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(Cincinnati Enquirer) Hero Yet another newspaper gives in to the "Facebook is our only hope in saving the comments section" fallacy   (news.cincinnati.com) divider line 64
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2011-11-28 07:23:24 AM
I will never, ever use a facebook account to comment or sign up for any website.

Our local paper did the same thing, and so I stopped visiting the site. I can read my news elsewhere.
 
2011-11-28 07:33:00 AM
There was a nice collage of screengrabs of facebook posts calling the Japanese earthquake and Tsunami some kind of payback for Pearl Harbour which proves beyond a doubt that people don't only post nice or reasonable things on Facebook. Plus it's not hard to make a fake facebook account.
 
2011-11-28 07:53:12 AM
It's a Gannett-wide thing, subby.

Deeply stupid of them.
 
2011-11-28 08:46:13 AM
FB has a pretty nice commenting system, though.
 
2011-11-28 08:55:21 AM
It's ok. Facebook is about to go the way of MySpace anyway. Not because it isn't popular, but because it is vastly over-valued as a stock. It is itself a bubble waiting to burst. When it does, you can bet that Zucker-boy will sell it very quickly in order to cut losses that could otherwise be tremendous. Right now, nobody is worried about their data. But they sure would be if Facebook was getting sold at a fire sale to the first person to come up with a decent amount of cash. That is when they will suffer the loss of users, not before. But of course by then they have all the data they were after in the first place.

You do know that is why Facebook exists, right?
 
2011-11-28 08:56:21 AM
The ones who use the facebook comment sections are usually the most racist and hateful people, so I'm okay with their idiocy being outed along with their real name.
 
2011-11-28 08:57:16 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: FB has a pretty nice commenting system, though.

Compared to what? You can't use any text mark-ups (bold, underline, italics), nor can you edit your posts. You can't post images, videos, or 'friendly' links (it just show the entire URL).

People are limited to either commenting on your comment, or "liking" it. There is no "dislike", "this is stupid" or "WTF are you talking about?".
 
2011-11-28 08:58:50 AM
Balchinian: But of course by then they have all the data they were after in the first place.

You do know that is why Facebook exists, right?


www.intrepid.com.au
 
2011-11-28 08:59:34 AM
Balchinian: It's ok. Facebook is about to go the way of MySpace anyway. Not because it isn't popular, but because it is vastly over-valued as a stock. It is itself a bubble waiting to burst. When it does, you can bet that Zucker-boy will sell it very quickly in order to cut losses that could otherwise be tremendous. Right now, nobody is worried about their data. But they sure would be if Facebook was getting sold at a fire sale to the first person to come up with a decent amount of cash. That is when they will suffer the loss of users, not before. But of course by then they have all the data they were after in the first place.

This smells like truth to me, which is why I bailed. I deleted my account (the "permanent" delete option) about 2 months ago. I doubt they really did, but I'm hoping so.
 
2011-11-28 09:07:29 AM
Meh, they can have my data. I stopped posting shiat shortly after signing up, and even when I did it was just inconsequential bullshiat like movies I like and recycled jokes from....here.

/I'm okay with someone paying eleventy kabillion dollars to find out I like "Inside Man" and "Spy Game".
 
2011-11-28 09:07:46 AM
Drew, this would make a great april fools prank.
 
2011-11-28 09:13:39 AM
I'm torn between never using Facebook or finally giving in and making up a fake identity. I wonder if Frank Reynolds is already signed up.
 
2011-11-28 09:14:09 AM
Balchinian: It's ok. Facebook is about to go the way of MySpace anyway. Not because it isn't popular, but because it is vastly over-valued as a stock. It is itself a bubble waiting to burst. When it does, you can bet that Zucker-boy will sell it very quickly in order to cut losses that could otherwise be tremendous. Right now, nobody is worried about their data. But they sure would be if Facebook was getting sold at a fire sale to the first person to come up with a decent amount of cash. That is when they will suffer the loss of users, not before. But of course by then they have all the data they were after in the first place.

Except that nothing you say has any basis in reality. Facebook is profitable. And MySpace died not because it was "overvalued" (which is a debatable point) but because it failed to evolve and change allowing competitors to come in and eat its lunch. Facebook isn't making the same mistakes. And "zucker-boy" owns 24% of facebook. Although CEO - he is hardly in a position to "sell it quickly" (whatever that means).

/people forget MySpace was making a ton of money when they were bought. And then development of the platform basically stopped.
 
2011-11-28 09:15:21 AM
I was ok with using my name when writing an actual letter to the newspaper opinion section. Back then it, it was still fairly anonymous to do so.

Not ok with using Facebook to comment on things. I don't even comment or join groups that have people I don't know. Lots of folks claim to use FB to research job applicants, and I might want a new job someday.
 
2011-11-28 09:21:18 AM
The most frustrating thing of late is that one must have a Facebook account to comment on major newspaper sites. That in itself is a kind of censorship.

Of course I don't have a Facebook account, who has time for that? I'm too busy lurking on fark..
 
2011-11-28 09:33:44 AM
They should charge $5.00 a month for unlimited anonymous posting. Then put up trolltastic headlines and articles. Works for some sites.
 
2011-11-28 09:35:14 AM
That is the best way today to ensure that people use their real names.

Um...
 
2011-11-28 09:46:38 AM
Our local paper did this too (also a Gannet paper) so we dropped our subscription. It wasn't the main reason but it was the last straw. The layout and navigation of the online version was an absolute mess, but the comments were fun and often more informative than the articles.

I guess I'm gonna have to hang out on Fark more.
 
2011-11-28 09:58:06 AM
bravian: Balchinian: It's ok. Facebook is about to go the way of MySpace anyway. Not because it isn't popular, but because it is vastly over-valued as a stock. It is itself a bubble waiting to burst. When it does, you can bet that Zucker-boy will sell it very quickly in order to cut losses that could otherwise be tremendous. Right now, nobody is worried about their data. But they sure would be if Facebook was getting sold at a fire sale to the first person to come up with a decent amount of cash. That is when they will suffer the loss of users, not before. But of course by then they have all the data they were after in the first place.

Except that nothing you say has any basis in reality. Facebook is profitable. And MySpace died not because it was "overvalued" (which is a debatable point) but because it failed to evolve and change allowing competitors to come in and eat its lunch. Facebook isn't making the same mistakes. And "zucker-boy" owns 24% of facebook. Although CEO - he is hardly in a position to "sell it quickly" (whatever that means).

/people forget MySpace was making a ton of money when they were bought. And then development of the platform basically stopped.


Yes, FB is profitable, I didn't say otherwise. I said it is over-valued as a stock, which you are certainly more than welcome to argue, as long as you can recognize that there is more to stock valuation than just profitability. A lot more.

When I compared FB to MS I meant a parallel only in the speed and intensity with which it declined, not the manner or reasons behind the decline. My fault for not being clearer on that, sorry.

Zucker-boy owns 24% of the company, yes. But all of the technology usage rights belong to him personally (well technically, to his personal corporation), and that is where most of the financial value for investment purposes is. It is one of the big reasons I hold that the stock in the company is overvalued...it doesn't own a crucial component of its own operation. Without usage rights, there is no FB. The potential consequences (an eventuality, I would posit) of that arrangement make investing in FB very, very risky.
 
2011-11-28 10:01:08 AM
It doesn't change anything, a lot of people are happy to be assholes and racists.

Though I'm always surprised to see them list their place of employment. Sometimes it's fun to send links of comment threads to their company's HR department. Out of concern for their company's image, of course.
 
2011-11-28 10:33:04 AM
Facebooks only redeeming quality is that it allows for a sit like Literally Unbelievable to exist. There is nothing funnier than reading a group of Americans upset that Obama punched a Wall Street banker in the face.
 
2011-11-28 10:38:54 AM
stewbert: I was ok with using my name when writing an actual letter to the newspaper opinion section. Back then it, it was still fairly anonymous to do so.

Not ok with using Facebook to comment on things. I don't even comment or join groups that have people I don't know. Lots of folks claim to use FB to research job applicants, and I might want a new job someday.


I manage a recruiting office--we routinely search FB, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Google on all job applicants. And by "we", I don't mean just my company--I mean almost every recruiter on the face of the planet. Now, the good news is, if we really like you for the job, we'll tell you to clean up your profile or at least set it to private. The bad news is, if we were on the fence about you & there are photos of you doing a keg stand or updates about how you hate your job/boss/customers/co-workers, we'll toss you into the circular file. Not so much because we disagree with what you posted--it's that you were dumb enough to post something that's viewable by everyone.

/Has a Facebook profile & Twitter account.
//Under an alias
///Only LinkedIn is under my real name and I'm very particular about what goes on there.
 
2011-11-28 10:43:48 AM
This Looks Fun: Balchinian: It's ok. Facebook is about to go the way of MySpace anyway. Not because it isn't popular, but because it is vastly over-valued as a stock. It is itself a bubble waiting to burst. When it does, you can bet that Zucker-boy will sell it very quickly in order to cut losses that could otherwise be tremendous. Right now, nobody is worried about their data. But they sure would be if Facebook was getting sold at a fire sale to the first person to come up with a decent amount of cash. That is when they will suffer the loss of users, not before. But of course by then they have all the data they were after in the first place.

This smells like truth to me, which is why I bailed. I deleted my account (the "permanent" delete option) about 2 months ago. I doubt they really did, but I'm hoping so.


What did you have on there that was so potentially damaging?
 
2011-11-28 10:54:53 AM
brigid_fitch: stewbert: I was ok with using my name when writing an actual letter to the newspaper opinion section. Back then it, it was still fairly anonymous to do so.

Not ok with using Facebook to comment on things. I don't even comment or join groups that have people I don't know. Lots of folks claim to use FB to research job applicants, and I might want a new job someday.

I manage a recruiting office--we routinely search FB, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Google on all job applicants. And by "we", I don't mean just my company--I mean almost every recruiter on the face of the planet. Now, the good news is, if we really like you for the job, we'll tell you to clean up your profile or at least set it to private. The bad news is, if we were on the fence about you & there are photos of you doing a keg stand or updates about how you hate your job/boss/customers/co-workers, we'll toss you into the circular file. Not so much because we disagree with what you posted--it's that you were dumb enough to post something that's viewable by everyone.

/Has a Facebook profile & Twitter account.
//Under an alias
///Only LinkedIn is under my real name and I'm very particular about what goes on there.


Is there any way to get a free consult from a concern like yours? I know what my FB settings are, and I know what pops up if you google me, but I have no way of knowing how companies see that.

I'm assuming no one cares that I ate a 2kg hamburger, and my FB is set to private (and other than scatological humor/bad words/risque topics/a little politics, there's nothing objectionable on there - I tend not to post about people, especially not people who piss me off), but I've also done some writing that shows up under my name. Do companies care if you're political?

How do I know what to change?

// at least I don't have a Santorum problem Santorum's Google problem
 
2011-11-28 11:02:18 AM
BurnShrike: I will never, ever use a facebook account to comment or sign up for any website.

THIS.

I value my privacy. The best way to ensure my privacy is not participate in services that are designed to commoditize my private information.
 
2011-11-28 11:16:01 AM
PanicMan: Drew, this would make a great april fools prank.

Hahahahahahaha!

If Drew does this, I will find you, PanicMan.
 
2011-11-28 11:38:29 AM
Dr Dreidel: Is there any way to get a free consult from a concern like yours? I know what my FB settings are, and I know what pops up if you google me, but I have no way of knowing how companies see that.

I'm assuming no one cares that I ate a 2kg hamburger, and my FB is set to private (and other than scatological humor/bad words/risque topics/a little politics, there's nothing objectionable on there - I tend not to post about people, especially not people who piss me off), but I've also done some writing that shows up under my name. Do companies care if you're political?

How do I know what to change?


It's mostly common sense and it'll typically change depending on the type of position. Right now, our job orders run the gamut from office assistant for a construction company to a senior chemist for a pharmaceutical manufacturer. The office assistant gets a lot of leeway--nobody's going to care what her political affiliation is or if she moonlights at Hooters. The chemist would require a lot more scrutiny but, even then, political affiliation won't matter. The only time that has EVER been an issue was when this one guy's FB profile was littered w/birther crap. Although he interviewed well, we didn't want to deal with anyone that out of touch with reality. If some political stuff you've written shows up on a Google search, it really won't matter unless it's way out there on the lunatic fringe. Or, if we know the CLIENT has a particular political bias, we'll warn you. (This has happened--a small business owner looking for a bookkeeper was a rabid Tea Partier. We had to tell the candidates not only to make sure they scrubbed their LinkedIn profiles of politics but also to make sure they would be able to work for someone with really extreme political views.)

If your profile is set to private, companies can't see anything more than the average public can. We have no magic password to get around the settings. But you still have to be careful about what friends tag, though. A friend of mine is a VP of a Wall St. company who's a huge Star Trek/gaming nerd. He has a standing order not to tag him without asking first and still has to keep an eye on his profile in case someone forgets. If someone has a public profile & tags a photo of him, everyone can see it until he can untag himself. Not that he engages in anything too out of the ordinary--he just doesn't want the rest of a Fortune 100 company knowing one of their VP's dresse as a Klingon or is in the middle of a 3-day D&D marathon.
 
2011-11-28 11:38:45 AM
The My Little Pony Killer: The ones who use the facebook comment sections are usually the most racist and hateful people, so I'm okay with their idiocy being outed along with their real name.

This. One of my local papers got into the FB comments craze and boy, it's been a blast!

It was one thing reading FakeUser83 posting the stupidest crap you've ever heard, but after all, it was behind anonimity and probably just trolling.

Linking stupid comments to an actual person and A FACE? Dude, that's GOLD! I get a kick of reading the comments now because stupid people don't have a filter for what they say anyway. "It's just the Internet, no big deal" they say.
 
2011-11-28 11:45:27 AM
But like others have said. This is mostly censorship through social standing. It's tantamount to blackmail. "Oh, don't say anything people don't like. You'll get burned."

Like brigid_fitch explains,you can't deviate too much from the median or you're just out of work. It's just the usual discrediting tactics the government has been using for decades. Or is it just me who remembers COINTELPRO? I know I'm not the only one and considering the pervasiveness of Facebook it all looks more and more like 1984.
 
2011-11-28 11:49:36 AM
Meanwhile, Ben Franklin rolls in his grave.
 
2011-11-28 11:53:49 AM
I also really really hate all the sites now that let you "like" a page on Facebook. Why would I want to let the corporate world know that I like their news article on "Do big feet mean you have a big penis?"
 
2011-11-28 12:00:22 PM
BurnShrike: Compared to what? You can't use any text mark-ups (bold, underline, italics), nor can you edit your posts. You can't post images, videos, or 'friendly' links (it just show the entire URL).

this is no longer true.
 
2011-11-28 12:00:58 PM
WaltzingMathilda: BurnShrike: Compared to what? You can't use any text mark-ups (bold, underline, italics), nor can you edit your posts. You can't post images, videos, or 'friendly' links (it just show the entire URL).

this is no longer true.


i should clarify. the bolded part is no longer true.
 
2011-11-28 12:02:23 PM
I have two Facebook accounts. One is my real name, one is not and is used for this type of crap.

Why do people assume Facebook = Your Real Name?
 
2011-11-28 12:12:39 PM
Fark could really simplify things if they switched over to Facebook commenting. Or Disqus.

notsureifserious.jpg
 
2011-11-28 12:16:02 PM
brigid_fitch: stewbert: I was ok with using my name when writing an actual letter to the newspaper opinion section. Back then it, it was still fairly anonymous to do so.

Not ok with using Facebook to comment on things. I don't even comment or join groups that have people I don't know. Lots of folks claim to use FB to research job applicants, and I might want a new job someday.

I manage a recruiting office--we routinely search FB, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Google on all job applicants. And by "we", I don't mean just my company--I mean almost every recruiter on the face of the planet. Now, the good news is, if we really like you for the job, we'll tell you to clean up your profile or at least set it to private. The bad news is, if we were on the fence about you & there are photos of you doing a keg stand or updates about how you hate your job/boss/customers/co-workers, we'll toss you into the circular file. Not so much because we disagree with what you posted--it's that you were dumb enough to post something that's viewable by everyone.

/Has a Facebook profile & Twitter account.
//Under an alias
///Only LinkedIn is under my real name and I'm very particular about what goes on there.


What if you don't find much on those? I don't have a FB account, I have an unused Twitter account that is not under my real name and all my LinkdIn profile has is where I've worked and gone to school. Google does bring up some info on me, but it is only posts on tech related message boards or listservs. How does that affect the process?
 
2011-11-28 12:17:53 PM
BurnShrike: I also really really hate all the sites now that let you "like" a page on Facebook. Why would I want to let the corporate world know that I like their news article on "Do big feet mean you have a big penis?"

Well? Does it?


/Has big feet.
 
2011-11-28 12:40:07 PM
Yep. You're only as private on Facebook as your least private "friend".

And let's face it: all your "friends" are retarded.
 
2011-11-28 01:16:19 PM
Balchinian: It's ok. Facebook is about to go the way of MySpace anyway.

It's nothing out there to replace it as of this moment even that waste land Google plus.
/There need to be a good start-up to replace it like they did with every social network
 
2011-11-28 01:16:51 PM
AcneVulgaris: This Looks Fun: Balchinian: It's ok. Facebook is about to go the way of MySpace anyway. Not because it isn't popular, but because it is vastly over-valued as a stock. It is itself a bubble waiting to burst. When it does, you can bet that Zucker-boy will sell it very quickly in order to cut losses that could otherwise be tremendous. Right now, nobody is worried about their data. But they sure would be if Facebook was getting sold at a fire sale to the first person to come up with a decent amount of cash. That is when they will suffer the loss of users, not before. But of course by then they have all the data they were after in the first place.

This smells like truth to me, which is why I bailed. I deleted my account (the "permanent" delete option) about 2 months ago. I doubt they really did, but I'm hoping so.

What did you have on there that was so potentially damaging?


Nothing even mildly incriminating. Just my email which means the email address is garbage when a company buys Facebook and sells every email address to spammers.
 
2011-11-28 01:45:01 PM
rocky_howard: But like others have said. This is mostly censorship through social standing. It's tantamount to blackmail. "Oh, don't say anything people don't like. You'll get burned."

Like brigid_fitch explains,you can't deviate too much from the median or you're just out of work. It's just the usual discrediting tactics the government has been using for decades. Or is it just me who remembers COINTELPRO? I know I'm not the only one and considering the pervasiveness of Facebook it all looks more and more like 1984.


You misunderstand me. You can be as off-the-wall as you want--for most jobs, it doesn't matter. Just don't be stupid enough to think there won't be real-world ramifications if you don't keep your off-the-wall opinions protected. It's no different than a teacher shouting racist remarks at a crowded bar. Yes, he's entitled to his free speech but don't be surprised if it gets back to his administrators & he's fired for it. FB might as well be that crowded bar and there's only so much you can do to limit who "hears" you.
 
2011-11-28 01:46:14 PM
stewbert: I was ok with using my name when writing an actual letter to the newspaper opinion section. Back then it, it was still fairly anonymous to do so.

Not ok with using Facebook to comment on things. I don't even comment or join groups that have people I don't know. Lots of folks claim to use FB to research job applicants, and I might want a new job someday.


If I am applying for a job and don't get it because of a comment I left on a local newspaper website a few years ago, then I would consider that a bullet dodged. No one wants to work for a psychotic, obsessive asshole.
 
2011-11-28 01:51:31 PM
Balchinian: Facebook is about to go the way of MySpace anyway.

Back in the day it used to be only college kids. People with at least an education to get into college.
Myspace kept the other people at bay.

Now look at Lamebook / Failbook. I swear I need a decoder ring for the way some people talk. And some people don't care about their online reputation. Look at the guy who refused to hire until Obama is gone. The comments at the bottom of that article were the product of Derp breeding with Derp and then dropped a few times as a child.
 
2011-11-28 01:54:01 PM
stevetherobot: brigid_fitch: stewbert: I was ok with using my name when writing an actual letter to the newspaper opinion section. Back then it, it was still fairly anonymous to do so.

Not ok with using Facebook to comment on things. I don't even comment or join groups that have people I don't know. Lots of folks claim to use FB to research job applicants, and I might want a new job someday.

I manage a recruiting office--we routinely search FB, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Google on all job applicants. And by "we", I don't mean just my company--I mean almost every recruiter on the face of the planet. Now, the good news is, if we really like you for the job, we'll tell you to clean up your profile or at least set it to private. The bad news is, if we were on the fence about you & there are photos of you doing a keg stand or updates about how you hate your job/boss/customers/co-workers, we'll toss you into the circular file. Not so much because we disagree with what you posted--it's that you were dumb enough to post something that's viewable by everyone.

/Has a Facebook profile & Twitter account.
//Under an alias
///Only LinkedIn is under my real name and I'm very particular about what goes on there.

What if you don't find much on those? I don't have a FB account, I have an unused Twitter account that is not under my real name and all my LinkdIn profile has is where I've worked and gone to school. Google does bring up some info on me, but it is only posts on tech related message boards or listservs. How does that affect the process?


It lessens our work & could actually move you up. If we can't find anything on a candidate, and we're convinced you're somewhat computer-savvy, then we'll assume you've already figured out how to keep most personal data hidden (kudos!) or just don't post anything inflammatory enough to come up in the first few pages of a Google search. If the posts we find are benign (like your tech posts), we don't pay attention to them. As far as my company is concerned, I have a LinkedIn profile, no FB or Twitter, and I occasionally post on NEA forums (I used to be a teacher).
 
2011-11-28 02:03:49 PM
If you don't use Facebook, it's easy to set up an account.

How can it be easy to set up a Facebook account if you don't use Facebook? Oh, they mean you have to START using Facebook. No thanks.
 
2011-11-28 02:22:07 PM
This Looks Fun: AcneVulgaris: This Looks Fun: Balchinian: It's ok. Facebook is about to go the way of MySpace anyway. Not because it isn't popular, but because it is vastly over-valued as a stock. It is itself a bubble waiting to burst. When it does, you can bet that Zucker-boy will sell it very quickly in order to cut losses that could otherwise be tremendous. Right now, nobody is worried about their data. But they sure would be if Facebook was getting sold at a fire sale to the first person to come up with a decent amount of cash. That is when they will suffer the loss of users, not before. But of course by then they have all the data they were after in the first place.

This smells like truth to me, which is why I bailed. I deleted my account (the "permanent" delete option) about 2 months ago. I doubt they really did, but I'm hoping so.

What did you have on there that was so potentially damaging?

Nothing even mildly incriminating. Just my email which means the email address is garbage when a company buys Facebook and sells every email address to spammers.


Spam filters are pretty good anymore. I've got an email address I've had since 94 or so. Used to get 400 spam a day, but only a few a week now.
 
2011-11-28 02:41:20 PM
blahpers: PanicMan: Drew, this would make a great april fools prank.

Hahahahahahaha!

If Drew does this, I will find you, PanicMan.


You mean like this? (new window)
 
2011-11-28 02:57:24 PM
GleeUnit: blahpers: PanicMan: Drew, this would make a great april fools prank.

Hahahahahahaha!

If Drew does this, I will find you, PanicMan.

You mean like this? (new window)


Somehow I missed that one. Yikes.
 
2011-11-28 04:06:09 PM
Unfortunately, I think this is where more and more newspapers are going - they're all waking up to the fact that most comment sections are a cesspool and they may not drive Web traffic like we once thought. I work for a newspaper and our comments are AWFUL - I have friends that have canceled because of how dumb and racist they are. But I can see the other side of it too, I understand why people won't log into Facebook just to comment.
 
2011-11-28 04:56:13 PM
Comments on stories can produce tens of thousand ds of dollars in legal fees per year just defending the identities of the idiots posting, because of privacy clauses and promises made to the very asshats that abuse the forums in the first place.

Facebook comment is the last stand before just shutting comments down totally.
 
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