Jument: iverbali: NMTurtlelady: Forget BMI -- what is this kid's height to girth ratio, in feet? I mean, he can't be that tall, can he?

My youngest is 13 and is 6"2 and weighs 145lbs...

That's kinda freakish!

Sniff...he will be 14 next month...a lot of people obviously think he is much older...I'm 5'9" 1/2 his dad is 6'3"

alexian15: While I don't doubt that this is an actual case of medical neglect, can anyone remember the child taken from his parents several years ago for the same reason, only for doctors to discover that the child did actually in fact have a super-rare disorder that created his excessive weight? I'm a Google-tard today.

This happened to a 3-year-old girl in Albuquerque, NM, a few years back. The state took her out of parental custody and put her into foster care, then later determined that she had Prader-Willi syndrome.

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She's a teenager now, and the Albuquerque Journal did a followup story on her recently because her mother passed away in October. She is a functional person, IIRC, but still pretty heavy.

Jument: I'm 5'10" (and a bit) and this kid outweighs me by 40 lbs.

You sound fat.

Is it odd that my first reaction to the headline was about Urban Meyer?

Seriously, why isn't this being done more?

Jim_Callahan: Third-graders average, what, about a meter high? That's a BMI of ninety.

For reference, here's the BMI distribution for US males by age:

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Holy shiat. If you were that far out of the standard distribution for IQ you'd be one of those dudes with a brain the size of the rest of your body from the Planet of the Apes sequels. For mass, not quite so cool there.

That's a pretty short 8-year-old you're assuming. I was just under 5' in the third grade, say 4'10", and I was taller than average, but not that much taller. Kid's still a giant fatass, though.

I'm just gonna sit back and wait for the lawyers "He's not fat, he's big-boned!" defence.

wambu: pounddawg: Did anyone notice this article??

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"She was a sweet person and I still love her, but she needs to pay the ultimate price for what she has done," said Scott W. Buchholz, who referred to his child as "baby Scotty." "She needs to be put to death for what she has done."

What a caring man. He probably played no part in the decapitation/cannibalism. None whatsoever.

This article needs its own thread. Dad is also schizophrenic. So this poor babby was pretty much farked from the instant sperm met egg.

Certain people should never, ever reproduce.

Skyred: Jument: I'm 5'10" (and a bit) and this kid outweighs me by 40 lbs. He sounds fat. So do a lot of you, by the way. 200 lbs at 6' is pretty heavy. If you don't have a ton of muscle mass you're fat. And even if you do you're probably a little chubbish.

It really depends on who you are, type of body you have, metabolism, etc. I am 5'10 and my ideal weight (according to my doctor) is 180lb. My whole family has stocky build in general and I was not exempt. But when I am 180, I have almost no fat on me and my BMI is good. So while it may seem "fat" to you, it really does depend on the person.

Are they sure Prader Willi syndome isn't contributing to this situation? And maybe some extra HGH for good measure.

Also, he doesn't look as obese in the photo as I was expecting - at least the parts we can see. He looks like a husky 13 year old.

Skyred: Jument: I'm 5'10" (and a bit) and this kid outweighs me by 40 lbs. He sounds fat. So do a lot of you, by the way. 200 lbs at 6' is pretty heavy. If you don't have a ton of muscle mass you're fat. And even if you do you're probably a little chubbish.

Yup, I'm 5'10 160 as well and I feel like I'm getting on the fat side. If i gained 2 inches and 40 pounds I would be fat.. and I seriously doubt we've got a bunch of body builders on fark

Just under 6'0 and 195lbs with no fat and no body building here. Most people don't realize how little it takes to stay in shape. 15 minute workout in profile if interested.

Jim_Callahan: Jument: I'm 5'10" (and a bit) and this kid outweighs me by 40 lbs. He sounds fat. So do a lot of you, by the way. 200 lbs at 6' is pretty heavy. If you don't have a ton of muscle mass you're fat. And even if you do you're probably a little chubbish.

200lb at 6' is a bmi of 28, which is heavy but not really impressively so. It's classed as overweight but not up to obese class 1 yet. It's not really even to the point where you have to start pretending to have the muscle mass of Arnold in the '90s, even if you don't do much as far as exercise you're likely just office-job pudgy at worst. It's enough to raise certain risk factors health-wise, but not to the extent that your social life is probably suffering.

At Obese 1 you're visibly plump (BMI 30-35) and even the people that like you probably think you could stand to lose some weight. Obese 2 and up (35+) and you're just a flat-out fatass and need to basically not eat every other day for a while and hit the gym as hard as you can stand or you're gonna farking die of heart disease, probably alone.

I think the people who don't want to die alone are the selfish ones. Sure, you'll die scared because you are alone, not knowing what you are going to face. At least you aren't leaving behind the person that you love, and have been with over the years, to face an even bigger unknown, and not knowing what to do to now that the person they lived for for all of those years is suddenly gone.

it's a disease, he's just big stomached

KrispyKritter: paygun: This, like all problems, is best solved by more and bigger government..

Read Brave New World. It might just open your eyes.

you are a puppet: I'm 30, 6'4 and actively trying to gain weight (take protein and creatine), and I can't even break 180

Protein and creatine don't help if you're not working out enough for your body to see it as building materials, not something to burn.

I recommend more weight lifting.

Earpj: I wonder if mom tried to give the kid salads and whatnot. Siblings undermined it by giving him crap food. I also wonder if the school gave him good healthy food, or if they gave him the usual crap that school lunch is...

School food is simultaneously crap and meets a number of dietary requirements. It's not 'great', but it contains the essential nutrients at not too many calories(if they follow federal guidelines).

That far overweight, he could lose weight safely without eating a single salad. I'm doing it now. Heck, many salads today have more calories than the meals they're suposedly better than.

My recommendations:
1. Cut out soda. Yes, even diet. Yes, it's a pain
2. Cut out fruit juice - it's as sugary as soda. Eat the fruit instead, where you get more fiber and such. It also takes you longer, allowing the brain to get food signals from the stomach and turn of the hunger pangs.
3. Portion control - eat the recommended serving size.
4. Exercise - the more the better
5. Eat *every* meail - just keep them small. Breakfast - snack - lunch - snack - dinner.
6. Track/log your food - you're allowed X calories, use that goal to pick foods that are most satisfying at least calories.
7. At the level I'm cutting my diet(presumably the kid would be held around the same level), a daily multivitamin wouldn't hurt.

I'm on a 1200 calorie diet when my estimated daily needs to maintain weight is 2120, not including exercise. For a 3rd grader at 200 pounds, I'd be seeing a dietician though. Put ALL the kids in the family on a diet.

I get down to my goal weight I'll be able to almost double my intake just to maintain.

theMagni: Don't worry about upping your protein intake, that's a myth. Your body will synthesize all the protein it requires.

Your body doesn't synthesize it, but it gets more than sufficient quantities for 99% of first world people in diets that even vaguely resemble 'healthy'.

I'm slurping the occasional protein shake mostly because it's tough on a 1200 cal/day diet with a 900 cal deficit to get the protein I want. I'm working out hard on both cardiovascular and strength, so I need to keep my protein up. My shake is 120cal with 23 grams of protein, and I only have one a day. It's good at stopping hunger pangs for me.

Kwality Assurance: Skyred: Jument: I'm 5'10" (and a bit) and this kid outweighs me by 40 lbs. He sounds fat. So do a lot of you, by the way. 200 lbs at 6' is pretty heavy. If you don't have a ton of muscle mass you're fat. And even if you do you're probably a little chubbish.

Yup, I'm 5'10 160 as well and I feel like I'm getting on the fat side. If i gained 2 inches and 40 pounds I would be fat.. and I seriously doubt we've got a bunch of body builders on fark

Just under 6'0 and 195lbs with no fat and no body building here. Most people don't realize how little it takes to stay in shape. 15 minute workout in profile if interested.

awesome!

esecially avoiding sugar. Sugary beverages are the world's curse.

I cut out sugar (including high sugar fuit) for a month to cut weight for competition. I felt amazing! I eat fruit now but I wont touch juice or pop ever again. That stuff is poison.

snoproblem: Are they sure Prader Willi syndome isn't contributing to this situation? And maybe some extra HGH for good measure.

A syndrome that makes you hungry all the time is certainly a medical problem. But it doesn't make you fat; you still have to obtain and eat food to do that.

jvl: snoproblem: Are they sure Prader Willi syndome isn't contributing to this situation? And maybe some extra HGH for good measure.

A syndrome that makes you hungry all the time is certainly a medical problem. But it doesn't make you fat; you still have to obtain and eat food to do that.

There's more to it than that...its a sad syndrome...

admittedly, I'm a scrawny bastage... but this kid has me by 55-60 lbs and i'm 6'2" and turn 30 tomorrow.

Googled

Prader-Willi syndrome

Last reviewed: May 1, 2011.

Prader-Willi syndrome is disease that is present from birth (congenital). People with this condition are obese, have reduced muscle tone and mental ability, and have sex glands that produce little or no hormones.

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

Prader-Willi syndrome is caused by a gene missing on part of chromosome 15. Normally, your parents each pass down a copy of this chromosome. Most patients with Prader-Willi syndrome are missing the genetic material on part of the father's chromosome. The rest of patients with this condition often have two copies of the mother's chromosome 15.

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Did they roll him down to CPS?

I wish someone can do a followup on this meme.. it's been going around for years.. that kid is probaly in his late teens or not adult by now... wonder if he is still obese.

Firethorn: you are a puppet: I'm 30, 6'4 and actively trying to gain weight (take protein and creatine), and I can't even break 180

Protein and creatine don't help if you're not working out enough for your body to see it as building materials, not something to burn.

I recommend more weight lifting.

I would recommend lifting actual weights vs using machines. Pec dec, "curl stations" etc are all garbage unless you are in physical therapy or you are a competitive body builder who spends hours a day in the gym.

The deadlift is your best friend if you want to gain muscle.

Coco LaFemme: Why are there some people in this world who don't see this as child abuse? An 8-year-old shouldn't weigh 200 lbs., not for any conceivable reason. I don't even think an extreme thyroid problem at 8 years old would cause the kid to balloon up like that.

A child doesn't have the willpower to stop eating shiat foods and start eating healthier. That's the parents' responsibility, and it's no different than the parents beating the child, or starving the child. Clearly if the parents were trying, whatever they were trying hasn't been working.

I hope the kid can be put in or on a program that will help him lose weight before he dies of a heart attack at 13.

Bonus: its the same people angry at Mrs Obama over school lunches AND the same people against anti-bullying laws AND against removing pre-existing conditions AND *deep breath* they probably wear American flags on their clothes.

It boggles the mind.

Allen. The end.: my herniated disc: I cut out sugar (including high sugar fuit) for a month to cut weight for competition. I felt amazing! I eat fruit now but I wont touch juice or pop ever again. That stuff is poison.

So I suppose alcohol is right out?

Nope.

wambu: pounddawg: Did anyone notice this article??

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"She was a sweet person and I still love her, but she needs to pay the ultimate price for what she has done," said Scott W. Buchholz, who referred to his child as "baby Scotty." "She needs to be put to death for what she has done."

What a caring man. He probably played no part in the decapitation/cannibalism. None whatsoever.

This article needs its own thread. Dad is also schizophrenic. So this poor babby was pretty much farked from the instant sperm met egg.

Certain people should never, ever reproduce."

Just FYI this is my hometown. Note the date on the article it is 2 years old, I'll ruin the ending she got off. Even in Texas eating you baby's brain and toes after decapitating them is a shoe in for the crazy plea.

Diogenes: Lawyers for the mother say the county overreached when authorities took the boy last week. They say the medical problems he is at risk for do not yet pose an imminent danger.

"Go ahead and snort that asbestos, sport! You're not in imminent danger."

I don't know if taking the kid was right, but that is one stupid farking argument. 200 lbs at 8?!? Who knows what damage might already have been done, that may not show up for years.

The stretch marks alone...

Jim_Callahan: Jument: I didn't mention BMI. I have no idea why you would bring it up. And I rather doubt that any of the 6' 200 lbs Farkers are professional athletes, unless you could drinking as a sport.

Casual lifting or fairly amateur sports can raise your mass fairly reasonably into overweight without it being a significant health issue, and many if not most people are into fitness at that level -- they'll join a game of football at the park a couple times a week or hit the apartment weight room for half an hour or so every couple days.

If you manage to hit obese 1 then you definitely need to modify your behavior, but anyone that's reasonably active doesn't have to worry all that much if they're not at BMI 30+ yet. Admittedly, if you do basically nothing but sit around all day even in your entertainment time? Probably keep that shiat firmly between 20 and 25 using diet or you'll be in trouble.

You don't gain weight playing most sports. Pick up football is all cardio.

Otherwise I concur.

Real Women Drink Akvavit: A friend's youngest sister has PWS and even though they locked up all the food and put a padlock on the refrigerator, she was still very heavy. They actually caught her eating coffee grounds out of the garbage one morning. Apparently it also takes them less calories to gain weight as their metabolism doesn't utilize as many compared to the rest of us, so it's a problem.

And there's the difference right there. In your story, the parents give a flying fark whether their child lives or dies. A parent who controls the matter intake will control the weight problem.

It must be horrific withholding food from a perma-hungry child. But real parents deal with the crap nature deals them.

TheHopeDiamond: In this case, I agree with removing the child.

However, I would add in, "Throw the useless parents in jail on a treadmill for a while" to the mix.

God I want to see a picture.

What a 200lb Cleveland 3rd grader might look like:




/seriously nobody touched this yet? You Farkers let me down.

Jim_Callahan: Profedius: I am 6 foot 2 inches and punch in at 185 no belly fat here. I have never been close to 200. I mean how? I assume the kid goes to school so there is atleast some point where he is not allowed to eat.

If you're actually trying to put on pounds quickly and healthily, my recommendation would be judo. Amateur level judo beefs you up even faster than most of the other wrestling styles and it's distributed across your body so you don't actually look like a gym rat. Plus, bone density goes up, too, so you end up with a lot of really heavy people that would have a tough time floating if you tossed 'em in a river.

Short of actually dedicating serious hours to a sport at something approaching a pro level, you're not going to shoot your mass up half as fast without going fat with anything else.

//Plus it's good for your humility, since 10% of the sport is intentionally letting people kick your ass and the other 90% is getting your ass kicked unwilling.

Wtf are you talking about with the evenly distributing bit?

You sound like one of those stupid biatches thinking a little weight-training will make them muscle-bound by accident.

You would have to bust your ass and almost purposely unbalance your workout plan to put on muscle visibly unevenly.

KatjaMouse: Mom would have little control if he traded his fruit cup for some cookies.

No 8 year old hits 200 lbs just because he trades his fruit for cookies at lunch. That article was woefully short on details but for an 8 year old to weigh that much indicates a systemic issue from basically birth. I'm no doctor but I have to think that he has got to be facing serious health issues down the road because there's no way his still developing/growing bones and organs can deal with that kind of weight.

iverbali: NMTurtlelady: Forget BMI -- what is this kid's height to girth ratio, in feet? I mean, he can't be that tall, can he?

My youngest is 13 and is 6"2 and weighs 145lbs...

Dear gods, you might be related to my husband. He was 6' in middle school, and finally stopped growing at 6'5 and 230lbs. Not fat, though, it's muscle. It means he gives great hugs, but he's damn near cracked my ribs. :P

Hey Hey hey
Now I'm gonna sing a song for you
And I'm gonna show you a thing or two
Hey Hey Hey

He could've had the type of mental retardation that makes one always feel hungry. Also could've had an overactive thyroid. Point is, how are they so certain it's the fault of the environment?