OMG that was a close call for all of us in this great nation. If not for these fearless police that man may have gotten away with this heinous crime.

I will, indeed, sleep safer tonight, subby.

It is high time America declares WAR on these evil untaxed Indian Reservation cigarettes.

jenlen: It is high time America declares WAR on these evil untaxed Indian Reservation cigarettes.

Is that a blanket statement?

thismomentinblackhistory: jenlen: It is high time America declares WAR on these evil untaxed Indian Reservation cigarettes.

Is that a blanket statement?

That's just how we will deal with these heathens selling their evil untaxed cigarettes!

Step 1: Infect the blankets with Smallpox!
Step 2: Distribute said blankets to the Indians
Step 3: Profit!

There, I saved Amurica.

those cops really had to reach deep into their bag of tricks to get that guy on something.

I was under the understanding that Seneca brand cigarettes, not being manufactured or sold under US soil, are not subject to tax.

cameroncrazy1984: I was under the understanding that Seneca brand cigarettes, not being manufactured or sold under US soil, are not subject to tax.

They might cut into New York's revenue stream... from what I've heard a pack costs $13.00 or more there. So, that is roughly $110 per carton in tax dollars they didn't get to swipe.

They will find a way to make it illegal.

jenlen: cameroncrazy1984: I was under the understanding that Seneca brand cigarettes, not being manufactured or sold under US soil, are not subject to tax.

They might cut into New York's revenue stream... from what I've heard a pack costs $13.00 or more there. So, that is roughly $110 per carton in tax dollars they didn't get to swipe.

They will find a way to make it illegal.

Well, here in upstate new york, it's more like $8-9 a pack. And I've never ever heard of someone being arrested for this, so I'm skeptical.

cameroncrazy1984

Indian cigarettes sold on reservations are not taxable at point of sale but the buyer may owe tax when they are taken off the reservation. A federal law requires reporting of purchases by mail. About five years ago states sent bulk buyers big bills for unpaid taxes after tribes were forced to turn them in.

Wikipedia summarizes a big fight over Indian cigarette sales in Rhode Island. Apparently the Narragansett tribe, unlike the Seneca nation, agreed to collect taxes and failed to do so.

I don't even know how checkpoints are constitutional.

Mugato: I don't even know how checkpoints are constitutional.


I sure as hell don't agree with it but I did a paper on the case that made them legal while in grad school:

Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz, 496 U.S. 444 (1990)


Also, around here (WV/KY border) people are all the time getting busted with loads of cigs that are moved from one state to another to bootleg them. The guy in question here knew he was breaking the law, I've got no problem seeing him busted.

Laugh all you want, but this is big business and there is violence associated with it.

This guy may have been small time and non-violent, but with ever-increasing taxes on cigarettes organized crime has moved into this business.

Mugato: I don't even know how checkpoints are constitutional.

It's the 'dui exception' to the constitution. No I'm not kidding; that's the actual legal term used by judges. The 4th amendment doesn't apply when a dui checkpoint is involved.

AntiNorm

I left the consent line blank on my application and got a license anyway.

Enemabag Jones

In New York if your license is suspended for a certain number of distinct reasons the crime is elevated from unlicensed operation to aggravated unlicensed operation. Usually that means you kept driving while under suspension and got a few more license suspensions for driving with a suspended license. In theory you could get a lot of suspensions from many real moving violations. More likely you were too poor to pay the fines needed to get your license back. Alternatively, you got a long suspension for one or a few acts.

AntiNorm

I made sure I didn't consent to the consent part. I think it was on a separate line you were supposed to sign separately. That part was on the back of the form. If it was on the signature line for the form in its entirety then I didn't sign the form at all, but I remember avoiding just that one section. It was about 15 years ago. I'd have to see the c. 1996 form in front of me to refresh my memory. People doing routine paperwork will see what they expect to see.

I also got a license renewal without the mandatory eye test. I looked into the machine without glasses and they said I didn't do well enough so I would have to keep the corrective lenses restriction. They did not ask me to try again with glasses on.

change1211: Weaver95: those cops really had to reach deep into their bag of tricks to get that guy on something.

Yeah, they had to look into his car. Boy, the things these characters will try to pull.

I don't get how they have the right to search in the first place assuming you were sober. You know, the reason they messed with you in the first place.