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(Talking Points Memo)   Republicans may not have thought their cunning Solyndra plan all the way through, as it may actually put them on a collision course with the US military   (idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 138
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2011-11-28 11:35:01 AM
republican overreaching leads to unintended consequences? the hell you say?
 
2011-11-28 11:42:19 AM
FlashHarry: republican overreaching leads to unintended consequences? the hell you say?

I was going to say "reckless and reactionary" behavior, but your characterization is more PC.
 
2011-11-28 11:53:29 AM
FlashHarry: republican overreaching leads to unintended consequences? the hell you say?

It's a sad day indeed that the US military is seen as having a liberal stance on an issue compared to the current Republican groupthink. Say what you will about the Solyndra scandal, but why wouldn't the military want the ability to generate power on the battlefield for our high tech weaponry without having to depend on tankers full fuel being brought into the combat arena?
 
2011-11-28 11:54:56 AM
NuttierThanEver: Say what you will about the Solyndra scandal, but why wouldn't the military want the ability to generate power on the battlefield for our high tech weaponry without having to depend on tankers full fuel being brought into the combat arena?

Isn't that why we fought the commies in the first place?
 
2011-11-28 11:56:28 AM
No problem. They'll just cut the funding.
 
2011-11-28 12:10:02 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: NuttierThanEver: Say what you will about the Solyndra scandal, but why wouldn't the military want the ability to generate power on the battlefield for our high tech weaponry without having to depend on tankers full fuel being brought into the combat arena?

Isn't that why we fought the commies in the first place?


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2011-11-28 12:20:43 PM
Did the military have anything to do to keep Solyndra from going bankrupt? I guess I don't see the connection between the two.

Solyndra cooks their books, democrats pour money into them so they can crow about being green, Solyndra goes belly up, democrats formally in the corner now scatter like roaches.

Dems now blame reps for wanting to see if there were insider trading deals or kickbacks?
 
2011-11-28 12:35:19 PM
EnviroDude: Did the military have anything to do to keep Solyndra from going bankrupt? I guess I don't see the connection between the two.

Solyndra cooks their books, democrats pour money into them so they can crow about being green, Solyndra goes belly up, democrats formally in the corner now scatter like roaches.

Dems now blame reps for wanting to see if there were insider trading deals or kickbacks?



Yeah let me know when Republicans are willing to allow a full investigation into Halliburton's activities during the Bush years. Hell the Blackwater shiat alone makes the Solyndra allegations seem like the chump change that they are.
 
2011-11-28 01:17:17 PM
The Republicans don't give a flying fark about the US Military.

The Republicans only care about making sure that the defense industry continues to get their corporate welfare.
 
2011-11-28 01:17:25 PM
The Navy also held its annual Naval Energy Forum in October under the theme "Creating Spartan Energy Warriors."

This makes the project sound a lot more awesome than it has any right to be.
 
2011-11-28 01:29:41 PM
EnviroDude: Solyndra cooks their books

Citation? From what I understand, they didn't "cook their books" but rather succumbed to rapidly dropping prices in the cost of solar energy tech, primarily driven by cheaper hardware coming out of China.
 
2011-11-28 01:47:03 PM
The support that the GOP gives the armed forces ends at the fat contracts given to contractors and the bumper stickers ribbons. They don't give a damn about the actual soldiers that fight or those out of the service.
 
2011-11-28 01:49:08 PM
What constructing additional pylons may look like:

talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2011-11-28 01:49:32 PM
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/Obligatory
 
2011-11-28 01:49:33 PM
EnviroDude: Did the military have anything to do to keep Solyndra from going bankrupt? I guess I don't see the connection between the two.

Solyndra cooks their books, democrats pour money into them so they can crow about being green, Solyndra goes belly up, democrats formally in the corner now scatter like roaches.

Dems now blame reps for wanting to see if there were insider trading deals or kickbacks?


WTF - you're not making ANY sense at all. In fact, I think you're just one of those right-wing activists that comes onto Fark just to maintain your fascist propaganda.

Go away, troll. You're a damned PINKO, and should feel bad.
 
2011-11-28 01:50:54 PM
The nuclear industry is getting 35 BILLION in guaranteed loans. I wonder why no one seems to mention those.
 
2011-11-28 01:52:20 PM
The GOP is as odds with DoD programs enabled and pushed by a Democrat administration to build a market for their private sector pet projects? Shocking.
 
2011-11-28 01:52:39 PM
RexTalionis: The Navy also held its annual Naval Energy Forum in October under the theme "Creating Spartan Energy Warriors."

This makes the project sound a lot more awesome than it has any right to be.


It's in ever sharper contrast when you know that the Army has been spending hundreds of millions to air condition un-insulated tents in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2011-11-28 01:52:43 PM
NuttierThanEver: Buuuuuuuuutttt Bush ...

My defense if I get a speeding ticket.
 
2011-11-28 01:53:03 PM
NuttierThanEver: EnviroDude: Did the military have anything to do to keep Solyndra from going bankrupt? I guess I don't see the connection between the two.

Solyndra cooks their books, democrats pour money into them so they can crow about being green, Solyndra goes belly up, democrats formally in the corner now scatter like roaches.

Dems now blame reps for wanting to see if there were insider trading deals or kickbacks?


Yeah let me know when Republicans are willing to allow a full investigation into Halliburton's activities during the Bush years. Hell the Blackwater shiat alone makes the Solyndra allegations seem like the chump change that they are.


Let me know when the Democrats actually grow the sack to force the issue.
 
2011-11-28 01:53:47 PM
Republicans may not have thought their cunning (insert republican plan here) plan all the way through.

You mean like Watergate, Iran-Contra, Clinton witch hunt, WMDs lie, Iraq quagmire, tax cuts for the rich and on and on.
 
2011-11-28 01:54:51 PM
So what? If there is fraud and leads to the dept. of defense, so be it. It should still be investigated.

They are not, and should not be, untouchable.
 
2011-11-28 01:54:51 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: NuttierThanEver: Say what you will about the Solyndra scandal, but why wouldn't the military want the ability to generate power on the battlefield for our high tech weaponry without having to depend on tankers full fuel being brought into the combat arena?

Isn't that why we fought the commies in the first place?


NO SILLY! We fought the commies for dominoes, apple pies, mom, and apparently precious bodily fluids.
 
2011-11-28 01:55:16 PM
lunchinlewis: The GOP is as odds with DoD programs enabled and pushed by a Democrat administration to build a market for their private sector pet projects? Shocking.

Shhhhh....don't let Fark know that you are not yellow dog democrat. They might kick you out....
 
2011-11-28 01:55:42 PM
Hogwash.

Solyndra makes a product that costs too much and doesn't work.

That is why they are belly--up.
 
2011-11-28 01:55:56 PM
Somehow, I think the GOP won't really mind being seen at-odds with the "greening" of the US military.
 
2011-11-28 01:56:28 PM
FTA: That dovetailed with comments by Republican leaders such as Rep. Darryl Issa (R-California), who in September stated that in light of competition from China it would be "reasonable to predict that we could have the collapse of the entire solar panel manufacturing business in America."

Apparently the Republicans are ok with us surrendering to China.
 
2011-11-28 01:56:30 PM
When you approach every issue as an "us vs. them" situation, it's easy to forget what the goals were. Congress hasn't thought about where the country is heading in a longtime.
 
2011-11-28 01:57:30 PM
I'm still kind of astounded that the GOP is more than willing to snuff out an emerging energy market due solely to Obama hatred. They seem to be rooting for China.
 
2011-11-28 01:59:20 PM
Eddie Adams from Torrance: The Republicans don't give a flying fark about the US Military.

The Republicans only care about making sure that the defense industry continues to get their corporate welfare.


The Republicans don't give a flying...

um.. yeah, this
 
2011-11-28 02:00:23 PM
olddinosaur: Hogwash.

Solyndra makes a product that costs too much and doesn't work.

That is why they are belly--up.



Solyndra prices were 10-15 times other solar panels which still do not compete well against fossil fueled electicity
 
2011-11-28 02:00:23 PM
NuttierThanEver: FlashHarry: republican overreaching leads to unintended consequences? the hell you say?

It's a sad day indeed that the US military is seen as having a liberal stance on an issue compared to the current Republican groupthink.


The military, taken as a whole, is realist. They have to be. They are already planning for how climate change is going to affect the warfare (location/tactics) of the future. New tech and abilities/capabilities is usually the military's forte (not so fast on the whole "aeroplane" thing, though).

Whether or not it is "liberal" or not is only a judgement based on the current flavor of politics.

Or, of reality having a liberal bias.
 
2011-11-28 02:01:09 PM
olddinosaur: Hogwash.

Solyndra makes a product that costs too much and doesn't work.

That is why they are belly--up.


I'm quite sure the product works, but generating electricity from the sun is a commodity, so the lowest cost/watt generated panels wins the bid. Solyndra didn't anticipate the drop in the prices for solar panels coming from China.
 
2011-11-28 02:02:29 PM
They'll just suppress the cognitive dissonance as usual.
 
2011-11-28 02:04:04 PM
Gays and green energy? Next there'll be atheists in foxholes! OMG!
 
2011-11-28 02:04:57 PM
Republicans are unequivocally pro military... unless it's actually spending money on things like armor for troops and their vehicles. Stupid worthless money pit projects and paying private contractors 100x what it would cost the military to do itself is all American though.

It's gotta suck being a Republican today. Obama has given them nothing real to throw at him. He's slowly cleaning up the horrific mess they made despite their stonewalling and obstructionism.

How's that saying go... when life gives you a mountain of money, prestige and power make bitter lemonade?
 
2011-11-28 02:05:35 PM
Those of us paying any attention at all to what the military is trying to do to be more effective and not rely on a dwindling fuel source controlled by a handful of hostile and potentially hostile countries knew this was going to happen eventually.

I know it irks some (both conservatives and liberals) that many potential green solutions may end up coming out of the military.
 
2011-11-28 02:05:51 PM
Everyone mentioning the massive drop in prices for solar panels from China is omitting one key point:

Those prices are ARTIFICIALLY low due to massive subsidy from the Chinese government. We're talking BILLIONS in subsidies.
 
2011-11-28 02:08:44 PM
Herbie555: Everyone mentioning the massive drop in prices for solar panels from China is omitting one key point:

Those prices are ARTIFICIALLY low due to massive subsidy from the Chinese government. We're talking BILLIONS in subsidies.


And we had a trade surplus with China last year in solar PV Link (new window)
 
2011-11-28 02:10:34 PM
Remember that Simpsons episode where Homer becomes the Union Leader, and Mr. Burns assumes he's some kind of mastermind right up until he does the Curly Howard woop-woop spin on the floor?

That's how I feel about the Republicans right now. They've always been this stupid, but putting a non-white president has just cut all their ties to reality. I'm convinced that if we said they could beat Obama by castrating themselves with tuna can lids, we would save the economy from the Starkist sales alone.
 
2011-11-28 02:10:39 PM
That article was kind of reaching a little bit.
 
2011-11-28 02:11:05 PM
It's cool. All they have to do is put yellow ribbons on their car and flag pins on their lapels and they have a patriotic shield system.
 
2011-11-28 02:11:27 PM
Herbie555: Everyone mentioning the massive drop in prices for solar panels from China is omitting one key point:

Those prices are ARTIFICIALLY low due to massive subsidy from the Chinese government. We're talking BILLIONS in subsidies.


Everything from China are massively subsidized by the government. It's a huge ponzi scheme. But until that bubble bursts, those trying to compete legitimately will get killed. I've put 2020 as the date when China pops. I may be too generous. It could be as soon as 2015 (and if other countries are smart, they'll play economic warfare with China to help push that over the edge).
 
2011-11-28 02:12:13 PM
FlashHarry: republican overreaching leads to unintended consequences? the hell you say?

I would say that the thread was done in one.
 
2011-11-28 02:18:14 PM
Whoops.
 
2011-11-28 02:19:11 PM
Diogenes: FlashHarry: republican overreaching leads to unintended consequences? the hell you say?

I was going to say "reckless and reactionary" behavior, but your characterization is more PC.


NuttierThanEver: FlashHarry: republican overreaching leads to unintended consequences? the hell you say?

It's a sad day indeed that the US military is seen as having a liberal stance on an issue compared to the current Republican groupthink. Say what you will about the Solyndra scandal, but why wouldn't the military want the ability to generate power on the battlefield for our high tech weaponry without having to depend on tankers full fuel being brought into the combat arena?


Three swings, Three misses.

You cannot be blamed though, because TFA analysis was so off. It is glaringly obvious to me and every conservative that I know that if unicorn farts were real and if you could power a tank or bomber with them, and they were 100% green in everyway.....we would have absolutely no problem with the military or anyone else using them as fuel.

What we object to with solyndra is not that the Government necessarily chose to promote alternative fuels, but rather that they made the following errors:

1- They chose to invest primarily in companies owned by friends
2- Those companies had poor business plans which appear in retrospect to be based primarily on free government cash instead of actual sales
3- The loans were used a campaign commercials
4- The publics money was poorly monitored, with political leverage used to shortcut or circumvent normal spending safeguards.

I readily admit that there are probably some conservatives somewhere who are arguing that no one should use solar. I would also submit that I can go to my local starbucks and by swinging a dead cat I could strike no less than three liberals who fervently believe that forced sterilizations and restrictions in food rations should be used to reduce the world population top a sustainable level.
 
2011-11-28 02:20:16 PM
I don't see it as an issue. Of course the military is interested in alternate ways to charge batteries, but that doesn't mean that you give $500million to a company that most analysts predicted to fail.

Crony Capitalism must stop on both sides of the aisles. Congress is crooked.
 
2011-11-28 02:20:53 PM
meat0918: Those of us paying any attention at all to what the military is trying to do to be more effective and not rely on a dwindling fuel source controlled by a handful of hostile and potentially hostile countries knew this was going to happen eventually.

I know it irks some (both conservatives and liberals) that many potential green solutions may end up coming out of the military.


Most of the new tech we as a species develops either comes directly or indirectly from military actions, either in peace times or in War.
 
2011-11-28 02:23:51 PM
tricycleracer: What constructing additional pylons may look like:

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 640x353]


So whenever they call in air support from a carrier, are the pilots required to radio down 'CARRIER HAS ARRIVED?'
 
2011-11-28 02:24:28 PM
dericwater: Herbie555: Everyone mentioning the massive drop in prices for solar panels from China is omitting one key point:

Those prices are ARTIFICIALLY low due to massive subsidy from the Chinese government. We're talking BILLIONS in subsidies.

Everything from China are massively subsidized by the government. It's a huge ponzi scheme. But until that bubble bursts, those trying to compete legitimately will get killed. I've put 2020 as the date when China pops. I may be too generous. It could be as soon as 2015 (and if other countries are smart, they'll play economic warfare with China to help push that over the edge).


If the Chinese collapse then where will all our cheap plastic goods come from!?
 
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