Oh Jon:

Just club a baby seal or piss on a gay, if by tomorrow you don't leap in the polls, just get out of the fray.

Bashing yourself repeatedly in the head with a blunt object might help too. Brain damage seems to be mandatory to be a GOP frontrunner.

Sad that this guy got so much attention while Gary Johnson who usually polled better wasn't even invited to the debates.

A Repub who expressed faith in reason and the scientific method? He was doomed from the start.

Subby isn't being entirely truthful. Huntsman isn't banking everything on N.H.(he knows Mitt will probably take the lion's share of the votes due to his 2008 canpaign), he just wants to perform better than the "market expectations." He plans on staying around for the long haul to present voters with a viable alternative to the boomlet candidates that rise and fall in the polls. Mitt Romney is detestable and GOP voters will be hardpressed to award him the nomination until all options are explored. Huntsman is that option waiting to be tapped. All he needs to do is pick up a few votes here and there, and *fingers crossed* when the brokered convention happens, we'll be the underdog that becomes each camps second place guy.

Let's face it, Romney people will never vote for Perry in the primaries. Neither of their people will support Cain. Gingrich is on the rise, but social conservatives will roast him on his personal life and "amnesty views." Paul will never break that 8-10% core sect who hate everyone but Paul. Huntsman meanwhile will be quietly gaining all their second pick votes since he is the only one who isn't universally hated, hasn't had a personal meltdown, isn't controversial on hot button issues, and actually stands to have have the most intelligent discussion with President Obama on how best to lead out country through this tough time.

Wishful thinking I know, but I'm at my wits end with my party and Huntsman is refreshing. At the very worst...Here's hoping he stays in the GOP long enough for 2016!

I love how the New Hampshire Republicans have decided to endorse the nutjobs. Again.

Mad Scientist: A Repub who expressed faith in reason and the scientific method? He was doomed from the start.

He also didn't:

1) appear to be a snake oil salesman (Cain)
2) ooze Jesus from his mouth (Bachmann)
3) appear legally retarded (Perry)
4) froth from the mouth about the evil of gays (Santorum)
5) talk at length about the evils of Muslims (Gingrich)
6) appear absolutely crazy (Paul)
7) talk about supporting foreclosures like some sick fark (Romney)

coeyagi: Mad Scientist: A Repub who expressed faith in reason and the scientific method? He was doomed from the start.

He also didn't:

4) froth from the mouth about the evil of gays (Santorum)

I thought the froth came from the other end?

He might turnout to be unacceptable if I learned more about him but currently Huntsman is the only one on the Republican side (that I've heard of) for whom I'd consider hanging a chad.

He's got too firm a grip on reality to make it in today's GOP.

I still wouldn't vote for him, but I wouldn't be ashamed of the result if he were elected.

Jon Huntsman want to amend the Constitution of the United States to say that life begins at conception. Even Mississippi isn't that farking extreme, but I will admit he's a perfect gentlemen in his extremism.

coeyagi:
4) froth Santorum from the mouth about the evil of gays (Santorum)


/sorry, pet peeve.

Doctor_TeethMD: coeyagi: Mad Scientist: A Repub who expressed faith in reason and the scientific method? He was doomed from the start.

He also didn't:

4) froth from the mouth about the evil of gays (Santorum)

I thought the froth came from the other end?

When his gay lover goes ATM, it's both ends.

Le Grand Inquisitor: Subby isn't being entirely truthful. Huntsman isn't banking everything on N.H.(he knows Mitt will probably take the lion's share of the votes due to his 2008 canpaign), he just wants to perform better than the "market expectations." He plans on staying around for the long haul to present voters with a viable alternative to the boomlet candidates that rise and fall in the polls. Mitt Romney is detestable and GOP voters will be hardpressed to award him the nomination until all options are explored. Huntsman is that option waiting to be tapped. All he needs to do is pick up a few votes here and there, and *fingers crossed* when the brokered convention happens, we'll be the underdog that becomes each camps second place guy.

Let's face it, Romney people will never vote for Perry in the primaries. Neither of their people will support Cain. Gingrich is on the rise, but social conservatives will roast him on his personal life and "amnesty views." Paul will never break that 8-10% core sect who hate everyone but Paul. Huntsman meanwhile will be quietly gaining all their second pick votes since he is the only one who isn't universally hated, hasn't had a personal meltdown, isn't controversial on hot button issues, and actually stands to have have the most intelligent discussion with President Obama on how best to lead out country through this tough time.

Wishful thinking I know, but I'm at my wits end with my party and Huntsman is refreshing. At the very worst...Here's hoping he stays in the GOP long enough for 2016!

Can a highschool drop out really get elected president?

coeyagi: Doctor_TeethMD: coeyagi: Mad Scientist: A Repub who expressed faith in reason and the scientific method? He was doomed from the start.

He also didn't:

4) froth from the mouth about the evil of gays (Santorum)

I thought the froth came from the other end?

When his gay lover goes ATM, it's both ends.

Ah, so he put some santorum in his Santorum so he can drink santorum while he's Santorum.

EWreckedSean: Can a highschool drop out really get elected president?

Our previous president mentally dropped out long before high school, so I'd say yes.

Lord Dimwit: DarnoKonrad: Jon Huntsman want to amend the Constitution of the United States to say that life begins at conception. Even Mississippi isn't that farking extreme, but I will admit he's a perfect gentlemen in his extremism.

*sigh* I always told myself that if Huntsman got the nomination, it wouldn't be too horrible if he won, since he understands science and evidence. I had forgotten about this.

Sure would be nice if we had a real progressive party, a real labor party, a real fiscal conservative party, a real religious party, and a real center party in this country.


my list for GOP candidates I'd invite to a bar-b-q. But it's not because he has any substantive disagreements with Michelle Bachman on policy.

DarnoKonrad: Lord Dimwit: DarnoKonrad: Jon Huntsman want to amend the Constitution of the United States to say that life begins at conception. Even Mississippi isn't that farking extreme, but I will admit he's a perfect gentlemen in his extremism.

*sigh* I always told myself that if Huntsman got the nomination, it wouldn't be too horrible if he won, since he understands science and evidence. I had forgotten about this.

Sure would be nice if we had a real progressive party, a real labor party, a real fiscal conservative party, a real religious party, and a real center party in this country.


my list for GOP candidates I'd invite to a bar-b-q. But it's not because he has any substantive disagreements with Michelle Bachman on policy.

(butchered that post)


Huntsman is at the top of my list for GOP candidates I'd invite to a bar-b-q. But it's not because he has any substantive disagreements with Michelle Bachman on policy.

EWreckedSean: Can a highschool drop out really get elected president?

Public education is for Communists! Do you want some intellectual egg-head in the Oval Office, or someone like us?

Poor Jon - he'd probably get more coverage if his name were Mike. From TDS at least.

GameSprocket: EWreckedSean: Can a highschool drop out really get elected president?

Public education is for Communists! Do you want some intellectual egg-head in the Oval Office, or someone like us?

Us? Sean is the scion of a CEO. He wants whoever will make him filthy rich.

skullkrusher: Poor Jon - he'd probably get more coverage if his name were Mike. From TDS at least.

He'd get the Teh Lulz vote of Fark if he was GaryPDX, and that has to be worth more than 2%.

Lord Dimwit: DarnoKonrad: Jon Huntsman want to amend the Constitution of the United States to say that life begins at conception. Even Mississippi isn't that farking extreme, but I will admit he's a perfect gentlemen in his extremism.

*sigh* I always told myself that if Huntsman got the nomination, it wouldn't be too horrible if he won, since he understands science and evidence. I had forgotten about this.

Sure would be nice if we had a real progressive party, a real labor party, a real fiscal conservative party, a real religious party, and a real center party in this country.

Just because he believes that life begins at conception doesn't mean he'll have any chance in hell of actually amending the constitution and making his belief the law of the land. For some reason people get irrational when anyone mentions a constitutional amendment and forget just how hard it is to actually amend the constitution.

coeyagi: 2) ooze Jesus from his mouth (Bachmann)

fap?

Doctor_TeethMD: coeyagi: Mad Scientist: A Repub who expressed faith in reason and the scientific method? He was doomed from the start.

He also didn't:

4) froth from the mouth about the evil of gays (Santorum)

I thought the froth came from the other end?

With a guy like Santorum, you really can't tell which end is which.

EWreckedSean: Can a highschool drop out really get elected president?

I guess you haven't noticed how the GOP eschews the educated (or at least edumacated-sounding speech) in favor of 'real' Americans. It doesn't matter that the candidates are largely very well-educated - they sound like morons, more often than not deliberately and as a cheap ploy. So why can't a high school dropout not make the same appeals to the basest of emotions?

squidgod2000: Just because he believes that life begins at conception doesn't mean he'll have any chance in hell of actually amending the constitution and making his belief the law of the land. For some reason people get irrational when anyone mentions a constitutional amendment and forget just how hard it is to actually amend the constitution.

He could just say "I believe life begins at conception." Instead he outright admits he wants to force that belief upon the entire nation, if he just had the power.

squidgod2000: Lord Dimwit: DarnoKonrad: Jon Huntsman want to amend the Constitution of the United States to say that life begins at conception. Even Mississippi isn't that farking extreme, but I will admit he's a perfect gentlemen in his extremism.

*sigh* I always told myself that if Huntsman got the nomination, it wouldn't be too horrible if he won, since he understands science and evidence. I had forgotten about this.

Sure would be nice if we had a real progressive party, a real labor party, a real fiscal conservative party, a real religious party, and a real center party in this country.

Just because he believes that life begins at conception doesn't mean he'll have any chance in hell of actually amending the constitution and making his belief the law of the land. For some reason people get irrational when anyone mentions a constitutional amendment and forget just how hard it is to actually amend the constitution.

I want to believe that he says that to appeal to the base.

I really want to believe that.

Of course, the only reason I don't get bent out of shape about it is because really, what if I conceive, say, but the zygote doesn't implant and passes with the cycle. Does that make me a criminal? Because I didn't take every possible precaution after having sex to make sure that a potentially-possibly-conceived clump of cells got the opportunity to implant?

Granted they're absurd, but I mean, the implications are almost impossible to enforce early enough in the pregnancy. So...why bother with the idea that 'life begins at conception?"

/rhetorical question

EWreckedSean: Sad that this guy got so much attention while Gary Johnson who usually polled better wasn't even invited to the debates.

Wasn't he Mr Floppy Hands? I have only had a chance to watch one debate this cycle but I kept getting Johnson and Huntsman confused. But I think Johnson was the one that talked with this limp hands.

whidbey: I love how the New Hampshire Republicans have decided to endorse the nutjobs. Again.

Live free under an authoritarian neoconservative regime or die.

Even the most rational sounding Republican candidate will likely appoint more Scalia/Thomas/Roberts clones to the SCOTUS. Look forward to more rational decisions like Citizens United.

I wish he would realize he in no way represents what the current GOP stands for.

Lord Dimwit: squidgod2000: Lord Dimwit: DarnoKonrad: Jon Huntsman want to amend the Constitution of the United States to say that life begins at conception. Even Mississippi isn't that farking extreme, but I will admit he's a perfect gentlemen in his extremism.

*sigh* I always told myself that if Huntsman got the nomination, it wouldn't be too horrible if he won, since he understands science and evidence. I had forgotten about this.

Sure would be nice if we had a real progressive party, a real labor party, a real fiscal conservative party, a real religious party, and a real center party in this country.

Just because he believes that life begins at conception doesn't mean he'll have any chance in hell of actually amending the constitution and making his belief the law of the land. For some reason people get irrational when anyone mentions a constitutional amendment and forget just how hard it is to actually amend the constitution.

True, but it says a lot about their views on other things. It would imply that he's going to push as hard as possible to limit access to a often necessary and lifesaving procedure. If he can't get a constitutional amendment, then he'll do everything he can through ordinary legislation, executive orders, and lawsuits.

No, it implies that even he isn't above pandering to the base.

Alphakronik: I wish he would realize he in no way represents what the current GOP stands for.

Huntsman should be using some of his millions to raise money as an independent.

Think of it: He could have been the first Internet Candidate.

So much for right-wingers coming up with creative solutions. It's more gratifying to keep doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results, I guess...

and nothing of value was lost.

whidbey:
So much for right-wingers coming up with creative solutions. It's more gratifying to keep doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results, I guess...

Well, it makes sense for them not to stray. If the sane conservatives ever split from the GOP, then that hands the election to the Dems. If the progressives ever split from the Dems, that guarantees the election to the GOP. In a two party system where a plurality of votes decides the winner whoever splits their half ot the two party choice loses. I'm willing to bet that if the US ever went to instant run off we'd see 4 parties in fairly short order... we'd also see things like two or more parties co-operating to get parts of their mandate legislated... you know... like a civilized nation.

coeyagi: Mad Scientist: A Repub who expressed faith in reason and the scientific method? He was doomed from the start.

He also didn't:

2) ooze Jesus from his mouth (Bachmann)

I don't think that's Jesus.



/ I wouldn't mind tickling her tonsils, crazy and all.

whidbey: Huntsman should be using some of his millions to raise money as an independent.

Think of it: He could have been the first Internet Candidate.

I thought that was Howard Dean.

HeartBurnKid: whidbey: Huntsman should be using some of his millions to raise money as an independent.

Think of it: He could have been the first Internet Candidate.

I thought that was Howard Dean.

OK. Huntsman could be the First Internet Candidate who Actually Got Somewhere in the Polls™

WhoIsWillo: Huntsman's biggest flaw in the primary is exactly what would make him a great candidate: He rarely ever talks about social issues, instead focuses on fiscal issues. He talks IN SPECIFICS about what he would do as President. I don't agree with a lot of it, but it shows that he actually wants the job and thinks he could do a good job.

He was doing that early on, but he's stopped. In the last few debates, every one of his answers has been "trust deficit" this and "restoring faith" that. All substance is gone. I was a big Huntsman supporter early on, but there's a reason the guy can't crack 2%, and it's because he can't charisma his way out of a paper bag. He was the intellectual in the race, but Gingrich has taken that title from him by getting extremely specific (in between media jabs, that is). Huntsman has nothing left, New Hampshire is his hail mary but expect a dropout from him soon after his 3rd place finish there.

EWreckedSean: Sad that this guy got so much attention while Gary Johnson who usually polled better wasn't even invited to the debates.

I'm never happy when I agree with you about something...

whidbey: HeartBurnKid: whidbey: Huntsman should be using some of his millions to raise money as an independent.

Think of it: He could have been the first Internet Candidate.

I thought that was Howard Dean.

OK. Huntsman could be the First Internet Candidate who Actually Got Somewhere in the Polls™

Wasn't that Obama?

HeartBurnKid: whidbey: HeartBurnKid: whidbey: Huntsman should be using some of his millions to raise money as an independent.

Think of it: He could have been the first Internet Candidate.

I thought that was Howard Dean.

OK. Huntsman could be the First Internet Candidate who Actually Got Somewhere in the Polls™

Wasn't that Obama?

Um, no?

And both Obama and Dean are Democrats.

I'm talking about imagining a truly independent candidate setting up a Web site and becoming President because of it.

Le Grand Inquisitor: Subby isn't being entirely truthful. Huntsman isn't banking everything on N.H.(he knows Mitt will probably take the lion's share of the votes due to his 2008 canpaign), he just wants to perform better than the "market expectations." He plans on staying around for the long haul to present voters with a viable alternative to the boomlet candidates that rise and fall in the polls. Mitt Romney is detestable and GOP voters will be hardpressed to award him the nomination until all options are explored. Huntsman is that option waiting to be tapped. All he needs to do is pick up a few votes here and there, and *fingers crossed* when the brokered convention happens, we'll be the underdog that becomes each camps second place guy.

Let's face it, Romney people will never vote for Perry in the primaries. Neither of their people will support Cain. Gingrich is on the rise, but social conservatives will roast him on his personal life and "amnesty views." Paul will never break that 8-10% core sect who hate everyone but Paul. Huntsman meanwhile will be quietly gaining all their second pick votes since he is the only one who isn't universally hated, hasn't had a personal meltdown, isn't controversial on hot button issues, and actually stands to have have the most intelligent discussion with President Obama on how best to lead out country through this tough time.

Wishful thinking I know, but I'm at my wits end with my party and Huntsman is refreshing. At the very worst...Here's hoping he stays in the GOP long enough for 2016!

Yeah, but he's Mormon.

I'm not knocking Mormons, but generally the evangelicals don't trust them. Or so it seems down here in the South, anyway.

Give it up, Huntsman lovers. Let's explore all the reasons the GOP's base hates Willard Mittens Romney:

1. Mormon (single biggest issue, let's not lie)
2. Talks pretty
3. "Moderate" conservative positions on some die hard issues
4. No real charisma
5. Appears willing to pander hard to get votes
6. Democrats love and/or would at least consider voting for him (second biggest problem)

Why would you reject Romney, and then go for the guy who is ALL of the above, plus:
- worked for Obama (can't be overstated how much they hate Obama) AND
- has much less name recognition AND
- has much less of a donor network/campaign machine?

It will not be Huntsman. Give it up. Last time the "Democrat's favorite Republican" got the nomination, it went down in flames and the hardcore teaderpers are not about to make that "mistake" again.