy should have been fired.

That was an excellent, excellent movie with one fatal flaw (the stupid son thing). But otherwise, brilliantly made movie.

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Lando Lincoln: DamnYankees: Lando Lincoln: There was that War of the Worlds remake that was...oh, yeah, that sucked donkey balls. Who was the director of that one again? That guy should have been fired.

That was an excellent, excellent movie with one fatal flaw (the stupid son thing). But otherwise, brilliantly made movie.

You are out of your freaking mind.

I don;t know what to say. The movie itself is not amazing, but the craftsmanship really is. Spielberg knows how to tell stories.


One might even say, Amazing Stories.
 
2011-11-28 05:26:13 PM  

dryknife: I saw Schindler's List. It wasn't funny.


That gag where he claims two people were worth the price of a pin was a hoot.
 
2011-11-28 05:28:26 PM  

Fano: dryknife: I saw Schindler's List. It wasn't funny.

That gag where he claims two people were worth the price of a pin was a hoot.


Well, not Crystal Skull funny, but still...
 
2011-11-28 05:29:35 PM  

hitchking: What is this, the annual meeting of the Directors Guild of America?

Take it easy, guys. Here's what he said:

"There's not a lot of films I'd watch that are made over the past 20 years, because I'm much more of a romantic. I like to go way back to the source. I look at a lot of silent movies for inspiration because they're all told visually and they're all told with hyper-extended performance and with wonderful use of a frame. It's a way of getting my engine started."

And then he criticized how movies are funded.

OMGWTF!


So he likes exposition to be provided by title cards?
 
2011-11-28 05:29:50 PM  

dopeydwarf: Oh yeah, Munich was definitely great. It's a grim one which is why I think a lot of people wouldn't do repeat viewings, but I was on the edge of my seat throughout it.


Munich is a farking fantastic film. Even if you're already familiar with the events, the suspense/intrigue is top-notch. Actors, script, and subject matter all combined to make one hell of a film. It's why you can forgive the occasional turd he charges admission for.

Some claim that it was too lopsided, politically, but I thought it did a decent job of promoting discussion moreso than preaching.
 
2011-11-28 05:30:15 PM  
I can think of 4 magnificent movies that are very recent. I of course am speaking of the premiere love story for this generation: The Twilight Saga. You would really be hard pressed to find a better crafted movie from any era.
 
2011-11-28 05:30:41 PM  
The demographic that goes to the movies is mostly enthralled with Harry Potter and Twilight these days.
 
2011-11-28 05:30:54 PM  

Fano: Amazing Stories


We could always use more anthology shows on television. The only problem is that in the most recent incarnations have just been re-doing classic scripts instead of actually coming up with something new.
 
2011-11-28 05:31:50 PM  

edmo: The demographic that goes to the movies is mostly enthralled with Harry Potter and Twilight these days.


The Harry Potter movies are at least pretty decent, there's no shame in liking those.
 
2011-11-28 05:35:16 PM  

DamnYankees: edmo: The demographic that goes to the movies is mostly enthralled with Harry Potter and Twilight these days.

The Harry Potter movies are at least pretty decent, there's no shame in liking those.


QFT.
 
2011-11-28 05:35:29 PM  
Impressive Fark.

I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.

Then I remember I was on Fark.

I bow to you, oh Trolls of Fark. Ya had me for a minute.
 
2011-11-28 05:38:47 PM  

edmo: The demographic that goes to the movies is mostly enthralled with Harry Potter and Twilight these days.


Harry Potter is decent entertainment. Link (new window)Twilight is something entirely different.Link (new window)
 
2011-11-28 05:39:09 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Impressive Fark.

I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.

Then I remember I was on Fark.

I bow to you, oh Trolls of Fark. Ya had me for a minute.


From a bottom line, revenue producing director, he is impressive. But so is James Cameron and, deity of choice help us, Michael Bay.
 
2011-11-28 05:40:05 PM  

simplicimus: Jim from Saint Paul: Impressive Fark.

I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.

Then I remember I was on Fark.

I bow to you, oh Trolls of Fark. Ya had me for a minute.

From a bottom line, revenue producing director, he is impressive. But so is James Cameron and, deity of choice help us, Michael Bay.


Must... not... feed.... troll.... michael...bay...comparison....
 
2011-11-28 05:44:34 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.


Is this some kind of reverse trolling attempt? Who here is saying that Spielberg is a shiatty director that's never made a good movie?

Spielberg's made a goodly amount of really great movies. Schlindler's List is my favorite movie of all time. But he's also made some not very good at all movies.
 
2011-11-28 05:45:42 PM  

simplicimus: But so is James Cameron and, deity of choice help us, Michael Bay.


James Cameron has made some damn good movies.

Michael Bay is a hack, but he's good at making what he makes: loud, stupid, entertaining movies you have to put zero thought in to, and there is a place for that. Not everything has to be Munich or Schindler's List.
 
2011-11-28 05:51:32 PM  

mitchcumstein1: simplicimus: But so is James Cameron and, deity of choice help us, Michael Bay.

James Cameron has made some damn good movies.

Michael Bay is a hack, but he's good at making what he makes: loud, stupid, entertaining movies you have to put zero thought in to, and there is a place for that. Not everything has to be Munich or Schindler's List.


I consider Bay as Ed Woods with a budget. But the bottom line is the bottom line. They don't call it Show Business for nor reason.
 
2011-11-28 05:56:18 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Impressive Fark.

I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.

Then I remember I was on Fark.

I bow to you, oh Trolls of Fark. Ya had me for a minute.



hahahahha.
holy shiatballs. top 5 money making maybe. certainly not top 5 exceptional film makers
 
2011-11-28 05:58:47 PM  

Vigorous_Apathy: No good films made in the last two decades...

So when did that PG13 rubbish start, exactly?


Red Dawn was the first PG-13 movie IIRC. So its been around a while
 
2011-11-28 06:01:39 PM  
mitchcumstein1:
I think Jurassic Park has aged fantastically. The CGI still looks plausible today almost 20 years on. Hell, it looks more realistic than half the shiat in the Star Wars prequels.

There are probably more model effects in any 5 minutes of Jurassic Park than in the entire Star Wars prequel trilogy. That's why it still looks good. That's why the original trilogy would still be vastly superior even if the story, acting, and directing weren't also vastly superior to the prequels.

And to throw another point of comparison out there, the scene in Fellowship of the Ring where they're hauling ass through Moria always looks incredibly fake to me, moreso on TV, like cartoon running. I don't know whether it was just moviemaking laziness (can't do a few takes of wide shots of the different characters running in all those months of principal photography?) or just bad CGI.


/can highly recommend The Muppets, even if the theater did get terribly dusty at times
//also enjoyed Hugo (in 3D), despite not really knowing what to expect
 
2011-11-28 06:02:09 PM  

groppet: Vigorous_Apathy: No good films made in the last two decades...

So when did that PG13 rubbish start, exactly?

Red Dawn was the first PG-13 movie IIRC. So its been around a while


I think Scorsese made a film or two in the last two decades. And that Tarantino guy maybe made a film.
 
2011-11-28 06:04:06 PM  

groppet: Red Dawn was the first PG-13 movie IIRC. So its been around a while


and Spielberg thought the idea up to begin with
 
2011-11-28 06:04:21 PM  

groppet: Vigorous_Apathy: No good films made in the last two decades...

So when did that PG13 rubbish start, exactly?

Red Dawn was the first PG-13 movie IIRC. So its been around a while


We have PG-13 because of Speilberg I think is the point of his comment. Temple of Doom and Gremlins, and he actually kind of suggested the it.
 
2011-11-28 06:05:59 PM  

jdjoker: And to throw another point of comparison out there, the scene in Fellowship of the Ring where they're hauling ass through Moria always looks incredibly fake to me, moreso on TV, like cartoon running. I don't know whether it was just moviemaking laziness (can't do a few takes of wide shots of the different characters running in all those months of principal photography?) or just bad CGI.


The sad part of that is that, IMO, that piece of music - when they first discover Dwarrowdelf - might be the most beautiful piece of the entire trilogy.
 
2011-11-28 06:06:05 PM  
Harmony Korine is my favorite director.



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Fark Spewburg
 
2011-11-28 06:10:05 PM  
1) I watched a big chunk of IJ&TTOTCS on Friday just to see the part where he uses a fridge as protection against a nuke and darn it! I missed it again.

2) I watched it on a Sony HD and I gottatellya the picture was so clear it was almost hyper-real; in fact, much of the film looked like a video game.
 
2011-11-28 06:11:03 PM  

DamnYankees: Lando Lincoln: There was that War of the Worlds remake that was...oh, yeah, that sucked donkey balls. Who was the director of that one again? That guy should have been fired.

That was an excellent, excellent movie with one fatal flaw (the stupid son thing). But otherwise, brilliantly made movie.


That movie was such a steaming pile of dog shiat, the only reason I even remember it is because it was so terrible that my friend ripped two of the loudest farts I have ever heard to this day and had the whole theater laughing.
 
2011-11-28 06:12:12 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Jim from Saint Paul: Impressive Fark.

I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.

Then I remember I was on Fark.

I bow to you, oh Trolls of Fark. Ya had me for a minute.


hahahahha.
holy shiatballs. top 5 money making maybe. certainly not top 5 exceptional film makers


Can I have 2 or 3 people you consider better so I can understand where you're coming from then?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Lando Lincoln:
Who here is saying that Spielberg is a shiatty director

kronicfeld: I would ask you the same thing, guy-whose-name-was-associated-with-Super-8.


Lando Lincoln: There was that War of the Worlds remake that was...oh, yeah, that sucked donkey balls. Who was the director of that one again? That guy should have been fired.


coco ebert: Most overrated director ever.


So you and a couple of other dudes?

I mean, if you think he isn't shiatty, then there ya go. When the first thing people post are a guy's failures that means I am on Fark and these people could possibly mean it. All I have to go on is what you tell me.
 
2011-11-28 06:14:42 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Impressive Fark.

I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.

Then I remember I was on Fark.

I bow to you, oh Trolls of Fark. Ya had me for a minute.



blogs.villagevoice.com
 
2011-11-28 06:17:26 PM  

dopeydwarf: DamnYankees: dopeydwarf: There have been great movies made over the past couple decades, it's just that Spielberg hasn't made one in a while so he thinks they don't exist. Stevey, watch a good Woody Allen movie and see how it's done. I really love Match Point. Midnight in Paris was pretty damn good too and both were made within the last decade.

Depending how broadly we are defining "great", I think Munich would count as a great movie. It's not an all timer, but if by "great" we mean something like 25 or 50 best of a decade, then Munich would count to me.


Oh yeah, Munich was definitely great. It's a grim one which is why I think a lot of people wouldn't do repeat viewings, but I was on the edge of my seat throughout it.


Go see 'The Debt' with Helen MIrren. Filmed 2-3 years ago and released a few months back.

Better than Munich and I own Munich.

DamnYankees: Lando Lincoln: There was that War of the Worlds remake that was...oh, yeah, that sucked donkey balls. Who was the director of that one again? That guy should have been fired.

That was an excellent, excellent movie with one fatal flaw (the stupid son thing). But otherwise, brilliantly made movie.


Ah, no, it wasn't.
 
2011-11-28 06:20:51 PM  

mitchcumstein1: dopeydwarf: mitchcumstein1: dopeydwarf: mitchcumstein1: dopeydwarf: mitchcumstein1: DamnYankees:

You dare discount Match Point? For shame.

That would be a hit. Cassandra' Dream, for example would be a miss. Scoop would be an abortion.


You shan't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Not saying you should, but to saying that Speilberg should go to Woody Allen to better know how to make an entertaining film is crazy talk.

I think Jurassic Park has aged fantastically. The CGI still looks plausible today almost 20 years on. Hell, it looks more realistic than half the shiat in the Star Wars prequels.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Saving Private Ryan.



You're going on about the CGI when I'm talking about the story. The story hasn't aged well and is, at best, just a popcorn flick.
 
2011-11-28 06:21:07 PM  

douchebag/hater: dopeydwarf: DamnYankees: dopeydwarf: There have been great movies made over the past couple decades, it's just that Spielberg hasn't made one in a while so he thinks they don't exist. Stevey, watch a good Woody Allen movie and see how it's done. I really love Match Point. Midnight in Paris was pretty damn good too and both were made within the last decade.

Depending how broadly we are defining "great", I think Munich would count as a great movie. It's not an all timer, but if by "great" we mean something like 25 or 50 best of a decade, then Munich would count to me.


Oh yeah, Munich was definitely great. It's a grim one which is why I think a lot of people wouldn't do repeat viewings, but I was on the edge of my seat throughout it.

Go see 'The Debt' with Helen MIrren. Filmed 2-3 years ago and released a few months back.

Better than Munich and I own Munich.

DamnYankees: Lando Lincoln: There was that War of the Worlds remake that was...oh, yeah, that sucked donkey balls. Who was the director of that one again? That guy should have been fired.

That was an excellent, excellent movie with one fatal flaw (the stupid son thing). But otherwise, brilliantly made movie.

Ah, no, it wasn't.


Gotta chime in. No, it wasn't. Abandoned plot lines all over the place.
 
2011-11-28 06:27:16 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Can I have 2 or 3 people you consider better so I can understand where you're coming from then?



Lang
Hitchcock
Kurosawa
Clouzot
Bergman
Leone
Kubrick
Tarkovsy
Scorsese
.... to name a few
 
2011-11-28 06:30:33 PM  

jdjoker: And to throw another point of comparison out there, the scene in Fellowship of the Ring where they're hauling ass through Moria always looks incredibly fake to me, moreso on TV, like cartoon running. I don't know whether it was just moviemaking laziness (can't do a few takes of wide shots of the different characters running in all those months of principal photography?) or just bad CGI.


I know exactly what you're talking about. It reminded me of those crappy auto-generated dungeons from Oblivion that all looked the same.

douchebag/hater: DamnYankees: Lando Lincoln: There was that War of the Worlds remake that was...oh, yeah, that sucked donkey balls. Who was the director of that one again? That guy should have been fired.

That was an excellent, excellent movie with one fatal flaw (the stupid son thing). But otherwise, brilliantly made movie.

Ah, no, it wasn't.


I will say the only good thing I remember from that movie was the noise the alien walkers made when they first appear. It was one of the scariest noises I'd heard (like thousands of cars being crushed together) and I was pretty impressed by that. Then Dakota Fanning started screaming, and that became the scariest noise I'd ever heard (and not in a cool way).
 
2011-11-28 06:31:14 PM  
what no A2A scene from Requiem?

/spellcheck
 
2011-11-28 06:32:41 PM  
anyone who thinks that Spielberg isn't one of the greatest directors of the last four decades is, without any shadow of a doubt, a complete farking retard.

that having been said, his comments are almost inconceivably hypocritical. please reference the south park, raping of indiana jones, post above. that is, without a doubt, a complete example of everything that spielberg laments. on it's own, it is a shiatty movie. in the context of the series, it is an abomination.

kudos to spielberg for the majority of his resume. shame on him for the utter hypocrisy of that interview.
 
2011-11-28 06:33:22 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Can I have 2 or 3 people you consider better so I can understand where you're coming from then?


Jim from Saint Paul: Can I have 2 or 3 people you consider better so I can understand where you're coming from then?



Lang
Hitchcock
Kurosawa
Clouzot
Bergman
Lumet
Leone
Kubrick
Tarkovsy
Scorsese
Kieslowski
.... to name a few hell, I'd even start factoring in real yo-yo career guys like Friedkin, Polanski, the Cohens, etc...
 
2011-11-28 06:34:05 PM  
ehhh, farking site or my ISP timed out, and I ended up with an incomplete double post.
sorry
 
2011-11-28 06:34:13 PM  

dopeydwarf: Jim from Saint Paul: Impressive Fark.

I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.

Then I remember I was on Fark.

I bow to you, oh Trolls of Fark. Ya had me for a minute.


[blogs.villagevoice.com image 225x209]


How does one rate the best directors of all time?
 
2011-11-28 06:37:05 PM  

Mangoose: dopeydwarf: Jim from Saint Paul: Impressive Fark.

I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.

Then I remember I was on Fark.

I bow to you, oh Trolls of Fark. Ya had me for a minute.


[blogs.villagevoice.com image 225x209]

How does one rate the best directors of all time?


Simple. Do you remember the film 5 years later?
 
2011-11-28 06:38:23 PM  

dopeydwarf: mitchcumstein1: dopeydwarf: mitchcumstein1: dopeydwarf: mitchcumstein1: dopeydwarf: mitchcumstein1: DamnYankees:

You dare discount Match Point? For shame.

That would be a hit. Cassandra' Dream, for example would be a miss. Scoop would be an abortion.


You shan't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Not saying you should, but to saying that Speilberg should go to Woody Allen to better know how to make an entertaining film is crazy talk.

I think Jurassic Park has aged fantastically. The CGI still looks plausible today almost 20 years on. Hell, it looks more realistic than half the shiat in the Star Wars prequels.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Saving Private Ryan.


You're going on about the CGI when I'm talking about the story. The story hasn't aged well and is, at best, just a popcorn flick.


Well, since the stars of the movie really are the dinosaurs I would say that CGI was fairly important. When you say it ages badly that's what I think you mean, that story is kind of timeless. Two little kids get to hang out with dinosaurs and get rescued by Sam Neill and Jeff Goldblum when things go badly? How the fark doesn't age well? It was always a popcorn flick, what deeper meaning where you looking for in a movie about bringing dinosaurs back to life?
 
2011-11-28 06:39:28 PM  

kronicfeld: I would ask you the same thing, guy-whose-name-was-associated-with-Super-8.


Hey, I liked Super 8!
 
2011-11-28 07:01:43 PM  

Mangoose: dopeydwarf: Jim from Saint Paul: Impressive Fark.

I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.

Then I remember I was on Fark.

I bow to you, oh Trolls of Fark. Ya had me for a minute.


[blogs.villagevoice.com image 225x209]

How does one rate the best directors of all time?


By height?
 
2011-11-28 07:02:19 PM  
i151.photobucket.com
Watched this other night. I don't want you to have nice things
 
2011-11-28 07:06:07 PM  

Fano: Mangoose: dopeydwarf: Jim from Saint Paul: Impressive Fark.

I was completely bewildered and idignant that a group of people could rip Steven frickin Spielberg as a director/producer. That even if he did make some movies they don't like that they couldn't see he is a top 5 director in the history of movie making.

Then I remember I was on Fark.

I bow to you, oh Trolls of Fark. Ya had me for a minute.


[blogs.villagevoice.com image 225x209]

How does one rate the best directors of all time?

By height?


By Fark memes.
 
2011-11-28 07:14:37 PM  
turn your TV Steve, it's where great stuff is happening now

wgtccdn.wegotthiscovered.netdna-cdn.com
 
2011-11-28 07:17:43 PM  
Spielberg as a director in theaters, ratings from Rotten Tomatoes
100 - Jaws (1975)
98 - E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
97 - Schindler's List (1993)
96 - Catch Me If You Can (2002)
95 - Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
94 - Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
93 - Saving Private Ryan (1998)
92 - The Sugarland Express (1974)
92 - Minority Report (2002)
89 - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
89 - Jurassic Park (1993)
88 - The Color Purple (1985)
86 - The Adventures of Tintin (2011)
85 - Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
81 - Empire of the Sun (1987)
78 - Munich (2005)
77 - Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)
76 - Amistad (1997)
74 - War of the Worlds (2005)
73 - A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001)
61 - Always (1989)
60 - The Terminal (2004)
52 - The Lost World - Jurassic Park (1997)
33 - 1941 (1979)
29 - Hook (1991)

Suck it, haters. He has obviously made some crap, but the great far, far, outweighs it.
 
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