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(The New York Times) Interesting Obama campaign strategery to focus on the downtrodden who think that government will help them and the intellecutal elite who think government can help   (campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 183
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2011-11-28 12:40:09 PM
And rational people. Don't forget them. The GOP clearly does not give a shiat about rational people.
 
2011-11-28 01:07:38 PM
Idiots have been extolling the virtues of top heavy trickle down economics since Alexander Hamilton.

And it has never worked worth a shiat.

The downtrodden are downtrodden because of those moronic policies*.

Time for government to actually help.

*except for those blights on society who actually do just want everything for free. They exist, but in a much much smaller number than the GOP and its parrot-tards would have you believe.
 
2011-11-28 01:12:10 PM
Spine Transplants for some, XXL-sized boots out of the office for others.

Lando Lincoln: And rational people. Don't forget them. The GOP clearly does not give a shiat about rational people.

They give a massive shiat about them. Honestly, they are more concerned about them than almost anyone else.

Of course, that concern rests in limiting the amount, prevalence and influence of said people.
 
2011-11-28 01:12:11 PM
In other news, the same as every Democrat's campaign strategy, going back to the the 1950s. Yawn.
 
2011-11-28 01:12:20 PM
From TFA:All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment - professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists - and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

So, his coalition is going to be made up of the middle and lower classes? Who are they saying he is leaving out here?
 
2011-11-28 01:13:51 PM
Edsel: In other news, the same as every Democrat's campaign strategy, going back to the the 1950s. Yawn.

It's not a failing campaign strategy if they can out-propaganda (not just amount, but efficacy) their opponents; they could even, well, be right, but that would just be a bonus.
 
2011-11-28 01:14:11 PM
The dichotomy between privatization and nationalization is a false one.
Granted, I'm not too against single payer or other programs like that. I am in principle, but my principles also say that if the poor and working class have to get off the welfare so does the upper class.
 
2011-11-28 01:14:31 PM
Tsk tsk. So much class warfare against people who have studied and worked hard to become intellectual elites. So sad. There was a time in America when we respected people who worked hard and achieved status. Now, subby just wants to drag people down to his level.

RIP America.
 
2011-11-28 01:17:50 PM
So, the Obama coalition is going to be "everyone except old, dumb white people". Why isn't Biraq Hussain Witchdoctor-with-bone-through-nose trying to get votes from the Tea Party? Must be racism.
 
2011-11-28 01:18:32 PM
All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment - professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists - and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

Um, that sounds like the entire middle and lower class and most of the upper income bracket give or take a couple percent, man. The white working class falls into one of those groups or the other pretty much 100%.

Sort of a repeat of the 50-state strategy, looks like. And, y'know what? I'm cool with that. Acknowledging that you're running for president of everybody and not just yam farmers in Iowa (or whatever) and being up-front about it sounds like a winner in my book.
 
2011-11-28 01:18:52 PM
Rule: You Can't Fix Stupid.

Corollary: You Can't Fix What People Like Broken.
 
2011-11-28 01:19:18 PM
tomcatadam: Edsel: In other news, the same as every Democrat's campaign strategy, going back to the the 1950s. Yawn.

It's not a failing campaign strategy if they can out-propaganda (not just amount, but efficacy) their opponents; they could even, well, be right, but that would just be a bonus.


It's a winning strategy when people vote in their own interests. A small number of people in this country benefit from Republican policies, and that number doesn't include many of their own voters.
 
2011-11-28 01:20:20 PM
All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment - professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists - and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

Also, this is an interesting display about how change in a society usually comes from an alliance between the least alienated and most alienated classes.
 
2011-11-28 01:20:32 PM
Jim_Callahan: All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment - professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists - and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

Um, that sounds like the entire middle and lower class and most of the upper income bracket give or take a couple percent, man. The white working class falls into one of those groups or the other pretty much 100%.

Sort of a repeat of the 50-state strategy, looks like. And, y'know what? I'm cool with that. Acknowledging that you're running for president of everybody and not just yam farmers in Iowa (or whatever) and being up-front about it sounds like a winner in my book.


I see what you did there.
 
2011-11-28 01:20:38 PM
What about the Unions?

Unless they are somehow abandoned in this 'new' strategy, this is the same Democrati game plan from the last 20 years.

"Ivory Tower Liberals" - Check
"Minorites and/or The Poor" = Check
"Government Dependant Voters" = Check
"Unions" - Check.

Yep. Looks like the exact same game plan since at least the 90s.
 
2011-11-28 01:20:53 PM
fracto73: From TFA:All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment - professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists - and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

So, his coalition is going to be made up of the middle and lower classes? Who are they saying he is leaving out here?


Does... does the author think these are the only professions in which education matters? Really?

Really?
 
2011-11-28 01:21:18 PM
So the Democrats are giving up trying to get the votes of people they screwed with Teacher Union run public schools, higher taxes for worse public services, and FICA taxes they will never get back. Well, at least they are finally being intellectually honest.
 
2011-11-28 01:22:30 PM
Rapmaster2000: Tsk tsk. So much class warfare against people who have studied and worked hard to become intellectual elites. So sad. There was a time in America when we respected people who worked hard and achieved status.


"There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them."
― George Orwell
 
2011-11-28 01:22:33 PM
Well, the safety gear seems to be in place.

www.politifake.org
 
2011-11-28 01:24:23 PM
Roy_G_Biv: "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them."
― George Orwell


Don't quote one of those dirty socialists to me.
 
2011-11-28 01:24:33 PM
Whoever wins 2012, I'm voting Franken/Warren 2016, hopefully they'll be on the ticket.
 
2011-11-28 01:24:51 PM
Intellecutal?
 
2011-11-28 01:25:11 PM
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2011-11-28 01:25:18 PM
Lando Lincoln: And rational people. Don't forget them. The GOP clearly does not give a shiat about rational people.

Being rational is not compatible with hate radio therefore it is unamerican.
 
2011-11-28 01:26:34 PM
If they're abandoning white working class people, and I'm a white working class person then I shouldn't vote for them, right?
 
2011-11-28 01:27:05 PM
class warfare is not a winning strategery.
 
2011-11-28 01:27:16 PM
Mildot: Well, the safety gear seems to be in place.

[www.politifake.org image 640x497]


I just had a flash of Gus Fring there.


Maybe Obama is more badass than I gave credit. I'm still holding out for a Cthulu/Paul ticket though.
 
2011-11-28 01:28:11 PM
colon_pow: class warfare is not a winning strategery.

If it wasn't we wouldn't have capitalism or the state.
And if it works for the Republicans then I see no reason the Democrats can't have their own brand.
 
2011-11-28 01:28:49 PM
colon_pow: class warfare is not a winning strategery.

Sure it is. In the short term.

Long term it is poisonous fo rthe country.
 
2011-11-28 01:29:51 PM
Also, they'll call you repeatedly asking for money until you threaten to donate to Mitt Romney unless they stop.

This was what it took for them to get the point and stop calling me. For now.

Seriously, I want Obama to get reelected, and barring a really remarkable third-party or independent alternative, he's got my vote. I am not, however, going to give him a red cent until he stops selling out to Wall Street.
 
2011-11-28 01:30:02 PM
beta_plus: So the Democrats are giving up trying to get the votes of people they screwed with Teacher Union run public schools

Oh yeah. The kids from private schools are much better educated in my town.

That was sarcasm, by the way.
 
2011-11-28 01:30:39 PM
colon_pow: class warfare is not a winning strategery.

Pfft. The Reagan strategy of telling working class whites that their money is being stolen by lazy negresses was a great strategy. You suck at winning.
 
2011-11-28 01:30:46 PM
m2313: colon_pow: class warfare is not a winning strategery.

If it wasn't we wouldn't have capitalism or the state.
And if it works for the Republicans then I see no reason the Democrats can't have their own brand.


I hope someday you realize the beauty of what you just said. There truly is a cosmic sense of humor.
 
2011-11-28 01:31:40 PM
Versus the GOP's plan to cater to the ultra rich, the religious zealots, and the people too stupid to realize they aren't ultra rich.
 
2011-11-28 01:31:49 PM
Bob16: Lando Lincoln: And rational people. Don't forget them. The GOP clearly does not give a shiat about rational people.

Being rational is not compatible with hate radio therefore it is unamerican.


And yet those folks consider themselves rational beyond reproach.
 
2011-11-28 01:31:52 PM
paygun: If they're abandoning white working class people, and I'm a white working class person then I shouldn't vote for them, right?

Yes, vote for Republicans. They deeply care about the common working man. They fight tirelessly for them. Why, just look at all of the following examples of this:
 
2011-11-28 01:32:27 PM
colon_pow: class warfare is not a winning strategery.

Don't fool yourself. The Republicans practice class warfare every election. The only difference is they don't CALL it "Class Warfare.
 
2011-11-28 01:32:31 PM
CapnBlues: I am not, however, going to give him a red cent until he stops selling out to Wall Street.

Well then you have an excellent savings program there. You should take all that money you aren't giving to Obama's campaign and invest it in the Stock Market, where you can get a better rate of return than just a savings account.
 
2011-11-28 01:32:31 PM
colon_pow: class warfare is not a winning strategery.

So you are saying the Republicans don't have a chance?
 
2011-11-28 01:32:33 PM
CapnBlues: I am not, however, going to give him a red cent until he stops selling out to Wall Street.

Our government as an institution, is just another piece of capital under the ownership of Wall Street.
Austerity measures for the poor while the rich get richer in many countries is a sign of this.
In Greece and Italy, who have had bankers forced into leadership positions and a "unity government" implemented, neoliberalism has entirely given up the charade of representative democracy. Or perfected the charade to a new art form.
 
2011-11-28 01:32:50 PM
fracto73: From TFA:All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment - professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists - and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

So, his coalition is going to be made up of the middle and lower classes? Who are they saying he is leaving out here?


I know I'm being oversensitive to the whole race issue, but damn, can could they be trying any harder to push "Obama's favoring minorities over white folk!"?
 
2011-11-28 01:34:06 PM
Well, given that I don't think he expects to garner much, if any, support from the FOXNews crowd and their paid trolls, I don't expect to see a coalition of the shilling.
 
2011-11-28 01:34:19 PM
Pants full of macaroni!!: Bob16: Lando Lincoln: And rational people. Don't forget them. The GOP clearly does not give a shiat about rational people.

Being rational is not compatible with hate radio therefore it is unamerican.

And yet those folks consider themselves rational beyond reproach.


In a really bizarre way, though, they are able to be rational, insofar as the internal logic of what they say often works perfectly. The premises and propositions of their logic, though, are often factually incorrect. Thus, they aren't so much irrational as grossly misinformational.
 
2011-11-28 01:34:49 PM
fracto73: From TFA:All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment - professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists - and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

So, his coalition is going to be made up of the middle and lower classes? Who are they saying he is leaving out here?


Since when are culturally conservative Hispanic voters 'Center Left'? This a demographic that voted for Bush at about the same rate as the population as a whole in 00 and 04.
 
2011-11-28 01:34:56 PM
BojanglesPaladin: colon_pow: class warfare is not a winning strategery.

Sure it is. In the short term.

Long term it is poisonous fo rthe country.


Unless it's the rich waging class war. Then it's known as trickle-down economics ( aka voodoo economics )
 
2011-11-28 01:34:56 PM
Lando Lincoln: Yes, vote for Republicans. They deeply care about the common working man. They fight tirelessly for them. Why, just look at all of the following examples of this:

Both sides bad, vote Democrat!
 
2011-11-28 01:35:24 PM
BojanglesPaladin: CapnBlues: I am not, however, going to give him a red cent until he stops selling out to Wall Street.

Well then you have an excellent savings program there. You should take all that money you aren't giving to Obama's campaign and invest it in the Stock Market, where you can get a better rate of return than just a savings account.


ha... well, i think i'll use that money to buy food and pay rent. thanks for the tip, though.
 
2011-11-28 01:35:32 PM
The old bigots are finally being fazed out, completely. You did it to yourselves.
 
2011-11-28 01:35:42 PM
Well, given that I don't think he expects to garner much, if any, support from the former head coach of Wright State Basketball and the former ace pitcher for the Boston Red Sox, I don't expect to see a coalition of the Schilling.
 
2011-11-28 01:37:05 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: The old bigots are finally being fazed out, completely. You did it to yourselves.

ah, but a whole new brand of bigotry is moving in to replace it! Dominionism!

Just in case you were sad to see bigotry leave, you know. :)
 
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