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2011-11-26 10:03:07 PM  
There is more than enough mac smugness and "PC" hatred of Apple fanboys to go around. Truth at this point is that over 90% of Fortune 500 companies are using or testing out using iPhones and iPads. Lowes bought over 40,000 iPhones for employees for tasks like inventory tracking and showing customers how to videos - the demise of Apple has long been predicted by folks who like to think they know a lot about "technology", yet Dell, Compaq, HP are the giant losers in the PC market for the foreseeable future. The fact that Apple maintains high profit ratios/ overprices obviously raises costs to buyers, but looking at iPod, iPhone and iPad sales it's also obvious plenty of buyers are willing to pay. That is a big reason iPhone sales account for two thirds of the total profits in mobile phone sales. The fact that these devices/ "iToys" are cross platform for the most part also means their use and sales are only going to increase as time goes on. Some of my friends have sold their Apple stock . . . i'll just keep watching it go up over the long haul, compared to the value of companies selling products for people who "know a lot about technology"

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2011-11-26 10:04:11 PM  

Kar98: There sure are a lot of unemployed people in this thread, unable to afford top class hardware from Apple.


Occupy Fark! Who's with me?!!!
 
2011-11-26 10:21:20 PM  
Ive tried the IPad and about 10 or so cheap Androids. Admittedly, the IPad beat those Androids. Yesterday, though, I got a brand new 4GLTE XOOM for 200.00. Once I remove the GPS and email apps from my phone, the data-plan willl balance out. So far, I haven't found ANYTHING about the XOOM that is inferior to the IPad. Especially for the relative price, I'm more than satisfied.
 
2011-11-26 10:23:10 PM  

CruJones: valkore: Digital Communist: It is only a matter of time before Android platforms put Apple out of business. Android has better technology and it has an open architecture philosophy.

Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology. In other words, unless you are trying to look cool at the local cafe, buy an android.

So in other words, Apple isn't going anywhere. Apple's premise that "it just works" is what appeals to people who feel like traditional PCs are over their head. Despite personal computer sales exploding since the mid-90's and nearly everyone having at least one in their home, the vast majority of computer users still don't know anything about technology. That's why places like Geek Squad are raking in the cash and why devices like tablets exist in the first place. A technologically savvy person would easily see that an ultraportable laptop does much more than a tablet.

I work at a large IT company, and most who don't run Linux love Apple stuff. When we give away iPads in contests everyone wants one.


Yeah, because just since someone knows technology doesn't mean they aren't susceptible to advertising that plays on emotions such as inadequacy and wanting acceptance by belonging to a group.

/only one in BOTH of my programming groups that primarily uses *nix (Debian)
//majority use Apple products
///the Ruby programming group CONSTANTLY has trouble with WiFi connectivity... over WEP!!!
 
2011-11-26 10:26:53 PM  

migueloncito: There is more than enough mac smugness and "PC" hatred of Apple fanboys to go around. Truth at this point is that over 90% of Fortune 500 companies are using or testing out using iPhones and iPads. Lowes bought over 40,000 iPhones for employees for tasks like inventory tracking and showing customers how to videos - the demise of Apple has long been predicted by folks who like to think they know a lot about "technology", yet Dell, Compaq, HP are the giant losers in the PC market for the foreseeable future. The fact that Apple maintains high profit ratios/ overprices obviously raises costs to buyers, but looking at iPod, iPhone and iPad sales it's also obvious plenty of buyers are willing to pay. That is a big reason iPhone sales account for two thirds of the total profits in mobile phone sales. The fact that these devices/ "iToys" are cross platform for the most part also means their use and sales are only going to increase as time goes on. Some of my friends have sold their Apple stock . . . i'll just keep watching it go up over the long haul, compared to the value of companies selling products for people who "know a lot about technology"

Link (new window)


Stupid people make purchases based on things they don't understand, glib emotions, and flippant spontaneous desires.

And you're not only enabling them but profiting from that.

... I actually don't know how to feel about the latter.
 
2011-11-26 10:35:40 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Englebert Slaptyback: TheDirtyNacho

I'm a heavy photoshop user (on my laptop), but in there I'm using a pen tablet. Wacom has made for years actual tablet devices that you can draw directly on the screen with, though they have been very expensive. There's really no reason to even have a mouse anymore.


Wacom's Bamboo tablets are very inexpensive. I wouldn't expect a graphics department to use them, but not all Wacom stuff is pricy.


I'm referring to things like the Cintiq - it is a generously sized tablet display that you can draw directly on. I don't know the price of them now, but they used to be a couple of thousand.


Still a couple of grand, and just going up. Just bought the 21UX (not the new HD model, but the 21 inch screen that preceded it) and though they list at places like Amazon and the manufacturer for 2,000, it's pretty hard to find one under 2,300 due to the fact that nearly every online retailer is chronically sold out. (Apple lists them at 2,500 iirc, and that's about where they start on CL ... used. Ugh.) There's something like a 2 month waitlist even if you purchase directly via Wacom.

I'm a pretty hardcore Cintiq user at this point, since I have the old model at work and the newer one at home, and I still prefer the mouse for everything that isn't drawing. It's quicker and much less cumbersome to manage artwork and references on two screens that way.
 
2011-11-26 10:48:36 PM  

scanman61: Igor Jakovsky: I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them. The Ipad2 on the other hand...

/typing this on said Touchpad

Another firesale buyer?

/typing from my $149 Touchpad.


yup, got one of the last 5 at hhgregg..16 gig
 
2011-11-26 11:19:52 PM  

thelordofcheese: migueloncito: There is more than enough mac smugness and "PC" hatred of Apple fanboys to go around. Truth at this point is that over 90% of Fortune 500 companies are using or testing out using iPhones and iPads. Lowes bought over 40,000 iPhones for employees for tasks like inventory tracking and showing customers how to videos - the demise of Apple has long been predicted by folks who like to think they know a lot about "technology", yet Dell, Compaq, HP are the giant losers in the PC market for the foreseeable future. The fact that Apple maintains high profit ratios/ overprices obviously raises costs to buyers, but looking at iPod, iPhone and iPad sales it's also obvious plenty of buyers are willing to pay. That is a big reason iPhone sales account for two thirds of the total profits in mobile phone sales. The fact that these devices/ "iToys" are cross platform for the most part also means their use and sales are only going to increase as time goes on. Some of my friends have sold their Apple stock . . . i'll just keep watching it go up over the long haul, compared to the value of companies selling products for people who "know a lot about technology"

Link (new window)

Stupid people make purchases based on things they don't understand, glib emotions, and flippant spontaneous desires.

And you're not only enabling them but profiting from that.

... I actually don't know how to feel about the latter.


Apple has a brilliant marketing department and a cult like following. They don't have to produce the best product. They are very good at telling the public they produce the best product and their flag bearers trumpet it. Whether they know the truth or not is debatable. I am amazed at how often I am told by an iPhone/iPad owner about something their iProduct does like it's the only device in the world that does it. It gets almost embarrassing how many times I say, "Yea mine does that too". I begin to feel like it's a contest of one-ups-manship. I don't care to have a contest of who's device is better. I would rather find out what cool things one device does over the other and figure out how to get the other to do them as well.

Frankly, the fact that there is no choice of hardware other than memory capacity was enough reason for me to look elsewhere. And the fact that without jailbreaking the phone you can't install 3rd party apps was a deal breaker. I'm too much of a tinkerer. And I want custom ROMs. And there are new Android handsets and tablets coming out every month, iPhone... once a year. Fark that, I'll have at least 3 different phones in a year. I can't put the icons where I want them on the home screen? Seriously? No widgets?

I by no means hate Apple or their line of products. But the iPhone 4s was a complete let down. No 4G, small screen, etc.
 
2011-11-26 11:34:01 PM  

b0rscht: Both Ric, and this meme, are getting old.
[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 160x200]


Hush, or he'll shame us into giving money to another damn charity.
 
2011-11-26 11:41:49 PM  

Digital Communist: The bottom line is this: Apple products are technology for people who don't know anything about technology.


Which is another way of saying that Apple knows how important creating easy to use user interfaces is. You couldn't sound more like a fan boy right now.

/j/k
//i have never owned an apple product
 
2011-11-26 11:56:44 PM  

stuffer: Callous:The app is called writepad and it's available on the android market for the same $4.99.

Why do iPhans always assume that anything cool is exclusive to iProducts?

I think a lot of people like the app store more than the android market, apple filtering out crap is a plus to them. They may trust apple with their credit card info more as well since they have proved themselves with the itunes store. I haven't seen anything on android that even makes me want to jailbreak my iphone, let alone not available on iphone even if you jailbreak.


Except... that's not what he said. He didn't say anything about preferring to buy the same app on the app store, he said the app was exclusive to Apple period. Going so far as to say that android products will always be inferior. As was pointed out, the app has little to do with the apple ipad and was developed by a third party developer, the technology itself was widely available before the Ipad even existed!

This pattern leads many to assume that most apple/iPad users have no real understanding of existing technology and assume everything comes straight from apple, since that is who they exclusively shopped from. We keep hearing about how these products are superior over all others, but not a single poster in this thread has really shown what can be done on an iPad that cannot be done on an equivalent android device. The few who have tried were easily refuted, so all we're really left with is vague, subjective opinions of "the web browsing wasn't really has good", "trouble scrolling" etc. Meanwhile numerous android users have listed multiple reasons they prefer their device over shortcomings with the iPad.

Sure if you compare a $200 device with a $700 device, the iPad is the clear winner. But that's another advantage of android devices is that you can mix and match features to buy a product that matches your price level.
 
2011-11-27 12:00:15 AM  

Callous:

I'm running the Motorola SJYN0767A. Go it at the VZW store.


Gracias!

I'll see if I can order it online.
 
2011-11-27 12:04:33 AM  

ParaHandy: don't buy a Kindle Fire until you know for sure it can be jailbroken


it was jailbroken the same day it was released

hax
 
2011-11-27 12:09:27 AM  
People are clamoring to use their iPhones and androids at work because corporate IT departments are backwards, forcing their employees to drag a second phone (blackberry) around with them everywhere so the can get their email and calendar behind 17 firewalls. The problem is, blackberry is dead, and very small amount of people are buying torch and playbook tablets in comparison to iOS and android devices.

IOS and android can do corporate email and calendar fine. In addition, they can do SO much more with their web browsing and app capabilities. Companies are now shifting towards a BYOD (bring your own device) environment where they support whatever device an employee already owns. This saves their department money, because they don't have to purchase every employee a phone, and makes their employees happier.

The next few years will see a huge surge in enterprise mobile apps, as many software firms port their desktop software to iOS and android. Companies like Apperian with their EASE platform facilitate this by providing corporate IT with customized, branded app stores to deliver apps and content securely to their employees. The future is about managing apps and content on employee devices without intruding on their personal information or locking their device down.
 
2011-11-27 12:13:38 AM  

Callous: I by no means hate Apple or their line of products. But the iPhone 4s was a complete let down. No 4G, small screen, etc.


my thoughts on the 4s-
4g-don't care, nowhere I am has it
small screen- ideal size for me-larger harder to fit in pocket/can't reach everywhere one handed easily.

Opposite of letdown for me, better camera and faster chip worth it alone. Once a year is more than often enough for me to upgrade, and when nothing changes I don't have to buy a new mount for my car or any other accessories.

In addition, I think siri is awesome and use it quite often. no matter what you're doing just lift the phone to your ear and your personal assistant is waiting for you. i know a bunch of android people who wish they had siri on their phone-they think it's more accurate and can do some useful things android's voice can't do, and like the personality and varied responses.

it's funny how 2 people see the same thing and come to totally different conclusions, but by saying "it was a complete letdown" makes you sound like a tool not knowing opinion from fact, whereas "I think it was a complete letdown" is the accurate way of stating that it is how YOU feel about it, acknowledging that others with different opinions exist.
 
2011-11-27 12:14:20 AM  
thelordofcheese Stupid people make purchases based on things they don't understand, glib emotions, and flippant spontaneous desires.

i think your observation is applicable to most decisions by consumer "zombies" in this economy, not at all limited to Apple, Porsche or Rolex purchases, but i suppose that is not surprising with stupidity at pandemic levels. It is why places like Public Storage (investigate, then consider investing in storage companies) are renting "garages" for consumers to pay for the privilege of keeping crap they do not need, but cannot bear to part with . . . emotions related to "things" and their cachet, the keeping up with, or outdoing, the Joneses is a great part of why so many folks are beyond their eyeballs in debt and homes overflowing with "stuff"


And you're not only enabling them but profiting from that.

... I actually don't know how to feel about the latter.


i'm not really sure i understand how I'm enabling them, unless you mean by investing in their stock, as for my taking a financial risk and profiting from it . . . i pay taxes on it, and as a retired school teacher the money to invest comes from not spending money for junk i don't need - not some trust fun. Many companies make a lot of their money gauging the level of consumer stupidity that is exploitable. Many of them, Apple included, derive much of their profits by using low cost labor working in deplorable conditions. Consumers, as much as investors, are responsible for this situation.
 
2011-11-27 12:36:26 AM  

ChuDogg: We keep hearing about how these products are superior over all others, but not a single poster in this thread has really shown what can be done on an iPad that cannot be done on an equivalent android device. The few who have tried were easily refuted.


My thoughts on that are that true, there may not be anything that can be done on an ipad that can't be done on android, but that's not the point or the reason apple has done so well or why people call their products "superior". other music players could do MORE than the ipod, but they got their ass kicked. other smartphones could do the same things as the iphone before it came out, but without the apple polish, those things were unused by the masses. apple has a way of making things accessible so normal people actually do the things it's capable of, not just tech geeks who flash their own roms and stuff who hang out here. That's why apple has done so well business wise. They broke down the undefinable barriers keeping people separated from their technology that many don't even realize exist. I bet a 2 year old can pick up an ipad and figure it out quicker than an android product, and I bet so even harder for old people.

While i'm sure you can shoot a hd video on an android, edit together and crop a few different clips, add a soundtrack and some effects then upload and share it, I can just about guarantee that a higher percentage of apple users actually do it than android ones, and that's the apple magic that lures so many in.
 
2011-11-27 12:46:54 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Computer mice are faster and easier for many things. You can move a mouse around in a 2x2 square on your mouse pad/desk and reach everywhere on the screen.


It's 2011, and you're still moving more than your thumb?


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sup

 
2011-11-27 12:55:03 AM  
as for Mr. Obvious grasping iPad popularity
trappedspirit pointed out something that should be obvious to anyone, whether tech savvy or technophobe Apple knows how important creating easy to use user interfaces is.

again, the tech know-how of most consumers is not close to that of folks, {of whom there are obviously many here at Fark}, who are at ease jailbreaking a phone, or studied Computer Science, or deal with technology as their profession or a serious hobby . . . if you want to sell tech stuff to more people, not less, you make it easier and faster to master . . .

and yes, it obviously works to stoke the illusion that these products make one, sexier, younger, hipper, etc. because that is what tends to sell/brainwash consumers that they have to own some gadget they may have very little use for . . . Apple is a prominent example of the power associated with a "brand" but to think branding isn't used in almost all marketing is naive. . .

an eye opening book, especially for those who think they are immune to advertising, is Brandwashing by Martin Lindstrom - Apple is fairly overt in their use of this strategy, but many companies succeed or try to succeed using similar routes.
 
2011-11-27 12:56:32 AM  
Callous: And there are new Android handsets and tablets coming out every month

You act like that's a good thing. It isn't for most consumers. Most people don't want to drop a bundle on a tablet only to see the next big thing a month or two later.

---

This thread is just another Fark Apple vs. something circle jerk.
 
2011-11-27 01:11:24 AM  
oh yay, this thread AGAIN!!!
 
2011-11-27 01:19:58 AM  

stuffer: Callous: I by no means hate Apple or their line of products. But the iPhone 4s was a complete let down. No 4G, small screen, etc.

my thoughts on the 4s-
4g-don't care, nowhere I am has it
small screen- ideal size for me-larger harder to fit in pocket/can't reach everywhere one handed easily.

Opposite of letdown for me, better camera and faster chip worth it alone. Once a year is more than often enough for me to upgrade, and when nothing changes I don't have to buy a new mount for my car or any other accessories.

In addition, I think siri is awesome and use it quite often. no matter what you're doing just lift the phone to your ear and your personal assistant is waiting for you. i know a bunch of android people who wish they had siri on their phone-they think it's more accurate and can do some useful things android's voice can't do, and like the personality and varied responses.

it's funny how 2 people see the same thing and come to totally different conclusions, but by saying "it was a complete letdown" makes you sound like a tool not knowing opinion from fact, whereas "I think it was a complete letdown" is the accurate way of stating that it is how YOU feel about it, acknowledging that others with different opinions exist.


Sure if slower and smaller is what you prefer that's fine. But when buying something new that is at least equal to products that have already been out for months.

Yea Siri is great, no dispute. Having one superior feature while have many inferior ones, or lacking them completely, will not impress most people. And splitting hairs about how I phrased my opinion about it to call me a tool makes you look like a fanboi.
 
2011-11-27 01:22:14 AM  

Callous:

Sure if slower and smaller is what you prefer that's fine. But when buying something new that is at least equal to products that have already been out for months.


Wow that sentence got cludged.

But when buying something new most people want something that is at least equal to products that have already been out for months.
 
2011-11-27 01:26:36 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Callous: And there are new Android handsets and tablets coming out every month

You act like that's a good thing. It isn't for most consumers. Most people don't want to drop a bundle on a tablet only to see the next big thing a month or two later.

---

This thread is just another Fark Apple vs. something circle jerk.


It is a good thing. They're called choices. Having a selection of hardware to choose from is superior to "You will buy this and like it even if it isn't as good as cheaper products that have been out for months".
 
2011-11-27 01:44:04 AM  

stuffer: ChuDogg: We keep hearing about how these products are superior over all others, but not a single poster in this thread has really shown what can be done on an iPad that cannot be done on an equivalent android device. The few who have tried were easily refuted.

My thoughts on that are that true, there may not be anything that can be done on an ipad that can't be done on android, but that's not the point or the reason apple has done so well or why people call their products "superior". other music players could do MORE than the ipod, but they got their ass kicked. other smartphones could do the same things as the iphone before it came out, but without the apple polish, those things were unused by the masses. apple has a way of making things accessible so normal people actually do the things it's capable of, not just tech geeks who flash their own roms and stuff who hang out here. That's why apple has done so well business wise. They broke down the undefinable barriers keeping people separated from their technology that many don't even realize exist. I bet a 2 year old can pick up an ipad and figure it out quicker than an android product, and I bet so even harder for old people.

While i'm sure you can shoot a hd video on an android, edit together and crop a few different clips, add a soundtrack and some effects then upload and share it, I can just about guarantee that a higher percentage of apple users actually do it than android ones, and that's the apple magic that lures so many in.


As was already shown, most of these apps are made by third party developers, who release them on the android market as well.

This is another reoccurring theme we keep seeing from apple users: highlighting how successful the company is doing. Unless you're posting in the business tab, I really don't see how profitable or popular the company making my products is. In fact, I would probably prefer it be less profitable as it shows they're not taking advantage of their customers through excessive mark ups. And I have yet to find a great app for the iPad/iPhone that sells for 4.99 that typically doesn't have a free competitor for the android. Apple doesn't like free stuff so when you use the app store the UI is almost designed to hide the fact that there is actually free stuff. With android getting free apps is commonplace, so the popularity of iPad hasn't really affected usage of the droids at all. And I say that as someone that uses both an iPad and droids, hopefully my next item will be the galaxy if I get around to it as it really blows everything from iPad out of the water. And I don't like being restricted by the iPad, the lack of external features is a major pain in my line of work. And I'm not really a techie either, I work in sales/marketing for a brokerage firm. Most of this stuff is really just common sense, I don't some corporate father figure to tell me what I should and should not be doing with my stuff.

So by all means, cheer lead the marketing team of Apple for "presenting technology" that's commonly available elsewhere. It really doesn't benefit you as a consumer though.
 
2011-11-27 02:03:50 AM  
Have to go to bed, so can't read all the posts. CSS time though.

Over thanksgiving with my family, my Apple Fanboi BIL said something about ipad best e-reader only $500 blah blah blah, and since I was in the middle of cooking all I said was well I dunno, I know some people who really like their Kindles. He proceeded to try and start a loyalty war for the next couple of minutes.

Finally I was like dude, I'm just commenting, I really don't care either way. Now shut up while I go finish making YOUR dinner.

Gorram fan boys. The man is older than I am but you'd think he was a 16 yo hyped up on Mt. Dew when it comes to the latest Apple toy.
 
2011-11-27 02:10:23 AM  
Oooh, it's the bi-weekly circle-jerk of brainwashed iHaters! Is it fun parroting the same misinformation over and over again?
 
2011-11-27 02:10:55 AM  
Oh right, and my BIL went so far as to point out disparage that Amazon is selling Kindles at a loss and planning to make up the difference in downloads/addons, versus Apple making like $150 off every ipad. Basically he was wanking off Apple verbally to the entire family.

When I pointed out that all the console/game makers do the same thing Amazon is doing every time they release a system, he didn't really have a response. It was... interesting.
 
2011-11-27 02:23:45 AM  

stuffer: While i'm sure you can shoot a hd video on an android, edit together and crop a few different clips, add a soundtrack and some effects then upload and share it, I can just about guarantee that a higher percentage of apple users actually do it than android ones, and that's the apple magic that lures so many in.


Oh, and I'm pretty sure this characterization was way off base. Most other iPad I've met users don't really know anything other than Angry Birds, Email, and youtube. While most of my friends and associates with droids (especially the galaxy) are always tinkering, hacking away, and doing amazing stuff with them.
 
2011-11-27 02:44:33 AM  

CruJones: I can read a book, watch a movie, then tuck it in the seat pocket in front of me.


I'd be more careful if I were you...

http://consumerist.com/2011/04/airline-employees-really-dont-care-tha t -you-left-your-ipad-on-the-plane.html

http://consumerist.com/2011/11/us-airways-response-to-my-lost-ipad-yo u re-not-going-to-get-it-back.html
 
2011-11-27 02:53:41 AM  

ChuDogg:
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this characterization was way off base. Most other iPad I've met users don't really know anything other than Angry Birds, Email, and youtube. While most of my friends and associates with droids (especially the galaxy) are always tinkering, hacking away, and doing amazing stuff with them.

what sort of amazing stuff are you talking about? and any of it not possible with jailbroken istuff?
 
2011-11-27 02:57:36 AM  
So this weekend I got two transformer tabs for $500 (black Friday deal). My only previous tab experience was with an iPad (first generation, to be fair). This is WAY better in every way than the iPad. Sleeker, faster, easier to use, card reader, hdmi... Just, really nice all around. The only real downfall I've found so far are the gorilla glass seems to like taking fingerprints and it's ever so slightly heavier. Oh, and slightly less battery life, though I am on hour 12 of constant use and still over 40% battery. I would have felt it was worth *one* for this price. I can't even understand wanting an iPad over this, other than being able to say I have an iPad.

Oh - and the next transformer tab is due (or has come - haven't checked lately) out soon and are um... Quite a bit more powerful.

Just sayin'...

/typing from my Asus transformer tab, getting a kick, etc
 
2011-11-27 03:13:08 AM  

T.rex: thismomentinblackhistory: The iPad is insanely cheap, depending on why you are buying one.

$500 to act smug? I can do that for free.


My school district has been purchasing them as viable alternatives to AAC devices that typically run in the thousands. It's saved us a boatload of cash and the students do better with them. It is revolutionizing many types of educational based therapy before our eyes. Meanwhile, the creators of Dynavox are still dry-humping their patents from the 70s.

I'm sure it's cool for Angry Birds, too, but it is changing lives when it comes to kiddos that can't otherwise communicate.

The thousands of dollars required for a Dynavox or similar system is nothing compared to the iPriceTag.
 
2011-11-27 03:13:10 AM  

stuffer: ChuDogg:
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this characterization was way off base. Most other iPad I've met users don't really know anything other than Angry Birds, Email, and youtube. While most of my friends and associates with droids (especially the galaxy) are always tinkering, hacking away, and doing amazing stuff with them.
what sort of amazing stuff are you talking about? and any of it not possible with jailbroken istuff?


Things like writing custom ROMs.
 
2011-11-27 03:14:59 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: vegasj: thismomentinblackhistory: The iPad is insanely cheap, depending on why you are buying one.

Compared to most6 laptops, yup.

I love hearing people biatch about paying $500, $600 or even $700... then I remind them a laptop that might have more HD space would run over $1,000+

The hell are you talking about? It doesn't take a very expensive laptop to go over the 64gb that an ipad is capable of storing. Even a $400 laptop is more functional than an ipad and has a full OS and can install just about any software you want on it.

The only laptops that force you to pay over $1,000 are apple ones. If you really wanted the OS a hackintosh is still cheaper than the cheapest apple laptop.


Some people can't use laptops. See my reply to T.Rex. Yeah, I was kind of baiting the obvious Apple zombg crowd, but there is something to be said there.
 
2011-11-27 03:19:40 AM  

largedon: Shadowknight: Rootus: Shadowknight: I'm posting this on my Toshiba Thrive while editing photos from my SLR camera memory stick inserted in the convenient SD card slot and typing on a standard USB keyboard, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

Seriously, the iPad can suck it. I got everything I need right here, twice the features for a cheaper price.

Fancy SLR you got there which takes an SD card. LOL

I just got it last week, just now getting it to upgrade from the old point and clicks. It's a starter, not a professional camera by any means. Just a way to get me used going in the direction of actual photagraphy.

How are you liking the Toshiba Thrive. Want to get my wife a tablet for Christmas and was settling on the Thrive. All she really uses it for is multimedia with a little bit of productivity tossed in. The Thrive looks like one of the best I've seen with the large SD card slot and all the USB connects. Plus Android is a huge plus for me.


Its quite excellent. About my only complaints are Android oriented, as in the spellcheck/autocorrect sucks and that Skype has yet to put out an Android app that uses the camera and allows for video calls. Otherwise, the thing has been great.
 
2011-11-27 03:26:12 AM  

Rootus: Shadowknight: I just got it last week, just now getting it to upgrade from the old point and clicks. It's a starter, not a professional camera by any means. Just a way to get me used going in the direction of actual photagraphy.

Once you're hooked on SLR, you'll never want to go back. Point and shoot cameras are convenient, but so very slow, and even the best compact has a fairly weak sensor compared to a decent SLR. The old adage to buy the best lens you can afford and the cheapest body you can stand is pretty good advice. The lens holds value pretty well and the body depreciates very fast.


My wife surprised my with the Cannon Rebel t3i body, basic lens, and a 300mm telescopic lens. I went out and got a glare cover and a set of filters, and have been tying with this cheap photo editing software that came with my camera on my laptop and some cheaper program I downloaded off the Android market on my tablet. Its no Photoshop, but works surprisingly well.

I figure if I get the basics down well enough and it develops (get it?!) into a hobby, I'll upgrade further. But for now, its more than enough.
 
2011-11-27 03:27:00 AM  

b0rscht: Both Ric, and this meme, are getting old.
[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 160x200]


Blasphemy! Ric is my hero and role model.
 
2011-11-27 03:28:09 AM  

Callous:
Things like writing custom ROMs.


so what does a custom ROM let you do that you can't do on a JB ipad?
 
2011-11-27 04:51:17 AM  

Raithun: CtrlAltDestroy: Computer mice are faster and easier for many things. You can move a mouse around in a 2x2 square on your mouse pad/desk and reach everywhere on the screen.

It's 2011, and you're still moving more than your thumb?

[img231.imageshack.us image 300x300]
sup


www.microsoft.com

You're doing it wrong.
 
2011-11-27 07:39:25 AM  

b0rscht: Both Ric, and this meme, are getting old.
[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 160x200]


Not to me......until this story, I thought Ric was strictly a made-up character. Like Ron Obvious.

/personal favorite
 
2011-11-27 08:14:02 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Callous: And there are new Android handsets and tablets coming out every month

You act like that's a good thing. It isn't for most consumers. Most people don't want to drop a bundle on a tablet only to see the next big thing a month or two later.

---

This thread is just another Fark Apple vs. something circle jerk.


Heh heh,
It sounds like youre saying, "I dont want to buy a product where theres a fancier versiom coming out every 3 months, where I get UPSTAGED at the coffee shop. With an iPad I can look cool for at least a year!"

The ipad and ipods probably are just better devices in terms of the feel of the interface. I think that may be true when I compare the ipod touchto my droid phone. But ot isnt enough of a difference to get me to buy one. What Ill probably get is a 7" android tablet because the ipad is too damn big and the touch is too small. And I need the sd slot. And I may root it. Thats what product diversity gets you.
 
2011-11-27 08:34:51 AM  

Arklop: RentalMetard: I guess it's a better buy if you regularly beat the sh*t out of your laptop. I have a Dell and an HP that are both over five years old at this point, pretty heavily used, and they both work fine. And both of them combined ran up a price tag of a little over half of what a Macbook Pro costs.

The important point here is that I didn't beat up the PC laptops (I don't recall ever dropping one, or spilling water on one until the Mac), yet they still failed in less than half the current lifespan of my MacBook. And I'm not saying all PC laptops fail in less than 3 years. I'm saying all PC laptops I've owned have failed within 3 years. Maybe all the ones I had were just cheaply-made, overpriced junk.*shrug*


I agree with RentalMetard. If your killing an off the shelf laptop in 3 years your doing something wrong.
My cheap Dell has put up with 6 years worth of being carried around the farm. I've left it sit in the truck for days in every season subjecting it to extreme heat and cold. I've used it in the greenhouse in high humidity. It spent countless hours riding around in the tractor being used for GPS mapping and MP3 player and I bought it used. The only thing I've ever replaced was the battery.

I own 1 apple device now, a used 30 gig Ipod. For 50 bucks I couldn't pass it up. Would I buy one new? NEVER. They are way overpriced for what you get, and used stuff is way overpriced due to the fact that apple owners usually think that used stuff is worth 75% of new.
 
2011-11-27 08:48:52 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy:
That's kinda the point. People like to praise the ipad as some magical do-all device. People like vegasj. They're not. They're good for looking at pictures and files. They fall short in almost ever other respect. Phrases like,

"Other than any CAD type of program what can't you to on the iPad you can on a laptop?"

are absolutely idiotic.


The thing about the iPad and indeed any ARM based tablet is... they can be quite useful for a business. But they are absolutley not a replacement for a laptop/desktop machine. Which seems to be where the confusion sets in and you run in to the American mentality of "If you're not X then you're Y" problem.

The iPad can be very useful in certain areas of a business. More so than a laptop is to that area of a business. But it is not a replacement for everyones laptop/desktop.

Field service & Sales being the two departments that spring to mind.

Anybody writing it off as having zero use to a business is as idiotic as someone claiming it can replace your average workstation.
 
2011-11-27 09:38:19 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: scanman61: Igor Jakovsky: I had the opportunity to play with an Ipad1 and an Acer Iconia last weekend at a friends house. I actually thought my tweaked HP Touchpad out performed both of them. The Ipad2 on the other hand...

/typing this on said Touchpad

Another firesale buyer?

/typing from my $149 Touchpad.

yup, got one of the last 5 at hhgregg..16 gig


I got two 32 GB Touchpads, one for me and one for my wife. Now I wish I had bought a 16 GB for my 9 year old while I was at it. Great tablets for twice the price...but not 4 times the price.
 
2011-11-27 10:05:52 AM  

Callous: stuffer: ChuDogg:
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this characterization was way off base. Most other iPad I've met users don't really know anything other than Angry Birds, Email, and youtube. While most of my friends and associates with droids (especially the galaxy) are always tinkering, hacking away, and doing amazing stuff with them.
what sort of amazing stuff are you talking about? and any of it not possible with jailbroken istuff?

Things like writing custom ROMs.


Oooooh, that's AMAAAAZING.

/got a custom ROM on my iPhone.
// still got the warranty on my iPad 2
 
2011-11-27 10:16:10 AM  

stuffer: Callous:
Things like writing custom ROMs.

so what does a custom ROM let you do that you can't do on a JB ipad?


You can completely rewrite the operating system anyway you want.
 
2011-11-27 10:25:36 AM  

Kar98: Callous: stuffer: ChuDogg:
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this characterization was way off base. Most other iPad I've met users don't really know anything other than Angry Birds, Email, and youtube. While most of my friends and associates with droids (especially the galaxy) are always tinkering, hacking away, and doing amazing stuff with them.
what sort of amazing stuff are you talking about? and any of it not possible with jailbroken istuff?

Things like writing custom ROMs.

Oooooh, that's AMAAAAZING.

/got a custom ROM on my iPhone.
// still got the warranty on my iPad 2


Care to explain how you did it? Or a link to instructions on how to do it.
 
2011-11-27 10:26:35 AM  

ChuDogg: JackieRabbit: My wife just put an app on her iPad that samples her handwriting by having her write on the screen with her finger or a stylus until it has learned her handwriting (about 10 sentences). THen she just write on the screen and the app transforms it flawlessly to text, which can be save in Yojimbo as text or PDF, sent as an email, etc. It's a very cool app. Especially for $4.99. She loves it and I see why. And that's only one of the amazing things iPad does. Until the other tablets can do such things cheaper than Apple, they'll never eat into iPad's market share.

/wife prefers the Kindle app for iPad over Apple reader.

Heh... That technology existed on tablets before ipad even existed as a concept.


Yeah, I know, I've seen it. But it didn't work worth a damn and you could do very little with the output. This app integrates seamlessly with any iPad app that handles text or PDF. Handwriting recognition software has been around for some time now, but it is just now being perfected for handheld devices.

Trying to compare earlier tables with iPad is like comparing a rotary phone to a cell phone. iPad reinvented the tablet and now everyone's trying to catch up.

I sure wish I was sitting on a big pile of Apple stock. Consumer Reports just did a survey: one of every five people will be giving an iPad as a Christmas gift this year.
 
2011-11-27 10:26:37 AM  
Love my iPod Touches, but I early gifted myself with a pre-order for the KFire. Fantastic choice.

It shouldn't be compared to an iPad. It's more in line with the 3rd generation of the iPod Touch. It doesn't have a camera (didn't want another one. So the big diff? Can't figure what it would be. I can skype/facetime from my laptops or 4th gen iPod touch. I can hold it in one hand. The screen is fine for movies/TV - and even hockey.

The wife thought it was a bit too big, thick and heavy for her liking (and yes, her liking smaller, thinner and lighter things could explain why she sleeps with me), so she'll stick with her iPod.

/Those complaining that a 7 inch screen is too small are the same ones who are perfectly happy doing stuff on their smart phones.
//Only went with the KF because I already have Prime
 
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