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2011-11-27 08:41:23 AM
FTFA
"Hill acknowledges her attitude is controversial and admits it needs finessing, given the fact she and Dean recently broke up."

I love how these polyamory evangelists act like they're are the first ones to discover sleeping around and then act all shocked when it doesn't work out for them.
 
2011-11-27 09:01:19 AM
She also advocates rubbing shiat into your wounds to help them heal.
 
2011-11-27 09:04:09 AM
Or you could, you know, recognize that if monogamy isn't for you then neither is marriage. There's nothing wrong with that.
 
2011-11-27 09:05:24 AM
Open relationships are the perfect solution to at least half of the things that wear down a monogamous relationship.

Unfortunately, human nature ensures they're also the perfect source of things to end a monogamous relationship for most people.
 
2011-11-27 09:11:57 AM
She's 44? I would have guessed 24. That's why I don't guess women's ages.
 
JW
2011-11-27 09:15:19 AM
Rebecca Black is giving relationship advice?
 
2011-11-27 09:16:27 AM
If you think monogamy isn't your thing, just don't get married.

This past summer I was at a wedding for a couple, he is 21 and she's 19. They haven't a) had sex b) lived in the same city together for more than 3 months and c) ever had a serious fight. I wish them the best but were I in their shoes it would feel like I was marrying a total stranger.

Unsung_Hero: Unfortunately, human nature ensures they're also the perfect source of things to end a monogamous relationship for most people.

Well said.
 
2011-11-27 09:16:39 AM
Yeah... I would never be okay with my boyfriend (or myself) getting any outside our relationship. But if that's what you AND your partner feel works for your relationship, then go for it.
 
2011-11-27 09:17:29 AM
I wouldn't say hot but I'd hit it
 
2011-11-27 09:19:06 AM
PJRart: She also advocates rubbing shiat into your wounds to help them heal.

Which is probably more sanitary than farking a husband who goes around sticking his thing in every available orifice of every available creature he can find, and with your blessing no less. Wonder how many different infections got passed around that house.

/NTTAWWT
//Your body, your choice
///Just let me know so I can avoid you like the plague ridden pestilence you are
 
2011-11-27 09:31:07 AM
It works even better if you experience infidelity together and have a threesome.

/dating a bisexual is awesome.
 
2011-11-27 09:31:47 AM
Came for the predictable matrimonial snobbery, leaving satisfied.
 
2011-11-27 09:34:38 AM
"Condoned infidelity" (ftfa) is an oxymoron. It's not infidelity if it's in an open relationship. The definition of infidelity requires an assumption of exclusivity.
 
2011-11-27 09:36:21 AM
I encourage eating chocolate and lying around on the couch for a tanner, fitter body.
 
2011-11-27 09:37:49 AM
PanicMan: She's 44? I would have guessed 24. That's why I don't guess women's ages.

If you take two decades off a woman's age, they generally don't mind you guessing.
 
2011-11-27 09:48:35 AM
I've known a few couples that tried open relationships. None of them are still together. I had some good times with a co worker because of that arrangement though. I'm a man and I really enjoy monogamy. I honestly cn't fathom why someone needs so many notches on their belt.
 
2011-11-27 09:57:43 AM
Peter von Nostrand: I wouldn't say hot but I'd hit it

I think "not fat" is the new "hot."
 
2011-11-27 10:05:36 AM
Is that the standard for "hot" in Australia?

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2011-11-27 10:06:50 AM
Chevello: I think "not fat" is the new "hot."

Hah!
 
2011-11-27 10:10:15 AM
Bookmarking
 
2011-11-27 10:10:32 AM
JW: Rebecca Black is giving relationship advice?



so glad I'm not the only person to see that
 
2011-11-27 10:11:56 AM
Well what do you know, she has a book out.

Link (new window)
 
2011-11-27 10:15:26 AM
JW: Rebecca Black is giving relationship advice?

WINNER!
 
2011-11-27 10:16:50 AM
I knew plenty of people who tried to have friends with benefits and or open relationships and they always end in flames. Someone always falls in loves, becomes jealous, etc.
 
2011-11-27 10:20:55 AM
Yea, I've had that "I love you but not I'm not in love with you" crap thrown at me once in a relationship because she got involved with someone else. I think this author is full of it.
 
2011-11-27 10:39:57 AM
stuhayes2010: I knew plenty of people who tried to have friends with benefits and or open relationships and they always end in flames. Someone always falls in loves, becomes jealous, etc.

This right here has been my observation as well.
 
2011-11-27 10:40:51 AM
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2011-11-27 10:52:23 AM
SundaesChild: stuhayes2010: I knew plenty of people who tried to have friends with benefits and or open relationships and they always end in flames. Someone always falls in loves, becomes jealous, etc.

This right here has been my observation as well.


What do you think is the success rate on ALL relationships? 40% of all marriages fail, so the figure is already looking pretty bad. What happens when we factor in all monogamous dating relationships as well? I hereby vote to make all relationships illegal, because almost all relationships end in a break-up.

By the way, who decided to measure the success of a relationship on its longevity? It's not the same with friendships. Friendships come and go all the time, and no one considers them "failed" friendships; they're just over. Why not measure it by the happiness it brings to the parties involved rather than whether it lasts until one of the people dies?
 
2011-11-27 10:56:39 AM
resources1.news.com.au

OI! Who farted y'all?
 
2011-11-27 10:59:34 AM
FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR: SundaesChild: stuhayes2010: I knew plenty of people who tried to have friends with benefits and or open relationships and they always end in flames. Someone always falls in loves, becomes jealous, etc.

This right here has been my observation as well.

What do you think is the success rate on ALL relationships? 40% of all marriages fail, so the figure is already looking pretty bad. What happens when we factor in all monogamous dating relationships as well? I hereby vote to make all relationships illegal, because almost all relationships end in a break-up.

By the way, who decided to measure the success of a relationship on its longevity? It's not the same with friendships. Friendships come and go all the time, and no one considers them "failed" friendships; they're just over. Why not measure it by the happiness it brings to the parties involved rather than whether it lasts until one of the people dies?


I can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely retarded. Long-standing relationships are generally going to be the happier ones, marriage or not. They aren't mutually exclusive.
 
2011-11-27 10:59:46 AM
Snarfangel: PanicMan: She's 44? I would have guessed 24. That's why I don't guess women's ages.

If you take two decades off a woman's age, they generally don't mind you guessing.


Or I guess two decades older. And I don't even try to guess the ages of girls around 18. That could end badly.
 
2011-11-27 11:01:03 AM
As someone who is in an open relationship, it really irks me when people call it "infidelity" or "negotiated cheating." If my fiance goes and gets a nice piece of tail with my permission, that's not being unfaithful. Cheating to me implies deception, a kind of dishonesty I don't want in my relationship. Humans aren't monogamous by nature, and to me being all "omg I can't believe you're checking out another chick" just creates a forbidden fruit scenario I really don't have the energy or desire to deal with. It's also a bonus for me because I'm bi, so the rule is, if he gets to have it, so do I.

This isn't a lifestyle for everyone; most people simply cannot handle the idea of someone else scoring on their turf. I don't think a person is wrong for that feeling; what is wrong is when your partner does not respect your feelings and does what they want anyway. Monogamous or not, respect must come first. There's no relationship without that.
 
2011-11-27 11:11:28 AM
FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR: SundaesChild: stuhayes2010: I knew plenty of people who tried to have friends with benefits and or open relationships and they always end in flames. Someone always falls in loves, becomes jealous, etc.

This right here has been my observation as well.

What do you think is the success rate on ALL relationships? 40% of all marriages fail, so the figure is already looking pretty bad. What happens when we factor in all monogamous dating relationships as well? I hereby vote to make all relationships illegal, because almost all relationships end in a break-up.

By the way, who decided to measure the success of a relationship on its longevity? It's not the same with friendships. Friendships come and go all the time, and no one considers them "failed" friendships; they're just over. Why not measure it by the happiness it brings to the parties involved rather than whether it lasts until one of the people dies?


A relationship holds a little more weight as a marriage/domestic partnership/choose your own preferred term. Joint property, children, sharing legal rights and obligations, etc. When such an arrangement crumbles both parties stand to lose what they have built up over time. It's not the same thing as two people who lead separate lives but get together frequently to bump uglies and catch a drink and a movie. It's different from the people who come in and out of your life as platonic friends too. But I disagree with your statement about failed friendships. I've lost a few good friends over the years that were pretty messy "breakups." Sometimes you can love a person but just need to have them not in your life.
 
2011-11-27 11:12:53 AM
Hardy-r-r: Well what do you know, she has a book out.

Link (new window)


And it came out over a full year ago, what's your point?
 
2011-11-27 11:17:18 AM
Peki: As someone who is in an open relationship, it really irks me when people call it "infidelity" or "negotiated cheating." If my fiance goes and gets a nice piece of tail with my permission, that's not being unfaithful. Cheating to me implies deception, a kind of dishonesty I don't want in my relationship. Humans aren't monogamous by nature, and to me being all "omg I can't believe you're checking out another chick" just creates a forbidden fruit scenario I really don't have the energy or desire to deal with. It's also a bonus for me because I'm bi, so the rule is, if he gets to have it, so do I.

This isn't a lifestyle for everyone; most people simply cannot handle the idea of someone else scoring on their turf. I don't think a person is wrong for that feeling; what is wrong is when your partner does not respect your feelings and does what they want anyway. Monogamous or not, respect must come first. There's no relationship without that.


^

The trick is making it fair. i don't mind being shared, i do mind sharing (that's the problem most people have). Unless the relationship is mostly sexual. Back in my dating days, i had a primary GF and a series of other girls i'd date/fool around with. It was the happiest year of my life. Being with one of the secondaries made my being with the primary better. Each pushed buttons the other didn't. Between them i had one perfect relationship. Then i married the primary and don't have the secondaries. Which is OK. Not great.
 
2011-11-27 11:31:19 AM
quickdraw: FTFA
"Hill acknowledges her attitude is controversial and admits it needs finessing, given the fact she and Dean recently broke up."

I love how these polyamory evangelists act like they're are the first ones to discover sleeping around and then act all shocked when it doesn't work out for them.


Its like being a whore or a male slut kind of pisses the other person off, who would have guessed? In almost every relationship, one person is more attractive than the other so that person ends up farking around while the other sits at home and does nothing, usually ending in a double murder/suicide.

Not to add to the fact that even if a woman is not the greatest looking she will still get laid because men will sleep with almost anything that drags itself up to us under her own power.
 
2011-11-27 11:34:38 AM
Peki: Humans aren't monogamous by nature

Yes, they are quit perpetuating this myth that we are animals and need to hunt for the most mates possible, its a bullshiat theory that has been dis-proven numerous times.
 
2011-11-27 11:36:23 AM
Peki: As someone who is in an open relationship, it really irks me when people call it "infidelity" or "negotiated cheating." If my fiance goes and gets a nice piece of tail with my permission, that's not being unfaithful. Cheating to me implies deception, a kind of dishonesty I don't want in my relationship. Humans aren't monogamous by nature, and to me being all "omg I can't believe you're checking out another chick" just creates a forbidden fruit scenario I really don't have the energy or desire to deal with. It's also a bonus for me because I'm bi, so the rule is, if he gets to have it, so do I.

This isn't a lifestyle for everyone; most people simply cannot handle the idea of someone else scoring on their turf. I don't think a person is wrong for that feeling; what is wrong is when your partner does not respect your feelings and does what they want anyway. Monogamous or not, respect must come first. There's no relationship without that.


So much THIS.

There are people who just cannot have an open relationship, but for those who can it's almost refreshing. If you're in a committed relationship, the relationship should not be only about sex, it's about trust and friendship. When you realize that, you can realize that monogamy is artificial and jealousy is wasted energy. And extracurricular activities are certainly not cheating.

I don't have to feel bad for for flirting with the cutie at the conference, or hooking up with her back at my hotel. Likewise, my wife doesn't have to worry about restraining herself at the party when someone is hitting on her. We give the steamy details in the morning, and it's a bit of a turn on.
 
2011-11-27 11:51:26 AM
Nickninja: I don't have to feel bad for for flirting with the cutie at the conference, or hooking up with her back at my hotel. Likewise, my wife doesn't have to worry about restraining herself at the party when someone is hitting on her. We give the steamy details in the morning, and it's a bit of a turn on.

Some people like being cuckolds, youre one of them. Just do the guy farking your wife a favor, spare him since your wife is the whore and you are the dumbass allowing her to be a whore.

Human brains are monogamous no matter what you think, otherwise jealousy would not exist at all.
 
2011-11-27 11:57:13 AM
steamingpile: Nickninja: I don't have to feel bad for for flirting with the cutie at the conference, or hooking up with her back at my hotel. Likewise, my wife doesn't have to worry about restraining herself at the party when someone is hitting on her. We give the steamy details in the morning, and it's a bit of a turn on.

Some people like being cuckolds, youre one of them. Just do the guy farking your wife a favor, spare him since your wife is the whore and you are the dumbass allowing her to be a whore.

Human brains are monogamous no matter what you think, otherwise jealousy would not exist at all.


Why do you consider the wife a whore and not him? He's sleeping around on her just as much as she is on him, presumably.
 
2011-11-27 12:13:34 PM
What's wrong with working out rules for your relationship together and sticking to them - and not telling everyone your way is the only way? Both 'monogamy is the best' and 'polyamory is healthy' evangelists gripe me - it is just what works for you. There isn't a one size fits all. What happens between consenting adult partners is between them.

I will say I hope poly amorous types are somewhat circumspect around offspring. Seen that get messy (whose baby oops) and some farked up teenagers who resent what their parents openly do, leading to peer issues. Just keep it on the down low a bit guys.

And let's just settle on the whole nasty name calling - accusing someone of whoredom over this just shows small mindedness.

/ happily monogamous with magic bloke who is happier that way top. That's what works for us.
 
2011-11-27 12:19:39 PM
steamingpile: Human brains are anti-monogamous no matter what you think, otherwise cheating would not exist at all.
 
2011-11-27 12:19:42 PM
timelady: What's wrong with working out rules for your relationship together and sticking to them - and not telling everyone your way is the only way? Both 'monogamy is the best' and 'polyamory is healthy' evangelists gripe me - it is just what works for you. There isn't a one size fits all. What happens between consenting adult partners is between them.

I will say I hope poly amorous types are somewhat circumspect around offspring. Seen that get messy (whose baby oops) and some farked up teenagers who resent what their parents openly do, leading to peer issues. Just keep it on the down low a bit guys.

And let's just settle on the whole nasty name calling - accusing someone of whoredom over this just shows small mindedness.

/ happily monogamous with magic bloke who is happier that way top. That's what works for us.


It's less judging people and more "It's not a good idea and never works" advice.
 
2011-11-27 12:21:15 PM
Unsung_Hero: Open relationships are the perfect solution to at least half of the things that wear down a monogamous relationship.

Unfortunately, human nature ensures they're also the perfect source of things to end a monogamous relationship for most people. by definition an open relationship is not monogamous.


/FTFY
 
2011-11-27 12:24:47 PM
steamingpile: Nickninja: I don't have to feel bad for for flirting with the cutie at the conference, or hooking up with her back at my hotel. Likewise, my wife doesn't have to worry about restraining herself at the party when someone is hitting on her. We give the steamy details in the morning, and it's a bit of a turn on.

Some people like being cuckolds, youre one of them. Just do the guy farking your wife a favor, spare him since your wife is the whore and you are the dumbass allowing her to be a whore.

Human brains are monogamous no matter what you think, otherwise jealousy would not exist at all.


Male brains are not, no matter what you think, otherwise the desire to fark everything we find remotely attractive regardless of our relationship status would not exist at all.

And jealousy has zip to do with being monogamous. It's about wanting your partner to be monogamous, and is to give your own offspring a better chance due to less competition.
 
2011-11-27 12:41:57 PM
SharkTrager: Unsung_Hero: Open relationships are the perfect solution to at least half of the things that wear down a monogamous relationship.

Unfortunately, human nature ensures they're also the perfect source of things to end a monogamous relationship for most people. by definition an open relationship is not monogamous.

/FTFY


You fixed nothing, your reading comprehension sucks.
 
2011-11-27 12:49:14 PM
steamingpile: Nickninja: I don't have to feel bad for for flirting with the cutie at the conference, or hooking up with her back at my hotel. Likewise, my wife doesn't have to worry about restraining herself at the party when someone is hitting on her. We give the steamy details in the morning, and it's a bit of a turn on.

Some people like being cuckolds, youre one of them. Just do the guy farking your wife a favor, spare him since your wife is the whore and you are the dumbass allowing her to be a whore.

Human brains are monogamous no matter what you think, otherwise jealousy would not exist at all.


The existence of jealousy doesnt mean that monogomy is hardwired. Jealousy exists as a driving force to get things that we dont have or protect what is ours. My wife and i just recognize that we dont need exclusive rights to each other's genitals in order to feel comfortable in our relationship. Its certainly not for everyone, but it can be very fun for all parties involved. Meaning i get just as much fun on the side as she does.

/ btw, whores get paid. We are sluts.
//que 'haters gonna hate' kid
 
2011-11-27 12:50:38 PM
Peki: Humans aren't monogamous by nature...This isn't a lifestyle for everyone; most people simply cannot handle the idea of someone else scoring on their turf.

I'm not trying to be pedantic, but if humans aren't monogamous by nature, then why doesn't polygamy work for most people? That seems pretty contradictory.
 
2011-11-27 01:15:22 PM
steamingpile: Nickninja: I don't have to feel bad for for flirting with the cutie at the conference, or hooking up with her back at my hotel. Likewise, my wife doesn't have to worry about restraining herself at the party when someone is hitting on her. We give the steamy details in the morning, and it's a bit of a turn on.

Some people like being cuckolds, youre one of them. Just do the guy farking your wife a favor, spare him since your wife is the whore and you are the dumbass allowing her to be a whore.

Human brains are monogamous no matter what you think, otherwise jealousy would not exist at all.


I know you're just trolling, but I want to reply to this anyway.

Jealousy is far broader than just sex. It's about possessions in general - jealousy that someone has something that you want. It would be more accurate to say that monogamy exists because of jealousy - one human wants another, and wants no one else to have them. Not necessarily one human wanting a single other human; you can have one person wanting to have more than one other person, just all to themselves. ie: Polygamy is just as much a reason for jealousy as monogamy. One man wants as many young nubile women as he can get, and is jealous of a man who has a woman he wants... even though he has a dozen of his own right now.

Just the same way that some humans want (X), and to keep any other humans from having (X). I might even extend the argument to say that jealousy isn't just something humans feel toward one another, but toward anything that they perceive to have something they want. People can be jealous of the love that someone gives to a pet, a love they want for themselves, for example.
 
2011-11-27 01:17:46 PM
Applying reason to emotional matters is as effective as using strong language to calm a thunderstorm.
 
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