DON.MAC: Do not underestimate how many guys sign up because of that waste of jet fuel.
I say that as someone who knows Aussie and British guys and gals who are watching American soldiers backs.

Maybe sub-cheap-ass-mitter can explain what cost to benefit ratio is for an Irish friend who was so impressed with what she saw by the USAF that she joined the UK Intelligence wing and saved a few of their Yankee and Southern butts.

I dunno, but I'm a little concerned about the quality of the "intelligence" wing if it's staffed by people whose career decisions are affected by fly-overs.

Yes, It is imperative that our pilots get all the training they need in the crucial task of flying low over a stadium. Without that kind of focused, mission critical training would we have ever won the battles of Saddam Hussein Field or Mullah Omar Park?

Old and busted: F-16 / F-18 flyovers
The new hotness: UAV flyovers

veedeevadeevoodee: Old and busted: F-16 / F-18 flyovers
The new hotness: UAV flyovers

The new new hotness: Recon Drone flyovers

/+20 Tagged Assist!

I prefer the flying of blimps over closed roof stadiums.

What has been said before, they are not flying over a stadium to look cool, but they are flying over to bomb/strafe it. Does not really cost that much extra for training.

Military spending and tax cuts are the only reason we have a deficit. Just get rid of them and America will never be in the red again.

I disagree with Subby except in the instances of domed stadiums. Then fly-overs are pointless.

The Third Man: veedeevadeevoodee: Old and busted: F-16 / F-18 flyovers
The new hotness: UAV flyovers

The new new hotness: Recon Drone flyovers

/+20 Tagged Assist!



Still on the hunt for prostitutes. Should be some outside the stadium.

/I thought Judge had lost his touch... until that episode.
//damn that was funny.

I'm ok with this

"If the flyovers were discontinued, I would not be at the games," Scott Flanders wrote in an email. "The fact is, without the flyover, Jaxson de Ville and a halftime show, the games today would be a bore."

There are few good reasons to go to a Jacksonville game. These are not them.

Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, It is imperative that our pilots get all the training they need in the crucial task of flying low over a stadium. Without that kind of focused, mission critical training would we have ever won the battles of Saddam Hussein Field or Mullah Omar Park?

Actually, I read that it was a very efficient way to train the pilots into coordinating attacks, as the flybys have to be done in very precise time windows.

Link (new window)

hey don't come cheaply: It cost $36,000 for six F/A-18A Hornet fighter jets -- from the Navy's Blue Angels squadron -- to fly over the University of Phoenix Stadium before the 2008 Super Bowl [source: Robbins]. (A Blue Angels press officer told the Orlando Sentinel that the cost was worth it in order to increase the Blue Angels' and the Navy's visibility [source: Robbins].)
The cost is deducted from funds used for training, but for some special services, like the Golden Knights skydiving team, the event organizer (if it's a private organization) may have to pay for lodging, meals and transportation -- up to $3,000 a day.
The military views flyovers as promotional and recruiting opportunities for the armed services. They allow ordinary citizens to see the military up close in a way that's normally not possible.
A flyover flight actually counts as training for the pilots, but with a flyover essentially consisting of a brief flight between two points, labeling it "training" could be viewed as rather generous.

SPOILER ALERT: _{the country isn't serious about ending debt woes}

Jake Havechek: Just catapult Lee Greenwood over the stadium.

Oh, that would be sweeeet!

beta_plus: Military spending and tax cuts are the only reason we have a deficit. Just get rid of them and America will never be in the red again.

/Yes and just think how nice a place the world will be with roses and butterflies for everyone.

cgraves67: I disagree with Subby except in the instances of domed stadiums. Then fly-overs are pointless.

Depends on the ordnance they are delivering. Say, a BLU-96 to Cowboys Stadium.

"You're underwater in your mortgage, your car is falling apart, and your credit sucks so you can't get a new one. You shouldn't let your 4-year old drop that penny in the wishing well in the park. It shows you're not serious about saving money."

basemetal: How about helicopter flyovers, is that okay? Link (new window)

ok, that was really impressive. I bet the pilots loved that.

Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, It is imperative that our pilots get all the training they need in the crucial task of flying low over a stadium. Without that kind of focused, mission critical training would we have ever won the battles of Saddam Hussein Field or Mullah Omar Park?

Mission planning, airspace planning, weather planning, and stick time. All important stuff to practice.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, It is imperative that our pilots get all the training they need in the crucial task of flying low over a stadium. Without that kind of focused, mission critical training would we have ever won the battles of Saddam Hussein Field or Mullah Omar Park?

1) Time on Target
2) Formation flying
3) Precision navigation

All of those are mission critical, and all of those are necessary for a typical fly-by.

Trolling indeed.

Farking utter bullshiat. Seriously all of those tasks could be simulated and trained in much better ways than a fly-by over a stadium.

Flowing low over a stadium in a tight formation has pretty much zero in common with modern combat. Unless they are practicing to be sitting ducks, there is little or no training value in a fly-by.

That's not trolling, that's just not accepting the bullshiat shoveled to justify wasting resources on these events.

meat0918: There are many things we could do to spend money a little more slowly.

How about, instead of cancelling them, they charge the stadium for them?

So, combining required training and recruitment advertising not good enough for you, eh? Need a three-fer? My, aren't you the efficient one.

Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, It is imperative that our pilots get all the training they need in the crucial task of flying low over a stadium. Without that kind of focused, mission critical training would we have ever won the battles of Saddam Hussein Field or Mullah Omar Park?

On the other hand, if we saved that money, we could hire, like, 100 more lousy, unionized teachers!

Like most shiat "our" gov does it is justified with twisted logic, is not worth what we spend, and is fiscally irresponsible. If it was worth it, businesses would already be doing it or sponsoring it.

I wonder how many people showing up at the recruiting station go, "hey i was just over at the football game and saw your flyover, can I join up and do that too?"

"If the flyovers were discontinued, I would not be at the games," Scott Flanders wrote in an email. "The fact is, without the flyover, Jaxson de Ville and a halftime show, the games today would be a bore."

Get a life and go to an airshow.

cgraves67: I disagree with Subby except in the instances of domed stadiums. Then fly-overs are pointless

Those at home still have the chance to root for a massive, catastrophic crash. Isn't that the whole point?

Philip Francis Queeg: Flowing low over a stadium in a tight formation has pretty much zero in common with modern combat. Unless they are practicing to be sitting ducks, there is little or no training value in a fly-by.

Thanks for the two cents. So, you're not in favor of close air support? That's precisely why the Marines don't trust the Air Force for that mission. Also, TOT is important to modern combat, as is precision navigation. You must have built all your hours in Flight Simulator.

Philip Francis Queeg: Farking utter bullshiat. Seriously all of those tasks could be simulated and trained in much better ways than a fly-by over a stadium.

Flowing low over a stadium in a tight formation has pretty much zero in common with modern combat. Unless they are practicing to be sitting ducks, there is little or no training value in a fly-by.

That's not trolling, that's just not accepting the bullshiat shoveled to justify wasting resources on these events.

still trolling and still stupid.

Espertron: Link (new window)

hey don't come cheaply: It cost $36,000 for six F/A-18A Hornet fighter jets -- from the Navy's Blue Angels squadron -- to fly over the University of Phoenix Stadium before the 2008 Super Bowl [source: Robbins]. (A Blue Angels press officer told the Orlando Sentinel that the cost was worth it in order to increase the Blue Angels' and the Navy's visibility [source: Robbins].)
The cost is deducted from funds used for training, but for some special services, like the Golden Knights skydiving team, the event organizer (if it's a private organization) may have to pay for lodging, meals and transportation -- up to $3,000 a day.
The military views flyovers as promotional and recruiting opportunities for the armed services. They allow ordinary citizens to see the military up close in a way that's normally not possible.
A flyover flight actually counts as training for the pilots, but with a flyover essentially consisting of a brief flight between two points, labeling it "training" could be viewed as rather generous.

Technically, many ordinary citizens get to see the military up close. Just not American citizens.

maniac64: wonder how many people showing up at the recruiting station go, "hey i was just over at the football game and saw your flyover, can I join up and do that too?"

Please don't go into advertising.

few years back i was bumping around town on chandler blvd, piont to point about 12-15 miles away from Sun Devil Stadium. I think it was a bowl game that was being hosted there. anyways, 4-5 fighter jets (most likely f-15s or whatever Luke Air Field had at the time, this being around 2005 or so) flew over me, south to north, i was like "HOLY shiat!"

then i realized the game was juuuuuuuuuuuust about to start and they'd be flying over SunDeevil Stadium right as the closing ntoes of the national anthem were ending. of course, at 250MPH or whatever they were doing, that 12 or so miles was like, 4 seconds or whatever.


/lame story bro