Tomorrow's news: Polio outbreak maims and kills hundreds of children in New Jersey!

Our ancestors weep.

New Rule:

If you refuse to vaccinate your child, your child is banned from any educational facility, daycare, afterschool activity, child's sporting event, etc. If you violate the ban, the kid gets placed into state custody for juuuuust long enough to complete their vaccinations, then they parents can have them back.

If your child gets measles, mumps, rubella, polio, or any other dread disease which is prevented by immunization, it should be considered de facto evidence of parental neglect. Child services takes custody of the child, treats them, and immunizes them. Parents are billed.

Problem mostly solved.

Rain-Monkey: Tomorrow's news: Polio outbreak maims and kills hundreds of children in New Jersey!

Our ancestors weep.

We were within a few years of making polio the second eradicated disease. But conspiracy theorists convinced people to stop vaccinating, and the polio outbreaks that resulted therefrom set that clock back at least 20 years.

Vaccines don't work? Then why isn't there smallpox, antivaxxers? Freaking imbeciles.

FTFA: "Many of the vaccines are unnecessary and public health officials don't honestly know what the effect of giving so many vaccines to such small children really are," said Jennifer Margulis, a mother of four and parenting book author in Ashland, Ore.

Listen you daft bint, there is information that goes back DECADES regarding the effects of vaccinations on young children be they positive or negative, but if you are so determined to make sure little Johnny stay vaccine free, don't come crying to ME when he contracts polio.

In some rural counties in northeast Washington, for example, vaccination exemption rates in recent years have been above 20 percent and even as high as 50 percent.


Ah yes, the Mississippi of the Pacific Northwest.

dahmers love zombie: If you refuse to vaccinate your child, your child is banned from any educational facility, daycare, afterschool activity, child's sporting event, etc. If you violate the ban, the kid gets placed into state custody for juuuuust long enough to complete their vaccinations, then they parents can have them back.

When I was a kid, I remember having to go to the doctor before each school year -- high school included, and my first year of college -- and having to bring proof that I was in good health and had all my vaccinations. I know there was a religious exemption at the college level, that I assume was at all levels, but there was a large burden of proof on YOU to prove that you really and truly had a religious reason to not be vaccinated.

Go figure... we did not have to worry about polio, measels, mumps, rubella, or smallpox.

It scares me that at some point in time, we will. I agree; it should be considered child negelect. And if their sick kids get a child too young to be vaccinated sick, it should also carry charges. And if anyone dies from these diseases? Manslaughter at the very least.

"Many of the vaccines are unnecessary and public health officials don't honestly know what the effect of giving so many vaccines to such small children really are," said Jennifer Margulis, a mother of four and parenting book author in Ashland, Ore.

Who are you going to trust? Scientists or a mother of four and parenting book author?

sweetmelissa31: Who are you going to trust? Scientists or a mother of four and parenting book author?
Too many idiots in this country automatically distrust the scientists.

sweetmelissa31: Who are you going to trust? Scientists or a mother of four and parenting book author?

Hmmm. Educated experts using the scientific method and peer review...or daft bints who make stuff up as they go along.

That's a tough call. Can I vote for "TV personalities whose faces seem sincere"?

dahmers love zombie: New Rule:

If you refuse to vaccinate your child, your child is banned from any educational facility, daycare, afterschool activity, child's sporting event, etc. If you violate the ban, the kid gets placed into state custody for juuuuust long enough to complete their vaccinations, then they parents can have them back.

If your child gets measles, mumps, rubella, polio, or any other dread disease which is prevented by immunization, it should be considered de facto evidence of parental neglect. Child services takes custody of the child, treats them, and immunizes them. Parents are billed.

Problem mostly solved.

I can support this.

Grrrrr . . . these people should be called what they are: liars. All of the studies have shown that vaccines are completely unlinked from autism are are nearly essential to public health.

dahmers love zombie: If your child gets measles, mumps, rubella, polio, or any other dread disease which is prevented by immunization, it should be considered de facto evidence of parental neglect.

I can agree with this part.

This is an easy fix. Just make a national law: any required school vaccinations are free of charge, able to be given at the school if necessary in case the parents are unable to get them on the first day of school, and if the child or parent refuses, then the kid is kicked out of school. Period. No questions, no negotiations, no options. Vaccinate or no education. And no private school is allowed to be accredited if they do not follow the same requirements.

GAT_00: This is an easy fix. Just make a national law: any required school vaccinations are free of charge, able to be given at the school if necessary in case the parents are unable to get them on the first day of school, and if the child or parent refuses, then the kid is kicked out of school. Period. No questions, no negotiations, no options. Vaccinate or no education. And no private school is allowed to be accredited if they do not follow the same requirements.

These rabid idiots, if they didn't already, would just do their kids another disservice and homeschool them.

GAT_00: Vaccinate or no education. And no private school is allowed to be accredited if they do not follow the same requirements.

The first thing I thought was that there would be too many people who choose "no education." But then I realized that they wouldn't be in school anyway and the only people they're likely to infect are their unvaccinated siblings.

Sad, really. The kids aren't allowed to make their own decisions so their nutbag parents are allowed to put them in danger. I can hear the "OMG GOVERNMENT IS CONTROLLING US" crowd getting riled up about this already. I have to say to them that it's people like them that make government necessary. Because some people apparently can't be trusted to act responsibly towards the rest of society.

Britney Spear's Speculum: If you don't vaccinate your children, you should have to pay 5x insurance premiums.

THIS. Guess who's on the hook when your kid gets sick and has a lifetime of health problems because you were afraid of the nasty vaccines?

/Had 5 vaccines last week to prepare for a trip to India
//Vaccine fearmongers should all go to an infectious diseases hospital in India to see these things

ricewater_stool: Britney Spear's Speculum: If you don't vaccinate your children, you should have to pay 5x insurance premiums.

THIS. Guess who's on the hook when your kid gets sick and has a lifetime of health problems because you were afraid of the nasty vaccines?

/Had 5 vaccines last week to prepare for a trip to India
//Vaccine fearmongers should all go to an infectious diseases hospital in India to see these things

All conditions remotely related to the diseases should be considered "pre-existing".

serpent_sky: These rabid idiots, if they didn't already, would just do their kids another disservice and homeschool them.

But homeschooling usually has some kind of tutoring group, that lets them use it as proof that it's a valid education. I suppose we can also cover all eventualities by saying you have to bring vaccination proof to your GED test. So if you homeschool your kids and refuse to vaccinate them, then you can't get around it and still have them be considered educated. So either doom your kids to not working above McDonalds, or be intelligent and vaccinate your kids.

GAT_00: This is an easy fix. Just make a national law: any required school vaccinations are free of charge, able to be given at the school if necessary in case the parents are unable to get them on the first day of school, and if the child or parent refuses, then the kid is kicked out of school. Period. No questions, no negotiations, no options. Vaccinate or no education. And no private school is allowed to be accredited if they do not follow the same requirements.

I seem to remember that when I was in primary school back in the early 70's, the school nurse vaccinated the whole class in one day. That's all that happened on that particular day and I don't recall anyone getting an exemption.

Sybarite: In some rural counties in northeast Washington, for example, vaccination exemption rates in recent years have been above 20 percent and even as high as 50 percent.


Ah yes, the Mississippi of the Pacific Northwest.

Anything East of the Cascade range is pretty banjo-rific.

"A great deal of literature has been distributed casting discredit upon the value of vaccination in the prevention of smallpox. I do not see how any one
who has gone through epidemics as I have, or who is familiar with the history of the subject, and who has any capacity left for clear judgment, can doubt its value. Some months ago I
was twitted by the editor of the Journal of the Anti-Vaccination League for ' a curious silence ' on this subject. I would like to issue a Mount Carmel- like challenge to any ten unvaccinated priests of Baal. I will go into the next severe epidemic with ten selected vaccinated persons and ten selected unvaccinated persons. I should prefer to choose the latter --three members of parliament, three anti-vaccination doctors, if they could be found, and four anti-vaccination propagandists. And I will make this promise neither to jeer nor to jibe when they catch the disease but to look after them as brothers, and for the four or five who are certain to die I will try to arrange the funerals with all the pomp and ceremony of an anti-vaccination demonstration." Sir William Osler, 1910

It is very difficult to disavow magical thinking regarding conspiracy theories or quack pseudoscience, and vaccines are just this year's model. Fortunately, these posessors of secret knowledge are small in number, for now, but if vaccine opt-outs grow to significant levels, the problem of the deniers will solve itself.

clyph: serpent_sky: Too many idiots in this country automatically distrust the scientists.

Thank the religious right, who have ensured that our school systems don't teach science or critical thinking.

Anti-vaxxers tend to be liberal and well educated, actually. It's more of a holistic/alternative thing.

sovietski: I have heard of an alternate vaccine schedule for infants and toddlers, where kiddo gets all their vaccines, but it's spread out over months at a time. (any parent Farkers heard of this?)

There's no reason to use an extended schedule unless you want to schedule more doctors visits and spend more money. Your body contacts and handles log orders more pathogens in a day than in the entire recommended vaccination series.

People don't vaccinate because they've never been caught in an epidemic in this country. When entire schools are empty because everyone's home with measles or rubella, or iron lung wards become more prevalent, then we'll see this dumbfarkery diminish.

Simple solution: Develop a vaccine for autism.

YOU'RE WELCOME

I know a woman who is a stay at home mom. Covered in tattoos. Votes Democrat and hasn't gotten her child vaccinated.

It's spreading to every group. Kind of like.......a disease.....