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2011-11-26 01:47:07 PM
"Up until now, lower-priced tablet computers have been pretty unimpressive in our tests. These are the first models to give the iPad some serious competition," said Reynolds.

But the iPad is still the best option for those looking for the full tablet experience. It's pricey, starting at $499, but the big screen is great for movies and games. Plus it has a camera.


yes ric, a $500 tablet will typically have more features and better specs than a $250 tablet. good work.
 
2011-11-26 01:50:43 PM
The iPad is insanely cheap, depending on why you are buying one.
 
2011-11-26 02:01:01 PM
Both Ric, and this meme, are getting old.
cdn.abclocal.go.com
 
2011-11-26 02:24:13 PM
Our school gave us iPads after telling us that we needed laptops to go to school. They are pretty worthless at that point.
 
2011-11-26 02:28:44 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Our school gave us iPads after telling us that we needed laptops to go to school. They are pretty worthless at that point.


it depends on what you need a laptop for. my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem. i can't do it because i actually need to manipulate excel sheets and presentations. if all you are doing is consuming media or light word processing, an ipad is a great replacement.
 
2011-11-26 02:39:26 PM
I"d beat it... with a hammer.
 
2011-11-26 03:59:07 PM

thomps: Britney Spear's Speculum: Our school gave us iPads after telling us that we needed laptops to go to school. They are pretty worthless at that point.

it depends on what you need a laptop for. my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem. i can't do it because i actually need to manipulate excel sheets and presentations. if all you are doing is consuming media or light word processing, an ipad is a great replacement.


Besides it being lighter, I'm not sure what an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard provides that a netbook or small laptop can't provide. In fact, you can't multitask with an iPad. Is it the apps that make it so special?
 
2011-11-26 04:01:42 PM
So Ric took a story Consumer Reports produced and sort of re-wrote it and attached his name to it.

That's some fine reporting there, Ric.
 
2011-11-26 04:02:58 PM

HawgWild: So Ric took a story Consumer Reports produced and sort of re-wrote it and attached his name to it.

That's some fine reporting there, Ric.


Ric has by and large been okay with all the ribbing Fark does at his expense so he's cool in my book. It's nothing that different from what most TV reporters do, anyway.
 
2011-11-26 04:08:39 PM

coco ebert: thomps: Britney Spear's Speculum: Our school gave us iPads after telling us that we needed laptops to go to school. They are pretty worthless at that point.

it depends on what you need a laptop for. my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem. i can't do it because i actually need to manipulate excel sheets and presentations. if all you are doing is consuming media or light word processing, an ipad is a great replacement.

Besides it being lighter, I'm not sure what an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard provides that a netbook or small laptop can't provide. In fact, you can't multitask with an iPad. Is it the apps that make it so special?


i think he really likes the apps and the portability (which is kind of funny since he switched from a macbook air). every program we use in our business has a streamlined ipad app, most of which are better designed than their desktop counterparts. also, a growing part of our business is building custom mobile apps for enterprises, so it's probably also a bit of marketing.

i can't really speak for it myself, i mostly use mine as a directv remote and for causal gaming.
 
2011-11-26 04:24:48 PM

coco ebert: Ric has by and large been okay with all the ribbing Fark does at his expense so he's cool in my book. It's nothing that different from what most TV reporters do, anyway.


This
 
2011-11-26 04:25:07 PM
iPad is for hipsters and low-end media consumers, that's about it.
 
2011-11-26 04:31:23 PM

thomps


if all you are doing is consuming media or light word processing, an ipad is a great replacement.


This seems to be the primary use case. Doesn't work for me but a lot of people seem to like it.
 
2011-11-26 04:34:40 PM

b0rscht: Both Ric, and this meme, are getting old.


Not nearly as old as posts from people biatching about memes. Does it really bother you that damn much?
 
2011-11-26 04:38:44 PM
I'm posting this on my Toshiba Thrive while editing photos from my SLR camera memory stick inserted in the convenient SD card slot and typing on a standard USB keyboard, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

Seriously, the iPad can suck it. I got everything I need right here, twice the features for a cheaper price.
 
2011-11-26 04:38:50 PM

BarbadoSlim: iPad is for hipsters and low-end media consumers, that's about it.


As opposed to the other tablets that are for high end media, and the non-hipster crowd?
 
2011-11-26 04:40:48 PM
I have no experience with other tablet makers, but if they compare anything like PC laptops, I'll buy Apple and nothing else.

I have owned several PC laptops in my lifetime...Compaq, HP, Dell, etc...and not one of them lasted longer than 2, maybe 2 1/2 years before some major hardware breakdown occurred (usually the power supply.)

In contrast, I have owned one MacBook Pro, purchased in August of 2006. I've dropped it, spilled water on it, broken small pieces off of the frame, even caused the power adapter cable to literally burn itself into a brown, charred, melted mess...and the computer is still running great (using it right now to type this.) It's the best computer I've ever owned, no contest.
 
2011-11-26 04:41:57 PM
I'm writing this on my Nook Tablet, so I'm getting a kick... you know the drill
 
2011-11-26 04:44:03 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I'm writing this on my Nook Tablet, so I'm getting a kick... you know the drill


Oh, YEAH?! Well I'm writing this on my Nook Color with a special sd card that turns it into an Android tablet!
 
2011-11-26 04:45:16 PM
www.ipadjokes.com
 
2011-11-26 04:45:26 PM
+11 Kindle Fire
 
2011-11-26 04:47:28 PM

Arklop: I have no experience with other tablet makers, but if they compare anything like PC laptops, I'll buy Apple and nothing else.

I have owned several PC laptops in my lifetime...Compaq, HP, Dell, etc...and not one of them lasted longer than 2, maybe 2 1/2 years before some major hardware breakdown occurred (usually the power supply.)

In contrast, I have owned one MacBook Pro, purchased in August of 2006. I've dropped it, spilled water on it, broken small pieces off of the frame, even caused the power adapter cable to literally burn itself into a brown, charred, melted mess...and the computer is still running great (using it right now to type this.) It's the best computer I've ever owned, no contest.


Word
 
2011-11-26 04:49:03 PM

coco ebert: In fact, you can't multitask with an iPad


You have been able to multitask with an iPad for more than a year now.
 
2011-11-26 04:51:15 PM

thomps: yes ric, a $500 tablet will typically have more features and better specs than a $250 tablet. good work.


Laugh Romero all you want, but a large amount of the mainstream commentariat called the Kindle Fire an "iPad killer." Nevermind it's like comparing a VW to a BMW.
 
2011-11-26 04:51:56 PM

coco ebert: thomps: Britney Spear's Speculum: Our school gave us iPads after telling us that we needed laptops to go to school. They are pretty worthless at that point.

it depends on what you need a laptop for. my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem. i can't do it because i actually need to manipulate excel sheets and presentations. if all you are doing is consuming media or light word processing, an ipad is a great replacement.

Besides it being lighter, I'm not sure what an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard provides that a netbook or small laptop can't provide. In fact, you can't multitask with an iPad. Is it the apps that make it so special?


Smaller, lighter, much longer battery. Better for reading books or watching movies. No booting up. I have both, and leave my laptop on my desk at home, and surf the web with my iPad. I have a Bluetooth keyboard that is rubber and rolls up, yet still has keys. Pretty cool. Also, as someone who flies a lot, the iPad is a lot easier on a plane. I can read a book, watch a movie, then tuck it in the seat pocket in front of me. Then turn on an app that plays thunderstorm noises to drown out the crying children while I sleep.

I use the laptop only when I have to do actual work.
 
2011-11-26 04:52:45 PM

BarbadoSlim: iPad is for hipsters and low-end media consumers, that's about it.


So who's buying the other 7 million iPads every quarter?
 
2011-11-26 04:53:09 PM
It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.
 
2011-11-26 04:55:17 PM
iThings are still toys.
 
2011-11-26 04:56:32 PM

thomps: i think he really likes the apps and the portability (which is kind of funny since he switched from a macbook air). every program we use in our business has a streamlined ipad app, most of which are better designed than their desktop counterparts.


What industry are you in that uses custom designed iPad apps?

As a business tool to replace laptops, I am having a hard time finding the value in the iPad at this point. And it's not just that it has almost zero Enterprise management and control capabilities. If you have trouble with Excel on the iPad, even with a keyboard, isn't that a big indicator of its lack of functionality? The executives at my company are all clamoring for iPads and iPhones and I have yet to hear one reason why they need them. I'm pretty sure it's because their peers at other companies have them and they're embarassed by their old school Blackberries and laptops, but damnit, they actually do something.
 
2011-11-26 04:57:30 PM

bubbaprog: coco ebert: In fact, you can't multitask with an iPad

You have been able to multitask with an iPad for more than a year now.


My bad. I didn't know that.
 
2011-11-26 04:57:53 PM

Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.


Not sure if serious....
 
2011-11-26 04:58:19 PM

Arklop: I have no experience with other tablet makers, but if they compare anything like PC laptops, I'll buy Apple and nothing else.

I have owned several PC laptops in my lifetime...Compaq, HP, Dell, etc...and not one of them lasted longer than 2, maybe 2 1/2 years before some major hardware breakdown occurred (usually the power supply.)

In contrast, I have owned one MacBook Pro, purchased in August of 2006. I've dropped it, spilled water on it, broken small pieces off of the frame, even caused the power adapter cable to literally burn itself into a brown, charred, melted mess...and the computer is still running great (using it right now to type this.) It's the best computer I've ever owned, no contest.


Were the other laptops you're comparing it to equally as expensive or were they low end models? Nowadays a $1,000 non apple (or alienware for that matter) laptop is far better value than a $1,000 apple laptop. Especially since apple pretty much uses the same parts as everyone else now.

Many people seem to like to compare their high priced apple gear to low end non apple gear and proclaim that apple is victorious. I don't know if you're guilty of that, but it's damn common across this series of tubes.
 
2011-11-26 05:01:19 PM

Arklop: I have no experience with other tablet makers, but if they compare anything like PC laptops, I'll buy Apple and nothing else.

I have owned several PC laptops in my lifetime...Compaq, HP, Dell, etc...and not one of them lasted longer than 2, maybe 2 1/2 years before some major hardware breakdown occurred (usually the power supply.)

In contrast, I have owned one MacBook Pro, purchased in August of 2006. I've dropped it, spilled water on it, broken small pieces off of the frame, even caused the power adapter cable to literally burn itself into a brown, charred, melted mess...and the computer is still running great (using it right now to type this.) It's the best computer I've ever owned, no contest.


I guess it's a better buy if you regularly beat the sh*t out of your laptop. I have a Dell and an HP that are both over five years old at this point, pretty heavily used, and they both work fine. And both of them combined ran up a price tag of a little over half of what a Macbook Pro costs.
 
2011-11-26 05:01:57 PM

Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.


So in other words, Apple isn't going anywhere. Apple's premise that "it just works" is what appeals to people who feel like traditional PCs are over their head. Despite personal computer sales exploding since the mid-90's and nearly everyone having at least one in their home, the vast majority of computer users still don't know anything about technology. That's why places like Geek Squad are raking in the cash and why devices like tablets exist in the first place. A technologically savvy person would easily see that an ultraportable laptop does much more than a tablet.
 
2011-11-26 05:03:04 PM

Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.


Look, I'm not a huge Apple fan or anything (though my iPod Touch has become my go everywhere smartphone substitute), and think that Android is the better system with more freedom and versitility. But to say that they are going to put Apple out of business is just silly.

Be it by sleek design or sleek advertising, they know how to self a product. They have a pretty hardcore cult that will buy three of everything and more people know any "tablet" as an "iPad." Kind of like how our parents used to call any video game system they saw a "Nintendo" no matter if it was a Sega or PlayStation. You reach that level of market recognition only held by people like Band-aid, Kleenex, or Q-Tips, then you're almost guarenteed to keep going for a while.
 
2011-11-26 05:03:20 PM
Digital Communist:Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology..

Translation: Apple products are technology for most of the people on the planet.

/It's true for many things.
//My MBP, though, is perfectly fine for people who know plenty about technology.
 
2011-11-26 05:03:28 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Arklop: I have no experience with other tablet makers, but if they compare anything like PC laptops, I'll buy Apple and nothing else.

I have owned several PC laptops in my lifetime...Compaq, HP, Dell, etc...and not one of them lasted longer than 2, maybe 2 1/2 years before some major hardware breakdown occurred (usually the power supply.)

In contrast, I have owned one MacBook Pro, purchased in August of 2006. I've dropped it, spilled water on it, broken small pieces off of the frame, even caused the power adapter cable to literally burn itself into a brown, charred, melted mess...and the computer is still running great (using it right now to type this.) It's the best computer I've ever owned, no contest.

Were the other laptops you're comparing it to equally as expensive or were they low end models? Nowadays a $1,000 non apple (or alienware for that matter) laptop is far better value than a $1,000 apple laptop. Especially since apple pretty much uses the same parts as everyone else now.

Many people seem to like to compare their high priced apple gear to low end non apple gear and proclaim that apple is victorious. I don't know if you're guilty of that, but it's damn common across this series of tubes.


They talk about service and warranties, but I don't give a damn. Dealing with warranty repair is entirely too painful for me. I don't WANT a warranty anymore. If it breaks, I'll either buy a new one or buy a replacement part on eBay and install it myself instead of sending it off for weeks while arguing with their support line, having been told they never got it, being told the damage was my fault anyways so it's not covered, and when it comes back you find that something ELSE is broken which WASN'T EVEN BROKEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
 
2011-11-26 05:04:34 PM

Digital Communist: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.


i44.tinypic.com

i42.tinypic.com
 
2011-11-26 05:05:17 PM

RobertBruce: iThings are still toys.


HP Slate. Win 7. Runs business apps.

To be fair, I turned off a bunch of unnecessary services and features to get better speed.
 
2011-11-26 05:06:02 PM

HawgWild: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I'm writing this on my Nook Tablet, so I'm getting a kick... you know the drill

Oh, YEAH?! Well I'm writing this on my Nook Color with a special sd card that turns it into an Android tablet!


I'm getting that for someone I have a thing for this christmas, so kick, etc.
 
2011-11-26 05:06:49 PM

RentalMetard: I guess it's a better buy if you regularly beat the sh*t out of your laptop. I have a Dell and an HP that are both over five years old at this point, pretty heavily used, and they both work fine. And both of them combined ran up a price tag of a little over half of what a Macbook Pro costs.


I prefer to go the other way and buy a netbook. About $400, does what I need it to do for a travel-computer, and doesn't have the drawbacks of a tablet. Plus, if it breaks, it's only a $400 computer.
 
2011-11-26 05:07:12 PM

valkore: Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.

So in other words, Apple isn't going anywhere. Apple's premise that "it just works" is what appeals to people who feel like traditional PCs are over their head. Despite personal computer sales exploding since the mid-90's and nearly everyone having at least one in their home, the vast majority of computer users still don't know anything about technology. That's why places like Geek Squad are raking in the cash and why devices like tablets exist in the first place. A technologically savvy person would easily see that an ultraportable laptop does much more than a tablet.


I work at a large IT company, and most who don't run Linux love Apple stuff. When we give away iPads in contests everyone wants one.
 
2011-11-26 05:08:27 PM

Shadowknight: Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.

Look, I'm not a huge Apple fan or anything (though my iPod Touch has become my go everywhere smartphone substitute), and think that Android is the better system with more freedom and versitility. But to say that they are going to put Apple out of business is just silly.

Be it by sleek design or sleek advertising, they know how to self a product. They have a pretty hardcore cult that will buy three of everything and more people know any "tablet" as an "iPad." Kind of like how our parents used to call any video game system they saw a "Nintendo" no matter if it was a Sega or PlayStation. You reach that level of market recognition only held by people like Band-aid, Kleenex, or Q-Tips, then you're almost guarenteed to keep going for a while.


You are right... it was only after I posted that I realized that marketing is more powerful than actual value.
 
2011-11-26 05:09:00 PM

Oznog: They talk about service and warranties, but I don't give a damn. Dealing with warranty repair is entirely too painful for me. I don't WANT a warranty anymore. If it breaks, I'll either buy a new one or buy a replacement part on eBay and install it myself instead of sending it off for weeks while arguing with their support line, having been told they never got it, being told the damage was my fault anyways so it's not covered, and when it comes back you find that something ELSE is broken which WASN'T EVEN BROKEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.


I used to do Counter Ops for Geek Squad. Ok, laugh all you like but my guys were actually good. Anyway, the repair centers used to pull that shiat on us. Luckily my manager didn't like having his customers screwed over and biatched the repair centers out on a regular basis.
 
2011-11-26 05:09:53 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: The iPad is insanely cheap, depending on why you are buying one.


$500 to act smug? I can do that for free.
 
2011-11-26 05:11:04 PM

CruJones: When we give away iPads in contests everyone wants one.


If someone were giving away an 8GB flash drive in a contest I'd want one. Or a pomegranate. The popularity of something being given away for free isn't a great measure.
 
2011-11-26 05:11:15 PM

CruJones: I work at a large IT company, and most who don't run Linux love Apple stuff. When we give away iPads in contests everyone wants one.


Sure, they're great personal toys, but I'm still not sure what they do for a business at this point, more specifically as a laptop replacement. As a task specific tool where you are walking around and interacting with customers (as an example), I can see its appeal... but not for general business use.
 
2011-11-26 05:11:21 PM

valkore: What industry are you in that uses custom designed iPad apps?


we develop around all of their existing back-end systems, mostly to support on-site or traveling employees. you can build some fairly powerful sales/marketing tools to put in front of b2b clients, doing everything from showing marketing materials, real-time supply-chain views, to placing orders, getting signatures and emailing off the completed PO, all on a really portable device.

i do a lot of work with excel so it's not a solution for me, but our sales guys love it. they plug it in to a client's projector, run through a quick keynote presentation then pull up a whiteboarding app to discuss potential solutions. then when they're done they can save and email the whiteboard to everyone in the room.

i don't want to come across as a huge ipad evangelist; like i said, it doesn't add a ton of value to my life. but there are some really interesting enterprise use-cases with demonstrable ROI.
 
2011-11-26 05:11:51 PM

CruJones: I work at a large IT company, and most who don't run Linux love Apple stuff. When we give away iPads in contests everyone wants one.


Hell, I would too. If I won I'd sell that thing on eBay and buy something useful.
 
2011-11-26 05:14:35 PM

thomps: my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem.


I know I can't get a response from you since this was posted several hours ago, but maybe someone else knows. How do you use an external keyboard with an iPad? Do you lean the iPad up against something so you can see the screen, or do you have to lay it flat on a table and stare down at it while you're typing?
 
2011-11-26 05:14:45 PM
I'm not getting a tablet until I can multi-task (6-8 apps open and visible at once) with it.... y'know, actual work instead of just dicking around. For that, I need 2+ screens of room and a separate interface device (keyboard/mouse/etc.).

Until then, the tablet is nothing but a portable television.
 
2011-11-26 05:15:12 PM
I ordered an ipad yesterday with apple's black friday discount knocking $41 off. Decent deal. It'll be used to replace a desktop computer that was only being used for web and e-mail. Also, I can use it as a portfolio for demo'ing to clients so it's a nice business deduction.

I looked at other tablets, but apps are more plentiful on the ipad (especially portfolio), and the price for the hardware specs is reasonable.

I wouldn't use it as a laptop replacement though. It's a lightweight computer- comparable to a late 90's PC specwise. It won't be terribly useful for much more than light entertainment and general surfing. I decided to go the tablet route when I found myself using my iphone to browse rather than getting up and turning on the laptop.
 
2011-11-26 05:15:16 PM

Shadowknight: Be it by sleek design or sleek advertising, they know how to self a product. They have a pretty hardcore cult that will buy three of everything and more people know any "tablet" as an "iPad."


Except that I hear lots of people calling their iPhones and iPads the name "iTouch". That must cause no end of ire to the Apple marketing folks.
 
2011-11-26 05:15:40 PM

valkore: thomps: i think he really likes the apps and the portability (which is kind of funny since he switched from a macbook air). every program we use in our business has a streamlined ipad app, most of which are better designed than their desktop counterparts.

What industry are you in that uses custom designed iPad apps?

As a business tool to replace laptops, I am having a hard time finding the value in the iPad at this point. And it's not just that it has almost zero Enterprise management and control capabilities. If you have trouble with Excel on the iPad, even with a keyboard, isn't that a big indicator of its lack of functionality? The executives at my company are all clamoring for iPads and iPhones and I have yet to hear one reason why they need them. I'm pretty sure it's because their peers at other companies have them and they're embarassed by their old school Blackberries and laptops, but damnit, they actually do something.


It's all about looking cool in the first class airport lounge. Nothing more.

/work in corporate IT.
//Own a few Apple devices myself
///but not for enterprise apps
 
2011-11-26 05:16:06 PM

coco ebert: Besides it being lighter, I'm not sure what an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard provides that a netbook or small laptop can't provide. In fact, you can't multitask with an iPad. Is it the apps that make it so special?


For business, the iPad isn't really a computer replacement so much as a clipboard replacement. Viewing PDFs or blueprints, reviewing documents and marking them up for editing, entering info into various forms, acting as a mobile point-of-sale system, etc. Basically it is great for the types of tasks where you are going to be walking around working with documents, as opposed to a laptop where you need to sit down somewhere and type in stuff. Sure, you can always get a convertible tablet but those are generally heavier and the Windows UI still just doesn't work that great with touchscreen compared to an iPad or Android tablet.

When light and thin ARM-based Win 8 tablets are available in a year or two, the iPad may have some major competition for that space, but for now it's really the best choice for the job if you need a "smart clipboard".
 
2011-11-26 05:16:13 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: thomps: my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem.

I know I can't get a response from you since this was posted several hours ago, but maybe someone else knows. How do you use an external keyboard with an iPad? Do you lean the iPad up against something so you can see the screen, or do you have to lay it flat on a table and stare down at it while you're typing?


They usually either find something to lean it up against or buy a stand for it. At that point you might as well just use a laptop/netbook.
 
2011-11-26 05:16:35 PM

valkore: Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.

So in other words, Apple isn't going anywhere. Apple's premise that "it just works" is what appeals to people who feel like traditional PCs are over their head. Despite personal computer sales exploding since the mid-90's and nearly everyone having at least one in their home, the vast majority of computer users still don't know anything about technology. That's why places like Geek Squad are raking in the cash and why devices like tablets exist in the first place. A technologically savvy person would easily see that an ultraportable laptop does much more than a tablet.


Apple's premise that it just works applies equally to android systems. The reason Apple stuff worked better in the past is because the platforms are closed and strictly controlled, not because their technology is better.

You seem to be under the impression that Apple are the only company that produces tablets... you realize there are far more Android based tablets than Apple, right?
 
2011-11-26 05:16:52 PM
At work, we have a Xoom tablet. It's really unimpressive, especially for the price tag ($400!!)

It's twice as thick as an iPad 2, most of the software is sluggish and doesn't have a consistent look and feel. Worst part is, nobody in the office was able to find a way to make it check two GMail accounts. Seeing as how everyone in the office has more than one GMail account, that's a deal breaker.

/Professional Linux application developer
//Run all 3 major platforms at home
 
2011-11-26 05:18:17 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: thomps: my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem.

I know I can't get a response from you since this was posted several hours ago, but maybe someone else knows. How do you use an external keyboard with an iPad? Do you lean the iPad up against something so you can see the screen, or do you have to lay it flat on a table and stare down at it while you're typing?


his has a little wedge in the top of the keyboard where you insert the ipad to sit upright. when you're not using it, the keyboard goes over the ipad to act as a hard cover.
 
2011-11-26 05:18:24 PM
thomps


i don't want to come across as a huge ipad evangelist; like i said, it doesn't add a ton of value to my life. but there are some really interesting enterprise use-cases with demonstrable ROI.


Genuine question: how many of those are unique to the iPad?
 
2011-11-26 05:19:22 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: They usually either find something to lean it up against or buy a stand for it. At that point you might as well just use a laptop/netbook.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's like you just bought most the components of a laptop separately, then you have to kludge them all together.
 
2011-11-26 05:19:50 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: thomps: my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem.

I know I can't get a response from you since this was posted several hours ago, but maybe someone else knows. How do you use an external keyboard with an iPad? Do you lean the iPad up against something so you can see the screen, or do you have to lay it flat on a table and stare down at it while you're typing?


Proping it up works, or having one of the case/covers that fold up into a stand work even better.
 
2011-11-26 05:20:49 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: thomps: my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem.

I know I can't get a response from you since this was posted several hours ago, but maybe someone else knows. How do you use an external keyboard with an iPad? Do you lean the iPad up against something so you can see the screen, or do you have to lay it flat on a table and stare down at it while you're typing?


I ordered this.

If you have a smartcover, it can also be used to prop up the device.

Apple also makes a stand. The logitech works out slightly cheaper than apple's keyboard + stand combo. I also think apple's stand only works in portrait orientation (might be wrong)
 
2011-11-26 05:21:29 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: thomps


i don't want to come across as a huge ipad evangelist; like i said, it doesn't add a ton of value to my life. but there are some really interesting enterprise use-cases with demonstrable ROI.


Genuine question: how many of those are unique to the iPad?


i'm not a developer so i can't speak to specifics, but my understanding is that there really are none. presumably you could develop all of them for android (although we do seem to get a lot of objections related to android's security) or the playbook, but ipad has like 80% of the enterprise tablet market so most of our stuff is done on iOS.
 
2011-11-26 05:21:53 PM

Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.


Apple has never really been about anything other than looking cool, has it?

Well, in the past decade.

LOL at the guy saying he would only buy Apple macbooks.
 
2011-11-26 05:21:54 PM

valkore: CruJones: I work at a large IT company, and most who don't run Linux love Apple stuff. When we give away iPads in contests everyone wants one.

Sure, they're great personal toys, but I'm still not sure what they do for a business at this point, more specifically as a laptop replacement. As a task specific tool where you are walking around and interacting with customers (as an example), I can see its appeal... but not for general business use.


I can do 95% of my work on it. Much easier to to travel with. And I'm not an Apple fanboy. My laptop and desktop are both Windows. My executives can do 100% of their daily work on one. They have desktops for other stuff. I don't use it as a pure laptop replacement, more of a supplement. I won't read a book on a laptop. Almost all of my work is "in the cloud" so I can VPN with it and do most everything when traveling. It's also easier when sitting on a couch. Which is an activity I really enjoy.
 
2011-11-26 05:23:14 PM

MrEricSir: Worst part is, nobody in the office was able to find a way to make it check two GMail accounts. Seeing as how everyone in the office has more than one GMail account, that's a deal breaker.


The way that Gmail is handled via a separate app that is in no way integrated with the main email UI is one of the biggest issues I have with Android. I know they have all sorts of cool features that are special to Gmail they want to support, but surely they could have done it with an all-encompassing email app with a standardized UI, like on iOS and Windows Phone.
 
2011-11-26 05:24:47 PM

MrEricSir: At work, we have a Xoom tablet. It's really unimpressive, especially for the price tag ($400!!)

It's twice as thick as an iPad 2, most of the software is sluggish and doesn't have a consistent look and feel. Worst part is, nobody in the office was able to find a way to make it check two GMail accounts. Seeing as how everyone in the office has more than one GMail account, that's a deal breaker.

/Professional Linux application developer
//Run all 3 major platforms at home


You are a linux application developer? FOSS stuff? And you think the iPad is a great technology to support? Please elaborate...
 
2011-11-26 05:25:04 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: CtrlAltDestroy: They usually either find something to lean it up against or buy a stand for it. At that point you might as well just use a laptop/netbook.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's like you just bought most the components of a laptop separately, then you have to kludge them all together.


More or less. Some tablet keyboards have stands built in but that just increases the bulk and is still something extra to buy and transport. I'm a fan of my HP Mini for mobile computing. Plus I paid $125 for it off craigslist with the extended battery. Lucky deal and does what I need it to. It also lets me play WoW when I'm done working too.
 
2011-11-26 05:25:04 PM

valkore: And it's not just that it has almost zero Enterprise management and control capabilities.


Much more than zero. It's just that they're hidden by the fact that you have to buy third party MDM servers to do it. They plugin to the policies you push down with the iphone configuration utility. You can do even more if you get some completely independent solutions to manage the devices.
I wish there was an Apple built-in way to do it, but they've stayed out of the morass, which is good considering the headaches that they've caused with their volume licensing schemes. The simple fact is that from year-to-year per-device app licensing is going to be a pain. However, iOS5 and the wireless updating is very nifty; can't wait to see how it'll cause the sync servers to melt down.

/i do education, not business.
//kinda enterprise.
 
2011-11-26 05:25:44 PM

Mad_Radhu: MrEricSir: Worst part is, nobody in the office was able to find a way to make it check two GMail accounts. Seeing as how everyone in the office has more than one GMail account, that's a deal breaker.

The way that Gmail is handled via a separate app that is in no way integrated with the main email UI is one of the biggest issues I have with Android. I know they have all sorts of cool features that are special to Gmail they want to support, but surely they could have done it with an all-encompassing email app with a standardized UI, like on iOS and Windows Phone.


i have an android phone and link two gmail accounts to my gmail app (which itself integrates really well into my contacts and other apps), so i don't get this issue, is it just because it's not the vanilla email app?
 
2011-11-26 05:25:58 PM

Shadowknight: I'm posting this on my Toshiba Thrive while editing photos from my SLR camera memory stick inserted in the convenient SD card slot and typing on a standard USB keyboard, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

Seriously, the iPad can suck it. I got everything I need right here, twice the features for a cheaper price.


Fancy SLR you got there which takes an SD card. LOL
 
2011-11-26 05:26:20 PM

Digital Communist: You seem to be under the impression that Apple are the only company that produces tablets... you realize there are far more Android based tablets than Apple, right?


CNN has this problem as well. They use the terms Ipone/Ipad as generic terms as if there were no other manufacturers. I swear apple is paying them a kickback.
 
2011-11-26 05:27:46 PM

Digital Communist: You seem to be under the impression that Apple are the only company that produces tablets... you realize there are far more Android based tablets than Apple, right?


You seem to be under the impression that all those Android-based tablets are making any sort of a dent in the tablet marketplace. I'm no Apple lover, but when the iPad is burying the competition for 2 years now, Apple's doing something right and Android is doing something seriously wrong.
 
2011-11-26 05:29:40 PM

Rootus: Shadowknight: I'm posting this on my Toshiba Thrive while editing photos from my SLR camera memory stick inserted in the convenient SD card slot and typing on a standard USB keyboard, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

Seriously, the iPad can suck it. I got everything I need right here, twice the features for a cheaper price.

Fancy SLR you got there which takes an SD card. LOL


I just got it last week, just now getting it to upgrade from the old point and clicks. It's a starter, not a professional camera by any means. Just a way to get me used going in the direction of actual photagraphy.
 
2011-11-26 05:30:16 PM

MrEricSir: At work, we have a Xoom tablet. It's really unimpressive, especially for the price tag ($400!!)

It's twice as thick as an iPad 2, most of the software is sluggish and doesn't have a consistent look and feel. Worst part is, nobody in the office was able to find a way to make it check two GMail accounts. Seeing as how everyone in the office has more than one GMail account, that's a deal breaker.

/Professional Linux application developer
//Run all 3 major platforms at home


You're a professional Linux app developer and you couldn't figure out how to add two gmail accounts in Android? Wow.

Settings --> Accounts & Sync --> ADD ACCOUNT
 
2011-11-26 05:30:42 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: LouDobbsAwaaaay: thomps: my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem.

I know I can't get a response from you since this was posted several hours ago, but maybe someone else knows. How do you use an external keyboard with an iPad? Do you lean the iPad up against something so you can see the screen, or do you have to lay it flat on a table and stare down at it while you're typing?

They usually either find something to lean it up against or buy a stand for it. At that point you might as well just use a laptop/netbook.



No, you (or I, as I did this), buy the stand and keyboard for when you want to type out something lengthy like an e-mail or something textual, but otherwise want to use it as a touchscreen tablet.

Netbook/laptop is interfaced with differently. You're still mousing around, which is largely unnecessary except for some rare instances where a mouse is a preferable interface to touch.
 
2011-11-26 05:33:12 PM

LeoffDaGrate: Digital Communist: You seem to be under the impression that Apple are the only company that produces tablets... you realize there are far more Android based tablets than Apple, right?

You seem to be under the impression that all those Android-based tablets are making any sort of a dent in the tablet marketplace. I'm no Apple lover, but when the iPad is burying the competition for 2 years now, Apple's doing something right and Android is doing something seriously wrong.


And that is the unfortunate reality. Apple is nothing more than marketing, but Google is no slacker like Microsoft has been the last decade (and they are way better engineers).

The bottom line is this: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology.
 
2011-11-26 05:33:19 PM

thomps


i'm not a developer so i can't speak to specifics, but my understanding is that there really are none. presumably you could develop all of them for android (although we do seem to get a lot of objections related to android's security) or the playbook, but ipad has like 80% of the enterprise tablet market so most of our stuff is done on iOS.


Let's expand the idea a little. What makes a tablet a more attractive platform for these tasks compared to netbooks, high-end (or even low-end) laptops, or other Apple machines specifically?

I'm seeing a lot of people now defaulting to tablets for a lot of tasks but I'm not sure why (beyond the tendency to believe new=better).
 
2011-11-26 05:36:32 PM

WxAxGxS: MrEricSir: At work, we have a Xoom tablet. It's really unimpressive, especially for the price tag ($400!!)

It's twice as thick as an iPad 2, most of the software is sluggish and doesn't have a consistent look and feel. Worst part is, nobody in the office was able to find a way to make it check two GMail accounts. Seeing as how everyone in the office has more than one GMail account, that's a deal breaker.

/Professional Linux application developer
//Run all 3 major platforms at home

You're a professional Linux app developer and you couldn't figure out how to add two gmail accounts in Android? Wow.

Settings --> Accounts & Sync --> ADD ACCOUNT


I was also wondering where the trip up was. It was easy as shiat on my wife's phone.
 
2011-11-26 05:37:35 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Were the other laptops you're comparing it to equally as expensive or were they low end models? Nowadays a $1,000 non apple (or alienware for that matter) laptop is far better value than a $1,000 apple laptop. Especially since apple pretty much uses the same parts as everyone else now.

Many people seem to like to compare their high priced apple gear to low end non apple gear and proclaim that apple is victorious. I don't know if you're guilty of that, but it's damn common across this series of tubes.


The first one I ever purchased was a Compaq...eh, Presario, I think, in 1997. It was about $2800 and died by the end of '99. I don't recall the details of the others except the last one which was a large-screen HP Pavilion purchased in January 2005. I paid somewhere between $2000-$2500 for it and by mid 2006, I had to tape-up the power adapter cable and hold the connector to one side for it to charge.

The MacBook Pro was about $2400-$2600 (a little extra because I opted for a faster hard drive) plus whatever I paid for a replacement power adapter ($100 maybe?)


RentalMetard: I guess it's a better buy if you regularly beat the sh*t out of your laptop. I have a Dell and an HP that are both over five years old at this point, pretty heavily used, and they both work fine. And both of them combined ran up a price tag of a little over half of what a Macbook Pro costs.


The important point here is that I didn't beat up the PC laptops (I don't recall ever dropping one, or spilling water on one until the Mac), yet they still failed in less than half the current lifespan of my MacBook. And I'm not saying all PC laptops fail in less than 3 years. I'm saying all PC laptops I've owned have failed within 3 years. Maybe all the ones I had were just cheaply-made, overpriced junk.*shrug*
 
2011-11-26 05:37:38 PM

Shadowknight: Rootus: Shadowknight: I'm posting this on my Toshiba Thrive while editing photos from my SLR camera memory stick inserted in the convenient SD card slot and typing on a standard USB keyboard, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

Seriously, the iPad can suck it. I got everything I need right here, twice the features for a cheaper price.

Fancy SLR you got there which takes an SD card. LOL

I just got it last week, just now getting it to upgrade from the old point and clicks. It's a starter, not a professional camera by any means. Just a way to get me used going in the direction of actual photagraphy.


How are you liking the Toshiba Thrive. Want to get my wife a tablet for Christmas and was settling on the Thrive. All she really uses it for is multimedia with a little bit of productivity tossed in. The Thrive looks like one of the best I've seen with the large SD card slot and all the USB connects. Plus Android is a huge plus for me.
 
2011-11-26 05:37:42 PM

Digital Communist: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology.


That's what folks like you like to tell yourself to feel better. Whatever helps you feel superior :).
 
2011-11-26 05:38:26 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: thomps

i'm not a developer so i can't speak to specifics, but my understanding is that there really are none. presumably you could develop all of them for android (although we do seem to get a lot of objections related to android's security) or the playbook, but ipad has like 80% of the enterprise tablet market so most of our stuff is done on iOS.


Let's expand the idea a little. What makes a tablet a more attractive platform for these tasks compared to netbooks, high-end (or even low-end) laptops, or other Apple machines specifically?

I'm seeing a lot of people now defaulting to tablets for a lot of tasks but I'm not sure why (beyond the tendency to believe new=better).


i think the portability, speed and ease of use (for non-intsentive tasks) is a big part of it. a lot of the time it's replacing, not laptops, but binders and briefcases that people were taking with them in the field.
 
2011-11-26 05:40:49 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: thomps

i'm not a developer so i can't speak to specifics, but my understanding is that there really are none. presumably you could develop all of them for android (although we do seem to get a lot of objections related to android's security) or the playbook, but ipad has like 80% of the enterprise tablet market so most of our stuff is done on iOS.


Let's expand the idea a little. What makes a tablet a more attractive platform for these tasks compared to netbooks, high-end (or even low-end) laptops, or other Apple machines specifically?

I'm seeing a lot of people now defaulting to tablets for a lot of tasks but I'm not sure why (beyond the tendency to believe new=better).



Not so much tablets, but touchscreens. The tablet is a natural form factor for a portable touchscreen. There's really no reason to use a mouse as touchscreen technology has evolved to an affordable, high resolution level. And for portability, a touchscreen is best since you don't need a separate interface to manipulate with an entire hand as you position a cursor. Try standing, holding a device in one hand and move a cursor around with another...awkward.

I'm a heavy photoshop user (on my laptop), but in there I'm using a pen tablet. Wacom has made for years actual tablet devices that you can draw directly on the screen with, though they have been very expensive. There's really no reason to even have a mouse anymore.
 
2011-11-26 05:41:00 PM

TheDirtyNacho: No, you (or I, as I did this), buy the stand and keyboard for when you want to type out something lengthy like an e-mail or something textual, but otherwise want to use it as a touchscreen tablet.

Netbook/laptop is interfaced with differently. You're still mousing around, which is largely unnecessary except for some rare instances where a mouse is a preferable interface to touch.


I kinda prefer a mouse when using things like Excel. For me, at least, a mobile computer should have all the functionality of my main one although less powerful. I like having a full OS on the go. I use my smartphone for little things like short emails or quickly viewing documents. I want a mobile computer for everything beyond what I can do with my phone. Having what amounts to a 4x larger smartphone that can't make calls (outside of skype) in addition to my phone seems to pointless to me. And as far as touchscreen typing goes, I find a 7" tablet far more comfortable to type on than a 10".
 
2011-11-26 05:43:46 PM
meh, my wife and i have both the Ipad and samsung galaxy tab, like the samsung MUCH better
 
2011-11-26 05:44:35 PM

thomps


i think the portability, speed and ease of use (for non-intsentive tasks) is a big part of it. a lot of the time it's replacing, not laptops, but binders and briefcases that people were taking with them in the field.


Similar to the ebook reader vs a bag-o'books - makes sense.

On the flip side, tablets [to me] seem to be a subpar tool for content creation. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Anyway, thanks for the civil conversation. :-)
 
2011-11-26 05:45:25 PM

b0rscht: Both Ric, and this meme, are getting old.
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I'll bet he still pulls in the poon with that pornstache though.
 
2011-11-26 05:47:05 PM
I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them. The Ipad2 on the other hand...

/typing this on said Touchpad
 
2011-11-26 05:47:48 PM
All of these products are a solution searching for a problem - in other words, they're great for a few specialized tasks but otherwise useful only as a social statement... and a pretty weak one at that.
 
2011-11-26 05:48:37 PM
blueviagrapill.com
 
2011-11-26 05:49:00 PM

Arklop: The first one I ever purchased was a Compaq...eh, Presario, I think, in 1997. It was about $2800 and died by the end of '99. I don't recall the details of the others except the last one which was a large-screen HP Pavilion purchased in January 2005. I paid somewhere between $2000-$2500 for it and by mid 2006, I had to tape-up the power adapter cable and hold the connector to one side for it to charge.

The MacBook Pro was about $2400-$2600 (a little extra because I opted for a faster hard drive) plus whatever I paid for a replacement power adapter ($100 maybe?)


Fair enough. Things are different today. Avoid the bottom of the barrel laptops and most hold up fine. Up until a flood killed it I had an HP that was running on 7 years.

Apple uses many of the same parts as everyone else but for twice the cost. You can't even get an apple laptop for less than $1,000. Spec for spec compare a macbook pro with something from the competition. The cost difference is huge.
 
2011-11-26 05:49:51 PM

Digital Communist: The bottom line is this: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology.


That's funny, because most of the people I work -- and have worked with in the past -- have been software developers who own iPhones and MacBooks.
 
2011-11-26 05:50:02 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Digital Communist: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.

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Well, that's very stylish.
 
2011-11-26 05:50:06 PM
It's true that MacBook Pros are unusually sturdy. Well-built laptops are rare because few people want to pay for them. They exist, though. ThinkPads, for example, are damned tough, and you'll never feel anxious about picking one up by the corner or dropping your bag accidentally.

Where MacBook Pros are severely lacking is ergonomics. Steve Jobs is famous for lecturing people on the fact that design is about aesthetics and ergonomics, but Apple's laptop division never got the memo. MacBook Pros have a sharp front edge that digs into your wrists and very short key travel. Anyone sitting in a cafe with a MacBook Pro either doesn't type much (so much for that Great American Novel) or is wishing they had a better laptop (that's me) or is perfectly happy looking cool at the cost of a little discomfort (corset, anyone?) ThinkPads have great keyboards and are comfortable to type on for hours at a time.

Another problem with MacBooks -- which is by no means limited to Apples -- is that you have to be careful where you sit because of the damned glossy screen. Those pictures posted by CtrlAltDestroy? Those Mac users are sitting against the wall because if they sit anywhere else, they'll be leaning and slouching and scooting their chair trying to find an angle that minimizes the reflections. That isn't even a matter of aesthetics over ergonomics, it's a matter of third-party aesthetics being more important than what the user sees. I used to love sitting outside at coffee shops when the weather was good, but I don't try it anymore with my MacBook Pro, because the reflections make it almost impossible to find a good place to sit, and then when the sun moves or the clouds shift you may have to get up and move. This is a universal problem with low-end laptops, but I blame Apple because they're the ones who made it seem cool.
 
2011-11-26 05:50:16 PM

TheDirtyNacho


I'm a heavy photoshop user (on my laptop), but in there I'm using a pen tablet. Wacom has made for years actual tablet devices that you can draw directly on the screen with, though they have been very expensive. There's really no reason to even have a mouse anymore.


Wacom's Bamboo tablets are very inexpensive. I wouldn't expect a graphics department to use them, but not all Wacom stuff is pricy.
 
2011-11-26 05:50:41 PM

WxAxGxS: Settings --> Accounts & Sync --> ADD ACCOUNT


Hmm, maybe we need to do an update because I don't think we have that setting.
 
2011-11-26 05:53:08 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: thomps

i think the portability, speed and ease of use (for non-intsentive tasks) is a big part of it. a lot of the time it's replacing, not laptops, but binders and briefcases that people were taking with them in the field.


Similar to the ebook reader vs a bag-o'books - makes sense.

On the flip side, tablets [to me] seem to be a subpar tool for content creation. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Anyway, thanks for the civil conversation. :-)


yeah i don't think most business uses for a tablet include heavy content creation, but most people who are clamoring for tablets aren't looking do do any of that.

also glad to find reasonable discussion in an apple thread.
 
2011-11-26 05:54:11 PM

blueknight: meh, my wife and i have both the Ipad and samsung galaxy tab, like the samsung MUCH better


You forgot to mention that the samsung doesn't try to own your soul like the iPad.

Fark iTunes! If I buy a computer I should be able to compute anything I like with it. Not just what Apple says I can.

You should be able to plug any device with a storage device into another computer and share files. If you agree with this statement and like Apple then you should do some reading.
 
2011-11-26 05:54:21 PM

CruJones: I can do 95% of my work on it. Much easier to to travel with. And I'm not an Apple fanboy. My laptop and desktop are both Windows. My executives can do 100% of their daily work on one. They have desktops for other stuff. I don't use it as a pure laptop replacement, more of a supplement. I won't read a book on a laptop. Almost all of my work is "in the cloud" so I can VPN with it and do most everything when traveling. It's also easier when sitting on a couch. Which is an activity I really enjoy.


What apps cover 95% of your work? Or is it all Web-based without Active-X plugins? I haven't seen a interface on the iPad to cover most business apps.

I can see the executives being covered since they're just checking email, checking their personal schedules, and checking reservations at the local steakhouse.
 
2011-11-26 05:54:59 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: TheDirtyNacho: No, you (or I, as I did this), buy the stand and keyboard for when you want to type out something lengthy like an e-mail or something textual, but otherwise want to use it as a touchscreen tablet.

Netbook/laptop is interfaced with differently. You're still mousing around, which is largely unnecessary except for some rare instances where a mouse is a preferable interface to touch.

I kinda prefer a mouse when using things like Excel. For me, at least, a mobile computer should have all the functionality of my main one although less powerful. I like having a full OS on the go. I use my smartphone for little things like short emails or quickly viewing documents. I want a mobile computer for everything beyond what I can do with my phone. Having what amounts to a 4x larger smartphone that can't make calls (outside of skype) in addition to my phone seems to pointless to me. And as far as touchscreen typing goes, I find a 7" tablet far more comfortable to type on than a 10".



I found myself using my phone to casually browse pretty often when sitting somewhere and finding it pretty awful - scroll, scroll, squint, scroll... Browsing on a tablet is much nicer. I use a laptop for work since I need the power, but for casual home or travel use... lightweight tablet is perfect. Clients like it too for flipping through demo pages.

One tool, not to replace them all...

I can see the mouse going away completely pretty soon though. Right now, of course, much interface design is mouse-centric, but there's very little functionality that would be compromised by removing the mouse and rethinking the interface in terms of touch.
 
2011-11-26 05:55:56 PM

Igor Jakovsky: I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them.


I was lucky enough to get one of the 32GB Touchpads for $150. So what are functionality are you comparing? Watching Youtube, surfing the Web, and listening to MP3's? Being serious... Perhaps I am missing out on something revolutionary with these devices.
 
2011-11-26 05:56:01 PM

MrEricSir: Digital Communist: The bottom line is this: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology.

That's funny, because most of the people I work -- and have worked with in the past -- have been software developers who own iPhones and MacBooks.


For a long time Apple was the only option. What do those people buy today?
 
2011-11-26 05:56:03 PM
When they can get ANSYS to work on it, I'll think about it.
If your boss cand do all his work on a tablet, you're probably working for an imbecile.
 
2011-11-26 05:56:47 PM

TheDirtyNacho: There's really no reason to even have a mouse anymore.


Bullshiat. Computer mice are faster and easier for many things. You can move a mouse around in a 2x2 square on your mouse pad/desk and reach everywhere on the screen. Compare moving your wrist around a small square to moving your entire arm over a 10" screen.

You also have at least 2 quickly clicked buttons, as opposed to press and waiting for long press. Other mice can also have up to 17 buttons on them with them all hotkeyed to different commands.

Touchscreens are nice for some things, but they cannot beat a mouse when it comes to efficiency. And your photoshop example isn't applicable to most computer work. That's often an artistic endeavor which lends itself better to a stylus like device than most other office computer work does.
 
2011-11-26 05:58:47 PM

Digital Communist: LeoffDaGrate: Digital Communist: You seem to be under the impression that Apple are the only company that produces tablets... you realize there are far more Android based tablets than Apple, right?

You seem to be under the impression that all those Android-based tablets are making any sort of a dent in the tablet marketplace. I'm no Apple lover, but when the iPad is burying the competition for 2 years now, Apple's doing something right and Android is doing something seriously wrong.

And that is the unfortunate reality. Apple is nothing more than marketing, but Google is no slacker like Microsoft has been the last decade (and they are way better engineers).

The bottom line is this: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology.


While consenting to the fact that he is using an inferior product, he finds comfort in the financial success of the company he is purchasing from.

That tells you pretty much everything you need to know about apple users
 
2011-11-26 05:59:11 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: TheDirtyNacho

I'm a heavy photoshop user (on my laptop), but in there I'm using a pen tablet. Wacom has made for years actual tablet devices that you can draw directly on the screen with, though they have been very expensive. There's really no reason to even have a mouse anymore.


Wacom's Bamboo tablets are very inexpensive. I wouldn't expect a graphics department to use them, but not all Wacom stuff is pricy.



I'm referring to things like the Cintiq - it is a generously sized tablet display that you can draw directly on. I don't know the price of them now, but they used to be a couple of thousand.
 
2011-11-26 06:00:25 PM
My Kindle Fire does one thing the iPad can't. It fits in my coat pocket.

If Apple had sold a smaller iPad, I might have bought it instead, but for my purposes, reading ebooks, email, and browsing, the iPad is too unwieldy. The Kindle Fire doesn't have wireless phone data connectivity, which is a definite disadvantage, but that's not a deal breaker for me, so I went with the Fire. I've had it a week, and it works well. Its browser is certainly much better than Safari on the iPhone.
 
2011-11-26 06:00:31 PM

TheDirtyNacho: I can see the mouse going away completely pretty soon though. Right now, of course, much interface design is mouse-centric, but there's very little functionality that would be compromised by removing the mouse and rethinking the interface in terms of touch.


I'm excited about having my screen covered in fingerprints.
 
2011-11-26 06:02:12 PM
My wife just put an app on her iPad that samples her handwriting by having her write on the screen with her finger or a stylus until it has learned her handwriting (about 10 sentences). THen she just write on the screen and the app transforms it flawlessly to text, which can be save in Yojimbo as text or PDF, sent as an email, etc. It's a very cool app. Especially for $4.99. She loves it and I see why. And that's only one of the amazing things iPad does. Until the other tablets can do such things cheaper than Apple, they'll never eat into iPad's market share.

/wife prefers the Kindle app for iPad over Apple reader.
 
2011-11-26 06:03:27 PM

Digital Communist: LeoffDaGrate: Digital Communist: You seem to be under the impression that Apple are the only company that produces tablets... you realize there are far more Android based tablets than Apple, right?

You seem to be under the impression that all those Android-based tablets are making any sort of a dent in the tablet marketplace. I'm no Apple lover, but when the iPad is burying the competition for 2 years now, Apple's doing something right and Android is doing something seriously wrong.

And that is the unfortunate reality. Apple is nothing more than marketing, but Google is no slacker like Microsoft has been the last decade (and they are way better engineers).

The bottom line is this: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology.


I'd say the only bottom line we have come to is that the hate for Apple may be greater than the love. There are plenty of people who work in technology, programming, and computers who use Apple products.

Now, why people complain about people who think their brand is better only to come back and do the same thing themselves, well, that, I would like to get to the bottom line of.
 
2011-11-26 06:04:22 PM

MrEricSir: Digital Communist: The bottom line is this: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology.

That's funny, because most of the people I work -- and have worked with in the past -- have been software developers javascript jockeys who own iPhones and MacBooks.

 
2011-11-26 06:05:52 PM
Wanted a pad for presentations and my photography business. toshiba Thrive has an sd port and a usb port and was under $400. No brainer.
 
2011-11-26 06:06:19 PM

Shadowknight: I just got it last week, just now getting it to upgrade from the old point and clicks. It's a starter, not a professional camera by any means. Just a way to get me used going in the direction of actual photagraphy.


Once you're hooked on SLR, you'll never want to go back. Point and shoot cameras are convenient, but so very slow, and even the best compact has a fairly weak sensor compared to a decent SLR. The old adage to buy the best lens you can afford and the cheapest body you can stand is pretty good advice. The lens holds value pretty well and the body depreciates very fast.
 
2011-11-26 06:06:46 PM

TheDirtyNacho: I found myself using my phone to casually browse pretty often when sitting somewhere and finding it pretty awful - scroll, scroll, squint, scroll... Browsing on a tablet is much nicer. I use a laptop for work since I need the power, but for casual home or travel use... lightweight tablet is perfect. Clients like it too for flipping through demo pages.

One tool, not to replace them all...


I agree that they have their niche. I see them as more of a magazine/folder replacement in the work place than a laptop replacement.

I can't agree on the phone browsing though. My phone has a 4.3 inch screen and my eyes work so browsing on my phone is painless.

For mobile use I can't see a tablet being more preferring than a netbook for me. At least with the current crop of tablets. Plus when I'm at home my bigscreen TV is my computer monitor so switching to my powerhouse tower quickly can be done from my couch using my TV remote.
 
2011-11-26 06:06:54 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: TheDirtyNacho: There's really no reason to even have a mouse anymore.

Bullshiat. Computer mice are faster and easier for many things. You can move a mouse around in a 2x2 square on your mouse pad/desk and reach everywhere on the screen. Compare moving your wrist around a small square to moving your entire arm over a 10" screen.

You also have at least 2 quickly clicked buttons, as opposed to press and waiting for long press. Other mice can also have up to 17 buttons on them with them all hotkeyed to different commands.

Touchscreens are nice for some things, but they cannot beat a mouse when it comes to efficiency. And your photoshop example isn't applicable to most computer work. That's often an artistic endeavor which lends itself better to a stylus like device than most other office computer work does.



You're right - touchscreens don't necessarily hold up well in a mouse-centric design. But, rethink the interface some and design it for efficiency with touch. That's my point. It's not even that much work. For example - why would a task have to be accomplished by dragging something across the entire screen? In a mouse-centric design, there's tons of reasons why this is so. Rethink it for touch though. Make the task accomplishable in a more efficient way.

There's some interesting demos of some windows 8 apps (can't find the link now), which is more touch focused, and a lot of previously click-drag things are rethought.

Personally I now find having to move a cursor around more inefficient, especially if I'm not sitting at a desk.
 
2011-11-26 06:11:01 PM
Congratulations on your choice in consumer technology. We're really happy you're pleased with your decision.

www.wondercliparts.com

/now STFU about how your x beats product y in task z
 
2011-11-26 06:11:36 PM

Ozarkhawk: Wanted a pad for presentations and my photography business. toshiba Thrive has an sd port and a usb port and was under $400. No brainer.


Heh. I've had someone in the past say that the ipad not having an SD slot was a good thing. Apparently because some of the cheapest and crappiest SD cards are too slow apple is saving us from them all by not having to worry about it. That's right, his stance was that not having expandable storage was for our own good.
 
2011-11-26 06:13:05 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I'm writing this on my Nook Tablet, so I'm getting a kick... you know the drill


Same here and I'll probably root it this week. Would like an iPad but I'm happy with the Nook
 
2011-11-26 06:15:27 PM
When I see Ric Romero in real life, I'd ask him for an autograph that says "I am Ric Romero. I signed this with a pen!"
 
2011-11-26 06:15:35 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: The iPad is insanely cheap, depending on why you are buying one.


Compared to most6 laptops, yup.

I love hearing people biatch about paying $500, $600 or even $700... then I remind them a laptop that might have more HD space would run over $1,000+

 
2011-11-26 06:18:22 PM

TheDirtyNacho: You're right - touchscreens don't necessarily hold up well in a mouse-centric design. But, rethink the interface some and design it for efficiency with touch. That's my point. It's not even that much work. For example - why would a task have to be accomplished by dragging something across the entire screen? In a mouse-centric design, there's tons of reasons why this is so. Rethink it for touch though. Make the task accomplishable in a more efficient way.

There's some interesting demos of some windows 8 apps (can't find the link now), which is more touch focused, and a lot of previously click-drag things are rethought.

Personally I now find having to move a cursor around more inefficient, especially if I'm not sitting at a desk.


I think your a bit wacky, but if it works for you then it works for you. I can't think of any way where software can make touching so much easier and more efficient to make it worth spending the extra effort and losing the added functionality of a mouse. Maybe I'll be proved wrong in the future, but I doubt it.

As for Windows 8, I haven't looked into it. But just because it's being optimized for touch doesn't mean that it's better than a mouse centric design. Different to fit what's fashionable doesn't necessarily mean better.
 
2011-11-26 06:19:29 PM

valkore: CruJones: I can do 95% of my work on it. Much easier to to travel with. And I'm not an Apple fanboy. My laptop and desktop are both Windows. My executives can do 100% of their daily work on one. They have desktops for other stuff. I don't use it as a pure laptop replacement, more of a supplement. I won't read a book on a laptop. Almost all of my work is "in the cloud" so I can VPN with it and do most everything when traveling. It's also easier when sitting on a couch. Which is an activity I really enjoy.

What apps cover 95% of your work? Or is it all Web-based without Active-X plugins? I haven't seen a interface on the iPad to cover most business apps.

I can see the executives being covered since they're just checking email, checking their personal schedules, and checking reservations at the local steakhouse.


All web based. Salesforce, our internal ticketing system, email, our pricing tool. I am in sales, and never touch Excel or Word. neither does anyone in support. If I must, I can remote desktop with it, and do everything. I do wish you could use a Bluetooth mouse without jailbreaking, but that's a minor thing.
 
2011-11-26 06:19:41 PM

valkore: Igor Jakovsky: I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them.

I was lucky enough to get one of the 32GB Touchpads for $150. So what are functionality are you comparing? Watching Youtube, surfing the Web, and listening to MP3's? Being serious... Perhaps I am missing out on something revolutionary with these devices.


it was mainly tearing and laggy scrolling. Also switching between web pages and loading seemed slower. The Ipad and Acer have many more apps to be sure. But HP still has enough that I haven't really missed anything.
 
2011-11-26 06:20:03 PM

BarbadoSlim: iPad is for hipsters and low-end media consumers, that's about it.


Never touched one eh?

 
2011-11-26 06:20:22 PM
My own two cents.

I loved the comment about the iPad being a clipboard replacement.

One of the reasons the iPad works for me is the form factor. It is about the size and shape of a legal pad. It just feels right. When I am in court I don't need to create documents, I need quick access to documents. Again, the iPad works.

Legal research on the fly, Westlaw has a dedicated iPad app that is much more user friendly than trying to use Westlaw on a laptop.

That said, the iPad is not for everyone. As the resident geek, I was telling family members to look at the new less expensive tablets on the market, for their needs they might might do the job at half the price.

/competition and options. It's a good thing.
 
2011-11-26 06:20:56 PM

MrEricSir: ...Worst part is, nobody in the office was able to find a way to make it check two GMail accounts. Seeing as how everyone in the office has more than one GMail account, that's a deal breaker.


You can do this with the stock e-mail reader, but it's kludgy. Use K-9 reader for Android. You can integrate all of your inboxes into a single "unified inbox" -- it's not just for GMail either. I use it for two GMail accounts, an IMAP account, and an Exchange account.
 
2011-11-26 06:22:58 PM

JackieRabbit: My wife just put an app on her iPad that samples her handwriting by having her write on the screen with her finger or a stylus until it has learned her handwriting (about 10 sentences). THen she just write on the screen and the app transforms it flawlessly to text, which can be save in Yojimbo as text or PDF, sent as an email, etc. It's a very cool app. Especially for $4.99. She loves it and I see why. And that's only one of the amazing things iPad does. Until the other tablets can do such things cheaper than Apple, they'll never eat into iPad's market share.

/wife prefers the Kindle app for iPad over Apple reader.


Heh... That technology existed on tablets before ipad even existed as a concept.
 
2011-11-26 06:23:18 PM

vegasj: thismomentinblackhistory: The iPad is insanely cheap, depending on why you are buying one.

Compared to most6 laptops, yup.

I love hearing people biatch about paying $500, $600 or even $700... then I remind them a laptop that might have more HD space would run over $1,000+


The hell are you talking about? It doesn't take a very expensive laptop to go over the 64gb that an ipad is capable of storing. Even a $400 laptop is more functional than an ipad and has a full OS and can install just about any software you want on it.

The only laptops that force you to pay over $1,000 are apple ones. If you really wanted the OS a hackintosh is still cheaper than the cheapest apple laptop.
 
2011-11-26 06:24:36 PM

MrEricSir: WxAxGxS: Settings --> Accounts & Sync --> ADD ACCOUNT

Hmm, maybe we need to do an update because I don't think we have that setting.


My crappy Android 2.2 phone can do this from the gmail app: settings -> accounts -> add accounts. Then on the main screen the top right button labeled with the current account you can click on it to switch between them.
 
2011-11-26 06:25:13 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Ozarkhawk: Wanted a pad for presentations and my photography business. toshiba Thrive has an sd port and a usb port and was under $400. No brainer.

Heh. I've had someone in the past say that the ipad not having an SD slot was a good thing. Apparently because some of the cheapest and crappiest SD cards are too slow apple is saving us from them all by not having to worry about it. That's right, his stance was that not having expandable storage was for our own good.


I had my iPad 1 stolen, and looked at androids before buying a 2. The HD out port was one thing that almost pushed me to an android. I saw today a new external drive that supposedly works with it. Though 32gb seems to be plenty for me.
 
2011-11-26 06:25:29 PM
Samsung Galaxy 10.1 is to iPad what a modern Android phone is to iPhone ... superior technology (16:9 display at higher resolution), and less locked down. Apple products are high quality, but confining .... great for technophobes who need a well-known device anyone around them can offer tech support for, and for sheeple who have to have the same gadget as everyone else.

One killer feature on my 2 yo HTC Desire X (aka T-Mobile G2 in the USA) which trumps everything is the built in wireless for my laptop (and other people's whom I allow) which it provides with Android HotSpot ... I get faster service from that on T-Mobile's HSPA+ 4G network than most people in the USA get from their cable modem / DSL provider on a wired connection, and it's no extra effort or equipment to carry since it's built into my phone. For a techie power user and occasional road warrior like me, no amount of Apple bling could replace this one feaure, which is of course locked out on US market iPhones per the contract between Apple and the carriers.

I could care less if the HTC was butt ugly, but it's decently aesthetic, nicer to use for voice calls than the hard-edged iPhone 4, has a better mike and speakers and has a REAL keyboard. It's also far faster than iPhone 3GS (its contemporary) and indeed faster than the much later iPhone 4, even though it has a slower CPU, due to having a real "video card" (chipset). As soon a T-Mobile announces the G3, I am likely to pre-order it just based on how great a job HTC did with this device and the leap forward from the G1 (HTC Dream).

In a similar way, the 2010-2012 Hyundai Elantra / Kia Optima is superior to, and much better value than, a contemporary Toyota Corolla - I've driven several examples of all three brands care of Hertz, including Corolla S, and the base Corolla ssssssuuuuuckkkks (image of Judge Smails). But sheeple will continue to swear by Toyota **

I have never even found cause to jailbreak my HTC.

I did jailbreak my Nook, and it makes a great little 7" Android tablet - locked down Android sucks just as much as Apple products, and for the same reasons ... don't buy a Kindle Fire until you know for sure it can be jailbroken .... B&N sells Angry Birds for $3 on their site, it's free on Android Market, and while I could care less about that one app, it's an example of why open devices are important.

Cue the Apple fanboys in 3 .... 2 .... 1 ....

** I will confess that as a car nerd, my own car buying decisions are emotional rather than practical. I have 2 cars, both of which are far faster than necessary. While I avidly advise friends buying shopping cars to look at Hyundai-Kia, I have no interest in any of their products for my own use.
 
2011-11-26 06:28:34 PM

valkore: Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.

So in other words, Apple isn't going anywhere. Apple's premise that "it just works" is what appeals to people who feel like traditional PCs are over their head. Despite personal computer sales exploding since the mid-90's and nearly everyone having at least one in their home, the vast majority of computer users still don't know anything about technology. That's why places like Geek Squad are raking in the cash and why devices like tablets exist in the first place. A technologically savvy person would easily see that an ultraportable laptop does much more than a tablet.


Eh, we're getting a tablet for the shop just because the touchscreen is easier and the flip-around laptops don't seem to be made as durably. That said, we're getting an android tablet because pretty much everything apple makes, they treat like you're renting from them.
 
2011-11-26 06:28:54 PM

CruJones: I had my iPad 1 stolen, and looked at androids before buying a 2. The HD out port was one thing that almost pushed me to an android. I saw today a new external drive that supposedly works with it. Though 32gb seems to be plenty for me.


IMHO apple products are overpriced, feature lacking, wastes of tech. However, I still maintain that one should get whatever brings a smile to their face. If it works for you and makes you happy then so be it.
 
2011-11-26 06:28:55 PM

FrankTheYank: It's true that MacBook Pros are unusually sturdy. Well-built laptops are rare because few people want to pay for them. They exist, though. ThinkPads, for example, are damned tough, and you'll never feel anxious about picking one up by the corner or dropping your bag accidentally.


Very well built, but I expect that with from the cost. I'm getting started porting our company's app to OS X using Cocoa/Obj-C on an old Mac Book Core 2 Duo and while it's sluggish the machine is built solid. I know another developer who's a big Linux guy and he runs Fedora on a Mac Book. I asked him why once and he said it's because they're very well built. He rarely uses OS X.
 
2011-11-26 06:32:19 PM

vegasj: BarbadoSlim: iPad is for hipsters and low-end media consumers, that's about it.

Never touched one eh?


Pretty much this. I thought they were stupid and worthless until I tried one. It was the first apple product I ever bought. Hell, I'm on it now. My laptop hasn't left my backpack all week.
 
2011-11-26 06:35:05 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: It doesn't take a very expensive laptop to go over the 64gb that an ipad is capable of storing. Even a $400 laptop is more functional than an ipad and has a full OS and can install just about any software you want on it.


But at what price? Lugging around a backpack and a X lbs laptop? Other than any CAD type of program what can't you to on the iPad you can on a laptop?

 
2011-11-26 06:36:22 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: CruJones: I had my iPad 1 stolen, and looked at androids before buying a 2. The HD out port was one thing that almost pushed me to an android. I saw today a new external drive that supposedly works with it. Though 32gb seems to be plenty for me.

IMHO apple products are overpriced, feature lacking, wastes of tech. However, I still maintain that one should get whatever brings a smile to their face. If it works for you and makes you happy then so be it.


It's a convenience, and makes my life easier. And anything that improves flying is worth $500. I also bought my 2 used on eBay with smart cover for $400. I've spent far more on much dumber things. My next one may very well be an android, but I love a tablet.
 
2011-11-26 06:38:06 PM
$500 or more for an iPad? Buy a nice dual core laptop for less. If you want the tablet experience, and they are handy, buy a Koby Kyros 8" Android Tablet for $159.00. In less than 30 minutes you can hack it for access to the Android market (shame on Google for freezing out low end tablets) and tweak it to perform like a tablet costing twice as much. That's the beauty of Android ... infinitely customizable.
 
2011-11-26 06:38:35 PM
He's just turned into a media troll, hasn't he?
/Still amusing though...
//No Romero tag?
 
2011-11-26 06:41:04 PM

Igor Jakovsky: valkore: Igor Jakovsky: I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them.

I was lucky enough to get one of the 32GB Touchpads for $150. So what are functionality are you comparing? Watching Youtube, surfing the Web, and listening to MP3's? Being serious... Perhaps I am missing out on something revolutionary with these devices.

it was mainly tearing and laggy scrolling. Also switching between web pages and loading seemed slower. The Ipad and Acer have many more apps to be sure. But HP still has enough that I haven't really missed anything.


I had one of the 32gb Touchpads. After rooting and overclocking, it was a nice tablet. I still sold the thing. No Netflix app pretty much killed it for me.
 
2011-11-26 06:41:07 PM
I first read the headline as 'So THAT what it is'. I thought there might be some new, jive meme going around that I wasn't aware of.
 
2011-11-26 06:42:57 PM

vegasj: BarbadoSlim: iPad is for hipsters and low-end media consumers, that's about it.

Never touched one eh?


Heh, nice try.
 
2011-11-26 06:43:03 PM

Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.


or if you want to do any work with professional video editing, final cut pro 300 bucks and runs very well on off the rack system,
avid 600-2.5k bucks and be prepared to spend 10k for a cheap system that will kinda work or 30k for a stable one
 
2011-11-26 06:46:19 PM

beer4breakfast: My crappy Android 2.2 phone can do this from the gmail app: settings -> accounts -> add accounts. Then on the main screen the top right button labeled with the current account you can click on it to switch between them.


Thanks for the tip, I'll have to look into that.

I think what threw us off was the asymmetry of the operation. As soon as you turn the thing on, you have no choice but to enter a Google username and password. Aside from resetting the device, there didn't seem to be a way to get back to that screen.

SnarfvsMaximvs: You can do this with the stock e-mail reader, but it's kludgy. Use K-9 reader for Android. You can integrate all of your inboxes into a single "unified inbox" -- it's not just for GMail either. I use it for two GMail accounts, an IMAP account, and an Exchange account.


Aha! So there is a way to use Exchange, then. Not that I have an Exchange account anymore (thankfully) but it's good to know.
 
2011-11-26 06:47:42 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Arklop: The first one I ever purchased was a Compaq...eh, Presario, I think, in 1997. It was about $2800 and died by the end of '99. I don't recall the details of the others except the last one which was a large-screen HP Pavilion purchased in January 2005. I paid somewhere between $2000-$2500 for it and by mid 2006, I had to tape-up the power adapter cable and hold the connector to one side for it to charge.

The MacBook Pro was about $2400-$2600 (a little extra because I opted for a faster hard drive) plus whatever I paid for a replacement power adapter ($100 maybe?)

Fair enough. Things are different today. Avoid the bottom of the barrel laptops and most hold up fine. Up until a flood killed it I had an HP that was running on 7 years.

Apple uses many of the same parts as everyone else but for twice the cost. You can't even get an apple laptop for less than $1,000. Spec for spec compare a macbook pro with something from the competition. The cost difference is huge.



Sure, I know I paid extra for the Apple logo and such, but it's not the hardware that's the attraction, it's the software. I hated the old Mac OS, but OS X is near-perfect for the way I work and manage files. Simple things like color-coding items in Finder and collapsable folder lists are huge time-savers for me. I'm really surprised Microsoft hasn't innovated some of those features into Explorer.

That being said, there is one PC-only app for which I have yet to find a comparable Mac equivalent--Sound Forge. I'm an audio developer by trade and there is just nothing that touches Sound Forge's wealth of options and features...even after Sony bought it and made its stability go to shiat. BIAS Peak is the closest thing Mac has, but its interface gives me a headache.
 
2011-11-26 06:49:32 PM

GreenSun: When I see Ric Romero in real life, I'd ask him for an autograph that says "I am Ric Romero. I signed this with a pen!"


Even better would be "I am Ric Romero. I signed this with a pen. A pen is a writing instrument usually filled with Ink, which is a liquid or paste that contains pigments and/or dyes and is used to color a surface to produce an image, text, or design."

/we are all #239
 
2011-11-26 06:51:18 PM
I just got a kindle fire and I love it! It was never intended for me to use for working or anything serious, it's just an entertainment device and it succeeds very well in doing that. For me it is my first e-reader and I love that I can read books, magazines, as well as watch movies and tv. It is replacing my paper books. I am not all that tech savvy (although more so than the women I work with :P) but it is easy to use and a lot of fun. It's small enough that I can take it on the bike in the gym, or not get hand cramps reading in bed. I would never have been able to justify 500 bucks for an Ipad when the things I will be using it for are all well met with a 199 dollar kindle.
 
2011-11-26 06:51:43 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Igor Jakovsky: valkore: Igor Jakovsky: I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them.

I was lucky enough to get one of the 32GB Touchpads for $150. So what are functionality are you comparing? Watching Youtube, surfing the Web, and listening to MP3's? Being serious... Perhaps I am missing out on something revolutionary with these devices.

it was mainly tearing and laggy scrolling. Also switching between web pages and loading seemed slower. The Ipad and Acer have many more apps to be sure. But HP still has enough that I haven't really missed anything.

I had one of the 32gb Touchpads. After rooting and overclocking, it was a nice tablet. I still sold the thing. No Netflix app pretty much killed it for me.


They have a remote access app that lets you take control of your pc on the tablet. Supposedly you can use it to stream netflix via virtual pc...I haven't tried it yet but the internets say it works well.
 
2011-11-26 06:57:34 PM
No, $500 for a single item that does the same thing as the six others that it replaced....
all media (both playback and creation), communications (web access, telephony,text messaging, real-time video and/or data conferencing), entertainment (games, reading), productivity (document creation, calculations, reference research)
the list goes on and on.

On a phone sized system, it was cramped, no, make that very cramped.

this is pretty good.
 
2011-11-26 07:03:22 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: On the flip side, tablets [to me] seem to be a subpar tool for content creation. Perhaps I'm missing something.


No, I think you get it. The iPad is great for consumption, browsing/email, and games, but ranges from sub-optimal to "blows" for creation.

One recurring iPad theme, as to why people prefer their iPad over a netbook/laptop, is that it is small/thin/portable, has great battery life, and has instant on/off. Now, whether or not the price justifies this is another different-flame-war, but I often see these listed. And, as an owner of an iPad, I really do like the instant on/off. Sure, my netbook can turn on in, oh, say 3 seconds, but those few seconds seem like an eternity compared to the iPad, and my netbook now sits largely unused.

However, as much as the Apple zealots want to deny it, the Kindle Fire will take a chunk out of the iPad's sales. Most users consume, and, for these users, the KF is "good enough" and "cheap", and I think this combination will take a large bite out of the iPad's sales.
 
2011-11-26 07:04:58 PM

Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.


I have a rooted, overclocked (did it myself) Android phone, a Windows 7 PC (work on other peoples computers/side job) and an iPad2. I LOVE the iPad, the battery lasts forever and it is convenient to carry. I use it for web surfing, email, and reading books. I would consider myself a conservative and the opposite of a hippie or liberal. That said, it is a wonderful device as it suits MY needs. OBTW, it rarely leaves my house in case you think I am trying to keep up with the hip people.
 
2011-11-26 07:06:28 PM
I will gladly piss on Steve Jobs's grave if I'm ever in Palo Alto. I will then go and get drunk at Pigpen's (they're in the same cemetery).
 
2011-11-26 07:15:57 PM

Fett56: Apple has never really been about anything other than looking cool, has it?

Well, in the past decade.

LOL at the guy saying he would only buy Apple macbooks.


Did you have any content to share, or are you needed back at the schoolyard?
 
2011-11-26 07:17:04 PM

valkore: So in other words, Apple isn't going anywhere. Apple's premise that "it just works" is what appeals to people who feel like traditional PCs are over their head.


Uh, at any hardcore technology conference I've been to there's Apple laptops all over the place. You can't tell me programmers feel traditional PCs are over their head?
 
2011-11-26 07:17:42 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: RentalMetard: I guess it's a better buy if you regularly beat the sh*t out of your laptop. I have a Dell and an HP that are both over five years old at this point, pretty heavily used, and they both work fine. And both of them combined ran up a price tag of a little over half of what a Macbook Pro costs.

I prefer to go the other way and buy a netbook. About $400, does what I need it to do for a travel-computer, and doesn't have the drawbacks of a tablet. Plus, if it breaks, it's only a $400 computer.


What are those drawbacks? You just lumped them all together, plus my iPad2 was the cheap 16GB wireless unit for $500, not exactly a lot more than your netbook. I bought an Acer Win7 netbook for my son, got the high end and added memory. I installed the full version of Win 7 and Office 2010. My iPad blows it away when it comes to video, browsing, and battery life. Does it work for what I bought it for, absolutely. This whole discussion that iPad's are junk is false, I bought one to use as a reader thinking it would not be used for more than that and I fell in love with it. I now use it more than my desktop.
 
2011-11-26 07:18:41 PM
I bought a qaud core amd laptop with 8 gigs of ram, and 1.5 gig of video memory. It is made by Asus with an AMD processor and runs Win 7, Linux, and OSX like scalded dogs. And if I broke it, I would not be too happy, but it was a steal for 500 bucks.

I also have a Thinkpad SL410 with a dual core intel, and 8 gigs. And it is wonderfully built and I can see my self having it for quite a long time.

As for Android, I have a Motorola Defy which has gorilla glass and is waterproof, and I like it better than my old iphone. I bought it for 180 bucks new.

Pissed I missed out on the touch pad offers.
 
2011-11-26 07:21:08 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: thomps: my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem.

I know I can't get a response from you since this was posted several hours ago, but maybe someone else knows. How do you use an external keyboard with an iPad? Do you lean the iPad up against something so you can see the screen, or do you have to lay it flat on a table and stare down at it while you're typing?


It's called Bluetooth and a case.
 
2011-11-26 07:22:56 PM

MrCrunchyToes: The iPad is great for consumption, browsing/email, and games, but ranges from sub-optimal to "blows" for creation.


Which is why the Kindle Fire is actually a competitor despite its inferior capabilities. A lot of iPad users have a few sophisticated apps they can't live without, but a lot more are going to realize they don't use the full potential of the device and buy something much cheaper next time around.

/forgot to post this earlier
 
2011-11-26 07:24:01 PM

czei: Uh, at any hardcore technology conference I've been to there's Apple laptops all over the place. You can't tell me programmers feel traditional PCs are over their head?


Yup. Most of the tech-head people I know went to Apple several years ago. A well-built, dependable, commercially supported UNIX laptop? The SysAdmins and Developers would happily pay twice what Apple is charging.

Open-source software is a bit of a different animal- lots of hackers do stuff on the cheap, but even so, the open-source conferences I've been to recently are probably split about 50/50 between Macs and Linux (with a few token windows machines here and there).
 
2011-11-26 07:25:29 PM

ComicBookGuy: I will gladly piss on Steve Jobs's grave if I'm ever in Palo Alto. I will then go and get drunk at Pigpen's (they're in the same cemetery).


You mad bro?
 
2011-11-26 07:35:24 PM
lol at all the apple hate, most people who are saying android will dominate were probably saying ipods wouldn't sell, ipads won't sell, it's a big ipod touch etc..

I thank all you haters for helping me make money on aapl stock over and over!

I am kind of a computer geek, and I can do whatever I want on a mac. I prefer os x and there are apps that do just about all of what I want, and if I need to I just fire up a copy of windows as a last resort. other than the price issue, how is that not the obvious way to go? people actually like windows more than os x? what if you want to run that one os x app? it can be done, but it's tricky. with mac, i spend my time doing what I want to do, not configuring shiat so I can do it. it's like my car, I want to spend my time driving it not working on it in my garage. That's why I pay a mechanic! Price is irrelevant to me, computing is like an addition to my brain, and apple is what I pick. even if I spend $3000 every 2 years on the best laptop, that's only $4 a day for awesome computing!

Because my mac can do ANYTHING i need, I haven't even found a reason to want to jailbreak my iphone. I have tried android phones and tablets whenever I get a chance, and the web browsing has always been crappy, scrolling laggy etc, and even if that wasn't the case I don't see a single reason I would want android, but that's mainly because I choose apple for my computer and it is the hub for my digital life and it's a good life.
 
2011-11-26 07:35:42 PM

czei: Uh, at any hardcore technology conference I've been to there's Apple laptops all over the place. You can't tell me programmers feel traditional PCs are over their head?


Most security researchers tend to them as well, despite them also agreeing that OS/X is the easiest to take down in a targeted attack.
 
2011-11-26 07:36:07 PM

Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.


There will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be a shortage of stupid people. Ever.
 
2011-11-26 07:36:31 PM

MrEricSir: At work, we have a Xoom tablet. It's really unimpressive, especially for the price tag ($400!!)

It's twice as thick as an iPad 2, most of the software is sluggish and doesn't have a consistent look and feel. Worst part is, nobody in the office was able to find a way to make it check two GMail accounts. Seeing as how everyone in the office has more than one GMail account, that's a deal breaker.

/Professional Linux application developer
//Run all 3 major platforms at home


Mine currently is checking 3 Gmail accounts. Multitasks just fine and with the Bluetooth keyboard and mouse it's handier than a net book. Oh and it runs flash.

You add Gmail accounts to your Xoom just like every other android device, go to settings>accounts>add account. Rinse, repeat

4G LTE and an SD slot rocks too.

This was posted from my Xoom.
 
2011-11-26 07:38:21 PM

Buttbone McGillicutty: RobertBruce: iThings are still toys.

HP Slate. Win 7. Runs business apps.

To be fair, I turned off a bunch of unnecessary services and features to get better speed.


I love my HP Touchpad.
 
2011-11-26 07:47:34 PM
the content creation and "doing real office work" always come up as why ipads are useless compared to netbooks, but it's a new user interface people have to be trained in and developers need to figure out how do do common mouse stuff with touch, but it's come far already and it's just getting started. imovie on ipad, some coding program I read about recently, Probably tough to do 3d cad work or massive data entry for now, but as the whole touch UI gets more delevoped and siri can do more and more I see that issue going away.

also, when you really need to do intense mouse stuff, you should probably be using something like an imac, not using a netbook. I think imac and ipad is an awesome combo. but really, what are people wanting to do on their ipads that they could do better on their $400 pos netbook?
 
2011-11-26 07:47:36 PM

JackieRabbit: My wife just put an app on her iPad that samples her handwriting by having her write on the screen with her finger or a stylus until it has learned her handwriting (about 10 sentences). THen she just write on the screen and the app transforms it flawlessly to text, which can be save in Yojimbo as text or PDF, sent as an email, etc. It's a very cool app. Especially for $4.99. She loves it and I see why. And that's only one of the amazing things iPad does. Until the other tablets can do such things cheaper than Apple, they'll never eat into iPad's market share.

/wife prefers the Kindle app for iPad over Apple reader.


The app is called writepad and it's available on the android market for the same $4.99.

Why do iPhans always assume that anything cool is exclusive to iProducts?
 
2011-11-26 07:50:17 PM

mcreadyblue: I love my HP Touchpad.


Yup. Got it for cheaper than an ipod touch. Thought I'd convert it to android but I'm happy the way it is.
 
2011-11-26 07:50:51 PM

vegasj: Other than any CAD type of program what can't you to on the iPad you can on a laptop?


Software development, for one. (OK, well, technically, while you could do software development on an iPad, I certainly wouldn't want to do any on one -- and, yes, I do have an iPad, and so I know what it would be like.)

Running virtual machines is another. Yes, this is something of a rare case, but it is a valid use, and is one of the reasons why I still have a laptop.
 
2011-11-26 07:53:08 PM
Callous:The app is called writepad and it's available on the android market for the same $4.99.

Why do iPhans always assume that anything cool is exclusive to iProducts?


I think a lot of people like the app store more than the android market, apple filtering out crap is a plus to them. They may trust apple with their credit card info more as well since they have proved themselves with the itunes store. I haven't seen anything on android that even makes me want to jailbreak my iphone, let alone not available on iphone even if you jailbreak.
 
2011-11-26 08:00:30 PM

MrCrunchyToes: vegasj: Other than any CAD type of program what can't you to on the iPad you can on a laptop?

Software development, for one. (OK, well, technically, while you could do software development on an iPad, I certainly wouldn't want to do any on one -- and, yes, I do have an iPad, and so I know what it would be like.)

Running virtual machines is another. Yes, this is something of a rare case, but it is a valid use, and is one of the reasons why I still have a laptop.


any pro or developer would clearly not have an ipad as their only machine, and depending on your travel habits and needs the ipad/imac combo might do just fine-tweak a little code on the go if you have an idea, otherwise the imac/macbook air setup would be more for you, or a heavy laptop if you really want max horsepower with you at all times. insert pc equivelents above if that's your cup of tea. I personally couldn't imagine doing any serious project work with a monitor smaller than 24 inches, and i'd preferably have 2 of them :D
 
2011-11-26 08:05:32 PM

stuffer: Callous:The app is called writepad and it's available on the android market for the same $4.99.

Why do iPhans always assume that anything cool is exclusive to iProducts?

I think a lot of people like the app store more than the android market, apple filtering out crap is a plus to them. They may trust apple with their credit card info more as well since they have proved themselves with the itunes store. I haven't seen anything on android that even makes me want to jailbreak my iphone, let alone not available on iphone even if you jailbreak.


I take it you've never used Swype?
 
2011-11-26 08:12:35 PM

ComicBookGuy: I will gladly piss on Steve Jobs's grave if I'm ever in Palo Alto. I will then go and get drunk at Pigpen's (they're in the same cemetery).


While you're there, go across the street and say hi to my old high school. Then take a short walk down the road to Xerox PARC and see where the mouse, GUI, ethernet, OOP, and handheld computers were invented.
 
2011-11-26 08:16:14 PM

vegasj: CtrlAltDestroy: It doesn't take a very expensive laptop to go over the 64gb that an ipad is capable of storing. Even a $400 laptop is more functional than an ipad and has a full OS and can install just about any software you want on it.

But at what price? Lugging around a backpack and a X lbs laptop? Other than any CAD type of program what can't you to on the iPad you can on a laptop?


Don't you even try to handwave CAD. Some people need to use it as part of everyday work. Just because there's a magical position with some company that lets someone only use an ipad doesn't mean that everyone else will fit the same mold. Most wont.

MS Word
MS Excel
MS Access
MS Powerpoint
Various PLC software (RSLogix, etc)
CAD (as pointed out)
Photo editing/Photoshop (full versions)
Sound editing software (full versions)
Video editing software (full versions)
Maximo
ValveLink
Online based timesheet software
Intranet based file storage
Dreamweaver (full version)

I'm a tradesman. These were ones I thought of off the top of my head. I'm sure people who work in an office environment would have more to add. This is only thinking about programs used in a professional atmosphere. This doesn't count the myriad of personal use programs that an ipad can't run.

And if the weight difference between a laptop and a ipad is enough to break you then you're just sad. Just because it's lighter doesn't mean it's better. What's the use of carrying around a slab of technology if it doesn't do what you need it to?

Tablets are consumption devices. The are terrible creation devices. Some people actually make things from scratch at work.
 
2011-11-26 08:17:06 PM
nope, and that doesn't tempt me in the least, i'm just fine with typing or talking to siri whenever i don't feel like typing.

thinking about it, the only think i've thought would be cool that i'd have to jailbreak for is having my phone listen at all times and respond to a whistle if I couldn't find it in the same room i'm in, but not worth the hassle as that rarely happens.
 
2011-11-26 08:17:51 PM
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2011-11-26 08:20:37 PM

stuffer: any pro or developer would clearly not have an ipad as their only machine, and depending on your travel habits and needs the ipad/imac combo might do just fine-tweak a little code on the go if you have an idea, otherwise the imac/macbook air setup would be more for you, or a heavy laptop if you really want max horsepower with you at all times. insert pc equivelents above if that's your cup of tea. I personally couldn't imagine doing any serious project work with a monitor smaller than 24 inches, and i'd preferably have 2 of them :D


That's kinda the point. People like to praise the ipad as some magical do-all device. People like vegasj. They're not. They're good for looking at pictures and files. They fall short in almost ever other respect. Phrases like,

"Other than any CAD type of program what can't you to on the iPad you can on a laptop?"

are absolutely idiotic.
 
2011-11-26 08:27:24 PM
...Wait, THIS is the Ric Romero everyone's talking about? Hunh.

/Seriously, I do not know where this meme came from at all...
//Should look it up, but damn, I'm lazy.
 
2011-11-26 08:29:21 PM
bought an iPad 1 when they first came out. Used the hell out of it, wife started using it to play a few games on, then I never could get it back. So she bought me an iPad 2 for this past Fathers day. I use it everyday, many times. We won a Nook Color around this time last year, played around with it, rooted it, ect... It's pretty cool, but with my old eyes, the iPads just look better. But to each their own. I'm not one to call names to other people cause they don't like what I do. Buy what you want, enjoy it, cause life is too short.

Happy Holidays everyone.
 
2011-11-26 08:34:23 PM

stuffer: I think a lot of people like the app store more than the android market, apple filtering out crap is a plus to them. They may trust apple with their credit card info more as well since they have proved themselves with the itunes store. I haven't seen anything on android that even makes me want to jailbreak my iphone, let alone not available on iphone even if you jailbreak.


What works for you works for you. For me though I like Android over iphones for these reasons.

Widgets, custom roms, flash support, removable/expandable storage and battery, choices in hardware, install apps note from the official market, anything but itunes, custom visual themes, etc. I also don't like that apple keeps a remote "kill switch" over every idevice.
 
2011-11-26 08:45:15 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: That's kinda the point. People like to praise the ipad as some magical do-all device. People like vegasj. They're not. They're good for looking at pictures and files. They fall short in almost ever other respect. Phrases like,

"Other than any CAD type of program what can't you to on the iPad you can on a laptop?"

are absolutely idiotic.


I think we sortof agree, i don't think it's the magical do all device best for everything. I meant like how excel is on the ipad, and while you wouldn't create a whole spreadsheet project most likely, it's good for on the go to show one off or make small changes in a business setting, and with better UI or siri control in the future, data entry might not be a big deal, especially with creative uses of the camera. and thinking about it, if I want to make a cad model of some object in real life, I could just take a couple pics from different angles and have the ipad do it for me. then click print and my 3d printer would print a copy of it. 3d printing for the masses will be easy with the ipad and the right app.

to say that it's only good for looking at picts and files or "consumption only" is an understatement, normal people can shoot hd video and edit a quick project and upload it to youtube and such. they can make a simple spreadsheet to deal with their finances even if it's their only computer, you can take photosynth and make a panorama! that was something hardly anyone knew how to do on computers a few years ago. you can create lots of content on an ipad. and as the peripheral's go nuts with bluetooth 4.0 it will do things computers can't, like track your heartbeat all day long and graph it, monitor your blood sugar level etc.

I don't see how asking what you can't do on an ipad is idiotic. I bet much of what you can't do is probably only a developer and an app away. How efficiently you can do it is another matter.

also, just watched ric talk about being famous fark, funny shiat ric fark interview (new window)
 
2011-11-26 08:55:36 PM

Digital Communist: Avoiding the command line is Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android ditch the mouse and aways launch a terminal with a "$" prompt.


FIFY, ace.

Sorry, if it doesn't have AWK, SED, VIM and Perl, it is just a toy.
(Which is why I love my Macbook Pro)

i651.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-26 09:03:55 PM

Callous: MrEricSir: At work, we have a Xoom tablet. It's really unimpressive, especially for the price tag ($400!!)

It's twice as thick as an iPad 2, most of the software is sluggish and doesn't have a consistent look and feel. Worst part is, nobody in the office was able to find a way to make it check two GMail accounts. Seeing as how everyone in the office has more than one GMail account, that's a deal breaker.

/Professional Linux application developer
//Run all 3 major platforms at home

Mine currently is checking 3 Gmail accounts. Multitasks just fine and with the Bluetooth keyboard and mouse it's handier than a net book. Oh and it runs flash.

You add Gmail accounts to your Xoom just like every other android device, go to settings>accounts>add account. Rinse, repeat

4G LTE and an SD slot rocks too.

This was posted from my Xoom.


Which brand/model of rodent are you using with the Xoom? I have the standard Moto BT KB but I heard someone mention a mouse will work simultaneously.
 
2011-11-26 09:09:29 PM

Arklop: I have no experience with other tablet makers, but if they compare anything like PC laptops, I'll buy Apple and nothing else.

I have owned several PC laptops in my lifetime...Compaq, HP, Dell, etc...and not one of them lasted longer than 2, maybe 2 1/2 years before some major hardware breakdown occurred (usually the power supply.)

In contrast, I have owned one MacBook Pro, purchased in August of 2006. I've dropped it, spilled water on it, broken small pieces off of the frame, even caused the power adapter cable to literally burn itself into a brown, charred, melted mess...and the computer is still running great (using it right now to type this.) It's the best computer I've ever owned, no contest.


You sound clumsy.
 
2011-11-26 09:09:50 PM

Igor Jakovsky: I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them. The Ipad2 on the other hand...

/typing this on said Touchpad


Another firesale buyer?

/typing from my $149 Touchpad.
 
2011-11-26 09:19:09 PM

Mr. Lepage: Arklop: I have no experience with other tablet makers, but if they compare anything like PC laptops, I'll buy Apple and nothing else.

I have owned several PC laptops in my lifetime...Compaq, HP, Dell, etc...and not one of them lasted longer than 2, maybe 2 1/2 years before some major hardware breakdown occurred (usually the power supply.)

In contrast, I have owned one MacBook Pro, purchased in August of 2006. I've dropped it, spilled water on it, broken small pieces off of the frame, even caused the power adapter cable to literally burn itself into a brown, charred, melted mess...and the computer is still running great (using it right now to type this.) It's the best computer I've ever owned, no contest.

You sound clumsy.



With enough source material, I can sound like anything you can imagine ;-D
 
2011-11-26 09:21:28 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Igor Jakovsky: valkore: Igor Jakovsky: I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them.

I was lucky enough to get one of the 32GB Touchpads for $150. So what are functionality are you comparing? Watching Youtube, surfing the Web, and listening to MP3's? Being serious... Perhaps I am missing out on something revolutionary with these devices.

it was mainly tearing and laggy scrolling. Also switching between web pages and loading seemed slower. The Ipad and Acer have many more apps to be sure. But HP still has enough that I haven't really missed anything.

I had one of the 32gb Touchpads. After rooting and overclocking, it was a nice tablet. I still sold the thing. No Netflix app pretty much killed it for me.

They have a remote access app that lets you take control of your pc on the tablet. Supposedly you can use it to stream netflix via virtual pc...I haven't tried it yet but the internets say it works well.


http://www.splashtop.com/remote/hptouchpad
 
2011-11-26 09:23:34 PM
Yes! Vim for the win!

If you type in anything but VI/VIM you might as well put on a skirt and dance for us all nancy boys.

VI/VIM for 15 years +. No MSFT for the same time. Linux then Macs.

// I hate typing in this window btw. Keep wanting to hit the ESC key, and other VI commands. It is like an addiction.
 
2011-11-26 09:36:31 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: vegasj: CtrlAltDestroy: It doesn't take a very expensive laptop to go over the 64gb that an ipad is capable of storing. Even a $400 laptop is more functional than an ipad and has a full OS and can install just about any software you want on it.

But at what price? Lugging around a backpack and a X lbs laptop? Other than any CAD type of program what can't you to on the iPad you can on a laptop?

Don't you even try to handwave CAD. Some people need to use it as part of everyday work. Just because there's a magical position with some company that lets someone only use an ipad doesn't mean that everyone else will fit the same mold. Most wont.

MS Word
MS Excel
MS Access
MS Powerpoint
Various PLC software (RSLogix, etc)
CAD (as pointed out)
Photo editing/Photoshop (full versions)
Sound editing software (full versions)
Video editing software (full versions)
Maximo
ValveLink
Online based timesheet software
Intranet based file storage
Dreamweaver (full version)

I'm a tradesman. These were ones I thought of off the top of my head. I'm sure people who work in an office environment would have more to add. This is only thinking about programs used in a professional atmosphere. This doesn't count the myriad of personal use programs that an ipad can't run.

And if the weight difference between a laptop and a ipad is enough to break you then you're just sad. Just because it's lighter doesn't mean it's better. What's the use of carrying around a slab of technology if it doesn't do what you need it to?

Tablets are consumption devices. The are terrible creation devices. Some people actually make things from scratch at work.


I use LogMeIn and can do all of that if it is on my desktop.
 
2011-11-26 09:38:58 PM
There sure are a lot of unemployed people in this thread, unable to afford top class hardware from Apple.
 
2011-11-26 09:39:18 PM

LivefromGA: CtrlAltDestroy: vegasj: CtrlAltDestroy: It doesn't take a very expensive laptop to go over the 64gb that an ipad is capable of storing. Even a $400 laptop is more functional than an ipad and has a full OS and can install just about any software you want on it.

But at what price? Lugging around a backpack and a X lbs laptop? Other than any CAD type of program what can't you to on the iPad you can on a laptop?

Don't you even try to handwave CAD. Some people need to use it as part of everyday work. Just because there's a magical position with some company that lets someone only use an ipad doesn't mean that everyone else will fit the same mold. Most wont.

MS Word
MS Excel
MS Access
MS Powerpoint
Various PLC software (RSLogix, etc)
CAD (as pointed out)
Photo editing/Photoshop (full versions)
Sound editing software (full versions)
Video editing software (full versions)
Maximo
ValveLink
Online based timesheet software
Intranet based file storage
Dreamweaver (full version)

I'm a tradesman. These were ones I thought of off the top of my head. I'm sure people who work in an office environment would have more to add. This is only thinking about programs used in a professional atmosphere. This doesn't count the myriad of personal use programs that an ipad can't run.

And if the weight difference between a laptop and a ipad is enough to break you then you're just sad. Just because it's lighter doesn't mean it's better. What's the use of carrying around a slab of technology if it doesn't do what you need it to?

Tablets are consumption devices. The are terrible creation devices. Some people actually make things from scratch at work.

I use LogMeIn and can do all of that if it is on my desktop.


I forgot to mention, I can do all of that from my iPad if it is on my desktop, whether it is my work or home computer.
 
2011-11-26 09:41:01 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: MS Word
MS Excel
MS Access
MS Powerpoint


What's wrong with iWork for the iPad?

 
2011-11-26 09:41:15 PM

Ishkur: I'm not getting a tablet until I can multi-task (6-8 apps open and visible at once) with it


Yes, yes, that's where ten inch screens really shine.
 
2011-11-26 09:43:53 PM

vegasj: CtrlAltDestroy: MS Word
MS Excel
MS Access
MS Powerpoint

What's wrong with iWork for the iPad?


Or Quick Office, Documents to Go or any of the half dozen other MS Office compatible editing apps. Hell, by Kindle Fire even has two different apps for creating and editing Office docs that I got free from Amazon's Android app store.
 
2011-11-26 09:45:02 PM

Enormous-Schwanstucker: Callous: MrEricSir: At work, we have a Xoom tablet. It's really unimpressive, especially for the price tag ($400!!)

It's twice as thick as an iPad 2, most of the software is sluggish and doesn't have a consistent look and feel. Worst part is, nobody in the office was able to find a way to make it check two GMail accounts. Seeing as how everyone in the office has more than one GMail account, that's a deal breaker.

/Professional Linux application developer
//Run all 3 major platforms at home

Mine currently is checking 3 Gmail accounts. Multitasks just fine and with the Bluetooth keyboard and mouse it's handier than a net book. Oh and it runs flash.

You add Gmail accounts to your Xoom just like every other android device, go to settings>accounts>add account. Rinse, repeat

4G LTE and an SD slot rocks too.

This was posted from my Xoom.

Which brand/model of rodent are you using with the Xoom? I have the standard Moto BT KB but I heard someone mention a mouse will work simultaneously.


I'm running the Motorola SJYN0767A. Go it at the VZW store.
 
2011-11-26 09:46:14 PM

Arklop: Mr. Lepage:
You sound clumsy.


With enough source material, I can sound like anything you can imagine ;-D


Go on...
 
2011-11-26 09:47:17 PM
My question is: "Why?" You're locked in to what apps can be installed (unless you modify the firmware, thus voiding your warranty), and you're summarily locked into the vendor (Apple's App Store is the only portal through which you can purchase apps to be installed, which is a monopoly that facilitates price-fixing and eliminates healthy competition and harms the consumer by not allowing for independent innovation which could provide greater efficiency that would lower cost and thous allow for a lower end-user price), the operating system is inflexible, it's hardware is barely even mediocre, any expansion upon the prior is cost-prohibitive and bulky while not adding much functionality, and as a final insult to the potential buyer it is unreasonably expensive for what is provided.

Further, this technology has been around since 2002 and allowed for end-user customization such as a choice of operating system and thus a choice of what hardware (both built-in and peripheral) could be implemented as well as what software could be installed, and it actually cost less even though computer component prices have fallen sharply in the interim years so even when inflation is taken into account there is no reason for this tablet computing device to be as expensive as it is.
 
2011-11-26 10:02:55 PM

thomps: Britney Spear's Speculum: Our school gave us iPads after telling us that we needed laptops to go to school. They are pretty worthless at that point.

it depends on what you need a laptop for. my boss replaced his laptop with an ipad with a bluetooth keyboard without much of a problem. i can't do it because i actually need to manipulate excel sheets and presentations. if all you are doing is consuming media or light word processing, an ipad is a great replacement.


I can do that with the Samsung Saga that I bought years ago for $75. It's less expensive, has a microSDHC card slot, a built-in physical keyboard as well as handwriting recognition from the touch-screen in the native operating system, has a WiFi reciever that has actually beaten out Apple laptops (including netbooks) in regards to reliable connectivity when attempting to connect to the same access point as said laptops at the same time, has capabilities to connect to both CDMA and GSM networks in either CDMA-only mode, GSM-only mode or CDMA as the primary mode while automatically switch to GSM when CDMA is not available, allows me to install any app developed for Windows Mobile 6.5- that I desire without the need of a centralized vendor so I can choose from whom I purchase them allowing me to compare prices and customer service, and is smaller than an iPhone so it can easily fit in my pocket while the screen is still a decent size. And it can run Flash (v8-).

My phone that is a few years old and cost me only $75 is more useful than an iPad2.
 
2011-11-26 10:03:07 PM
There is more than enough mac smugness and "PC" hatred of Apple fanboys to go around. Truth at this point is that over 90% of Fortune 500 companies are using or testing out using iPhones and iPads. Lowes bought over 40,000 iPhones for employees for tasks like inventory tracking and showing customers how to videos - the demise of Apple has long been predicted by folks who like to think they know a lot about "technology", yet Dell, Compaq, HP are the giant losers in the PC market for the foreseeable future. The fact that Apple maintains high profit ratios/ overprices obviously raises costs to buyers, but looking at iPod, iPhone and iPad sales it's also obvious plenty of buyers are willing to pay. That is a big reason iPhone sales account for two thirds of the total profits in mobile phone sales. The fact that these devices/ "iToys" are cross platform for the most part also means their use and sales are only going to increase as time goes on. Some of my friends have sold their Apple stock . . . i'll just keep watching it go up over the long haul, compared to the value of companies selling products for people who "know a lot about technology"

Link (new window)
 
2011-11-26 10:04:11 PM

Kar98: There sure are a lot of unemployed people in this thread, unable to afford top class hardware from Apple.




Occupy Fark! Who's with me?!!!
 
2011-11-26 10:21:20 PM
Ive tried the IPad and about 10 or so cheap Androids. Admittedly, the IPad beat those Androids. Yesterday, though, I got a brand new 4GLTE XOOM for 200.00. Once I remove the GPS and email apps from my phone, the data-plan willl balance out. So far, I haven't found ANYTHING about the XOOM that is inferior to the IPad. Especially for the relative price, I'm more than satisfied.
 
2011-11-26 10:23:10 PM

CruJones: valkore: Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.

So in other words, Apple isn't going anywhere. Apple's premise that "it just works" is what appeals to people who feel like traditional PCs are over their head. Despite personal computer sales exploding since the mid-90's and nearly everyone having at least one in their home, the vast majority of computer users still don't know anything about technology. That's why places like Geek Squad are raking in the cash and why devices like tablets exist in the first place. A technologically savvy person would easily see that an ultraportable laptop does much more than a tablet.

I work at a large IT company, and most who don't run Linux love Apple stuff. When we give away iPads in contests everyone wants one.


Yeah, because just since someone knows technology doesn't mean they aren't susceptible to advertising that plays on emotions such as inadequacy and wanting acceptance by belonging to a group.

/only one in BOTH of my programming groups that primarily uses *nix (Debian)
//majority use Apple products
///the Ruby programming group CONSTANTLY has trouble with WiFi connectivity... over WEP!!!
 
2011-11-26 10:26:53 PM

migueloncito: There is more than enough mac smugness and "PC" hatred of Apple fanboys to go around. Truth at this point is that over 90% of Fortune 500 companies are using or testing out using iPhones and iPads. Lowes bought over 40,000 iPhones for employees for tasks like inventory tracking and showing customers how to videos - the demise of Apple has long been predicted by folks who like to think they know a lot about "technology", yet Dell, Compaq, HP are the giant losers in the PC market for the foreseeable future. The fact that Apple maintains high profit ratios/ overprices obviously raises costs to buyers, but looking at iPod, iPhone and iPad sales it's also obvious plenty of buyers are willing to pay. That is a big reason iPhone sales account for two thirds of the total profits in mobile phone sales. The fact that these devices/ "iToys" are cross platform for the most part also means their use and sales are only going to increase as time goes on. Some of my friends have sold their Apple stock . . . i'll just keep watching it go up over the long haul, compared to the value of companies selling products for people who "know a lot about technology"

Link (new window)


Stupid people make purchases based on things they don't understand, glib emotions, and flippant spontaneous desires.

And you're not only enabling them but profiting from that.

... I actually don't know how to feel about the latter.
 
2011-11-26 10:35:40 PM

TheDirtyNacho: Englebert Slaptyback: TheDirtyNacho

I'm a heavy photoshop user (on my laptop), but in there I'm using a pen tablet. Wacom has made for years actual tablet devices that you can draw directly on the screen with, though they have been very expensive. There's really no reason to even have a mouse anymore.


Wacom's Bamboo tablets are very inexpensive. I wouldn't expect a graphics department to use them, but not all Wacom stuff is pricy.


I'm referring to things like the Cintiq - it is a generously sized tablet display that you can draw directly on. I don't know the price of them now, but they used to be a couple of thousand.


Still a couple of grand, and just going up. Just bought the 21UX (not the new HD model, but the 21 inch screen that preceded it) and though they list at places like Amazon and the manufacturer for 2,000, it's pretty hard to find one under 2,300 due to the fact that nearly every online retailer is chronically sold out. (Apple lists them at 2,500 iirc, and that's about where they start on CL ... used. Ugh.) There's something like a 2 month waitlist even if you purchase directly via Wacom.

I'm a pretty hardcore Cintiq user at this point, since I have the old model at work and the newer one at home, and I still prefer the mouse for everything that isn't drawing. It's quicker and much less cumbersome to manage artwork and references on two screens that way.
 
2011-11-26 10:48:36 PM

scanman61: Igor Jakovsky: I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them. The Ipad2 on the other hand...

/typing this on said Touchpad

Another firesale buyer?

/typing from my $149 Touchpad.


yup, got one of the last 5 at hhgregg..16 gig
 
2011-11-26 11:19:52 PM

thelordofcheese: migueloncito: There is more than enough mac smugness and "PC" hatred of Apple fanboys to go around. Truth at this point is that over 90% of Fortune 500 companies are using or testing out using iPhones and iPads. Lowes bought over 40,000 iPhones for employees for tasks like inventory tracking and showing customers how to videos - the demise of Apple has long been predicted by folks who like to think they know a lot about "technology", yet Dell, Compaq, HP are the giant losers in the PC market for the foreseeable future. The fact that Apple maintains high profit ratios/ overprices obviously raises costs to buyers, but looking at iPod, iPhone and iPad sales it's also obvious plenty of buyers are willing to pay. That is a big reason iPhone sales account for two thirds of the total profits in mobile phone sales. The fact that these devices/ "iToys" are cross platform for the most part also means their use and sales are only going to increase as time goes on. Some of my friends have sold their Apple stock . . . i'll just keep watching it go up over the long haul, compared to the value of companies selling products for people who "know a lot about technology"

Link (new window)

Stupid people make purchases based on things they don't understand, glib emotions, and flippant spontaneous desires.

And you're not only enabling them but profiting from that.

... I actually don't know how to feel about the latter.


Apple has a brilliant marketing department and a cult like following. They don't have to produce the best product. They are very good at telling the public they produce the best product and their flag bearers trumpet it. Whether they know the truth or not is debatable. I am amazed at how often I am told by an iPhone/iPad owner about something their iProduct does like it's the only device in the world that does it. It gets almost embarrassing how many times I say, "Yea mine does that too". I begin to feel like it's a contest of one-ups-manship. I don't care to have a contest of who's device is better. I would rather find out what cool things one device does over the other and figure out how to get the other to do them as well.

Frankly, the fact that there is no choice of hardware other than memory capacity was enough reason for me to look elsewhere. And the fact that without jailbreaking the phone you can't install 3rd party apps was a deal breaker. I'm too much of a tinkerer. And I want custom ROMs. And there are new Android handsets and tablets coming out every month, iPhone... once a year. Fark that, I'll have at least 3 different phones in a year. I can't put the icons where I want them on the home screen? Seriously? No widgets?

I by no means hate Apple or their line of products. But the iPhone 4s was a complete let down. No 4G, small screen, etc.
 
2011-11-26 11:34:01 PM

b0rscht: Both Ric, and this meme, are getting old.
[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 160x200]


Hush, or he'll shame us into giving money to another damn charity.
 
2011-11-26 11:41:49 PM

Digital Communist: The bottom line is this: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology.


Which is another way of saying that Apple knows how important creating easy to use user interfaces is. You couldn't sound more like a fan boy right now.

/j/k
//i have never owned an apple product
 
2011-11-26 11:56:44 PM

stuffer: Callous:The app is called writepad and it's available on the android market for the same $4.99.

Why do iPhans always assume that anything cool is exclusive to iProducts?

I think a lot of people like the app store more than the android market, apple filtering out crap is a plus to them. They may trust apple with their credit card info more as well since they have proved themselves with the itunes store. I haven't seen anything on android that even makes me want to jailbreak my iphone, let alone not available on iphone even if you jailbreak.


Except... that's not what he said. He didn't say anything about preferring to buy the same app on the app store, he said the app was exclusive to Apple period. Going so far as to say that android products will always be inferior. As was pointed out, the app has little to do with the apple ipad and was developed by a third party developer, the technology itself was widely available before the Ipad even existed!

This pattern leads many to assume that most apple/iPad users have no real understanding of existing technology and assume everything comes straight from apple, since that is who they exclusively shopped from. We keep hearing about how these products are superior over all others, but not a single poster in this thread has really shown what can be done on an iPad that cannot be done on an equivalent android device. The few who have tried were easily refuted, so all we're really left with is vague, subjective opinions of "the web browsing wasn't really has good", "trouble scrolling" etc. Meanwhile numerous android users have listed multiple reasons they prefer their device over shortcomings with the iPad.

Sure if you compare a $200 device with a $700 device, the iPad is the clear winner. But that's another advantage of android devices is that you can mix and match features to buy a product that matches your price level.
 
2011-11-27 12:00:15 AM

Callous:

I'm running the Motorola SJYN0767A. Go it at the VZW store.


Gracias!

I'll see if I can order it online.
 
2011-11-27 12:04:33 AM

ParaHandy: don't buy a Kindle Fire until you know for sure it can be jailbroken


it was jailbroken the same day it was released

hax
 
2011-11-27 12:09:27 AM
People are clamoring to use their iPhones and androids at work because corporate IT departments are backwards, forcing their employees to drag a second phone (blackberry) around with them everywhere so the can get their email and calendar behind 17 firewalls. The problem is, blackberry is dead, and very small amount of people are buying torch and playbook tablets in comparison to iOS and android devices.

IOS and android can do corporate email and calendar fine. In addition, they can do SO much more with their web browsing and app capabilities. Companies are now shifting towards a BYOD (bring your own device) environment where they support whatever device an employee already owns. This saves their department money, because they don't have to purchase every employee a phone, and makes their employees happier.

The next few years will see a huge surge in enterprise mobile apps, as many software firms port their desktop software to iOS and android. Companies like Apperian with their EASE platform facilitate this by providing corporate IT with customized, branded app stores to deliver apps and content securely to their employees. The future is about managing apps and content on employee devices without intruding on their personal information or locking their device down.
 
2011-11-27 12:13:38 AM

Callous: I by no means hate Apple or their line of products. But the iPhone 4s was a complete let down. No 4G, small screen, etc.


my thoughts on the 4s-
4g-don't care, nowhere I am has it
small screen- ideal size for me-larger harder to fit in pocket/can't reach everywhere one handed easily.

Opposite of letdown for me, better camera and faster chip worth it alone. Once a year is more than often enough for me to upgrade, and when nothing changes I don't have to buy a new mount for my car or any other accessories.

In addition, I think siri is awesome and use it quite often. no matter what you're doing just lift the phone to your ear and your personal assistant is waiting for you. i know a bunch of android people who wish they had siri on their phone-they think it's more accurate and can do some useful things android's voice can't do, and like the personality and varied responses.

it's funny how 2 people see the same thing and come to totally different conclusions, but by saying "it was a complete letdown" makes you sound like a tool not knowing opinion from fact, whereas "I think it was a complete letdown" is the accurate way of stating that it is how YOU feel about it, acknowledging that others with different opinions exist.
 
2011-11-27 12:14:20 AM
thelordofcheese Stupid people make purchases based on things they don't understand, glib emotions, and flippant spontaneous desires.

i think your observation is applicable to most decisions by consumer "zombies" in this economy, not at all limited to Apple, Porsche or Rolex purchases, but i suppose that is not surprising with stupidity at pandemic levels. It is why places like Public Storage (investigate, then consider investing in storage companies) are renting "garages" for consumers to pay for the privilege of keeping crap they do not need, but cannot bear to part with . . . emotions related to "things" and their cachet, the keeping up with, or outdoing, the Joneses is a great part of why so many folks are beyond their eyeballs in debt and homes overflowing with "stuff"


And you're not only enabling them but profiting from that.

... I actually don't know how to feel about the latter.


i'm not really sure i understand how I'm enabling them, unless you mean by investing in their stock, as for my taking a financial risk and profiting from it . . . i pay taxes on it, and as a retired school teacher the money to invest comes from not spending money for junk i don't need - not some trust fun. Many companies make a lot of their money gauging the level of consumer stupidity that is exploitable. Many of them, Apple included, derive much of their profits by using low cost labor working in deplorable conditions. Consumers, as much as investors, are responsible for this situation.
 
2011-11-27 12:36:26 AM

ChuDogg: We keep hearing about how these products are superior over all others, but not a single poster in this thread has really shown what can be done on an iPad that cannot be done on an equivalent android device. The few who have tried were easily refuted.


My thoughts on that are that true, there may not be anything that can be done on an ipad that can't be done on android, but that's not the point or the reason apple has done so well or why people call their products "superior". other music players could do MORE than the ipod, but they got their ass kicked. other smartphones could do the same things as the iphone before it came out, but without the apple polish, those things were unused by the masses. apple has a way of making things accessible so normal people actually do the things it's capable of, not just tech geeks who flash their own roms and stuff who hang out here. That's why apple has done so well business wise. They broke down the undefinable barriers keeping people separated from their technology that many don't even realize exist. I bet a 2 year old can pick up an ipad and figure it out quicker than an android product, and I bet so even harder for old people.

While i'm sure you can shoot a hd video on an android, edit together and crop a few different clips, add a soundtrack and some effects then upload and share it, I can just about guarantee that a higher percentage of apple users actually do it than android ones, and that's the apple magic that lures so many in.
 
2011-11-27 12:46:54 AM

CtrlAltDestroy: Computer mice are faster and easier for many things. You can move a mouse around in a 2x2 square on your mouse pad/desk and reach everywhere on the screen.


It's 2011, and you're still moving more than your thumb?

img231.imageshack.us
sup
 
2011-11-27 12:55:03 AM
as for Mr. Obvious grasping iPad popularity
trappedspirit pointed out something that should be obvious to anyone, whether tech savvy or technophobe Apple knows how important creating easy to use user interfaces is.

again, the tech know-how of most consumers is not close to that of folks, {of whom there are obviously many here at Fark}, who are at ease jailbreaking a phone, or studied Computer Science, or deal with technology as their profession or a serious hobby . . . if you want to sell tech stuff to more people, not less, you make it easier and faster to master . . .

and yes, it obviously works to stoke the illusion that these products make one, sexier, younger, hipper, etc. because that is what tends to sell/brainwash consumers that they have to own some gadget they may have very little use for . . . Apple is a prominent example of the power associated with a "brand" but to think branding isn't used in almost all marketing is naive. . .

an eye opening book, especially for those who think they are immune to advertising, is Brandwashing by Martin Lindstrom - Apple is fairly overt in their use of this strategy, but many companies succeed or try to succeed using similar routes.
 
2011-11-27 12:56:32 AM
Callous: And there are new Android handsets and tablets coming out every month

You act like that's a good thing. It isn't for most consumers. Most people don't want to drop a bundle on a tablet only to see the next big thing a month or two later.

---

This thread is just another Fark Apple vs. something circle jerk.
 
2011-11-27 01:11:24 AM
oh yay, this thread AGAIN!!!
 
2011-11-27 01:19:58 AM

stuffer: Callous: I by no means hate Apple or their line of products. But the iPhone 4s was a complete let down. No 4G, small screen, etc.

my thoughts on the 4s-
4g-don't care, nowhere I am has it
small screen- ideal size for me-larger harder to fit in pocket/can't reach everywhere one handed easily.

Opposite of letdown for me, better camera and faster chip worth it alone. Once a year is more than often enough for me to upgrade, and when nothing changes I don't have to buy a new mount for my car or any other accessories.

In addition, I think siri is awesome and use it quite often. no matter what you're doing just lift the phone to your ear and your personal assistant is waiting for you. i know a bunch of android people who wish they had siri on their phone-they think it's more accurate and can do some useful things android's voice can't do, and like the personality and varied responses.

it's funny how 2 people see the same thing and come to totally different conclusions, but by saying "it was a complete letdown" makes you sound like a tool not knowing opinion from fact, whereas "I think it was a complete letdown" is the accurate way of stating that it is how YOU feel about it, acknowledging that others with different opinions exist.


Sure if slower and smaller is what you prefer that's fine. But when buying something new that is at least equal to products that have already been out for months.

Yea Siri is great, no dispute. Having one superior feature while have many inferior ones, or lacking them completely, will not impress most people. And splitting hairs about how I phrased my opinion about it to call me a tool makes you look like a fanboi.
 
2011-11-27 01:22:14 AM

Callous:

Sure if slower and smaller is what you prefer that's fine. But when buying something new that is at least equal to products that have already been out for months.


Wow that sentence got cludged.

But when buying something new most people want something that is at least equal to products that have already been out for months.
 
2011-11-27 01:26:36 AM

Some Bass Playing Guy: Callous: And there are new Android handsets and tablets coming out every month

You act like that's a good thing. It isn't for most consumers. Most people don't want to drop a bundle on a tablet only to see the next big thing a month or two later.

---

This thread is just another Fark Apple vs. something circle jerk.


It is a good thing. They're called choices. Having a selection of hardware to choose from is superior to "You will buy this and like it even if it isn't as good as cheaper products that have been out for months".
 
2011-11-27 01:44:04 AM

stuffer: ChuDogg: We keep hearing about how these products are superior over all others, but not a single poster in this thread has really shown what can be done on an iPad that cannot be done on an equivalent android device. The few who have tried were easily refuted.

My thoughts on that are that true, there may not be anything that can be done on an ipad that can't be done on android, but that's not the point or the reason apple has done so well or why people call their products "superior". other music players could do MORE than the ipod, but they got their ass kicked. other smartphones could do the same things as the iphone before it came out, but without the apple polish, those things were unused by the masses. apple has a way of making things accessible so normal people actually do the things it's capable of, not just tech geeks who flash their own roms and stuff who hang out here. That's why apple has done so well business wise. They broke down the undefinable barriers keeping people separated from their technology that many don't even realize exist. I bet a 2 year old can pick up an ipad and figure it out quicker than an android product, and I bet so even harder for old people.

While i'm sure you can shoot a hd video on an android, edit together and crop a few different clips, add a soundtrack and some effects then upload and share it, I can just about guarantee that a higher percentage of apple users actually do it than android ones, and that's the apple magic that lures so many in.


As was already shown, most of these apps are made by third party developers, who release them on the android market as well.

This is another reoccurring theme we keep seeing from apple users: highlighting how successful the company is doing. Unless you're posting in the business tab, I really don't see how profitable or popular the company making my products is. In fact, I would probably prefer it be less profitable as it shows they're not taking advantage of their customers through excessive mark ups. And I have yet to find a great app for the iPad/iPhone that sells for 4.99 that typically doesn't have a free competitor for the android. Apple doesn't like free stuff so when you use the app store the UI is almost designed to hide the fact that there is actually free stuff. With android getting free apps is commonplace, so the popularity of iPad hasn't really affected usage of the droids at all. And I say that as someone that uses both an iPad and droids, hopefully my next item will be the galaxy if I get around to it as it really blows everything from iPad out of the water. And I don't like being restricted by the iPad, the lack of external features is a major pain in my line of work. And I'm not really a techie either, I work in sales/marketing for a brokerage firm. Most of this stuff is really just common sense, I don't some corporate father figure to tell me what I should and should not be doing with my stuff.

So by all means, cheer lead the marketing team of Apple for "presenting technology" that's commonly available elsewhere. It really doesn't benefit you as a consumer though.
 
2011-11-27 02:03:50 AM
Have to go to bed, so can't read all the posts. CSS time though.

Over thanksgiving with my family, my Apple Fanboi BIL said something about ipad best e-reader only $500 blah blah blah, and since I was in the middle of cooking all I said was well I dunno, I know some people who really like their Kindles. He proceeded to try and start a loyalty war for the next couple of minutes.

Finally I was like dude, I'm just commenting, I really don't care either way. Now shut up while I go finish making YOUR dinner.

Gorram fan boys. The man is older than I am but you'd think he was a 16 yo hyped up on Mt. Dew when it comes to the latest Apple toy.
 
2011-11-27 02:10:23 AM
Oooh, it's the bi-weekly circle-jerk of brainwashed iHaters! Is it fun parroting the same misinformation over and over again?
 
2011-11-27 02:10:55 AM
Oh right, and my BIL went so far as to point out disparage that Amazon is selling Kindles at a loss and planning to make up the difference in downloads/addons, versus Apple making like $150 off every ipad. Basically he was wanking off Apple verbally to the entire family.

When I pointed out that all the console/game makers do the same thing Amazon is doing every time they release a system, he didn't really have a response. It was... interesting.
 
2011-11-27 02:23:45 AM

stuffer: While i'm sure you can shoot a hd video on an android, edit together and crop a few different clips, add a soundtrack and some effects then upload and share it, I can just about guarantee that a higher percentage of apple users actually do it than android ones, and that's the apple magic that lures so many in.


Oh, and I'm pretty sure this characterization was way off base. Most other iPad I've met users don't really know anything other than Angry Birds, Email, and youtube. While most of my friends and associates with droids (especially the galaxy) are always tinkering, hacking away, and doing amazing stuff with them.
 
2011-11-27 02:44:33 AM

CruJones: I can read a book, watch a movie, then tuck it in the seat pocket in front of me.


I'd be more careful if I were you...

http://consumerist.com/2011/04/airline-employees-really-dont-care-tha t -you-left-your-ipad-on-the-plane.html

http://consumerist.com/2011/11/us-airways-response-to-my-lost-ipad-yo u re-not-going-to-get-it-back.html
 
2011-11-27 02:53:41 AM

ChuDogg:
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this characterization was way off base. Most other iPad I've met users don't really know anything other than Angry Birds, Email, and youtube. While most of my friends and associates with droids (especially the galaxy) are always tinkering, hacking away, and doing amazing stuff with them.

what sort of amazing stuff are you talking about? and any of it not possible with jailbroken istuff?
 
2011-11-27 02:57:36 AM
So this weekend I got two transformer tabs for $500 (black Friday deal). My only previous tab experience was with an iPad (first generation, to be fair). This is WAY better in every way than the iPad. Sleeker, faster, easier to use, card reader, hdmi... Just, really nice all around. The only real downfall I've found so far are the gorilla glass seems to like taking fingerprints and it's ever so slightly heavier. Oh, and slightly less battery life, though I am on hour 12 of constant use and still over 40% battery. I would have felt it was worth *one* for this price. I can't even understand wanting an iPad over this, other than being able to say I have an iPad.

Oh - and the next transformer tab is due (or has come - haven't checked lately) out soon and are um... Quite a bit more powerful.

Just sayin'...

/typing from my Asus transformer tab, getting a kick, etc
 
2011-11-27 03:13:08 AM

T.rex: thismomentinblackhistory: The iPad is insanely cheap, depending on why you are buying one.

$500 to act smug? I can do that for free.


My school district has been purchasing them as viable alternatives to AAC devices that typically run in the thousands. It's saved us a boatload of cash and the students do better with them. It is revolutionizing many types of educational based therapy before our eyes. Meanwhile, the creators of Dynavox are still dry-humping their patents from the 70s.

I'm sure it's cool for Angry Birds, too, but it is changing lives when it comes to kiddos that can't otherwise communicate.

The thousands of dollars required for a Dynavox or similar system is nothing compared to the iPriceTag.
 
2011-11-27 03:13:10 AM

stuffer: ChuDogg:
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this characterization was way off base. Most other iPad I've met users don't really know anything other than Angry Birds, Email, and youtube. While most of my friends and associates with droids (especially the galaxy) are always tinkering, hacking away, and doing amazing stuff with them.
what sort of amazing stuff are you talking about? and any of it not possible with jailbroken istuff?


Things like writing custom ROMs.
 
2011-11-27 03:14:59 AM

CtrlAltDestroy: vegasj: thismomentinblackhistory: The iPad is insanely cheap, depending on why you are buying one.

Compared to most6 laptops, yup.

I love hearing people biatch about paying $500, $600 or even $700... then I remind them a laptop that might have more HD space would run over $1,000+

The hell are you talking about? It doesn't take a very expensive laptop to go over the 64gb that an ipad is capable of storing. Even a $400 laptop is more functional than an ipad and has a full OS and can install just about any software you want on it.

The only laptops that force you to pay over $1,000 are apple ones. If you really wanted the OS a hackintosh is still cheaper than the cheapest apple laptop.


Some people can't use laptops. See my reply to T.Rex. Yeah, I was kind of baiting the obvious Apple zombg crowd, but there is something to be said there.
 
2011-11-27 03:19:40 AM

largedon: Shadowknight: Rootus: Shadowknight: I'm posting this on my Toshiba Thrive while editing photos from my SLR camera memory stick inserted in the convenient SD card slot and typing on a standard USB keyboard, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

Seriously, the iPad can suck it. I got everything I need right here, twice the features for a cheaper price.

Fancy SLR you got there which takes an SD card. LOL

I just got it last week, just now getting it to upgrade from the old point and clicks. It's a starter, not a professional camera by any means. Just a way to get me used going in the direction of actual photagraphy.

How are you liking the Toshiba Thrive. Want to get my wife a tablet for Christmas and was settling on the Thrive. All she really uses it for is multimedia with a little bit of productivity tossed in. The Thrive looks like one of the best I've seen with the large SD card slot and all the USB connects. Plus Android is a huge plus for me.


Its quite excellent. About my only complaints are Android oriented, as in the spellcheck/autocorrect sucks and that Skype has yet to put out an Android app that uses the camera and allows for video calls. Otherwise, the thing has been great.
 
2011-11-27 03:26:12 AM

Rootus: Shadowknight: I just got it last week, just now getting it to upgrade from the old point and clicks. It's a starter, not a professional camera by any means. Just a way to get me used going in the direction of actual photagraphy.

Once you're hooked on SLR, you'll never want to go back. Point and shoot cameras are convenient, but so very slow, and even the best compact has a fairly weak sensor compared to a decent SLR. The old adage to buy the best lens you can afford and the cheapest body you can stand is pretty good advice. The lens holds value pretty well and the body depreciates very fast.


My wife surprised my with the Cannon Rebel t3i body, basic lens, and a 300mm telescopic lens. I went out and got a glare cover and a set of filters, and have been tying with this cheap photo editing software that came with my camera on my laptop and some cheaper program I downloaded off the Android market on my tablet. Its no Photoshop, but works surprisingly well.

I figure if I get the basics down well enough and it develops (get it?!) into a hobby, I'll upgrade further. But for now, its more than enough.
 
2011-11-27 03:27:00 AM

b0rscht: Both Ric, and this meme, are getting old.
[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 160x200]


Blasphemy! Ric is my hero and role model.
 
2011-11-27 03:28:09 AM

Callous:
Things like writing custom ROMs.


so what does a custom ROM let you do that you can't do on a JB ipad?
 
2011-11-27 04:51:17 AM

Raithun: CtrlAltDestroy: Computer mice are faster and easier for many things. You can move a mouse around in a 2x2 square on your mouse pad/desk and reach everywhere on the screen.

It's 2011, and you're still moving more than your thumb?

[img231.imageshack.us image 300x300]
sup


www.microsoft.com

You're doing it wrong.
 
2011-11-27 07:39:25 AM

b0rscht: Both Ric, and this meme, are getting old.
[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 160x200]


Not to me......until this story, I thought Ric was strictly a made-up character. Like Ron Obvious.

/personal favorite
 
2011-11-27 08:14:02 AM

Some Bass Playing Guy: Callous: And there are new Android handsets and tablets coming out every month

You act like that's a good thing. It isn't for most consumers. Most people don't want to drop a bundle on a tablet only to see the next big thing a month or two later.

---

This thread is just another Fark Apple vs. something circle jerk.


Heh heh,
It sounds like youre saying, "I dont want to buy a product where theres a fancier versiom coming out every 3 months, where I get UPSTAGED at the coffee shop. With an iPad I can look cool for at least a year!"

The ipad and ipods probably are just better devices in terms of the feel of the interface. I think that may be true when I compare the ipod touchto my droid phone. But ot isnt enough of a difference to get me to buy one. What Ill probably get is a 7" android tablet because the ipad is too damn big and the touch is too small. And I need the sd slot. And I may root it. Thats what product diversity gets you.
 
2011-11-27 08:34:51 AM

Arklop: RentalMetard: I guess it's a better buy if you regularly beat the sh*t out of your laptop. I have a Dell and an HP that are both over five years old at this point, pretty heavily used, and they both work fine. And both of them combined ran up a price tag of a little over half of what a Macbook Pro costs.

The important point here is that I didn't beat up the PC laptops (I don't recall ever dropping one, or spilling water on one until the Mac), yet they still failed in less than half the current lifespan of my MacBook. And I'm not saying all PC laptops fail in less than 3 years. I'm saying all PC laptops I've owned have failed within 3 years. Maybe all the ones I had were just cheaply-made, overpriced junk.*shrug*


I agree with RentalMetard. If your killing an off the shelf laptop in 3 years your doing something wrong.
My cheap Dell has put up with 6 years worth of being carried around the farm. I've left it sit in the truck for days in every season subjecting it to extreme heat and cold. I've used it in the greenhouse in high humidity. It spent countless hours riding around in the tractor being used for GPS mapping and MP3 player and I bought it used. The only thing I've ever replaced was the battery.

I own 1 apple device now, a used 30 gig Ipod. For 50 bucks I couldn't pass it up. Would I buy one new? NEVER. They are way overpriced for what you get, and used stuff is way overpriced due to the fact that apple owners usually think that used stuff is worth 75% of new.
 
2011-11-27 08:48:52 AM

CtrlAltDestroy:
That's kinda the point. People like to praise the ipad as some magical do-all device. People like vegasj. They're not. They're good for looking at pictures and files. They fall short in almost ever other respect. Phrases like,

"Other than any CAD type of program what can't you to on the iPad you can on a laptop?"

are absolutely idiotic.


The thing about the iPad and indeed any ARM based tablet is... they can be quite useful for a business. But they are absolutley not a replacement for a laptop/desktop machine. Which seems to be where the confusion sets in and you run in to the American mentality of "If you're not X then you're Y" problem.

The iPad can be very useful in certain areas of a business. More so than a laptop is to that area of a business. But it is not a replacement for everyones laptop/desktop.

Field service & Sales being the two departments that spring to mind.

Anybody writing it off as having zero use to a business is as idiotic as someone claiming it can replace your average workstation.
 
2011-11-27 09:38:19 AM

Igor Jakovsky: scanman61: Igor Jakovsky: I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them. The Ipad2 on the other hand...

/typing this on said Touchpad

Another firesale buyer?

/typing from my $149 Touchpad.

yup, got one of the last 5 at hhgregg..16 gig


I got two 32 GB Touchpads, one for me and one for my wife. Now I wish I had bought a 16 GB for my 9 year old while I was at it. Great tablets for twice the price...but not 4 times the price.
 
2011-11-27 10:05:52 AM

Callous: stuffer: ChuDogg:
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this characterization was way off base. Most other iPad I've met users don't really know anything other than Angry Birds, Email, and youtube. While most of my friends and associates with droids (especially the galaxy) are always tinkering, hacking away, and doing amazing stuff with them.
what sort of amazing stuff are you talking about? and any of it not possible with jailbroken istuff?

Things like writing custom ROMs.


Oooooh, that's AMAAAAZING.

/got a custom ROM on my iPhone.
// still got the warranty on my iPad 2
 
2011-11-27 10:16:10 AM

stuffer: Callous:
Things like writing custom ROMs.

so what does a custom ROM let you do that you can't do on a JB ipad?


You can completely rewrite the operating system anyway you want.
 
2011-11-27 10:25:36 AM

Kar98: Callous: stuffer: ChuDogg:
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this characterization was way off base. Most other iPad I've met users don't really know anything other than Angry Birds, Email, and youtube. While most of my friends and associates with droids (especially the galaxy) are always tinkering, hacking away, and doing amazing stuff with them.
what sort of amazing stuff are you talking about? and any of it not possible with jailbroken istuff?

Things like writing custom ROMs.

Oooooh, that's AMAAAAZING.

/got a custom ROM on my iPhone.
// still got the warranty on my iPad 2


Care to explain how you did it? Or a link to instructions on how to do it.
 
2011-11-27 10:26:35 AM

ChuDogg: JackieRabbit: My wife just put an app on her iPad that samples her handwriting by having her write on the screen with her finger or a stylus until it has learned her handwriting (about 10 sentences). THen she just write on the screen and the app transforms it flawlessly to text, which can be save in Yojimbo as text or PDF, sent as an email, etc. It's a very cool app. Especially for $4.99. She loves it and I see why. And that's only one of the amazing things iPad does. Until the other tablets can do such things cheaper than Apple, they'll never eat into iPad's market share.

/wife prefers the Kindle app for iPad over Apple reader.

Heh... That technology existed on tablets before ipad even existed as a concept.


Yeah, I know, I've seen it. But it didn't work worth a damn and you could do very little with the output. This app integrates seamlessly with any iPad app that handles text or PDF. Handwriting recognition software has been around for some time now, but it is just now being perfected for handheld devices.

Trying to compare earlier tables with iPad is like comparing a rotary phone to a cell phone. iPad reinvented the tablet and now everyone's trying to catch up.

I sure wish I was sitting on a big pile of Apple stock. Consumer Reports just did a survey: one of every five people will be giving an iPad as a Christmas gift this year.
 
2011-11-27 10:26:37 AM
Love my iPod Touches, but I early gifted myself with a pre-order for the KFire. Fantastic choice.

It shouldn't be compared to an iPad. It's more in line with the 3rd generation of the iPod Touch. It doesn't have a camera (didn't want another one. So the big diff? Can't figure what it would be. I can skype/facetime from my laptops or 4th gen iPod touch. I can hold it in one hand. The screen is fine for movies/TV - and even hockey.

The wife thought it was a bit too big, thick and heavy for her liking (and yes, her liking smaller, thinner and lighter things could explain why she sleeps with me), so she'll stick with her iPod.

/Those complaining that a 7 inch screen is too small are the same ones who are perfectly happy doing stuff on their smart phones.
//Only went with the KF because I already have Prime
 
kab
2011-11-27 10:51:27 AM
Tablet? Or laptop. It's so hard to decide... I mean.. one is remotely useful, but the other will make me look cool at the coffee shop.

Decisions, decisions.
 
2011-11-27 10:53:44 AM

safetycap: Digital Communist: Avoiding the command line is Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android ditch the mouse and aways launch a terminal with a "$" prompt.

FIFY, ace.

Sorry, if it doesn't have AWK, SED, VIM and Perl, it is just a toy.
(Which is why I love my Macbook Pro)

[i651.photobucket.com image 640x386]


Uhhh.... Android has linux underpinnings -- every Android tablet and smartphone has a command line.
 
2011-11-27 11:15:50 AM

Callous: Some Bass Playing Guy: Callous: And there are new Android handsets and tablets coming out every month

You act like that's a good thing. It isn't for most consumers. Most people don't want to drop a bundle on a tablet only to see the next big thing a month or two later.

---

This thread is just another Fark Apple vs. something circle jerk.

It is a good thing. They're called choices. Having a selection of hardware to choose from is superior to "You will buy this and like it even if it isn't as good as cheaper products that have been out for months years".


Seriously, the first iPad had specs that were available at least 5 years prior from other vendors and those systems allowed a variety of operating systems which most allowed abundant freedom for choosing which software to install and from which vendor.
 
2011-11-27 11:18:45 AM

safetycap: Digital Communist: Avoiding the command line is Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android ditch the mouse and aways launch a terminal with a "$" prompt.

FIFY, ace.

Sorry, if it doesn't have AWK, SED, VIM and Perl, it is just a toy.
(Which is why I love my Macbook Pro)

[i651.photobucket.com image 640x386]


deeeerp...

/also wooooooooosh!
//was actually pleasantly surprised when I got my first Mac and found most of the Linux tools I need there, even if they were a bit dated
 
2011-11-27 11:25:40 AM

Mad_Radhu: coco ebert: Besides it being lighter, I'm not sure what an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard provides that a netbook or small laptop can't provide. In fact, you can't multitask with an iPad. Is it the apps that make it so special?

For business, the iPad isn't really a computer replacement so much as a clipboard replacement. Viewing PDFs or blueprints, reviewing documents and marking them up for editing, entering info into various forms, acting as a mobile point-of-sale system, etc. Basically it is great for the types of tasks where you are going to be walking around working with documents, as opposed to a laptop where you need to sit down somewhere and type in stuff. Sure, you can always get a convertible tablet but those are generally heavier and the Windows UI still just doesn't work that great with touchscreen compared to an iPad or Android tablet.

When light and thin ARM-based Win 8 tablets are available in a year or two, the iPad may have some major competition for that space, but for now it's really the best choice for the job if you need a "smart clipboard".


This makes sense. I read a lot of pdfs and would love to do it electronically but I'm used to toting them around and being able to write on them. Is there any chance they come up with an electronic pen so I don't have to type notes?
 
2011-11-27 11:45:08 AM
JackieRabbiatchuDogg: JackieRabbit: My wife just put an app on her iPad that samples her handwriting by having her write on the screen with her finger or a stylus until it has learned her handwriting (about 10 sentences). THen she just write on the screen and the app transforms it flawlessly to text, which can be save in Yojimbo as text or PDF, sent as an email, etc. It's a very cool app. Especially for $4.99. She loves it and I see why. And that's only one of the amazing things iPad does. Until the other tablets can do such things cheaper than Apple, they'll never eat into iPad's market share.

/wife prefers the Kindle app for iPad over Apple reader.

Heh... That technology existed on tablets before ipad even existed as a concept.

Yeah, I know, I've seen it. But it didn't work worth a damn and you could do very little with the output. This app integrates seamlessly with any iPad app that handles text or PDF. Handwriting recognition software has been around for some time now, but it is just now being perfected for handheld devices.

Trying to compare earlier tables with iPad is like comparing a rotary phone to a cell phone. iPad reinvented the tablet and now everyone's trying to catch up.

I sure wish I was sitting on a big pile of Apple stock. Consumer Reports just did a survey: one of every five people will be giving an iPad as a Christmas gift this year.

When the iPad originally came out I would have agreed with you. Most tablets are on par with or have have surpassed the iPad at this point.

Also bear in mind not all tablets are trying too be all things to all people. The Kindle Fire for instance.
 
2011-11-27 12:31:13 PM
safeforwork:
//was actually pleasantly surprised when I got my first Mac and found most of the Linux tools I need there, even if they were a bit dated


Those would be standard Unix tools. An example of a specific linux tool would be yum. I'm just curious how standard Unix tools on OS X would be dated?
 
2011-11-27 01:27:08 PM

coco ebert: Mad_Radhu: coco ebert: Besides it being lighter, I'm not sure what an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard provides that a netbook or small laptop can't provide. In fact, you can't multitask with an iPad. Is it the apps that make it so special?

For business, the iPad isn't really a computer replacement so much as a clipboard replacement. Viewing PDFs or blueprints, reviewing documents and marking them up for editing, entering info into various forms, acting as a mobile point-of-sale system, etc. Basically it is great for the types of tasks where you are going to be walking around working with documents, as opposed to a laptop where you need to sit down somewhere and type in stuff. Sure, you can always get a convertible tablet but those are generally heavier and the Windows UI still just doesn't work that great with touchscreen compared to an iPad or Android tablet.

When light and thin ARM-based Win 8 tablets are available in a year or two, the iPad may have some major competition for that space, but for now it's really the best choice for the job if you need a "smart clipboard".

This makes sense. I read a lot of pdfs and would love to do it electronically but I'm used to toting them around and being able to write on them. Is there any chance they come up with an electronic pen so I don't have to type notes?


Check out a program called "Notability" in the Apple app store.
 
2011-11-27 03:14:52 PM

Kar98: Check out a program called "Notability" in the Apple app store.


That program is awesome. Thanks!
 
2011-11-27 06:48:23 PM
This just in! Water is still Wet!

/perpetuating a dying meme
//slashies ftw.
 
2011-11-27 07:35:13 PM

spammuncher: safeforwork:
//was actually pleasantly surprised when I got my first Mac and found most of the Linux tools I need there, even if they were a bit dated

Those would be standard Unix tools. An example of a specific linux tool would be yum. I'm just curious how standard Unix tools on OS X would be dated?


Well, yes... I worded that badly. I mean the tools I was used to using in Linux were there, though it was 'old' (eg, Unity shell, vi instead of full vim, etc). When I got my first Mac I had no idea it was UNIX-based and it was a pleasant surprise when stuff I used was there without doing anything, unlike on a windows computer.

All of that stuff is also on Android, which was what the derp was about. IIRC, the os on the iPad, etc do as well?
 
2011-11-27 09:03:48 PM

Arklop: I have no experience with other tablet makers, but if they compare anything like PC laptops, I'll buy Apple and nothing else.

I have owned several PC laptops in my lifetime...Compaq, HP, Dell, etc...and not one of them lasted longer than 2, maybe 2 1/2 years before some major hardware breakdown occurred (usually the power supply.)

In contrast, I have owned one MacBook Pro, purchased in August of 2006. I've dropped it, spilled water on it, broken small pieces off of the frame, even caused the power adapter cable to literally burn itself into a brown, charred, melted mess...and the computer is still running great (using it right now to type this.) It's the best computer I've ever owned, no contest.


Sounds like you dont know how to use a computer..
 
2011-11-28 04:11:57 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: CtrlAltDestroy: vegasj: thismomentinblackhistory: The iPad is insanely cheap, depending on why you are buying one.

Compared to most6 laptops, yup.

I love hearing people biatch about paying $500, $600 or even $700... then I remind them a laptop that might have more HD space would run over $1,000+

The hell are you talking about? It doesn't take a very expensive laptop to go over the 64gb that an ipad is capable of storing. Even a $400 laptop is more functional than an ipad and has a full OS and can install just about any software you want on it.

The only laptops that force you to pay over $1,000 are apple ones. If you really wanted the OS a hackintosh is still cheaper than the cheapest apple laptop.

Some people can't use laptops. See my reply to T.Rex. Yeah, I was kind of baiting the obvious Apple zombg crowd, but there is something to be said there.


Uhmm, yeah... considering you're the only one in this thread who would've natively known what an AAC device even was, without googling it, i'd say you were baiting. And there you go... You end up looking smug, anyway!
 
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